The Philippines needs to increase its population to 200 million by 2050 to become a strong country. Enough with this population control nonsense. Possessing a big population will mean a bigger market and a stronger military. Overpopulation is not a problem. Proper economic planning is the solution to the ill economy.

Are you insane??
The little islands can barley hold the (almost) 100 Million there are.
Whats more so, like half of the Philippines is made of Squatters.
The Philippines needs to become more industrialized, and more accessible to western countries to be used as cheap labor.
Like China, gain all this money from export. Use it to make the Nation better, then maybe when the Philippines is MORE industrialized it can handle more people.
But the Packed streets of Manila don't need more people as it is.
What is a 15 Minute drive here in Dallas is an hour in Manila.
It's sorta ridiculous.

No problem, 150 million, 200 million. Japan is mostly a piece of icy rock and 120 million live there.

As long they can all be feed and employed, i might even see 200+ million.

The Philippines tried being a sweat shop. And failed. Other Asian countries are even cheaper "cheap labor" nowdays. So now Filipinos have to go abroad and be cheap labor there

They're not really "little islands" If the Philippines had 150 million people, it would be just as crowded as South Korea. There are still many more densley populated countries in this world, and many of those countries are wealthy. I'm not saying it's a good idea to have more people. We have too many poor people as it is. But my point is that the land area is not really the problem.

Quality of life and everything had already gone down too low. I could still see the houses made in the 50's and 60's that are better built than here in the U.S. These are the remaining signs of a happier past. But now houses are made like sh!t. Everything is no longer about comfort, nor beauty, nor durability. It's now about " just to survive".

And it's not only about houses. It's everything. Really everything. You just have to look around and you will see the mess in everything.
Does it make you sad to see kids playing on the streets in beggar's clothes?

Population growth is not bad if the economy and society can catch up with its demands. It's not time yet.

when i visit the philippines, it's mostly the signs of decay, not the just obvious & outright poverty that depresses me most. a terrible tragedy. just adding more people to it will not change it but make it worse. other things will have to change first.

lol, what bunch of retards overpopulation is always bad if anything we need to cut down the population by half maybe 40million.

You're an idiot.

The Philippines can barely support its population of 90 million right now.

Furthermore, population doesn't equal power. Lower IQ people are more likely to have many more kids, and that just makes a dumber nation. Technological innovation is only brought about by the top 5%.

Japan can handle more people because their people are on the whole are a lot more productive, while right now the Philippines is weighed down by what people the already exist.

the last thing the Philippines needs is to double its population

Currently, population is growing faster than the country's economic growth. It should be the other way around.

Welcome to this subforum! Are you related in anyway to Suzuka who is conspicuously absent these days?


marahil nga'y wala kang pusong pinoy o di ka tunay na pinoy sa puso't diwa kaya wala kang malasakit sa mga masang pinoy at parang tingin mo sa mga masang pinoy o mga mahihirap na tao o salat sa pinag-aralan ay mga mababang klaseng nilalang. ang buhay natin dito'y panandalian lamang at maaring sa kabilang buhay ay matikman mo ang buhay nila o mabaligtad ang iyong kalagayan.

from what you said, it reminds me of someone who is the founder of wwf who is a member of the british aristocrat. the said prince once said that if reincarnation is true, he would reincarnate as a virus that will kill many people. these elites and the technoquacks believed the global warming hoax and the malthusian theories. In line with these, are the depopulation programs, they are said to be currently implementing. infact, there is a shrine in america, which conspiracy theorists said, is the zionist protocol the elites are following including the depopulation agenda: 2/3 of the population must go or something like that... if this is true, such evil greedy hypocrites these elites are.

Just when is overpopulation not a problem??? Get real, the Philippines can't even handle its current population. Have you drank water from Pasig???

There are good conspiracy theories u know, but that u just posted is just so fukken dumb

There are some truths to it but you are blind to see. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

yeah yeah watever, got anymore conspiracy theory fairy tale to tell us?? ppppffffftttt!!!!

LOL i have some to tell: just google "Bohemian grove " and "bilderberger group" and enjoy ... if that's not enough, read Sterling Seagraves "Gold Warriors".

Remember conspiracy theories, just like the real news, have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Most of the time it's a shell game (even though the facts are genuine) you never know WHY somebody is telling you this or what the "spin" is.

Two ideas have been presented.
1. The Philippines needs to double its population by 2050. I did not say double the population in 2009. It is hoped at this time, the country has progressed fast and far enough to handle a bigger population.

2. In order to arrive at the highest level of economic vigor, the country must start enacting radical sociopolitical and socioeconomic structural reforms. Some ideas have been presented in my other topic. Please refer to The Philippines Should Adopt Successive 5 Year Industrialization Programs.

