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common tactic of the russian government to bait the chinese merchants to bring in the goods from China. They won't do anything initially, after goods in, then the russian government would ambushed the chinese merchants and confisticated their goods in the name of curbing smuggling. After that, they will sell those goods themselves... Many CHinese merchants commited suicide as a result. This article states the Russia stolen almost $2 billion worth of chinese goods from chinese merchants!!

If they are really curbing smuggling, why they bait the chinese merchants to bring in the goods at the first place??

What a bunch of thugs and thieves!!

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Sing Tao Global Network news, the Russian government announced that June 18 will focus on the destruction of two billion U.S. dollars worth of China's "smuggling" of goods, and demanded the closure of切尔基佐沃Moscow market as soon as possible. Tens of thousands of Chinese businessmen to go bankrupt overnight, "It was jumping off a building, it was suicide, so many people dumping the family silver production, what problems may be so far there is no solution."

It was jumping off a building, it was suicide

"International Herald Tribune" reported, "is far more than two billion U.S. dollars! 6000 container ah! Each container value of the goods are from 500,000 to 1,000,000 U.S. dollars between the loss of the Chinese is unprecedented." Russia and China, Zhejiang Ni Jixiang Association president but rather, "it was jumping off a building, it was suicide, so many people dumping the family silver production, what problems may be so far there is no solution."

June 18, the Russian General Prosecutor's Office said that the confiscation of these goods are smuggled Chinese goods, some of which will focus on the destruction of shoddy goods. The Chinese are desperate news. A number of Chinese are angry and revealed that the Russian side that these confiscated smuggled goods, poor quality, but forfeited it to sell low-priced in the market.

Ni auspicious in the eyes of these years, the Chinese businessmen in Russia have been the case in business, in the past despite the confiscation of goods have been, but, after all, only a small scale. The last century, the early 90s, came to NI auspicious Russia, witnessed by the small切尔基佐沃larger market process, "since 1999, more and more Chinese people into this market, making切尔基佐沃the rapid expansion of the market 98% of goods are all Chinese goods, a lot of Vietnamese and Russian people are coming here to work for the Chinese. "

30,000 Chinese become a scapegoat

切尔基佐沃said to have more than 20 years of history, founded by the Russian oligarch伊斯梅洛夫, the current development of Europe's largest retail wholesale.伊斯梅洛夫through the "gray customs clearance" approach to attract a lot of Chinese goods into Russia, which has accumulated vast wealth.

Operating in the Chinese market, in addition to pay the venue fee, but also to pay various fees to伊斯梅洛夫, while claiming to be伊斯梅洛夫on behalf of Chinese government departments to pay tax. "But it was not clear who paid how much tax伊斯梅洛夫to the Russian government, he may have already fled the preparation ready." Operating a hotel in Russia Tian Jin said the Chinese.

Last year, the Russian government伊斯梅洛夫listed as targets, the Russian prosecution of China refers to its sales of goods smuggling, and seized the market of those Chinese containers. Ni Jixiang said one after another this year, Russia has seized some of the Chinese market切尔基佐沃warehouse and confiscated a number of commodities.

In the Russian government, under heavy, long ago伊斯梅洛夫away, and the Chinese have become a scapegoat. It is estimated that切尔基佐沃have 70,000 to 80,000 Chinese, and the Chinese have been affected in about 30,000.

The problem lies in the "gray customs clearance"

Find that the Russian side of the Chinese goods are smuggled, and through the "gray customs clearance" to come. However, according to people familiar with the Sino-Russian trade that Russia, said Chinese goods as "contraband goods" unfair, in fact, is not the responsibility of Chinese businessmen.

The so-called "gray customs clearance" is not a way of smuggling. According to the source, the last century 90's, Russia's domestic economic recession, a serious shortage of daily necessities, and light industrial products in China a competitive advantage in Russia very much to meet the ordinary people of Russia on the middle and low demand for commodities. Thus, Russian companies specialized start the "charter tax package" "chartered tax package" of business, that is, the consignor in my domestic shipping paid, the consignee receipt in Russia, and the remaining intermediate links, including transportation, customs clearance, commodity inspection and so on all from the Russian company. Russian Customs Committee has also approved some "customs clearance companies" for the trade performance of customs procedures, revenue collection.

