I don't understand why mongolians dislike chinese...we're basically the same people by blood...My relatives were manchurians and my dad was a descendant of khan and so are a lot of other chinese people, so then why do mongolians think chinese are so different from them?

I'm pretty sure stealing half of someone's country is not going to make you well-liked.

As if anyone cares

1. Mongolians and Chinese aren't the same by blood. Are you and SE Asians the same by blood? Sure, but you don't seek solidarity with them do you?
2. Stealing half of someone's land ring a bell? How did Chinese feel about the Mongols in the Yuan dynasty, the Manchus during the Qing?
3. yhellothar, quit with this $hit, it's embarrassing.

would mongolians rather have white people take their land or east asians? What is the chinese government doing to mongolians? Are they making them slaves?

If you consider Russians white, then they'd rather have whites take their land.



Yup. Maybe educate yourself why Mongolians hate Chinese before you are all in this East Asian unity thing, because Mongolians aren't East Asian, they're North Asian. Chinese descended around the areas of central China and southeast Asia, worlds away from where Mongolians descended from, Northern Asia.

Do yourself a favor and read:
http://www.innermongolia.org/english/Altan...050th%20ann.htm

Tibetans hate Chinese, Uyghurs hate Chinese, Mongols hate Chinese, Koreans hate Chinese, Japanese hate Chinese, and Vietnamese and Filipinos are beginning to hate Chinese. Maybe you don't sense a pattern, and it's not all on "OMG WESTERN MEDIA AGAINST CHINA SUXORZZ" like you think yhellothar.

it depends on what region. Souther chinese are a lot different from northern chinese. You can't group all chinese people as one ethnic group....china has the most diversity of any east asian country. From what you say I hope none of my korean, japanese, and viet friends don't hate me just bc i am chinese....i have a joke with one of my korean friends that we were seperated at birth bc we look so much alike....I don't see why people have to focus so much on differences and not similiarities.

Is anyone here even mongolian?

Chinese are all Chinese to us.

See this girl? She seems to think there's a clear difference between light skinned blacks and dark skinned blacks. But to us, they're all black:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgUIInzDMQ

Same with Chinese. Chinese is Chinese is Chinese.



thehorsemen and some others. They're not fond of Chinese at all.

then ughyrs, siberians, muslims, etc... are all chinese from what YOU said obviously there is a difference between light skinned blacks and dark skinned blacks. Can you compare someone like Nicole Richie to wesley snipes? No, bc society treats them differently based on how they look. The same with chinese. anti-chinese always use southern chinese as an example for the whole of china but they don't realize who big china is and how much diversity there is. It's not like in mongolia, japan, or korea where EVERYBODY looks the same. China is a mixed bag and other ethnicities live there with more tolerance than any western country has ever had in the past. Even during WW2 jews took asylum in shanghai. Muslims also live peacefully in china without being persecuted or treated like "terrorists", it's mogolia's and tibet's own fault that they never established an advanced civilization and are poor.

I really don't think you should be speaking on behalf of mongolians when you are not one...

They are Chinese by nationality, much like I am American by nationality only. The "Chinese" we refer to is Han. It is ethical to protest along with them to support their resistance to assimilation and their resistance to be forced to extinction by the Han majority.



Nicole Richie is multiracial. light skinned vs dark skinned black would be Denzel Washington vs. Don Cheadle. They are still black to people.



If anything, northern Chinese are the most racist.



Much like how British and whites colonized Asia for being a lot weaker in the past and took advantage of their poverty?


Actually it's you who want to speak on behalf of mongolians and question their right for sovereignty. I only show support for their people.

There's no denying that leaders of china in the past have done terrible things (my grandparents witnessed this first hant) but chinese are pragmatic people and they don't cling to the past. They are more interested in securing the future and making life better. The china you see today is NOT the china of the past and all these horrible things that happened to mongolians happened many years ago.

Westerners seek spiritual enlightenment and romanticize Tibetan and mongolian poverty. China has become capitalist, which plenty find offensive: China-bashing is the new anti-capitalism. Inexpensive Chinese exports, which keep prices down for U.S. consumers, are strangely seen as harmful. And there must be some element of traditional racism in this too.

If only they knew that...



Both of Vanessa William's parents are both half white and half black. A person is black if his parents and his grandparents are black, as the standard rule of thumb. Same goes for ethnicities.



The racism goes both ways. You see many "Han" nationalists here that hate other asians just as well, china_waffenSS, LTY, dtl88, MyEmpire, and his Cantonese buddy as well. You said before that Chinese are mixed, especially Southern Chinese, but MyEmpire's and his Cantonese buddy fail to see and acknowledge that so they take the piss on other ethnicities. You never see so much hatred that MyEmpire and his Cantonese friend would make so many accounts just to bash Japanese, Koreans, ethnic Taiwanese with aboriginal blood, and Vietnamese and Southeast Asians. You don't see much of other ethnics making random accounts just to do it to Chinese, do you?



