http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE55C00220090613

China sub collides with array towed by U.S. ship: report

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Chinese submarine accidentally collided with an underwater sonar array being towed by a U.S. military ship, CNN reported on Friday, quoting an unnamed military official.

The incident occurred on Thursday near Subic Bay off the coast of the Philippines, according to the CNN report.

The destroyer USS John S. McCain was towing the array, deployed to track underwater sounds.

"The John S. McCain did have a problem with its towed array sonar. It was damaged" on Thursday in Subic Bay, a Pentagon spokesman told Reuters in a telephone interview.

The spokesman, who asked not to be identified, would not confirm other details of the CNN report, including whether the array collided with a Chinese submarine. He said the U.S. destroyer was not damaged and was not hit by another vessel.

The U.S. Navy does not view the incident as a deliberate move by Beijing to harass military ships operating in the region, CNN reported.


SIMILAR NEWS REPORTS

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/12/china.sub...ref=mpstoryview
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/06/navy...lision_061309w/
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-06...ent_8281490.htm

to take piss mark territory?


actually do you mean US territorial waters, since you don't object to the US ship towing its sonar around?

Whatever you want to call it, Americans are there with a purpose the reason why I didn't object. Chinese sub? Well that is a different story.

agreed...i would rather have US navy in Philippine waters then chinese

if you take consideration or understand the word NEAR you prob figure it prob not in phil teritoy, but thats too much of brain power for somebody like you

how far do you think "NEAR" is from our 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone? Most likely the incident happened inside the Philippines. The media would use the terms "South China Sea" or "west of the Philippines" if it did occur outside our territory. They used the term "near Subic Bay" as a reference to the location, isn't that obvious?

now you edited your post just to insult me

do you know what eez mean? you can get in there as long as you r not exploiting it, its not part of your teritorial

He just get lost a little bit, but anyway, he made a point, you know, if the Chinese sub were indeed in your terrority, do you really believe the news reporter will keep silent about such a fact?

Believe me they will put the Chinese invasion as a title and the news should have all over the web.

it was pathetic of him

The Philippines and US are allies so there is an agreement and I know that only Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear Power ships are only prohibited in Philippine territory because of the Non-Nuclear Poliforation Treaty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defens...US-Philippines)

^ then how come you didn't help the USA in afghanistan and iraq?

The Philippines did send troops in Afganistan and Iraq also in Vietnam and Korea but unfortunately the Philippine troops in Iraq were withdrawn because of unavoidable circumstances.

http://www.camerairaq.com/2004/07/filipino_angelo.html

Philippines in war on terrorism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_End...m_-_Philippines

And do you really think that sub was there for no reason at all? And why did China harrass the US ship Impeccable in the first place when Chinese claimed it was sailing on China's EEZ?





The reason this got in the news was because of previous military stand-offs between China and the US. Good thing they just downplayed the incident as not a Chinese harrassment. Otherwise, this wouldn't have made it in the news, our navy didn't know of such sub in the area until the incident was reported.

Actually Filipino forces are fighting on BOTH sides in Iraq and Afghanistan.

After the Arroyo regime ends let’s kick the US puppets out!

The Chinese are jealous of the Americans. The Philippines is so close and yet so far.

like in the communism vs. fascism spanish civil war. would be interested if there were NPA members volunteering to fight in Vietnam as well as people fighting with the US army...

Filipinos in Spanish Civil War

2 foreign ships, and yet the hostile reception is reserved towards one party, and a welcoming and permissive reception is reserved towards another party.

This kind of attitude and mentality signifies neo-colonialism and neo-imperialism is still strong in the minds of some Asian people.

I feel embarrassed and ashamed.

Some Asian people have very strong awe and respect towards people of a certain part of the world and think of them as Greek Gods and prostate on the floor at their sights.

It's time to discard and throw away this mentality.

I agree with your sentiment and every word you wrote, but your intention is that we should throw away our mentality so that we prostrate to YOU. When the mentality is finally gone, don't bet on that happening

And I thought this is about "sub" sandwiches...j/k

Not surprising the island natives would prefer the MORE FOREIGN party.

The other party although NOT ASIAN has a better public image compared to the Asian one.

This is what the closer neighbor has A LOT to work on.