China was able to uplift half a billion of its population out of stifling poverty in a generation. Why could not we?

yesterday i was reading on the timawa forum that the Philippines has received its first 3 locally designed patrol boats (MPACs).

Sure, at first they didn't look that special at all, but the fact that they were designed to better specs than any foreign manufacturers in the Philippines was somehow uplifting (but not yet built there, but the next ones sure will be).

I hope there is more where that came from, the ingenuity & industriousness and it will be put to good use for the Filipino people (not against each other, like in the past).

Erh... please..., Philippines doesn't have to go "Indonesian way" in this case (I mean about this over 200 million population thing)...

Yes its a huge and potential market
Yes its "strong" in term of able bodied population available to be draft and serve in military force
Yes its internal trade and national domestic consumption itself can generate domestic demand and market, quite immune to global crisis unlike such export oriented nations.

But huge population also have bigger trouble, bigger risk, and harder to handle too.
Large human population could cause hard impacts to nature and ecology. Human push too hard and put too much pressure on nature... to such extreeme that one might view human can be viewed as parasitic cancer to the planet. Smaller population can be prosperous and advance too... Look at Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and small European nations...

in fact i was just checking up on wiki how many people live on Java. I don't we can or should get there.

But the logic behind that during and after economic development you have to push for increased population growth otherwise you end up like Japan, Italy and the USA (without immigration) low birth rates, absolute demographic shift downwards that can't be repaired for several generations.

Oh hotdamn I see the great rational: reaching 200 million people we can start killing each other for food. It's like Malthusian cannibalism. The OP is has such great wisdom.

My rational is I want to see the Philippines become a superpower in its own right.
Filipinos have a lot of talent that yet needs to be brought under condition. Filipinos underestimate themselves too much.

Matagal tagal na rin tayong alila ng mga dayuhan. Ang kasiyahan na lang ba ng mga Pilipino ay makatungo sa ibang bansa o silang ati'y pagsilbihan. Nagsimula ito nang tayo ay mahulog sa kamay ng mga Espanol. Sumunod ang mga Amerikano tapos ang bansang Hapon. At sa ngayong panahon, sa aking tingin ay nalalapit na tayong makuha ng imperyo ng Tsina.
Marami akong nababasang mga topic dito sa forum na ito. Halimbawa
1. US or China?
2. ASEAN Nations unite to deter china
3. Pro US
4. Pro China
5. Philippines becoming a Russian ally
Ito na lang ba ang tingin natin sa ating sarili. Wala nang ibang choice kundi either US or China or some other imperialist power to ally with? I would like to offer another option. We should render our loyalty to nobody else but ourselves. We need to, rather we must make ourselves powerful economically and militarily. Im not about to succumb to the Chinese without a fight.

Kailangan din nating palakasin ang ating sarili kung gusto ninyong makuha ang Sabah, Spatleys, atbp teritoryo. At isa pa, ang Malaysia ay mataas ang birthrate lalo na ng mga muslim nitong citizen dahil alam ng Malaysia na kapag lumakas ang Pilipinas, tapos na and pagaari nila ng Sabah. Kung alam ko lang, ang mga Malaysians ay tumutulong sa mga terorista sa Mindanao para maliko ang ating pansin sa pagkuha ng Sabah.

We are being laughed at all the world round. But if we become strong, and I mean very strong, any outside power will think twice before they plant their flag to the land our ancestors.

Mahirap sabihin, but the more you support the poor, the more you encourage people to become poor. I'm not saying that the poor should be shunned. But they should be made to realize that "being poor is a bad thing". Not "blessed" like what the catholic church is saying.

Just a piece of my observation, I noticed that in Philippine society, the poor is proud of their "poorness" and equate it as being "holy".

Philippine movies never fail to portray the rich as the villain and the poor as the hero.

having a large population won't help much in modern warfare. there's Tsar Bomba class of nuclear warheads, which is 3000 times more powerful than the one dropped on japan. each bomb can kill 10 millions people or more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxD44HO8dNQ...feature=related

From what i understand Iran is in the middle of a big uprising rite now so Suzuka may have his hands full if he is still in Tehran

piglett

it's more hype than an uprising

China wished its population is not in billions. And you want the Philippines to be overpopulated like China?

China was able to uplift a lot of its people from poverty because their communist government can manage their economy much better than the democractic Philippine government.

1. US or China?
2. ASEAN Nations unite to deter china
3. Pro US
4. Pro China
5. Philippines becoming a Russian ally
6. Luzon must separate from the Philippines
7. The Philippines must change the Philippine Flag
8. Pro Iran

No, in fact the Philippines has not exhausted its choice of allies to promote the national interest and stop Chinese imperialism.