The point is that Mongolians do not like Communism and living under a corrupt government and country that discriminates and tries to 'ethnically cleanse' them. I think for Mongolians, their best interest is for independence and sovereignty.



I never bashed people. Also, I am Hmong from Hubei, I know what racism from Han Chinese is, and they show it to anyone who isn't Han and who isn't white. I've dealt with racism from fellow Han Chinese first hand, so please don't talk as if Chinese is high and mighty about accepting other races.

I am against this racism and totalitarianism from an expansionist, racist regime from Chinese and their government. I hope for the freedom of Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia, and Taiwan. I know you never experienced any discrimination and hatred from fellow Han Chinese, but please understand the situation from a minority point of view. I can compare it to living in America, whites deny much racism towards asians, but we all know better.

You people should really stop spreading the sinophobia. I'm pretty sure most people of Mongol descent living in Inner or Outer Mongolia do not actually have the same level of hatred of Chinese people as a lot of you here seem to express so frequently and unnessesarily. The Russians' colonization of the territory around the vicinity of Lake Baikal and "Northern Mongolia" isn't as justify nor as fair as far European imperialism is to be concern. The Chinese and "Manchurians" have been inhabiting Inner Mongolia for a very long time since like the Khitan, Jurchen, and Yuan's dynasty, hence a majority presence of them there today. The Russians on the other hand came as cossacks and hostile invaders in the "Age of Discovery" to devastate and plunder everything to the ground and in the process of their warmonger conquering/expansionism, a lot of Mongols and other indiginous inhabitants have been killed ruthlessly in the same manner as Native Americans have been hunted down. By the way, ethics East Asian and North Asian is basically the same considering the fact that they share a common origin somewhere around southern Siberia and geopolitically, North Asia only comprise the Russian's Siberia and Far East so Mongolia is more East Asian like China, Japan, and Korea. They even share the same latitude.... Honestly, what exactly is the major physiognomical difference between Mongolians and Chinese, Koreans, and the Japanese? Not much, and like that light skin African girl who is deemed black. European societies and White America in general also deemed Mongolians to be "Chinese" as well in an informal/colloquial setting. =p

There is no sinophobia spreading. I never outright said "You gotta fear the Chinese!" I stated facts. I'm also sure the people of Tibet and Xinjiang love to be under Chinese rule.



No they don't. Mongolians share common origin with Tungus from Northern Asia (Derision of C3), Chinese race came from Central O3, which came from Central China and Southeastern Asia. Do you consider people in Malaysia to be the same as you? Then Mongolians do not. Do you think Han Chinese look like this? Have you even seen Han that look like this?













How do you feel about Southeast Asians and their relation to Chinese? Too different? Not like Korea, Mongolia, and Japan, right? In fact, various studies by Korean, Japanese, and Taiwanese scientists place Chinese the closest to Southeastern Asians genetically, and farther away from Tungus, however, you still treat Miao and other Southeast Asians like $hit.

there are some hardcore han supremacists but that is the minority. Most of us here value unity between ALL asians and want peace. I for one have nothing against other asians but you seem to think that china is the evil one when korea and japan also view s.e. asians as inferior. I am not full Han chinese, I'm also manchurian/mongolian. A lot of my relatives have similar features to the people you posted (i've even seen some s.e. asians who look like that). Like I said, china is a melting pot. Like I said, there's a difference in genetics between north and south chinese. I have never treated any miao like $hit, you are generalizing for what the government has done in the past and applying it to ALL chinese. If you were to walk on the street I'd think you were just another regular chinese person. Stop acting like the victim - you're no better or worse than us.

haha you want taiwan to have soveriegnty? it's like saying manhatten should be their own country! That's the most rediculous thing i've ever heard considering most taiwanese are the "han" people who you seem to hate.

how about instead of talking about the tiny differences we asians all have, you focus on the broader similarities and start trying to unify instead of conflicting with other asian races. I am chinese and I probably like white people least of all. They love seperating china from the rest of the world so everyone attacks us. That is just what they want: for east asians to fight amongst each other instead of improving our countries. They want the western hemisphere to stay on top so they make up stupid conflicts.

I don't care about Korea and Japan, much like I do not care about France and Germany. They aren't the growing threat that China is. I do wish that Japan and Korea will be able to keep their distinct civilzations, lest it be a shame if China came to absorb them through unethical means.



Ask Han Chinese if they think they look like that. Ask myempire if he thinks Chinese look like that. They don't. Also, I've seen some Han Chinese that looked Filipino, but ask them if they think they look Filipino. They don't.



No, I've lived in the US mainly but my parents all were treated like $hit from the Han majority based on their accounts. I've even experienced discrimination from Chinese here, although many times they have no idea who Miao are so they are indifferent.



I think they have a right to live off as a sovereign country, free from Communism. Majority of the ethnic Taiwanese are not even pure, with aboriginal blood. If they do not consider themselves Chinese and be discriminated for not being pure enough, then they shouldn't.



