I found this quote somewhere else. Do you agree this is true or is it unfair? and if so please explain.

hi white-washed retard.

Yes, I used to speak only Chinese but now I only speak only English. No lie but English is a much better language than Chinese. Now it hurts my ears when I hear people speaking Chinese. Don't laugh.

if you can't debate it, that's tantamount to agreeing with the opinion. i never said i believe it or not. i wanted to know how asians viewed this and what kind of counterargument they could come up with.

if there are reasons to counter this opinion and asians can't, that means they are white-washed because they can't even see where it's biased.

what retard said that? Yeah, so drinking tea, eating noodles, having respect for elders, being clean, etc...are "western" traits?

I'm glad that asians have not adopted such REAL western traits like: arrogance, false "politically correctness", colonization, listening to country music, hypocrisy.....

It's unfair to make that assumption.

What "race" is being hijacked? Everything is relevent to eachother around the world and ideas and "culture" constantly evolve and change as people come into contact with eachother.

If people want to draw lines, then you can say "Western Culture" was been imposed on Asia. The West could not be what it is today if it had never made contact with the East and vice versa.

We are all one under the sky.

this is something that's not taken seriously. western culture doesn't consider the contact with the east significant and has little to nothing significant to do with their culture or technology as they see it.

boobu = idiot

you call me an idiot for basically telling you something you don't want to hear like sticking your head in the sand.

you don't realize whites think asians are copying them, that they don't have creativity, that they are not as intelligent or inventive as whites?

if none of this is true. why is it so easy for whites to believe this?

It's called ignorance. You may have noticed History is not everyone's favorite subject.

We live in a time when the Western part of the world has prospered from the East and the tides are turning as the East is recovering and getting back on it's feet. Many people cannot accept it.

What an idiot.

excuse me? that quote was made by someone else.

you make insults without explaining what it is you find idiotic. maybe you can't figure out how to debate it and that really irks you. lol

and yet CNN wonders if Asian students are smarter lol

Every culture copies from another. Look at how many things white culture has stolen from blacks? We wouldn't have pop music if it weren't for them. So accusing asians of stealing is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Sadly some asians are to blame for believing that "asian culture copies western culture". They in turn, reinforce this stereotype.

True that. We humans are all family.

You're too consume with how the west think.
Screw the west. They suck. Their women don't know how to cook.
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Modern Asian cultures are not copies of Western cultures. They are, however, products of contact with Western cultures.

The exceptional accomplishments of the West in recent years is not to be understated. Whether this has a racial component is unclear, but as thinkers, we should at least be able to analyze the cultural components of this dominance: emphasis on personal ambition, obsession with truth, healthy respect for innovation, belief in rationality, and pursuit of progress (change).

Asians should reflect on the benefits of these traits, and endeavor to change themselves not so that they can emulate the West, but so that they can improve themselves.

The guy is obviously a major bigot...
But there is truth to it. Asians these days look up to western culture way too much.
If you go to Seoul or Tokyo, you hardly see anyone wearing their traditional clothing. They're all dolled up in frills and bows, miniskirts, cardigans, dresses, suits, etc.
And everyone inserting random English phrases into everything. They're clueless. They have no idea how ridiculous this is until they actually go out West.

Probably one of the biggest problems is pop culture.
Most musicians and songwriters these days are not concerned with quality or originality. It seems all they want is money and popularity. And many of the celebs being as dumb as rocks themselves, they don't give a damn about producing original, culturally relevant stuff.
I mean, what's with all those remakes of western pop songs? Why are they so into them? I mean, it's okay to enjoy foreign art from time to time, but what about your OWN culture? Why can't they take a look at traditional songs, and put a new spin on them?

East Asians (or maybe just Koreans) have always been too conformist and too class-conscious. Whether it's grades, wages, or cultural values, they always seem to form a hierarchy out of everything. Right now it's the "West" at the top.

