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ttocs
Just saw this picture from angryasianman.com.
It was taken in Oakland, CA in 1969.
Do you think Asian/black unity still exist today?

FrenchVanillaNYC
Interesting pic, I think I've seen it before. Have any words to add to the topic?

I guess Shabali and I are an example of "Asian and Black unity" laugh.gif
ttocs
QUOTE (FrenchVanillaNYC @ Jul 14 2009, 01:53 PM) *
Interesting pic, I think I've seen it before. Have any words to add to the topic?

I guess Shabali and I are an example of "Asian and Black unity" laugh.gif


icon_smile.gif good for ya both.
FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (ttocs @ Jul 14 2009, 01:56 PM) *
icon_smile.gif good for ya both.

Lol


So what was the pic posted for?

I'm not sure how to comment without words. laugh.gif
Shabali
QUOTE (ttocs @ Jul 14 2009, 01:51 PM) *

Wow never saw this pic before. Unity is key! biggthumpup.gif

QUOTE (FrenchVanillaNYC @ Jul 14 2009, 01:53 PM) *
Interesting pic, I think I've seen it before. Have any words to add to the topic?

I guess Shabali and I are an example of "Asian and Black unity" laugh.gif

biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Yes we are! laugh.gif
duytanfan
black people were kind to immigrants who settle in the united states. they have seen the worst of discrimination so they never wish it upon others.
Pink Cream
QUOTE (duytanfan @ Jul 15 2009, 02:50 PM) *
black people were kind to immigrants who settle in the united states. they have seen the worst of discrimination so they never wish it upon others.

tell that to gang of blacks who beat up a teenage filipino girl on a bus for being asian embarassedlaugh.gif
JakeCutter
Tell that to the store owners in Korea Town.
Shabali
QUOTE (Pink Cream @ Jul 15 2009, 11:38 AM) *
tell that to gang of blacks who beat up a teenage filipino girl on a bus for being asian embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE (JakeCutter @ Jul 15 2009, 11:45 AM) *
Tell that to the store owners in Korea Town.

There are many other gangs of different ethnicity, who attack random people. Either for gang initiations or jacking/ robbing. I know, coz I use to be in one. So how you gonna blame a whole group of people, when it's only a few..
FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (Shabali @ Jul 15 2009, 12:14 PM) *
There are many other gangs of different ethnicity, who attack random people. Either for gang initiations or jacking/ robbing. I know, coz I use to be in one. So how you gonna blame a whole group of people, when it's only a few..

Stop trying to use LOGIC, Shabali. Some people aren't used to such a foreign concept on this site and the general idea of LOGIC and anything associated with it frightens them. Baby steps, Shabali. icon_redface.gif


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Do you think Asian/black unity still exist today?

I can show you lots of forms of cultural appreciation from both sides. I don't know what specifically to start with though.

Generally the more knowledgeable a person is about a certain culture, the more respect a person has for that culture. It's mostly those that aren't very aware of a certain group that make the most outrageous claims and take the most extreme stances (also those who can't properly use LOGIC).
JakeCutter
Haha, I kid. Don't go getting your panties in a bunch. badteeth.gif
metalhead
I've never heard of any recent Asian/Black unity. What could we possibly be uniting against.
boobu
QUOTE (Shabali @ Jul 15 2009, 12:14 PM) *
There are many other gangs of different ethnicity, who attack random people. Either for gang initiations or jacking/ robbing. I know, coz I use to be in one. So how you gonna blame a whole group of people, when it's only a few..


it's not all people but you are naive if you think the only people who are racist or prejudiced are just in gangs. lol




boobu
QUOTE (FrenchVanillaNYC @ Jul 15 2009, 12:24 PM) *
Stop trying to use LOGIC, Shabali. Some people aren't used to such a foreign concept on this site and the general idea of LOGIC and anything associated with it frightens them. Baby steps, Shabali. icon_redface.gif



I can show you lots of forms of cultural appreciation from both sides. I don't know what specifically to start with though.