I think we should ally ourselves with Martians, Time-Travelling Vampire Zombies from the Future, Jews in Space and Ewoks. They will surely understand the plight of the Philippines /sarcasm off

Yes there's HUGE population living in urban areas on Java... Traffic jam is hell.. But we still have those sleepy quiet villages in rural parts of Java...

Yeah.., I learn abou that "old" and "young" country things... If you want to learn which groups your country belongs, just hangin out in capital city square. If there's a lot of young family bringing their childrens playing kites or ball, you got yourself a young country. But if it dominated with old folks basking under morning sun and gossiping, your country's demographic is old... Actually this is what happening in Japan and European countries... Japan even planning on importing foreign medical workers and nurses to treat their growing numbers of elderly folks...

I think both Indonesia and Phillippines belongs to the category "young" nation, and its good because its growing...

Yeah, i notice the difference here too. There are still many children, but also very many older people. The specific problem is not that there is not a labor shortage at the moment, but that the pension system will be unpayable (especially if there is a recession) in 50+ years because then there are too few people to be even taxed, especially since fewer people can only be having fewer children. You can't suddenly mandate every family to have 4 or 5 kids

Philippines and Indonesia are "young countries", and actually have the natural resources to support their populations or even more -better than the industrialized nations like Japan, which hardly has natural resources . But some factors in economics and politcs are not helpful in developing them properly.

good remark!

increasing the general education with a wide (non-specializing) focus can help.
give much attention on physical matters plus positive aspects of various cultures (like lyndon larouche is advocating "renaissance" and physical economy).

we can consider all these allegations, names, connections, and secret plans, BUT should become be very free in our minds to create our own positive visions that will have to become stronger than that stuff. not be tricked into false conclusions and the next cheap agenda.

bilderberger to me as a european means the french revolution has not been completed.
- the prerogative of the blue-booded has not been abandoned in most parts of europe. and still today no chance to do that. new nobility of global finance has added to that class. BUT not all are bad. just we need more participatory ways of running our countries. we need ENTRANCE to these tables! they are basically non-democratic, which is the true message.
and remember the falling-out between mr. chavez and the spanish king! why can a european king (of a democracy?!!) have any say at all in an international congress?
when we compare the blue-blooded and financial elites of europe with the chinese governmental elite (and please continue to investigate into this much more deeply than I can do) then we may find some parallels but the chinese seem (by some influence from mao plus confucious) to focus on expertise and duty towards the country and the _whole_ population on a better level than the europeans.
- the french revolution did mainly achieve something for white french citizens. no one else. others just tried to follow these footsteps without understanding the real shortfall. now the french have their quagmire with angry africans in their banlieus / ethnic districts... and every other metropole has the same growing problem. note that this is totally different from the american racial divide.

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I can understand this, but please note that it will be quite difficult informational work to make the bigger world understand this motivation, otherwise they may fall into some fear of an alleged expansionism and imperialism sitting within filipino power elites.

in fact we need filipino expertise and human skills to take part in the processes of development also in the west!

further, the global geometry of balance would look very good, when we have on one level
- EU europe including developing eastern europe, as a force of culture, modernity and technology that is not monolithic but maintains diversity
- an ASEAN bloc including the philippines on the asian side of the paradigm of development, culture and technology, with the great values of versatility and diversity, and the weight of population and traditional culture. we need cooperation, mutual learning, and inspiring competition among these two.
- south america including the development of the bolivarian countries that will manage to overcome the wounds of colonialism (that is their most valuable message and example)
and on the other level
- northern america
- china
- russia
and on a third level
- africa and the arab world



because they don't fear a revolution and don't mind that they are the target of massive complaining and bickering.
next morning after movie night, people will go to work like every other day and struggle like ever.

we need to see two sides of catholicism.
- compare crime and murder rate in the squatters of las pinas (which is to the bigger part inner-ethnic) with the crime rate a) in white squatters of the west (where many people become neo-nazis) and b) the crime rate in ethnic ghettoes of western metropoles.
from many documentaries, and independent sources like youtube comments and also this forum, I believe that the christian belief in the philippines under comparable hard conditions does help to lower crime rate and cruelty. there is a number of very crass cases but violence seems not that deadly mass phenomenon on the brute level than elsewhere.
there may be a conflict and a fight and revenge, which all has some history and logic. but violence in western ghettoes and inner cities seems to explode in a total irrational way. there is just no reason at all, except hatred and full disrespect for everything and everyone, in the hearts and minds. it is also a matter of a broken connection between youth and parents! plz consider this very seriously.