On the other hand, westerners copy Asians too. Look at:
- "kimono-style" shirts, dresses, etc. (basically ugly, shiny shirts with the cross collar)
- bathrobes (which were inspired by kimonos)
- chopsticks-in-the-hair fashion (sometimes the chopsticks are substituted with pencils, markers, etc., but the idea is all the same)
- Vegans (they eat tofu - plus the idea of not eating meat at all is just totally un-American...)
- all the stuff with karma, yoga, meditation, and relaxing the mind and spirit
- the success of martial arts schools in the West
- tattoos involving Chinese characters, dragons, tigers, etc.

great post. you make a really good and important point especially using the example of traditional music and putting a spin on it. i really don't understand why the east is taking everything western so literally. along the lines of technology exchange is understandable of course. i really like traditional music when i hear it and i find it very beautiful and unique. this is the heart of asia's cultural music and it's roots. there is no reason to be ashamed of it or dismiss it to the side. it would make sense to make this the centerpoint and put a new spin on it. cultural exchange is about adding flavor and inspiring a new way of doing or implementing things. i really agree that the east has really had an unbalanced attitude toward cultural influence and are not being as creative as they could be making sure their culture still remains mostly the centerpoint. the west is already there, how much better it would be if asia brought their culture up to the modern world to share and redefine it rather than just barely with letting the west redefine them in almost every conceivable way. this i find not only a bit sad but strange and abnormal. i hear a faint aspect of what's unique about asian culture in some of their 'pop' music which is a shame because it should be more than that and could be so beautiful and new. i think asians undervalue their culture more than they realize or admit and that is a major problem for most of them. asians in some ways are too humble.

Alot of modern ideas came from the West. People are naturally creatures of adaptation and when the winds shift they will go with it. Communication and exchange of new ideas is everything in our world. When it comes to music, there is a long history of it's evolution into what we have today. Now we have mix of every sort of music convention from all over the world in our modern songs. There's plenty of unique Asian pop music incorporating traditional elements. Not to mention many modern musicians are masters of traditional instruments and/or singing.

hmm, but it's not really how you make it. i see more western in asian culture today. and whatever about the music shows that they aren't making anything new and redefined coming out of asian culture because it's predominantly western almost all the way. this is what's obvious, this is why whites can make statements such as the op. But just as there is some truth to the point that asians copy a lot or 'seem' to more than others. there is some truth to these observations about whites. whites have the most neonazi type organizations and movements around the world and can be easily found online. as a counter example, you would be hard pressed to find an asian one. you would think that would have been formed long ago considering relative history between whites and asians as well as white military occupation in asia. to say we are all have the same characteristics to the same degree is bull$hit. whites, indeed, collectively do have much more of a serious racist streak. period. no matter what the japanese fu-king did. they are an anomaly among asians anyways. it's interesting to note that white nationalists identify with japanese more so than any other asian ethnicity. coincidence much? probably not.

i do not agree that asians copy A LOT from western culture. LIke I said, every culture copies from another. Pop music and hip hop dancing in "white" societies are absulutely copied from blacks. So if asians are "copying" western pop music than they would actually be copying blacks as well. Not to mention the new age health food soy obsessed craze which was copied from asians. I think the west is copying more and more from asian society whether it be food, anime, videogames, technology, culture, fashion trends, etc....The whole "weeabo" craze is very popular in canada and europe and starting to become more popular in the US. You cannot ignore these patterns.

There is no such thing as Western culture.

there is such a thing as an autistic idiot.

now that's a good point, especially regarding the soy/new age health food craze.



translation: i don't know how to debate, formulate a valid counterargument or viewpoint so i result to insults when i'm irked with nothing more to add. it's ironic that your post consitutes the singlemindedness of the autistic idiot. lol

I don't think that the East should look up to the West, but that IS NOT because I am some Eastern crazy nutcase like what so many here sometimes sound like, but rather because the East is the East so they should do their own thing. If every part of the world do their own thing and then share what good, then we as a planet move forward. This trend to the globalization of people and their nations is terrible for the long-term prospects of this planet we call Earth, because it destroys differences, increases the gene pool and the idea pool, and as any scientist would know, this has a distinct effect of drowning out evolutionary changes in genetics and new ideas. Whereas with some separatism, it is like you have several microcosms working in parallel, and each one at a better rate than the one big one as well. There probably won't be too much more evolution of genetics left, but of ideas definitely.

That and the "Western" culture that the East is copying isn't even western culture. It is globalist culture. The West suffers under it too (or even more so, as so many people confuse western culture with globalist culture they find it hard to notice the difference and stand against it with a unified front). The only places with true western culture are a few European countries these days, and I fear it is being fast eroded. England for example is a very different place. Germany is changing...