Tell the Han Chinese that. The point is though, why promote China's totalitarianism and expansionism along with racism if it's only in the Han's best interest? I may as well just root for Western expansionism, at least they comply with pollution standards and human rights laws.

Tibet and Xinjiang may not love being under Chinese but you cannot deny what Chinese rule have had a positive effect on their formerly feudal and primitive society. China have drastically modernized these areas and increased the life expectancy and quality of life for these people. Are you sugessting that the Uyghurs and Tibetans are better off living in a theocracy where slavery are praticed and people generally don't live past the age of 40? Chinese's rule is for the better and it is justified because these "tribes" and their rulers submitted their suzerainty and dependency to China Qing's dynasty and thus as a successor state, the PRC and/or the ROC have sovereignty over these regions unless they want to revolt and gain their own independence in which all their attempts have ended in failure.

Speaking of which, you made the point "that Mongolians do not like Communism and living under a corrupt government and country that discriminates and tries to 'ethnically cleanse' them. I think for Mongolians, their best interest is for independence and sovereignty." If the Chinese government discriminates the Mongols people so much then why does all street signs in Inner Mongolia must be bilingual with Mongolian and Chinese? Or why does Inner Mongolia uses the traditional Mongolian alphabet while the Outer Mongolians (deemed the actual Mongols by some) do not? If the terribly evil Chinese government wants to ethically clean the Mongols and destroy their precious culture, why doesn't the one child policy apply to them or any genocide against the Mongol's people have ever occcured in Chinese history (with the exception of the Oirats during Kangxi's era)? I concede that there are discriminations of Mongolians within the Chinese majority but not to the point of institutionalization. These unfortunate incidences are merely minor infractions that do not represent nor demonstrate the true nature of Sino-Mongolian's bilateral relation. In fact, Mongols from Inner Mongolia are much more better off economically than their Outer counterpart, they tends to have higher life expectancy, received a better education, and is not a nomad wandering the endless steppe. If anything, the Chinese government have moderately tried to preserved Mongolian's traditional culture through "taken for granted" means such as the utilizing the "Old Mongolian Script" instead of the retardly ugly cyrillic or Latin ones and the also the maintanance of Inner Mongol's historical relics such as ancient monuments and Buddhist's sites. The actual Mongolian's government on the other hand have neglected the traditional script since Genghis Khan's times to the point of non existent over the many many decades, leaving their holy temples unkempt or worst in ruins, and have made little incentive to protect or refurnish historical places. The Mongolian's government is just as corrupt and perhaps even more disorganized than their Chinese counterpart as evidence in the fact that Inner Mongolia is better off economically and population wise than Outer Mongolia. The Mongols people as a whole do have their own nation, and thus independence and sovereignty but why are there twice as many Mongols residing in China rather than the actual Mongolian's state? I think the answer would be obvious: because Outer Mongolia sucks harcore, many Chinese Mongols wouldn't leave Inner Mongolia or China as a whole to move back to that desolated wasteland. If what you are saying about China is true then I guess these Mongols prefered the economy and lifestyle of being Chinese citizens that they would rather endure the opression and tyranny of "Communism". But then again, Mongolia was a Soviet satillite for a long period in the past with a kremlin style of government under the Russian's ubiquitous influence. Don't be like that pot that called the kettle black.

Besides from the clothes, the people in your pictures look pretty much what Northern Chinese, and Koreans/Japanese would normally look like, nothing special nor disguishable. If they look much different then that would be weird because it's like saying the Swedish, Norwegians, and Dannish are different in appearance than the English, Celtics, and Germans. Where exactly is Central China? Isn't that pretty close to Inner Mongolia and Ulaanbator? Xi'an and Beijing (being capitals and heartlands of China for most of the important times) are not that far from Mongolian's territories... And the Khitans, Jurchens, Yuans, Turks and Manchus have occupied Northern China for plenty of lengthy ocassions and historical dynastic periods, and we all know well that they assimilate without any real obstacle so... you do the science and math. I find it funny that you said Mongols share a common origin with the Tungus which is basically like the Manchurians and the Manchus and their offshoots have generally been assimilated into mainstream Chinese society and that to mention that there was a Mongolian and Manchurian led dynasty in Chinese history considered to be pivotal periods to many. The Chinese is not one monotonous race due to its vast population/territory and a lengthy history of migration/mixing with other groups of people not indigenous to "China" so only one racial classication cannot be applicable. And how could it be that the Chinese are genetically closest to Southeast Asians when the Central Kingdom's ancestral home is all the way at Shaanxi which is the core provinces of northern China? Shaanxi is considered one of the cradles of Chinese civilization. Thirteen feudal dynasties established their capitals in the province during a span of more than 1,100 years, from the Zhou Dynasty to the Tang Dynasty. Interestingly enough, Shaanxi bordered Inner Mongolia.