But the problem is that some "customs clearance companies" in order to tax evasion, customs clearance of goods to the owner after the Customs and Excise Department issued a formal declaration and tax, together with a number of Russian policies, corruption problems, which the police can search for Russia button to create a pretext for Chinese goods.

Experience of the Chinese overseas more than ten years of hard Ni auspicious feeling powerless. "Russia and corruption in some departments more serious, they engage in 'clearance company', but when the goods arrive at the Russian after everything, and not for any formalities."

Chinese businessmen in Russia go from here

And hard in Russia compared to the Chinese, a group of farming in Russia, China, vegetable farmers hard, by the same escape the fate of looted Russian local governments.

June 20, the Russian "Komsomolskaya Pravda" of "Chinese looting" was reported that Russian special Chelyabinsk State Cooley leaf area law enforcement agencies, the use of bulldozers to remove the Chinese people in the local construction of "illegal vegetables greenhouses. " Painstakingly built up a lot of Chinese peasants farms, local law enforcement agencies in Russia under the bulldozer was razed to the ground because it is "incomplete documents," "non-compliant" and so on.

However, suffered the tragic loss of these Chinese farmers understand is that when the Russians did not say "illegal" until they put a lot of money to play, so painstakingly built up and after some improvement, but the local government in Russia illegally remediation from barbarism.

Tian Jin said that although the Chinese have brought to Russia a large number of cheap goods, but under the Russian media for the negative image of Chinese. This is operated by Chinese businessmen in Russia must seriously think about and face. As for the attack by Chinese businessmen and farmers in Russia, where the current has become an urgent need to make choices.
MyEmpireSEG
Russian business world is a total mafia controlled network with rampant corruption, the whole smuggling thing is because the out of controlled corruption in Russia such that the mafia and the corrupted government officials work together and take part in the smuggling networks, if you dont trade through the smuggle route they will make all kind of excuses to fine or delay your goods such that you lost the business opportunities.

The only reason this time the russian try to do something about the smuggling is the because the Head of this smuggling network, a former Russian minister, lost favor from Putin's gang members, so in the name of anti-corruption they try to arrest this guy and curbing his smuggling network, maybe replace this network with a new one which run by some one from Putin's gang.

Basically the country is a joke and can be considered as a law-less country run by mafia.

mkfk1
Reading this article is a hazel. At least post the source so that those who can read Chinese can read it from the native language.

I always caution Chinese who do business in unfriendly and corrupted territories. Yes, in places like Russia, there is money to be make by export/import..but the business is also risky and corrupted. You need to have plan B and plan C when operating in these sort of countries.
yangliwei
this needs diplomatic intervention from the gov
gov please just do what's right, stop calculating left and right you stupid asses
Eido1on
Dealing with the "black market" is dangerous under any circumstance. The fact that it's Russia makes it worse, since the Chinese government can't do a thing against such a crucial strategic partner. Chinese businessmen just have to deal with it or get out - which would be my advice.
airinfantry
well it looks like their article was a lot of rumour and exaggeration as well.

the truth was they destroyed 22 containers with children shoes which they said were contaminated. the rest are being held until the owners provide documentation to pick them up.
baybal
>the truth was they destroyed 22 containers with children shoes which they said were contaminated. the rest are being held until the owners provide documentation to pick them up.

The truth probably would be that the rest would be just held till the original owners death =D as the most common tactict or it would just suddenly dissapear.

I also heard that the actual overmind of those "curbing" is the SKP also known as the russian goverment's "ministry of bribing".
MyEmpireDDG
QUOTE (airinfantry @ Jun 30 2009, 12:25 AM) *
well it looks like their article was a lot of rumour and exaggeration as well.

the truth was they destroyed 22 containers with children shoes which they said were contaminated. the rest are being held until the owners provide documentation to pick them up.


You have no clue:

The corrupted officials and the mafia force those businessman to import things through their smuggling way, so yes, those stuff now in the hand of russians are illegal (smuggling), therefore they can not provide any legal proof to claim those things, so yes, in a perfect world, Russia government has every right to destory those goods and the businessmen wont be able to reclaim those goods.