It isn't westerners who come to change Asia. Westerners are too busy living their lives in the Western world. It is those who consider themselves global entrepreneurs who do not hold allegiance to any single spot of the globe, and I don't know if this is a good thing. It seems that none of you do either, although many don't seem to understand just what exactly it is. A common mistake.


Good point, but here is something interesting that not many people know. And that is that all asian martial arts can trace their ancient roots back to the west and the days of the Olympics. Alexander the great brought the art of Pankration to India from ancient Greece. From there it travelled to china by another famous fellow who I have forgotten. And then various arts spread elsewhere in Asia, like to Okinawa and such.

And over the many centuries the Asians who adopted and made use of it added and changed many parts of it, and now they have brought their own versions of it back to the west. And now there are bastardized McDojos springing up all over the place. What a sad state of affairs.

But just like some wise people above have stated, People are naturally creatures of adaptation and when the winds shift they will go with it. Communication and exchange of new ideas is everything in our world.

But you wouldn't believe how many Asian bigots get in a hissy fit at this revelation, as if martial arts are some mythical thing that proves CHINA IS STRONGEST and that the mere thought of it all having original western roots and that Asians had merely taken and improved it and made it their own, makes their little world implode. I mean how is that even a problem? If anything I would say that it is a nice fact, but there you go.

Not anymore: tanning beds, vitamin D pills, sunglasses, sunblocks, genetic therapy, IVF reproduction, whatever....

Everyone does indeed copy American culture. There's no denying it.

But American culture can't be called "European" or "white." It's its own unique thing.

I'd like to know what is American culture. For one thing: big big cars. Americans are good at making big cars that are over 200 inches long.

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* Shooting people that tresspass on your property.
* Taking your sons out deer hunting and camping and enjoying the outdoors temperate rainforests and pebble-bed lakes.
* Disliking mexicans.
* Going to church.
* Listening to metal.
* Riding motor cycles.
* Boxing.

I can't think of anything else right now. However you have "American rebel", "American country church", and "new york" as 3 different yet fully american cultures. Unfortunately New York won and gained power in Washington and is suppressing the other two and coming up with all sorts of crazy stuff!

Source?

You could also argue that the olympics were originally from africa because warrior's would use the same methods to fight. Or you could argue that fighting originally came from monkeys because that's where humans came from. The truth is that every culture fights. That's nothing new. It's not as if the greeks showed the world how to fight (it's human nature to fight). Besides, the greek method of fighting is waaay different from kung fu.

The phenomenon is Americanization (short for American cultural imperialism). American culture is being sold to Easterners in their own homes! We can not 'burgle' something that has been forced upon us. A time will come when the every country will adapt many aspects of American culture as their own, willingly or unwillingly with the sacrifice of their own traditions and customs. It is inevitable and unfortunate but that is the consequence of globalization, many cultures battling to stay alive in the imposition of a dominant one.

The whole concept of personal car ownership was a product of American culture.

Henry Ford and his mass-produced automobiles, along with highway systems, came about from America's love for materialism and individuality. Americans could have kept on relying on public transportation like the rest of the world, but instead everyone wanted to have their very own vehicle.

True. However, Americans are best at making big cars, you know those ones that exceed 200 inches. One thing those automakers haven't done is fixing to damn low doors that make entry and exit from those vehicles extremely difficult. They should have folding roofs, and not just convertibles.

I'd listen to this guy. He sounds like an expert on the facts.






















No real Western culture, nope.

Wrong. Until Henry Ford mass produced the car, automobiles of any sort were largely unaffordable and considered the playthings of the very rich. Before Ford, the staple of transportation was the horse and buggy. Public transportation over short distances still wasn't huge.

Yeah....you should be very proud of your culture....

As should you.

I can dig up some more military pictures from different western countries if you like, but that would take too long. My culture has never enslaved another race and wiped out their population while stealing their land, what about yours? Hey, wasn't AIDS first contracted by a dutch man?

You have no idea what those pictures are, do you.

Tiananmen square? The Rape of Nanking? The Bataan Death March? The Chinese Communist "cultural revolution" (which ended up destroying most of Chinese culture)

The asian countries have never butchered another culture and conquered their land? Are you completely ignorant of Asian history?

In fact, the West gave up conquest and colonization over half a century ago. You guys are still up to it.


Look here:


Chinese soldier provocateurs with their monk robes shortly after framing Tibetan monks for violence. Pretty low, don't you think?