The Malays are not related to the Chinese because they look too much different. Just look at any Cambodians and Indonesians then you can automically tell, it's that obvious and it is not only just the outward appearance that matter but it's their culture too as well. As demonstrated by the Vietnamese people, having been greatly sinicized and was once Chinese's territory for more than 1000 years are not at all different to the Chinese/Koreans/Japanese culturally or physically. Mongolia has strong Tibetan and Chinese cultural influence both in their tradition and legacy.

Tawainese do considered themselves to be Chinese, hence the Republic of China. If anything, they even considered themselves to be more Chinese than the mainland because they tend to uphold trational Chinese values such as Confucianism and sinographic callligraphic better, free from the twists and turns of Communist's reforms. Taiwanese do want to be an independent country only because their actual heartland in the mainland are ruled by their political enemies (Chinese civil war anyone?). They want all of China to be one under the Republic of China of course.

Spratly Islands dispute and Chinese invasion

Tiananmen Square incident

Tibet Human Rights Issue

Chinese attempted invasion of Vietnam in the Sino-Vietnamese War

Gross Violations of human rights in Xinjiang

Inner Mongolia ethnic cleansing

I could go on.



Myempire is Chinese, he can read and write in Chinese and apparantly people have already seen his photo.

I've never seen blacks with blue eyes and blonde hair unless they were albino. And Chinese do look a certain way. The average certainly do not look Mongolian or Filipino, although many South Chinese especially Cantonese look Southeast Asian. So if some whites have slanty eyes, do you feel ethnic affinity to them?



Then we can all coexist. Every single race, nationality, and gender. However, China is the threat with human rights issues who do not treat non-Han very well.



If they feel they are Chinese, let them. However, many of them are 'impure' being mixed with aboriginal blood, and 'pure' Han people who discriminate against them. I doubt ethnic Taiwanese would like that.



I have not singlehandedly attacked each individual Chinese, however, I criticize many of the Han's racist behaviors and their totalitarian style government. If the China threat grows too large and the US will have to inevitably contain, then I will be the first to sign up for the US army.

Taiwanese people are not aboriginals... This is quite an absurd statement because according to official governmental statistics, 98% of Taiwan's population is made up of Han Chinese, while 2% are Taiwanese aborigines. The composite category of "Taiwanese people" is often reputed by many Taiwanese to include a significant population of at least four constituent ethnic groups: the Hoklo (70%), the Hakka (15%), Mainlander (13%), and Taiwanese Aborigines (2%). This would explain why the Hokkien language is spoken by 70% of Taiwan's population. Any aboriginal's miscegenation to the gene pool is probably minimal and neglegent at best due to the fact that Chinese's culture predominates and basically annihilate most native's influence. Likewise the same situation can be apply to the White Americans and Native Americans, are the Caucasians of the United State today impure? =P Highly and improbably not.

To further extend my point of "Mongolia has strong Tibetan and Chinese cultural influence both in their tradition and legacy". I would like to add that the Chinese are most closely related to the Tibetans NOT Southeast Asians like some people would erroneously like to claim. Yes, does Sino-Tibetan ring a bell to anyone here? The Han Chinese and "proto-Tibeto-Burman" may have split sometime before 4000 BC, when the Han began growing millet in the Yellow River valley while the Tibeto-Burmans remained nomads. Tibetans share a genetic background with Mongols, although it is clear and obvious that other main influences do exist due to their geographical locations. The same is true and analogous to the Han Chinese and Turko-Mongols, these groups of people are far from homogenous they are genetically heterogenous. Based from these observations, we can safely conclude that Han Chinese, Tibetans, and Mongols largely share a common genetic ancestor.

Who is that reported by? Many of them if they trace their lineages have mixed with aboriginals, that does not mean i said they are aboriginals. That's what I got from many Taiwanese.

"Any aboriginal's miscegenation to the gene pool is probably minimal and neglegent at best due to the fact that Chinese's culture predominates and basically annihilate most native's influence. Likewise the same situation can be apply to the White Americans and Native Americans, are the Caucasians of the United State today impure? =P Highly and improbably not." For the most part anyways.

These facts are reported by:
- Copper, John (2003). Taiwan: Nation State or Province? (Fourth Edition). Boulder, CO: Westview press
- Hsiao, A-Chin (2004). Contemporary Taiwanese Cultural Nationalism. London: Routledge Press.

Hong Kong and Singapore was under British rule at some point, would you like it to be the same? China turned communist to have fate over their own country, despite being poor. That point is moot especially considering sovereign nations want to be ruled by their own, not by foreigners. Hypocrisy on China's part.



They don't. Possibly at the one odd extreme, but the average Northern or Southernj Han does not look like that without mixture. I've seen some Beijingers who could pass for Filipino, but you do think that North Chinese are generally more distinguishable than Filipino, right? Answer this, do you seek solidarity with Filipinos too.



It's more like Nordics differing from the Alpinics differing from the Slavs. What do you think of Southeast Asians and their relation to Han Chinese. Tell me, I'm dying to know.