- religion is used by the ruling classes and oligarchies, to calm down voices that call for more justice and improvement.
but in the long run this will not work because it is a contradiction. we see this now in iran.



yay ! congratulations !!
we really need the strength of your country and culture on eye-height!

Most of the conspiracy theories themselves are coming from the rumor mills of the negative forces and agents of the NWO themselves so as to confuse the faithful. Unless one will have spiritual discernment, one might fall to the trap of the polarity games they played. So now, the majority of the people that will be reading this stuff will consider all this stuff as pure baloney alltogether being deceived by the incredulous claims and never finding out some kernels of truth burried and mixed with lots of lies and deceits like aliens, Dracos, UFO's, Planet X etc. That even a seeker of truth and of higher realities can be deceived.


I agree totally.



They are all not bad of course. The Original Templars and Initiates and Noble elites are good guys. But as the ages past, the original arcane sciences and teachings of the masters who were sent by the Divine Providence got diluted, blurred and corrupted with the human egos which are imperfect. Considering the universal polarity rules of good and evil, active and passive, light and shadow, this original arcane teachings or sciences that were taught by the masters can serve good as well as bad purposes. Let us take the example of a knife, an object that virtually ought to be used for cutting bread only, which, however, can become a dangerous weapon in the hands of a murderer. All depends on the character of the individual.
Now, the mere mention of secret societies, conjured to the minds of the many as those practicing black art, witchcraft or conspiracy with evil powers. One can think of Hitler for e.g. who was a member of a sinister brotherhood, which was simply the external instrument of a group of powerful black adepts which used the members of the occult group for their own purposes. And this was confirmed by none other than their own opponent whom they persecuted, a very High Initiate of the Brotherhood. This Brotherhood btw holds assembly at the etheric Shambhala. And I am not talking about the physical Shambhala whom Pol Kekai Manansala speculated is the Philippines(plausible IMO). Now, do we have in our present time, another one being groomed to be an antichrist, a Hitler in the making?

In esoterics and I'm not speaking of conspiracy theories. There is duality in everything and there must be balance everywhere. For e.g., in the spiritual hierarchy, there is the positive forces and there is corresponding negative forces. All working in perfect harmony. Fundamentally speaking, there are no such things as good or bad; they are nothing but human conceptions. In the Universe there is neither good nor evil, because everything has been created according to immutable rules, wherein the Divine Principle is reflected. In the end, to the Pure One all things are pure.

200 million is still far away

your post made me think of the movie idiocracy. LoL

What! So we could export more maids and laborers?
Not that there's anything wrong with them, but come on.

Quality over quantity.

Filipinos year 2512

too bad corrupt govt officials are selling off the right to harvest philippine resources to countries like australia for their own purposes

I oppose such deals as I am thinking the bigger part is not fair.
this is one of the reasons I am interested to be here and learn to understand people and opinions.
the other is singers like beautiful yeng

these deals, when done with the force of corruption, and not from a decision with expertise and democratic consent, will create a non-sustainable situation.
one side will learn to comsume way too much of resources, and the other side will suffer from destruction and then can not be helpful on an upcoming crisis. in the end this will create hostility.

we should have laws that forbid a company to make a deal when the seller is supported strongly by corrupt politicians (needs to be formulated in a more coherent and international law-speak way).
at least some anti-corruption measures are under way in the west, because of severe inner friction that includes the accumulation of "bubbles". thses attempts should be generalzed to protect developing economies also.

In the West, there is no corruption, only bailouts

In the Philippines: Crony Capitalism vs. Nepotism

LOL I won't digress..

finally, after months of crisis talk, the common man here is realizing we are on the best way to visit you (structurally), and even there is growth of poverty in some rural areas, esp. like the kosovo.

I posted the crony link in my regular german forum immediately (not that it is new, but the german language explanations are not that concise and this is hitting the nail)

now we can't look the other way any more.
just it's all so networked and we don't know how to force change, and who at all will do better.
the EU could become the mirror image of the phils, but like a wheel one goes up the other side goes down and its us..
still complaining from a high level and must learn at least to manage in a sustainable way with some autarky.
the mistake was we did too little to seek our own ways. and many attempts to connect with the eastern world were seemingly punished from "above" ... which means not heaven.

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btw
crony capitalism is a heritage of the feudal era and has the purpose to enforce and guarantee loyalty, because punishment of wrongdoers then will stay an inner-family matter.
just after some number of generations the "good kings" seem to play darwin and die out...

and send some to Orchid Island and North Sulawesi so we can reclaim those lands and also to Sabah so that it will be a part of our country...

Ok i will do my part to help & take 1 pinay with me to the usa


piglett