Hey, if you're gonna become #1 or #2, a good image is a MUST.

Those people you said to be worshiping americans are the brain washed ones

let not get thing more complicated by adding controversy with your prejudice and hatred toward chinese, let just keep this simple
was this happening in philipne territory or not? whatever the sub do it is out of context for you to concern

Close enough, please DO agree that these are Filipino waters!

Malaya Paper



And do add how many miles away from Sanya that was

actually I'm curious, how many miles from Hawaii was it?

Distance from Sanya is about 500 nautical miles, it would be easier to claim from Hong Kong (only 475) but still illegal

Pearl Harbor - Scarborough 4900 nautical miles, from Guam only 1500, still illegal

there thats answered your question, make a note EEZ is not your territorial waters its an economic zone so it debunked the OP claim that china subs was in phil territorail water, fact it was not

Thank you for not drilling for oil, dumping nuclear waste and other crap. It is appreciated that you test your mediocre naval skills and the US test their mediocre equipment in our waters

http://www1.american.edu/TED/ice/subic.htm
http://www.preda.org/archives/research/tw/r00022901.html

better U.S. than the chinese, communists suck!

Sorry, China is a socialist state with a capitalist economy, not a communist one. Get your facts straight. And I really wonder how US has helped Philippines in any sense by leaving their army there. Many people still live in poverty, and the "democratic" government of Philippines doesn't seem to be able to develop the economy efficiently even in the 21st century. Now, why isn't US helping Philippines by giving them guidance on how to run the country? Wake up, Philippines.

The US wants to guide and help the Philippines but the Philippines does not want any help because it wants to be independent and stand on its own feet. If the US help and guide the Philippines it will only lead to indolence.

according from the news I watched yesterday, both vessels are illegally operating in the Philippine territory. So why you guys are only bashing the Chinese?

Very good point.

Well, typical Filipino colonial mentality. White worshippers XD

Both countries have a record of fair play and being utterly honest with the Filipino people.

The Philippines is just small fry to these 2 giants

tell u d truth wether u like or not, its becoz china is an enemy!

Enemy?!?!? Lead got into your head

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadl...t-all-time-high
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/j...080629top1.html
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/j...080629top5.html
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/m...070523opi7.html

US & China are buddies of the Philippines.

US: Pare, pautang nga. Sige ka, di kami bibili sa iyo kapag wala kaming datung.
China: Oo ba, walang problema. Mas OK ang pautang ko, hindi five-six.

The Philippines has many Natural Resources but the US does not need it because they also have many Natural Resources but China wants our Natural Resources so bad that if China start to exploit the Natural Resources of the Philippines that is bad the country's ecosystem.

If Philippines doesn't want USA to help, WHY IS USA STILL REFUSING TO WITHDRAW ITS ARMY? Face this fact, USA has a political motive in stationing its army in Philippines as well. China may have its own interests, but that doesn't mean USA doesn't have any interests to safeguard in the Philippines, and I can bet that many of those interests have NOTHING to do with making the lives of Filipinos better.

Where is your evidence to say that China wants to exploit Philippines' resources? Are you saying China wants to invade Philippines? Tell you one fact, China has NEVER occupied any SINGLE INDEPENDENT COUNTRY since 1950s and NEVER WILL. On the contrary, USA invaded Iraq in 2003 and still has its army there. USA also deployed its army across the globe as though the world is its military base EVEN TODAY. Don't make illogical arguments.



That's what YOU perceive. Tell me, when in the whole period of human history did China EVER occupy Philippines? If you can convince me that China did occupy Philippines and killed Filipinos before, I would acknowledge what you have just said.

As in many situations in life, vagueness and foolishness are your friends

You can make Tibetans, some several thousand "volunteers" in Korea, and Chinese pillaging in Vietnam go away with your statement?

You are surely a great sage

Ouch

How much do you know about me, to shoot such a judgment?

I am merely asking for evidences of the things that people claim to have happened. So that's considered "vagueness and foolishness"? Who is the one making the vague and foolish statement here now?

In a world full of lies and propaganda, I can't believe in everything people says here on the net without seeing it for myself. Unless you are naive, you would agree with me. That's why I'm asking people to PROVE to me that those things really happened, is something seriously wrong with that?