If you wanna look at a map of China, excluding Manchukuo and Inner mongolia, here it is, you figure out where South China (Not central) and Southeast Asia is, because that's where the Han haplogroup (O3) derived from. China borders Mongolia, but it also borders Southeast Asia.




Southern origin of Han Chinese:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...0bf0e98ce227c79

Japanese, Korean scientists also place Han Chinese closer to the Southeast Asian clusters:

http://sayer.lab.nig.ac.jp/~saitou/paper-p...moto_AJPA97.pdf

http://www.genekotech.com/dnatype/lab/pdf/Shin2000.pdf



Cambodians and Indonesians are a different subrace but still the same race with Chinese, much like Mongolians and Tungus are a different subrace.

Cambodians:





Mongolians:





Han Chinese:





All the same mongoloid race so that's why you see similarity, but different subraces (tungusics don't look Han or Cambodian. Chinese don't look Tungusic or Cambodian. Cambodians don't look Han or Tungusic)



The leaders consider them Taiwanese. How many Taiwanese support sovereignty?

Also: Tibet Facts

Are these men reunificationists? Because Taiwanese (separatists) would do anything to remove links from PRC China, and want to be governed by themselves, not by people who deem them impure.

Study Finds Most Hoklo, Hakka have Aboriginal genes, study finds

Ma's disparaging remarks about the indigenous ethnic

maosoleotardy, hellothar, this remind anyone of the White people and native Americans?

There is only one way to resolve this, what is the major different between Northern Chinese/Koreans/Japanese people and the Mongols? The Nose? Eyes perhaps? Skin colors? If they are indeed two different race then their features should obvious be much much more different but I frankly see no real differences in all of these pictures you showed, so it would be more clear for you to just simply state them like it is.

Since you're dying to know what I think of Southeast Asians and their relation to Han Chinese despite the fact that I have already stated my point of view. Southeast Asian like the Cambodians, Malays, Filipinos, and Indonesians tends to have bigger eyes with double eyelids, a flat wide nose, much darker skin tones and hair that it isn't as straight, sometimes curly or "kinky". No Beijingers could possibly pass for a Filipino unless that Filipino have Chinese features due to admixture. I mean, come on, people from Beijing and North China have eyes that are so small like the Mongols, Koreans, and Japanese. While the Filipino have eyes that are double eyelidded and much more roud as oppose to being "slanted". It's like this -.- to this o.o

Northern China and especially Shaanxi only boders Mongolian's territories. I don't know what you are talking about being closed to Southeast Asia. It takes about 7 to 8 hours of flight time to get from Beijing to Kualar Lumpur for crying out loud. Did you just tripple post? And how could the Hakka or Hokkien have a high admixture of aboriginal's blood from Taiwan? They were originately from Northern China but migrated south due to political turmoil... Hence the word Hakka means "guest people".

I can say this without a doubt that the Chinese from the mainland do not consider Taiwanese to be unracially impure. Your anecdote and urban legend are just mere slanders. They may have other negative stereotypes but not "racially tainted", that is just so hogwashy. XD

By the way, in the pictures above of yours. It would appear that the Mongols are darker than the Chinese and Cambodians especially the men. O.O;

The bone structure, face shape, lips. You know that race isn't just about skin color mauso or Donald Trump's wife would be asian too. You really think Chinese look like Tungus? (Koreans look more like them):







Distinct Korean looks:





Average North chinese:





Compare averaged Korean (North Asian features) to averaged Chinese woman:



Obvious difference. Koreans are more related to Tungusics than Chinese in my opinion, when you compare their distinct/averaged looks.



Beijingers who can pass for Flip:

http://image42.webshots.com/42/1/82/35/303...35qIblQJ_fs.jpg

And also, lol, the more north you go the lighter and wavier they get, the more south you go the kinkier and harder it gets.




Many of them look closer to southeast Asians from what I see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UlizhWIMbU

You know how Pure han hate those.

btw, I don't even think you are hmong. you are obviously racist against asians and I doubt hmong people would say such stupid things. I think you are another non-asian troll that hate's chinese and wants everybody else to hate us too....Why are there so many of you? Are you that chineseisawsome dude?? You obviously have a chip on your shoulder. Considering you joined today and yet you know so many other members I'd say you were banned before and you just created a new username and are pretending to be hmong.

/ban

I said for you to describe for me the differences not to post more pictures. However judging from the "new" pictures then I still don't see any "major" difference. You just pick people with small eyes against Chinese people with a double eyelids. What point are you trying to prove? There are plenty of small eyes Chinese people on the size same as Koreans and other other "Tungusics" or Mongols eyes. I've also notice the cheekbones size but that doesn't mean anything more or less because high cheekbones can also be applicable to Chinese populace in general. These features and traits are not unique or exclusive but they are share by all groups of northeast Asian people to vary degrees and slight variations.

