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MoneyAndGirlz
I've heard that Vietnam and Israel had some good relationships beerchug.gif btw I like Israel
Ho Chi Minh and Ben Gurion were close friends, Ben Gurion helped Ho Chi Minh very much when he was in Poland beerchug.gif
. When, in 1946, he met Ho Chi Minh in Paris, the Vietnamese leader offered him a Jewish home-in-exile in Vietnam. Ben-Gurion turned this offer down, telling Ho Chi Minh (as he related in a letter to this reviewer on July 27, 1967): ''I am certain we shall be able to establish a Jewish Government in Palestine.''
I hope Ben Gurion said Yes embarassedlaugh.gif I like Jewish girls beerchug.gif
Takumi117
yea there are viets living in israel. i've seen a vid on youtube month ago about viets in israel.
duytanfan
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SoCal
thanks for posting this topic


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_chi_minh


Birth of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam

On 2 September 1945, after Emperor Bao Dai's abdication, Hồ Chí Minh read the Declaration of Independence of Vietnam,[19] under the name of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. With violence between rival Vietnamese factions and French forces spiraling, the British commander, General Sir Douglas Gracey declared martial law. On 24 September, the Viet Minh leaders responded with a call for a general strike.[20]





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

Founding of Israel

On 14 May 1948 on the last day the British Mandate, Ben-Gurion declared the independence of the state of Israel. In the Israeli declaration of independence, he stated that the new nation would "uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or gender."
MoneyAndGirlz
QUOTE (SoCal @ Jun 12 2009, 08:21 PM) *
thanks for posting this topic


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_chi_minh


Birth of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam

On 2 September 1945, after Emperor Bao Dai's abdication, Hồ Chí Minh read the Declaration of Independence of Vietnam,[19] under the name of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. With violence between rival Vietnamese factions and French forces spiraling, the British commander, General Sir Douglas Gracey declared martial law. On 24 September, the Viet Minh leaders responded with a call for a general strike.[20]





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

Founding of Israel

On 14 May 1948 on the last day the British Mandate, Ben-Gurion declared the independence of the state of Israel. In the Israeli declaration of independence, he stated that the new nation would "uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or gender."

In fact, Israel is the first country in the world which can build the socialism : KIBBUTZ ^_~
So I think we should learn from them beerchug.gif
ozm
Everyone has good relationships with everyone, atleast to some kind of extent.
SoCal
QUOTE (MoneyAndGirlz @ Jun 12 2009, 08:11 PM) *
In fact, Israel is the first country in the world which can build the socialism : KIBBUTZ ^_~
So I think we should learn from them beerchug.gif



Ho Chi Minh named the country Democratic Republic of Vietnam and his followers changed it to Socialist Republic of Vietnam. confused.gif


Is that true? confused.gif
Phonecard
Maybe Ho could understand Israel being a new country like Vietnam was going to be a new country

and they could have good relations.
However don't forget the new post WW2 south Vietnam was dominated by the Catholic church.During WW2 there was a French Cardinal who had much influence in the Vichy government who actually supported the final solution.I doubt his influence in the church diminished.

Its another maybe that if there was no war and a new Vietnam and Israel could have good relations and share their advantages.
MoneyAndGirlz
QUOTE (SoCal @ Jun 13 2009, 08:58 PM) *
Ho Chi Minh named the country Democratic Republic of Vietnam and his followers changed it to Socialist Republic of Vietnam. confused.gif


Is that true? confused.gif

Yes, cuz he knows "democratic" will be useless if his nation is still poor thumbsdown.gif
SoCal
QUOTE (MoneyAndGirlz @ Jun 13 2009, 04:50 PM) *
Yes, cuz he knows "democratic" will be useless if his nation is still poor thumbsdown.gif



Huh, you try to be funny with me? confused.gif
MoneyAndGirlz
QUOTE (SoCal @ Jun 14 2009, 06:52 AM) *
Huh, you try to be funny with me? confused.gif

What do you mean Xo Cà thumbsdown.gif ?
SoCal
QUOTE (MoneyAndGirlz @ Jun 13 2009, 04:59 PM) *
What do you mean Xo Cà thumbsdown.gif ?