Generally the more knowledgeable a person is about a certain culture, the more respect a person has for that culture. It's mostly those that aren't very aware of a certain group that make the most outrageous claims and take the most extreme stances (also those who can't properly use LOGIC).


i don't agree it has anything to do with respect for a culture. someone can learn about a culture and still not care for it or appreciate it. it just may not be their cup of tea.

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black people were kind to immigrants who settle in the united states. they have seen the worst of discrimination so they never wish it upon others.


thanks for the comedy. that was a hoot.
Atari400
No.

Just no.

Blacks, "aka" African Americans, for the most part hate Asians, Middle Easterners, Hispanics/Latinos and even recent European immigrants to the nth degree.

That is just reality. There view of reality, based on jealousy... icon_redface.gif
TruthDoesntHurt
Dont know how to say this to you, Frenchie, but no, you are not Black.
You dont look Black and you dont fit as a Black person. It just doesn't match.

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Asian/ Black unity?
Why should there be such an unity. First I think it is better to solidify intra-Asian unity, then think about other things.
FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (boobu @ Jul 19 2009, 02:52 PM) *
it's not all people but you are naive if you think the only people who are racist or prejudiced are just in gangs. lol

I think he was just responding to what was said about gangs earlier.

QUOTE (boobu @ Jul 19 2009, 02:55 PM) *
i don't agree it has anything to do with respect for a culture. someone can learn about a culture and still not care for it or appreciate it. it just may not be their cup of tea.

The only people who GENUINELY learn about a culture and come out without some kind of respect for it are stubborn bigots in denial and people who have a hard time mentally piecing things together (and I am certainly not talking about idiots who have been taught spatterings of things here and there and figure that it means they now are experts...which accounts for a lot of people unfortunately). All cultures have a degree of commonality, so to not have an appreciation for at least the commonality if nothing else shows that a person just isn't open enough to see the broader picture. That's pitiful.
Most cultures are too complex for the entire culture to not be someone's "cup of tea". You're not choosing what to wear for dinner, you're observing another culture.

QUOTE (Atari400 @ Jul 19 2009, 06:30 PM) *
No.

Just no.

Blacks, "aka" African Americans, for the most part hate Asians, Middle Easterners, Hispanics/Latinos and even recent European immigrants to the nth degree.

That is just reality. There view of reality, based on jealousy... icon_redface.gif

How would you know who black Americans hate for the most part? African-Americans aren't the ones who are limited to being able to harbor xenophobia, many Americans in general are xenophobes, hidden or not. Some people don't like immigrants, some people don't mind. It can't really be put on the level of Afro-Americans vs. immigrants, all countries have xenophobes. It doesn't mean that everyone is like that.

QUOTE (TruthDoesntHurt @ Jul 20 2009, 12:28 AM) *
Dont know how to say this to you, Frenchie, but no, you are not Black.
You dont look Black and you dont fit as a Black person. It just doesn't match.

If I have 4 black grandparents and no pure non-black ancestors for about 5 generations on both sides of my family, what exactly does that make me?
How can I not "fit" as a black person? What exactly constitutes a black person in your opinion? Do you know how much variation there is between "blacks"?
Atari400
QUOTE (FrenchVanillaNYC @ Jul 20 2009, 07:27 AM) *
How would you know who black Americans hate for the most part? African-Americans aren't the ones who are limited to being able to harbor xenophobia, many Americans in general are xenophobes, hidden or not. Some people don't like immigrants, some people don't mind. It can't really be put on the level of Afro-Americans vs. immigrants, all countries have xenophobes. It doesn't mean that everyone is like that.


It is called experience. You get treated poorly enough, you learn.

Someday you will grow up, get a job, move out of your parents house, and see what I mean. beerchug.gif
FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (Atari400 @ Jul 20 2009, 01:07 PM) *
It is called experience. You get treated poorly enough, you learn.