Aw I feel sorry for you. You cannot tell the difference between Altaic and Han Chinese because you think it's all eyes. LOL, i describe just for you okay

Tungus - square shape head and forward portruding bone structure, rounded frontal zygomatics, smaller forehead, developed jawline, shorter arms/legs; longer trunk, more pronounced epicanthic fold/monolid, bow legged, hairier, more incidences of wavier and lighter hair (think caucasian), Chinese have predominantly straight hair (like native american), se asians have kinky hair (like black)

Kokuryo skull (Korean not Chinese mind you) vs. Han Chinese skull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUwyIvT358E...re=channel_page

From another fellow Han Chinese:

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Default Re: Genghis Khan, The Mongol Empire
From where I used to live (in Harbin that's it), even many of the Han chinese displayed non-Han characteristics like bowed legs, short stature (we are predominantly quite tall up here), hairy body and very light chestnut brown eyes. These undesirable traits are considered mongolian in every sense, whereby the genetic background in Harbin should be more dongbei ren which is supposed to be tall, fair and of good posture. Now when I come to Australia, it seems like these mongolian features become a rarity because the chinese here look more like negroes and australoids.

That 8% of Y chromosome is found in males over the world? I'd certainly wish that I have none of the mongolian inheritance, since the so called mongolian splendour is not that big deal in China (indeed we regard Mongols as somewhat subhumans).

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=109944



We are all mongoloid race here. But Altaic, Han Chinese, South Han Chinese (although all han to us), Southeast Asian, etc. all similar with slight variation, but you still treat us like $hit.

Don't that make you feel good for china expansionism or that make you feel like powerful white man who conquer indians? because Han Chinese treat Tibetan like $hit, Uyghur, Mongol, and other ethnics like $hit, especially darker ones. So you are no better than the white expansionist you hate. We are the victims here, not Chinese.

Ok now, you are just being nonsensical. These are not actually evidence of facts but mere anecdotes and stories that anyone can make up. Chinese that looks like negroids and australoids? You have got to be kidding me. And Southeast Asians have hair like black people? XD The Tungus do not have higher incidences of lighter hair... The Manchus and Mongols are the most Asian looking people on the planet, they would not have any European's traits unless due to a random mutation or racial admixtures.

Pay attention. No one here is the victim because no one is being victimized.

"Tibet and Xinjiang may not love being under Chinese but you cannot deny what Chinese rule have had a positive effect on their formerly feudal and primitive society. China have drastically modernized these areas and increased the life expectancy and quality of life for these people. Are you sugessting that the Uyghurs and Tibetans are better off living in a theocracy where slavery are praticed and people generally don't live past the age of 40?"


"If the Chinese government discriminates the Mongols people so much then why does all street signs in Inner Mongolia must be bilingual with Mongolian and Chinese? Or why does Inner Mongolia uses the traditional Mongolian alphabet while the Outer Mongolians (deemed the actual Mongols by some) do not? If the terribly evil Chinese government wants to ethically clean the Mongols and destroy their precious culture, why doesn't the one child policy apply to them or any genocide against the Mongol's people have ever occcured in Chinese history (with the exception of the Oirats during Kangxi's era)? I concede that there are discriminations of Mongolians within the Chinese majority but not to the point of institutionalization. These unfortunate incidences are merely minor infractions that do not represent nor demonstrate the true nature of Sino-Mongolian's bilateral relation. In fact, Mongols from Inner Mongolia are much more better off economically than their Outer counterpart, they tends to have higher life expectancy, received a better education, and is not a nomad wandering the endless steppe. If anything, the Chinese government have moderately tried to preserved Mongolian's traditional culture through "taken for granted" means such as the utilizing the "Old Mongolian Script" instead of the retardly ugly cyrillic or Latin ones and the also the maintanance of Inner Mongol's historical relics such as ancient monuments and Buddhist's sites. The actual Mongolian's government on the other hand have neglected the traditional script since Genghis Khan's times to the point of non existent over the many many decades, leaving their holy temples unkempt or worst in ruins, and have made little incentive to protect or refurnish historical places. The Mongolian's government is just as corrupt and perhaps even more disorganized than their Chinese counterpart as evidence in the fact that Inner Mongolia is better off economically and population wise than Outer Mongolia. The Mongols people as a whole do have their own nation, and thus independence and sovereignty but why are there twice as many Mongols residing in China rather than the actual Mongolian's state? I think the answer would be obvious: because Outer Mongolia sucks harcore, many Chinese Mongols wouldn't leave Inner Mongolia or China as a whole to move back to that desolated wasteland. If what you are saying about China is true then I guess these Mongols prefered the economy and lifestyle of being Chinese citizens that they would rather endure the opression and tyranny of Communism."

haha you sound like this psycho who used to post here called Visitorq. By your silence to my question I'm assuming you aren't asian

That's from a fellow han chinese nationalist of yours, advocating racial purity

another post:

Hi! Nice to meet you as well, and I really enjoy reading your posts on the forum. Well, certainly there are some northern admixtures in the southern han population. When I lived in Singapore a decade ago, I could see some chinese that could pass off as a Harbin folk or a Korean, albeit few. But looking like Mongolian is a bit extreme as it really brings out the "weirdness" (such as bowed legs) from the oriental standards. Hairy legs are a norm for Northerners (I do believe you have northern ancestry, also regarding your height), but a chest of thick jungle growth is highly suspicious. I know that besides the possibility of mongolian influence in Harbin on the degree of hirstuteness, another could be the australoid Ainu admixture that also likewise resulted in hairy Japanese. While I think that it is inevitably offensive for the southern chinese with regarding them as negroid or australoid, we cannot deny the fact that they have such predominant influence in their genepool (for e.g. just look at a chinese from Hongkong. His lack of epicantical fold, rounded skull type, small built and fetal posture are phenotypically suggestive of a southern origin). I have seen researches backing up the claim but I don't keep the URLs around, so please check up on search engines, especially on the topics of "Hakka" and such. Regarding intelligence, I do have to admit that we northerners often lose out to the more cunning southerners especially people from Shanghai, Hongkong, Guangzhou (I do find the chinese in Singapore and Malaysia more sincere). Repeated barbarian invasions in the north caused a brain drain to the south, and the resilient northerners left behind were physically tougher (probably due to some mixture with the barbarians but also more submissive, less initiative, less complains, more morose... the lack of "will" causing the fall of northern china to the Manchus). Whereas the south is the birthplace for revolutionaries and merchants, although they are physically weaker, and more gay. Due to this north south divide, the chinese are often referred to as a "degenerate race" in many literature.

Yet nevertheless, despite some phenotypic differences, we chinese people are united under the common culture, the common virtues and the common values which set us apart from other races. Therefore we should be supportive of one another regardless if you're from U.S.A., Indonesia, the Arctics, etc. So pleased to meet you fellow chinese!



http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.p...mp;postcount=14



LOL what does street sign have to do with anything? Inner mongolia should be strictly mongolian if it was fair, not force "Han multiculturalism" into Mongolia. How you feel if every city in China was bilingual with English, French or German?



so just because one child policy not apply to them, that means they treated good? lol youre naive. you know if they apply one child to other ethnic, the UN and USjump down their throat for genocide lol


The crime of "genocide" defined in internation law
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The international legal definition of the crime of genocide is found in Articles II and III of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.

Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:

1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and

2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."

Article III described five punishable forms of the crime of genocide: genocide; conspiracy, incitement, attempt and complicity.
Excerpt from the Convention on the Prevention and
Punishment of Genocide (For full text click here)

"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Read:
http://www.innermongolia.org/english/index.html



you sound just like those white people who want to invade iraq, iran, vietnam and other countries because you are right and they are wrong. i only want to show you another way, but you too brainwashed by chinese way lol . why don't you open your eye lol dont be so blind to nationalism and start caring for other ethnic too. we are people to you know

Why does it matter if I am not asian to you? It does not. You argue the point, not the person.

dude get a life instead of trying to prove how "different chinese are". I wait for a viable response from an actual mongolian person.
btw, you don't know anything about mongoloid features do you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

i think culture and how people perform and think is more substantial in arguing about genetics. Take for example the patterns of high IQ's amongst ALL east asians, whether they're chinese, japanese, korean, hong kong, or taiwanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

WHAT THE FUKKK???

Equatorial Guinea went from 59 in 2002 to 145 in 2006?????

iluv or something, the one should STFU is you, what the fu-k make you believe those dumb mongols are the same as us:

Typical mongol get the widest skull comparing to all the rest human race, they also get MUCH wider noses comparing to all the rest human races, their IQ, according to the lastest study is only 90 or something, I can spot a mongol from Chinese in Beijing 1000KM away.

Mongolians are as related to Chinese as Indians

You should STFU, no, no N.Chinese looks like Mongolian, we get the narrowest face, longest skull, longest and narrowest nose among all Asians, and few of us get the mongolized eyes also.

The original dna of sino-tibetans is haplogroup N and Q not O3,Haplogroup O3 is associated with the neolithic revolution and later Wet Rice farming,haplogroup O is originally Austric not Sino-Tibetan or Altaic..

Are you talk the $hit out of your @$$ again? in which world N and Q(an native american marker) has anything to do with Sino-Tibetan?

ALL NOBELMEN IN EARLY CHINESE KINGDOMS ARE EXCLUSIVE O3a5-M-134, so sure they are original Han's marker, now you can get lost

Northern Chinese do have genetic links from the Mongol/Turkic/Manchu/Siberic people. Anthropologists have already concluded that. Everyone has already split Northern and Southern Chinese into two seperate subraces, and they weren't the first, it's happened throughout history.

I posted this before, to bring some understanding and end of hatred between Mongol and Chinese people.

When you get tired of this, my little wanker?

This is the genetic studies regarding gene-distance between different groups in Asia, and among South/North/West/Taiwan Han Chinese:



If N.Chinese and S.Chinese are not the same race, then there isnt much, if any at all, race in this world existing, now you can get lost, joke.