I am your Su* Ca. Please be respectful to the elder.
MoneyAndGirlz
QUOTE (SoCal @ Jun 14 2009, 07:01 AM) *
I am your Su* Ca. Please be respectful to the elder.

Ok sorry su* ka thumbsdown.gif
SoCal
QUOTE (MoneyAndGirlz @ Jun 13 2009, 05:18 PM) *
Ok sorry su* ka thumbsdown.gif



MAG,

Please be compassionate to letters and words by restraining yourself from using too many "f__k" and "s__t" in your sentences.


Thank you for your patience and understanding.
SoCal
QUOTE (MoneyAndGirlz @ Jun 13 2009, 05:18 PM) *
Ok sorry su* ka thumbsdown.gif



by the way

is it Su* Ca

or

Xu* Ka


confused.gif confused.gif
MoneyAndGirlz
QUOTE (SoCal @ Jun 14 2009, 07:25 AM) *
by the way

is it Su* Ca

or

Xu* Ka


confused.gif confused.gif

you claim so much thumbsdown.gif
AdamNB
I hope that Viet Nam and Israel always have a good relationship... As a Jew who loves the Viet Namese people... I want the Jews and the Viet to be friend.. Ban Doi.. friends for Life
AdamNB
QUOTE (MoneyAndGirlz @ Jun 12 2009, 08:11 PM) *
In fact, Israel is the first country in the world which can build the socialism : KIBBUTZ ^_~
So I think we should learn from them beerchug.gif



The Kibbutz which is somewhat successful only works on a small scale.. many kibbutz that tried to expand had great difficulties. Communism only works on a small scale large scale it always reverts to a socialist style governance.. Communism requires no government and doesnt work when large scale needs arise.
MoneyAndGirlz
QUOTE (AdamNB @ Jun 16 2009, 06:51 AM) *
The Kibbutz which is somewhat successful only works on a small scale.. many kibbutz that tried to expand had great difficulties. Communism only works on a small scale large scale it always reverts to a socialist style governance.. Communism requires no government and doesnt work when large scale needs arise.

Whatever beerchug.gif btw both kibbutz and Israel rox thumbsdown.gif
sumtingwong
It never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for the commies and their asiafinest.com lackeys to talk out of both sides of their mouths as if they have no concept of shame or human decency whatsoever. After decades upon decades of screwing over the Jewish people by aiding and abetting Mohammedan terrorists hell bent on destroying the Jewish state, they realized they were betting on the wrong horse and, all of a sudden, shamelessly did a 180 degree turn and started talking as if they were old friends of the Jewish people. Unlike some of the dumbass overseas Vietnamese whose brains are the size of that of a fruitflys', the Jewish people are well known for their intelligence. They don't easily forget VC's crimes inflicted upon their people they way some dumbass overseas Vietnamese easily forgot how the commies drove them into the sea just a few decades earlier. Just read below

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The PLO Discovers “Wars of National Liberation”
by David Meir-Levi

As early as 1964, Arafat had sent Abu Jihad (later the leader of the PLO’s military operations) to North Vietnam to study the strategy and tactics of guerrilla warfare as waged by Ho Chi Minh. At this time, Fatah also translated the writings of North Vietnam’s General Nguyen Giap, as well as the works of Mao and Che Guevara, into Arabic.

Arafat was particularly struck by Ho Chi Minh’s success in mobilizing left-wing sympathizers in Europe and the United States, where activists on American campuses, enthusiastically following the line of North Vietnamese operatives, had succeeded in reframing the Vietnam war from a Communist assault on the south to a struggle for national liberation. Ho’s chief strategist, General Giap, made it clear to Arafat and his lieutenants that in order to succeed, they too needed to redefine the terms of their struggle. Giap’s counsel was simple but profound: the PLO needed to work in a way that concealed its real goals, permitted strategic deception, and gave the appearance of moderation:

“Stop talking about annihilating Israel and instead turn your terror war into a struggle for human rights. Then you will have the American people eating out of your hand.”