Someday you will grow up, get a job, move out of your parents house, and see what I mean. beerchug.gif

Your experience can't possibly be enough to pass judgment on what entire groups think or do not think. In your lifetime, you probably haven't had personal encounters with more than a few hundred black Americans out of the millions that exist. It's your assumptions that make you think you can speak for more than what you know, just like you hastily decided to make assumptions about me just now without knowing thing the first about any of what you just said.
Atari400
QUOTE (FrenchVanillaNYC @ Jul 20 2009, 01:29 PM) *
Your experience can't possibly be enough to pass judgment on what entire groups think or do not think. In your lifetime, you probably haven't had personal encounters with more than a few hundred black Americans out of the millions that exist. It's your assumptions that make you think you can speak for more than what you know, just like you hastily decided to make assumptions about me just now without knowing thing the first about any of what you just said.


Oh, come on now boy...Get real.

You are now showing your own "prejudice" and lack of experience. embarassedlaugh.gif

I've been dealing with Black Folks since long before you were born. I believe in calling a spade and spade, and so do they.

Ah, good music, by the way!
FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (Atari400 @ Jul 20 2009, 02:10 PM) *
Oh, come on now boy...Get real.

You are now showing your own "prejudice" and lack of experience. embarassedlaugh.gif

I've been dealing with Black Folks since long before you were born. I believe in calling a spade and spade, and so do they.

Ah, good music, by the way!

Maybe if you stop assuming long enough, you'll realize that there's more to things than just what you've experienced. I don't doubt you've had some experience with black people, it's just that your experiences aren't all there is to it.
afewminutesofyourlife
Why would there be a specific asian and black unity? What purpose would that serve?

Why not just unite all people together under a one world government?
TruthDoesntHurt
QUOTE (FrenchVanillaNYC @ Jul 20 2009, 06:27 AM) *
If I have 4 black grandparents and no pure non-black ancestors for about 5 generations on both sides of my family, what exactly does that make me?
How can I not "fit" as a black person? What exactly constitutes a black person in your opinion? Do you know how much variation there is between "blacks"?


Maybe because it's because of the USA old rule of "one drop rule", so actually your lineage in the past is actually more white but your ancestors were forced to adopt Black self-identity.

Nowadays I think we can be more progressive and abandon "one drop rule"

In my opinion you look whiter than Mariah Carey, and even her, as a kid I used to think Mariah Carey is a Caucasian. But you look even whiter than her, so I dont think you can pass as a Black person.

Just my feedback........
FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (TruthDoesntHurt @ Jul 20 2009, 09:31 PM) *
Maybe because it's because of the USA old rule of "one drop rule", so actually your lineage in the past is actually more white but your ancestors were forced to adopt Black self-identity.

Nowadays I think we can be more progressive and abandon "one drop rule"

In my opinion you look whiter than Mariah Carey, and even her, as a kid I used to think Mariah Carey is a Caucasian. But you look even whiter than her, so I dont think you can pass as a Black person.

Just my feedback........

My family lineage is not more Euro than African. Trust me. We're like most other African American families, most have been mixed to different degrees over the centuries (mainly with Western European, West African, and to some extent Native American in a lot of cases). If you run into the average African-American, most have at least one if not a few light relatives that picked up certain traits, dark relatives that picked up certain traits, and a lot of relatives that fall somewhere in between. It's why there's a visible difference between a lot of African Americans and continental Africans. We're not genetically the same at this point for the most part. 30% of African-American males can't even trace their African ancestry because their Y DNA goes back to Europe (this doesn't mean they don't have African ancestry, it just means that they need to analyze their mothers' DNA to trace African ancestry and can't do it through their own).

And I do not look whiter than Mariah Carey. Now you're just being extreme. embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

Like I said, I don't know why it's up for debate whether I can pass as a Black person when I've already said I have 4 black grandparents and no pure non-blacks in my ancestry for like 5 generations on both sides of the family. confused.gif
LyingPigFromNowhere
QUOTE (ttocs @ Jul 14 2009, 12:51 PM) *
Just saw this picture from angryasianman.com.
It was taken in Oakland, CA in 1969.
Do you think Asian/black unity still exist today?


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me4tw
Well my personal opinion is that if you are in America, and you are pro-America, then you are a good guy! And if you are not primarily pro-America, then GET THE F### OUT OF AMERICA!

