Or is corruption a symptom rather than a cause of some of its problems?

i beg to disagree, i think the filipinos are ..

its the system, stupid!!!!

Singaporeans were corrupt decades ago, then the system got overhauled and now the people are so goddam efficient and corrupt-free that they fine u for not flushing the public loo.

Maybe Indonesia should fine people radically for everything!!

Become a Fine Country like Singapore?

I believe the massive corruptions in our country comes from our inferior culture. Our people have no hard-working culture like Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, White. But, we want to get rich, have luxury items, send our children abroad and have many wives. As a result, we do what ever we can to get a lot of money by doing corruptions.

Human are all sinner by nature who need God's guidance.
In most cases, the richer countries are just better in hiding their corruption and the poorer countries have no other choice.
What do you think started the finance disaster that we are facing today?

You said richer countries are just better in hiding their corruption and the poorer countries have no other choice.

Well, please allow me to correct your thoughts

1. There are many corruptions in the world.

All countries have many corruptors. However, in richer/modern countries, those corruptors are severely punished by their government. As a result, the severety of corruptions in modern countries is less than in poorer countries.

Why?

It is because corruptors in poorer country, such as Indon, are not severely punished by our government. Then, more and more people become corruptors because they are not afraid of the punishment. As a result, my country Indon is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

2. You said that modern countries started the economic crisis, nowadays.

Actually, you are wrong again

It is not many modern countries who started the crisis, but just one, United States of America. However, the effect spread all over the word.

And, the crisis in USA did not come from corruptions, but from GREED

Many real estate companies/Banks sold houses to low income people who have no good ability to submit the monthly payments. Those companies/Banks thought they can easily take back the houses, once the buyer cannot pay the money. If just few buyers cannot pay the money, it is okay. The strength of US's economy will easily absorb the problems. But, if too many people cannot pay the money and it happens in the long term, the Banks will collapse. It is called Subprime Mortgage. You sold housings to unqualified buyers.

So, it is clear the crisis was not caused by corruptions, but by GREED in USA

CORRUPTION means you take something which doesn't belong to you. Corruptors are thieves

But, Greed is not stealing something which doesn't belong to you. There are some loop holes in the US economic system exploited by greedy people. Those people were not wrong, but too greedy.

Do you see the difference, comrade?

I would not disagree with you.
I am using corruption of human heart as the source of corruption, greed, stealing, killings.....................and my main point to the thread is that Indonesia definitely is not the only exception.

Anyone here dare to say that he or she never lies or cheats? Given the temptation, we human all have the potential to be part of doing wrong.

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