The smuggling network basically controls the Russia business back then, but now, due to the Leader of this network, a former senior official in Russian governemt, lose Putin's favor, so his network collapse and he himself now flee to Turkey.

But dont expect Russian now can do honest and legal business, Putin will simply use someone in his gang to replace this network with a new one.

Do you know why all the Russian businessmen are so afraid of Putin? exactly, all of them are part of the illegal business and its really up to Putin with his KGB gang memebers to punish who or award who, depend on Putin's personal preference.

Sure looks like the boss of a mafia kiss.gif
airinfantry
Well, if the Wenzhou merchants really cannot prove they even own the containers, they have some serious responsibility.

the impression from reading the article is the Russians just said, hey you didn't pay customs, So I'm keeping 6000 containers worth $2 billion. this would amount to a huge diplomatic incident.

MyEmpireDDG
QUOTE (airinfantry @ Jun 30 2009, 02:09 PM) *
Well, if the Wenzhou merchants really cannot prove they even own the containers, they have some serious responsibility.

the impression from reading the article is the Russians just said, hey you didn't pay customs, So I'm keeping 6000 containers worth $2 billion. this would amount to a huge diplomatic incident.


In a perfect world, sure, but in a business world things are not perfect, and being a Chinese, of cause we should think from our position, if even we dont seek the ways to benefit ourselves the most, who will.

For such large stock of goods, I think our government should talk with Russia, afterall, at least 80% of the fault is on the russiki side
MiCC
fu-k diplomatic talks, just send in the PLA to deal with the Mafias, let see if they can fu-k with them.
baybal
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Mid-Night_Sun
update?

Chinese merchants to retrieve seized goods in closed Moscow market


MOSCOW, July 30 (Xinhua) -- Chinese merchants will be allowed to retrieve their goods in a closed Moscow market, the head of a Chinese coordination group said on Thursday.

A Chinese coordination group on Thursday discussed with Moscow's consumer department the clearing up of Chinese merchants' stalls in the Cherkizovsky market as well as the transferring of their goods.

The Russian side agreed to take further steps to safeguard the market's order and to work with the Chinese side to crack down on the illegal activities, said Cai Guiru, head of the temporary Chinese coordination group and chairperson of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce in Russia.

It is agreed that Chinese merchants will be allowed to clean up their stalls and ship out their merchandise during a specific period of time every day, Cai said.

The Russian side took "sincere and earnest" attitudes towards the handling of the market closure, in the hope that most of the Chinese merchants will be able to retrieve their goods safely, she said.

This meeting is helpful and the Russian side heard positive opinions from Chinese vendors, said Georgy Smoleyevcky, first deputy head of the Moscow Consumer Market and Services Department.

The Russian side will make conclusions accordingly and give instructions to relevant departments, he said, expressing the hope that complaints from Chinese traders will be less and less in future.

The official also dismissed the speculation that a Chinese shopping mall will be built in the place of the closed Cherkizovsky, Russia's biggest wholesale market.

The coordination group, formed under the auspices of the Chinese embassy in Russia in July, involves heads of China's provincial chambers of commerce.

Russian police abruptly shut down the nearly 300-hectare market in northeastern Moscow on June 29, after the disclosure of various illegal and irregular operations in the market by the Russian Federal Supervision Service for Consumer Rights Protection and People Welfare.

A Chinese senior delegation, led by Vice Minister of Commerce Gao Hucheng, reached broad consensus with the Russian side on the closure issue.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/...nt_11801213.htm
sunt
Gee, your kidding me. That is terrible. You all better let the Chinese merchants know to never send any products to Russia.
Just sell one product at a time through Ebay.
retaxis
QUOTE (MiCC @ Jul 5 2009, 10:32 PM) *
fu-k diplomatic talks, just send in the PLA to deal with the Mafias, let see if they can fu-k with them.

Easy for an ABC like you to say. You won't have to live in a nuclear wasteland called middle kingdom after the $hit hits the fan.
sunt
Chinese in China are pretty smart. I can't imagine that they would be so easily taken by Russians. Even if one did, news would spead like wildfire, and the others would stop sending products to Russia. Why don't they us Ebay and send one product at a time, and get the money first?
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