This black/Asia thing is obviously just a media stunt some people came up with in the past. If you are someone who clings onto some kind of meaning here then I am sorry but you need to learn to stand on your own two feet and be proud of it!
FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (me4tw @ Aug 7 2009, 11:15 AM) *
This black/Asia thing is obviously just a media stunt some people came up with in the past. If you are someone who clings onto some kind of meaning here then I am sorry but you need to learn to stand on your own two feet and be proud of it!

What exactly are you talking about?
me4tw
^The photo further up in the thread, it has a sign in it saying "yellow peril supports black power".

And this signifies a bond between the non-american Asian (yellow peril, not nice america who happens to be asian ethnic) and non-american black (black power, not nice american who happens to be african-american ethnicly). You may think that this is understandable in the past as many americans didn't want asians or blacks to stand beside them as americans.

Then I go on to say this:
If you are looking back on this photo today, and getting your hopes up, then you have a mental issue but you are not dealing with it correctly, it is a kind of mental cop-out. I think that if you can be proud and complacent in the fact that you are an American citizen then you're a good guy. And if you can't then you shouldn't be in america, because that is the very definition of a nation. So if you don't see yourself as part of it, then get out of it and stop holding other people back!
iluvlamp
QUOTE (FrenchVanillaNYC @ Aug 7 2009, 11:12 AM) *
What exactly are you talking about?


don't listen to him. He's from st0rmfront. He thinks black people can get away with anything and have too much power.
CandyGirl
There is no such thing as black & Asian unity. What the hell we need to unite for? Asian do a good job imitating and assimilating into white culture. There is no need for Black and Asian unity. By the way, deep down we really don't like each other. I'm not saying this about all Asians because I do think there can be a degree of peace with some philipinos, vietnamese, cambodians, loatians, and some people from Thailand. Chinese people are not so bad if you get to know them. But in general, we don't need to unite and it is best for us to keep our distance from each other.
CandyGirl
QUOTE (TruthDoesntHurt @ Jul 20 2009, 08:31 PM) *
Maybe because it's because of the USA old rule of "one drop rule", so actually your lineage in the past is actually more white but your ancestors were forced to adopt Black self-identity.

Nowadays I think we can be more progressive and abandon "one drop rule"

In my opinion you look whiter than Mariah Carey, and even her, as a kid I used to think Mariah Carey is a Caucasian. But you look even whiter than her, so I dont think you can pass as a Black person.

Just my feedback........

There is no one drop rule. The one drop rule was given to avoid whites from breeding with other whites who may have black ancestry; it had nothing to do with black people. You people are fools to think Black Americans only have one drop of African blood. We may have one drop of white blood or one drop of native American blood, but we have a gazillion drops of African blood.
lilasiankid
QUOTE (ttocs @ Jul 14 2009, 12:51 PM) *
Just saw this picture from angryasianman.com.
It was taken in Oakland, CA in 1969.
Do you think yellow peril and black power still exist today?



Fixed embarassedlaugh.gif

Btw who are the guys in uniform? They are neither Asian or Black. embarassedlaugh.gif
FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (CandyGirl @ Aug 18 2009, 11:38 AM) *
There is no such thing as black & Asian unity. What the hell we need to unite for? Asian do a good job imitating and assimilating into white culture. There is no need for Black and Asian unity. By the way, deep down we really don't like each other. I'm not saying this about all Asians because I do think there can be a degree of peace with some philipinos, vietnamese, cambodians, loatians, and some people from Thailand. Chinese people are not so bad if you get to know them. But in general, we don't need to unite and it is best for us to keep our distance from each other.

About keeping distance...if this is your motto why did you join an Asian site? Either you're not what you say you are, or you have some serious time on your hands.
jrockerz
QUOTE (me4tw @ Aug 7 2009, 11:15 AM) *
Well my personal opinion is that if you are in America, and you are pro-America, then you are a good guy! And if you are not primarily pro-America, then GET THE F### OUT OF AMERICA!


this is america
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