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Before anyone bites my head off... I've only taken a logic course under philosophy, but I have never taken a philosophy course that would teach a student to differentiate between ethics and morals. So, I want to point out my ignorance on the subject in advance.

Sometime ago on this site, in a different thread, an issue developed between what constitutes morals versus ethics. My rudimentary logic education helped me to recognize that a person can be described as acting immorally or acting unethically. In that sense both seem to logically depend upon personal choices to act in one way or another.

So, I was thinking about this 10 or so minutes ago and goggled info on the differences. The definition given on the site may or may not be satisfactory - I have no idea. But, if I go by this sites definition and examples of ethics, then would I be right to conclude if Nazi Germany legalized the gassing of Jews, then the gassing of Jews becomes rightly defined as "ethical" in that society? Likewise, with U.S. torturing suspects in the war on terror?

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The difference between ethics and morals can seem somewhat arbitrary to many, but there is a basic, albeit subtle, difference. Morals define personal character, while ethics stress a social system in which those morals are applied. In other words, ethics point to standards or codes of behavior expected by the group to which the individual belongs. This could be national ethics, social ethics, company ethics, professional ethics, or even family ethics. So while a person’s moral code is usually unchanging, the ethics he or she practices can be other-dependent.

When considering the difference between ethics and morals, it may be helpful to consider a criminal defense lawyer. Though the lawyer’s personal moral code likely finds murder immoral and reprehensible, ethics demand the accused client be defended as vigorously as possible, even when the lawyer knows the party is guilty and that a freed defendant would potentially lead to more crime. Legal ethics must override personal morals for the greater good of upholding a justice system in which the accused are given a fair trial and the prosecution must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The prosecution and court must also deal with the difference between ethics and morals. In some cases past actions of the accused might resonate with the current charge, but are kept out of evidence so as not to prejudice the jury. In a sense, the prosecutor “lies by omission” in representing the case, never revealing the prejudicial evidence. The same prosecutor, however, would likely find it reprehensible to fail to tell a friend if her date had a potentially dangerous or suspect history.

Another area in which ethics and morals can clash is at the workplace where company ethics can play against personal morality. Corporate greed that blurs its own ethical lines coupled with unreasonable demands on time can lead to having to chose between a stressful, demanding and consuming work ethic, and family obligations seen as moral obligations to spouse and children. Conversely, people lose jobs every day because of poor personal morals, employee theft being a common reason for dismissal.

In society, we are all faced with the butting heads of ethics and morals. Abortion is legal and therefore medically ethical, while many people find it personally immoral. Fundamentalists, extremists, and even mainstream theists all have different ideas about morality that impact each of our lives, even if indirectly through social pressures or legal discrimination.

In the case of homosexuality, many believe it is morally wrong, yet some of the same people also believe it is unethical to discriminate legally against a group of people by disallowing them the same rights afforded heterosexuals. This is a plain example of ethics and morals at battle. Ethics and morals are central issues as the world strives to overcome current challenges and international crossroads. Hopefully, in the coming years, a growing understanding will lead to peaceful and productive solutions.


(in the link above, there is discussion, posted comments under the above explanatory essay)
tangawizi
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Jul 11 2009, 10:17 AM) *
Also, I think u are getting confused with the meaning of ethics and morals.

Morals are about good and bad, while ethics tend to be codified into a formal system or professional set of rules which are explicitly adopted by a group of people, thus u have medical ethics for example (check here).

Ethics are internally defined and adopted while morals tend to be externally imposed on other people.


With the above distinction, i guess u can see why ...

Abortion is legal and therefore medically ethical, while many people find it personally immoral.

Fundamentalists, extremists, and even mainstream theists all have different ideas about morality that impact each of our lives, even if indirectly through social pressures or legal discrimination.


Fundamentalists seek to impose their morals.

That said, i am of the opinion that morals do not derive from religion at all.. but rather biologically... through the empirical studies on primates, we can see how biologically, we have behavior that are moralistic without having to resort to the Ten Commandments..

So secular morals do exist.. on a biological basis.. and such a recognition has given rise to a political theory of "Secular humanism".


Secular humanism merely requires that ethical and moral principles, as well as aims proposed for the public good, be arrived at without reference to gods and scriptures. It does not posit that gods do not exist; it does not need to. It is precisely because secular humanism is limited in that way that people can be both religious in their private lives and be secular humanists when they participate in the societal debate. You don't have to reject your gods to be a secular humanist; just do not use them as the fount of your arguments.

This accounts for the way large numbers of Europeans can profess a religion, while their state institutions and public values are profoundly secular.
Cumulus
QUOTE (extra hour @ Aug 2 2009, 10:45 PM) *
[b][color="#0000FF"]Before anyone bites my head off... I've only taken a logic course under philosophy, but I have never taken a philosophy course that would teach a student to differentiate between ethics and morals. So, I want to point out my ignorance on the subject in advance.

Sometime ago on this site, in a different thread, an issue developed between what constitutes morals versus ethics. My rudimentary logic education helped me to recognize that a person can be described as acting immorally or acting unethically. In that sense both seem to logically depend upon personal choices to act in one way or another.

So, I was thinking about this 10 or so minutes ago and goggled info on the differences. The definition given on the site may or may not be satisfactory - I have no idea. But, if I go by this sites definition and examples of ethics, then would I be right to conclude if Nazi Germany legalized the gassing of Jews, then the gassing of Jews becomes rightly defined as "ethical" in that society? Likewise, with U.S. torturing suspects in the war on terror?

I've studied philosophy for more than 6 years now and I don't think that there is any real distinction between the moral and the ethical. If it was legalized then the most they could say is that it was legal in that society. It does not change that the gassing was unethical/immoral. I've read many books and articles about ethics and morality and all the 'greats' seem to agree on one thing: the moral action is the same as the ethical action. The immoral action is the same as the unethical action.

There might be some politicians, lawyers or doctors who distinguish between the two terms, but there aren't any philosophers. I'm going with the philosophers on this one. Maybe one day the meaning will indeed be different, but I don't think that that day has come yet.
avisitor
Ethics has legal connotations to it
Moral has social connotations to it
There really isn't too much difference ...
Knowing right from wrong ....
How did Spike Lee put it????
Oh, ... "Do the Right Thing"
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