At the same time that he was getting advice from General Giap, Arafat was also being tutored by Muhammad Yazid, who had been minister of information in two Algerian wartime governments (1958–1962): wipe out the argument that Israel is a small state whose existence is threatened by the Arab states, or the reduction of the Palestinian problem to a question of refugees; instead, present the Palestinian struggle as a struggle for liberation like the others. Wipe out the impression that in the struggle between the Palestinians and the Zionists, the Zionist is the underdog. Now it is the Arab who is oppressed and victimized in his existence because he is not only facing the Zionists but also world imperialism.

To make sure that they followed this advice, the KGB put Arafat and his adjutants into the hands of a master of propaganda: Nicolai Ceausescu, president-for-life of Romania.

For the next few years, Ceausescu hosted Arafat frequently and gave him lessons on how to apply the advice of Giap, Yazid, and others in the Soviet orbit. Arafat’s personal “handler,” Ion Mihai Pacepa, the head of the Romanian military intelligence, had to work hard on his sometimes unruly protégé. Pacepa later recorded a number of sessions during which Arafat railed against Ceausescu’s injunctions that the PLO should present itself as a people’s revolutionary army striving to right wrongs and free the oppressed: he wanted only to obliterate Israel. Gradually, though, Ceausescu’s lessons in Machiavellian statecraft sank in. During his early Lebanon years, Arafat developed propaganda tactics that would allow him to create the image of a homeless people oppressed by a colonial power. This makeover would serve him well in the west for decades to come.

Although Arafat was pioneering the use of skyjacking during this time and setting off a wave of copycat airborne terrorism, he discovered that even the flimsiest and most transparent excuses sufficed for the western media to exonerate him and blame Israel for its retaliatory or preventive attacks, and to accept his insistence that he was a statesman who could not control the terrorists he was in fact orchestrating.

But while Arafat was finally absorbing and applying the lessons he learned from his Romanian and North Vietnamese hosts and handlers, as Pacepa describes it in Red Horizons, the Soviets still questioned his dependability. So, with Pacepa’s help, they created a highly specialized “insurance policy.” Using the good offices of the Romanian ambassador to Egypt, they secretly taped Arafat’s almost nightly homosexual interactions with his bodyguards and with the unfortunate preteen orphan boys whom Ceausescu provided for him as part of “Romanian hospitality.” with videotapes of Arafat’s voracious pedophilia in their vault, and knowing the traditional attitude toward homosexuality in Islam, the KGB felt that Arafat would continue to be a reliable asset for the Kremlin.

Whether or not Arafat’s homosexuality was the key to the Soviets’ control over him, it is clear that by the early 1970s the PLO had joined the ranks of other socialist anti-colonial “liberation” movements, both in its culture and in its politics; and had reframed its terror war as a “people’s war” similar to those of the other Marxist-Leninist terrorist guerrillas in China, Cuba, and Vietnam. Thanks to input from Ceausescu, General Giap, and the Algerians, Arafat gradually saw the wisdom of jettisoning his fulminations about “throwing the Jews into the sea,” and in its place he developed the images of the “illegal occupation” and “Palestinian national self-determination,” both of which lent his terrorism the mantle of a legitimate people’s resistance. Of course, there was one ingredient missing in this imaginative reconfiguration of the struggle: There had never been a “Palestinian people,” or a “Palestinian nation,” or a sovereign state known as “Palestine.”
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SoCal
QUOTE (MoneyAndGirlz @ Jun 12 2009, 12:39 AM) *
I've heard that Vietnam and Israel had some good relationships beerchug.gif btw I like Israel
Ho Chi Minh and Ben Gurion were close friends, Ben Gurion helped Ho Chi Minh very much when he was in Poland beerchug.gif
. When, in 1946, he met Ho Chi Minh in Paris, the Vietnamese leader offered him a Jewish home-in-exile in Vietnam. Ben-Gurion turned this offer down, telling Ho Chi Minh (as he related in a letter to this reviewer on July 27, 1967): ''I am certain we shall be able to establish a Jewish Government in Palestine.''
I hope Ben Gurion said Yes embarassedlaugh.gif I like Jewish girls beerchug.gif



JV (Jewish Vietnamese) Solidarity
Archangel
Ben Gurion did the right thing , instead of trying to set up in foreign lands he opted to return to the land of his ancestors.
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