And I bet you have no clue about what you are talking about:

THE ONLY REASON WHY N.Chinese seems like get anything (althrough the similiarity is still trivial) to do with MONGOL/MANCHU IN China is because the MANCHU/MONGOL in China are mixed Manchu/Mongol, get huge Han's blood in their Y-DNA, get your fact straigth you fu-king joke.

The first line is Tungus in China (Manchu etc), the rest are their bros in Russia:



Now get lost

I've been studying anthropology for 3 years, I know far more then you'll possibly know. It's obvious that you're a troll here on Mongol forum. You want to promote your own racial hatred against Mongol people as a Chinamen. But being married to a half-Chinese wife, and a 1/4 Chinese daughter due next month, I fail to understand the need of hating people by genes.

Only those people who are inferior themselves as individuals need to rely on personal racial pride to feel good about themselves.

I pity you Chinaman.

If you want to learn a bit about genetics and cultural inheritance, not race-based politics, read the latest research done by combined U.S.A., U.K., Russian and Chinese anthropologists. Not to mention the AAPA declarations on race.

Lol you retarded mongol joke, its you begin the personal insult, not me, so quit acting as if you are a saint, and ironically most of the studies I quoted is are from international academic studies, so there is nothing speical about that.

Not get lost quite annoying us, there are mongol-wannabe like Korean jokes, to be fair many of them definitely get some of your blood, just by looking at their face, now go annoy them, get lost

Latest research has split Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese into two seperate ancestries, however due to the Chinese anthropologists and their own political nationalist motives, they have claimed Mongolia, Tibet, East-Turkistan, Korea, and Japan as one "Northern Chinese" race. I don't agree with that, but it's obvious that such claims come from the genetic similarities. That, I can't deny as a Mongol.

I'm sorry you feel that you feel so much hatred against Mongols. Perhaps we should rename the thread, why are Chinese racist against Mongolians? <- As that would be a much more accurate title in this situation.

As for personal insults? It's only a fact that you are trolling hoping to bring more hatred between our two people by typing words from the safety behind a computer screen. And I am not the one who accused the other of being a "wanker". As I have a 1/4 Chinese daughter on the way next month, but for you spreading hate through the internet, perhaps losing your virginity would help solve your personal issues?

All the pics I quoted are from latest Chinese gene studies, so your so-called latest mean little.

I dont hate mongol or something, actually I seldom even come here unless there is some topic pissing me off loyally.

I just like to point the thing it actually is:

I bet the Chinese scholars (who knows their ethnics, there are alot of funny minority chinese scholars like to do retard studies to piss the majority Han off, there are too many of them to name) only using their DNA samles within China to study mongolian due to the cost considerations and maybe their other hidden agenda as well.

But just like I have pointed out, the inner mongolian, especilally daur mongolian or whatever name, is a highly mixed one, hardly reprents the true gene pattern of the pure mongolian in outer mongol, etc.

Putting an inner mongolian and an outer-mongolian together, I bet even you can tell the difference between the two since its so obvious.

For those obvious reasons, their study is fundmentally flawed.

Just like I said before to others, you dont try to mess up with our people (I certainly wont like the idea any outsiders try to divide our people) then I get little problem with you guys, peace

I understand your views, I didn't like the latest study I read either. Science and politics unfortunately get intertwined from time to time.

In the past I used to believe in our people being of two different races. I still believe that, though the most recent studies have shown admixture. I'd rather we be identified by who we are by individuals in either case. Mongol, or Chinese, I've come to the point in my life where I don't care.

My wife is half Chinese, and already both sides are condemning either her or our daughter. I wish for this to end. In the end, we both bleed red. Judging a baby girl before she is even born... I think both our people should hate such INDIVIDUAL people, not just hate each other's race.

I love my wife, my daughter and our family. Let's hope things will change in the future.

The ancestor of O3a5-M-134 is not from Han Chinese it only developed after the progenitors of O3a5-M-134 assimilated to Huaxia....

Oh fu-king quit will ya?!
I'm SO F--KING SICK OF THIS HATRED AND DEBATES OVER THIS GENE AND THAT GENE WHICH ONLY REPRESENTS 4% OF OUR HUMAN GENETIC CODE!!!

I DONT GIVE A FLYING F-CK WHAT RACE OR WHAT GENE YOU HAVE, ILL JUDGE YOU BY WHO YOU ARE AS INDIVIDUALS!
This way, NO ONE WILL F-CKING JUDGE MY BABY GIRL BEFORE SHE IS EVEN F-CKING BORN YOU F-CKING SUBHUMAN PRICKS WHO JUDGE INDIVIDUALS BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN BORN!!!

BAH! The internet was good, but now it's getting to me, so full of f--king internet warriors and haters.

Please learn some basic biology knowledge,
the yellows in asia can divide into:northern asia type, east asia type, SE asia type.

Are u kidding? who is proto-huaxia? Those aryans?
Sino-tibetan's N belong to N* group the up Y-SNP of those siberia N3