"You can make Tibetans, some several thousand "volunteers" in Korea, and Chinese pillaging in Vietnam go away with your statement"

Now, I don't know what you're trying to get at about the Tibetans. But if you're trying to tell me that the Chinese "invaded" Tibet or that Tibetans are violently suppressed by the Chinese government according to CNN, BBC and some other western media, I have TONS of evidences to prove your belief as ludicrous. And don't be alarmed, many of my evidences come from the western side, so don't think my evidences have ANYTHING to do with Chinese propaganda.

Same thing goes with the "volunteers in Korea", what are you trying to get at? As for the Chinese pillage in Vietnam, don't expect me to believe it unless you give me some news reports and pictorial evidences. Unless you made up that story, I don't see why you can't give me some hard solid facts to back up what you said. If Chinese pillage in Vietnam is a fact, I would accept it without any denial.

And last thing, your sarcasm doesn't work on me.

Peace. I think the Tibetans, Koreans and Vietnamese can make their own cases. Just visit the respective threads on this forum.

Here, it's about the claims of the PRC to the Philippines. It is clear to all that the Philippines is a relatively weak country. Excusing China's violations with previous violations of the USA isn't making things better. As discussed, the violation occurred in the EEZ, which isn't strictly illegal, but an obvious attempt at disrespecting the Philippines, as are the so-called "historical claims" which China fails to substantiate in any way.

Of course, coming from a country that also solely depends on US Defence Forces, you should be able to follow the reasoning.

Unless of course, these facilities are being prepared for China's carrier battle groups already.

the communist gov't of china is an oppressive police state that oppress its ethnic minorities like in tibet and northwestern areas. If anything they are racist they want to eliminate ethnic regional cultures and peoples by sending millions of settlers and forcing the locals to forget about their languange literature history and instead learn only chinese.

Free tibet supporter

I don't support this propaganda.

WORLD WAR 3

Didn't you know that China wanted to rent nearly half of Luzon and created it into a massive farmland to be cultivated by Chinese Farmers to feed China and do you think that will benefit the Philippines?

http://www.newsbreak.com.ph/index.php?opti...Itemid=88889066

China exploiting Philippine Resources

http://thepinoy.net/?p=548

Yes, peace. But the lies and frauds I am seeing about the Tibetan issue is disgusting, and I can show you exactly why.

Lie 1: Tibet is invaded by CCP.
Fact 1: Tibet was already a part of China in Ming dynasty. During the fall of KMT and rise of CCP, Tibet was NOT separated from China.

Lie 2: Tibet riot in 2008 was peaceful.
Fact 2: Tibet riot started with the massacre of a Han businessman, which then turned violent with Tibetan monks burning Chinese shops, cars, schools and attacking Chinese Hans in Tibet. Even 2 Tibetan girls were dragged into the series of attacks and almost got burnt to death inside a shop.

Lie 3: Tibet is suppressed by CCP.
Fact 3: Tibet was under slavery before CCP came into power, with the Dalai Lamas and nobles owning all the land, and having the power to determine the lives and deaths of the slaves. When CCP came into power, they requested the then Dalai to abolish the serfdom system. Upon refusal, CCP sent its army in and Dalai fled with some of the nobles.

Some evidences (ALL western sources):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ow3sK5rDSg...re=channel_page (Tibet: The Truth (A Political History))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN_YUC7--os...re=channel_page (CNN's Lies! I know China!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLTm0xrG-v4...re=channel_page (French senator tells you the truth about Tibet)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL7QV42L0do...re=channel_page (Senator J. Melenchon: Tibet, Invasion, Serfdom)

You still haven't given me any links to those "Chinese violations", care to share? I'm in no way supporting the crimes done by people in my own country, but I'm not going to jump into conclusions by what you say without you showing me something reliable.




You don't even LIVE in China, how do you think your statement is even half convincing? Tell you one fact, minorities in China are given FREE EDUCATION, I know this because I am FROM CHINA. Yah, "the minorities are oppressed and yet they are given the right to free education", ironic don't you think?

Now it's becoming clearer and clearer that you're a troll. Everyone has the right to a nation - and that means we have to follow it ourselves, and that also means we should voluntarily be ready to give up the Sulu Archipelago once the Bangsamoros want it.