It just comes to my attention that the LAO people have the belief that their skin is naturally light or "white" for that matter. I think I have found the proof for their belief. Please don't say a word. It is true that LAO people are born with natural light skin. I now believe that there is actually a living white skinned 3 headed elephant for sure. LAO PRIDE on Asiafinest dot com YO! XEE MA MUNG YO!

So you like being dark.

Lao is darker that my d!ck.lol

Huh? I don't understand you at all. This is not about me, but about debunking the LAO's belief of their natural light skinned complexion.

This means that if the LAO people are of naturally white skinned complexion, then they will not have any problem manufacturing Vitamin D. But, but, but, scientists had found that the LAO pregnant females were deficient in Vitamin D. Scientists also know that "people with very dark skin make Vitamin D less efficiently from sunlight than do people with light skin".

dark vs white, which one you prefer?

lol sure they are.

Your title is contradicting your thread.

Does it matter if you're dark or light?

Why are you all feeding into this dude's mess? He obviously have a problem with Laotian folks and that is for him to deal with. Dark, Light, what does that matter? I know for a fact in Cambodia that if you are dark-skin you have a lesser chance of getting married. My friend who did work in Cambodia felt bad for them and made an started an organization there to help stop that.

Light skin? I don't know too many Laos who are as light as East Asians, so there's not much needed effort to debunk that belief. Most Lao I've seen are medium to dark.

I guess, light skin runs in all Asian cultures. So, I don't really blame them.. but it's sad women have to be brought up this way.
Maybe, if men didn't ask so much then women wouldn't care so much.

No Ha-mong trolls allowed in here >_<

Lao come in variety, this may due to climate. Nothern people seem to be lighter than the southerners. It's much hotter in the South.

Once a LAO, always a LAO! Xee Ma Mung!

Which one you prefer dark or white?

I prefer flat-nosed, flat-faced, slit-eyed, straight-haired, elephant-legged, raw-meat eating, and fresh-blood drinking, shorty-azzed, Vitamin D insufficient LAO from the undeveloped mountains of Southeast Asia. Xee Ma Mung, LAO Pride! YO!.

If you prefer white might not fit your skin color. So what about dark preahvihear.

What's up with the Lao hating on Khmer members on this forum? seems like you guys are jealous. Just remember that Khmers were responsible for your highest accolades, until you back stab us is when your society decline. Without Khmer, Lao wouldn't have gotten very far.

Ask the same question in reverse. What's up with the Khmer members hating on Lao?

I haven't been here long but long enough to know which factions are to blame. Lao members are consistently engaging in ethic bashing towards their more successful neighbors. Every other thread in Lao section has to do with some sort of bashing either against fellow south east Asian or the Chinese.

There's no rhyme or reason for these unprovoked attacks other than sheer malice. If you hate Khmer and Thai so much then why do you flatter us by copying our styles? I hope this attitude is just an online persona cause if it had to come down to retaliation, Lao members would be bombarded with humiliation courtesy of none other than basic facts.

I don't hate joker like Preavihear, she is sexy and fun to chat with.

That is very false and what exactly has the Khmer done for the Laotians? I need receipts! Show me some receipts. And about the hating on Khmer, I don't hate on anyone Khmer at all. What's up with the Khmer dude coming to the Lao forum hating on Lao folks?

Your Right, you havent been here long enough if dont know

Second, Khmer have done nothing for Lao ppl, Lao and Angkor never got along since the death of Chao FaNgum, Even FaNgum knew that Angkor was in Decline so why ally yourself with a weak and declining empire. so Lanxang and Angkor were Never Allies.

nothings wrong with being alittle tan i mean i dont mine being darker i mean my lao friends look better then me sometimes when i look at em..

even though i look lighter

You serious? Khmers done alot more stuff for Lao people then Lao done for khmer. Lao people absorbed more Khmer culture then we did yours. If it wasn't for the Khmer people Lao people would share the same culture with the Hmongs and Miens.

We all know Lao people didn't have direct contact with the Indians so it was the Khmers that introduced the Indianized culture Laotians have today.

Answer this question.

Who introduced the Indianized culture to Lao people.

For you to say Khmers have done nothing for Lao people is ignorant and you just lost all credibility. Culture is everything and the culture you guys have now came from the Khmers via India.

Culture is not everything. Don't forget about Foods and Water.

lets see, Even after FaNgum created Lanxang empire, the majority of the population of Lanxang was up in the Loungprabang Area who share the same cultural heritage as the ppl of Lanna. The Lao did not populate the area's close to Khmer territory until Chao Setthaya moved the capital to Viengchan in the 16th century. Lao culture was already indianized before Chao Setthaya moved the capital from Loungprabang to Viengchan, Lao kingdoms have existed in Nothern Laos and Nothern Thailand for many centuries (since the 7th century) before they moved further south into central, southern Laos and Isan region. Only after the captial was moved did the Lao start migrating in Large numbers into central Laos and the Khorat Plateau where they had contact with the Khmer ppl.

I find it quite interesting that Khmers are quick to point out that Khon Lao got our culture from them, but the Khmer culture itself came from India. I see a lot of Khmers with that attitude.

Unless Khmers are Indians themselves, I don't see the point of acting like Indian culture came from them. It's true that certain aspects of Lao culture came from Cambodia. No Lao person is denying that, but to latch on to a culture when it didn't originate from the Khmers themselves is quite ridiculous.

Lao folks always give the Khmers their due credit. All the ancient Khmer ruins in Laos, we say the ancient Khmers built it. If it was Thailand and Thai people, it'll be a different story. But this is Lao folks, so we don't try to claim something that ain't ours.

What I noticed is a lot of the Khmers themselves try to take credit for everything. It's like anything Lao and Khmer share, it's Khmer by default. LOL

Before Jao Fa Ngum, Lao people already had our own kingdoms and were pretty well organized. If Lao people were like the Hmongs and Miens(no offense to the Hmongs/Miens by the way), you think our people would be able to established our own nation?

The Chinese came into contact with Buddhism and Indian culture just as long as the Khmer, if not longer. And Lao people came into contact with the Chinese before the Khmer. So you just can't assume that Lao people came in contact with Indian culture from the Khmer.

this tells us that the Lao were already studying Buddhism through the Burmese not the Khmer.


King Mengrai is King FaNgums grandfather, lanna and Lanxang are sister kingdoms with the same Royal lineage. Loungprabang use to be apart of Chiangsean, who share the same culture.


Many of the Tai/Lao were already Buddhist in the 1st century AD, when the Khmers were still Hindu.

That's what I figured. I haven't researched much into our culture, but from what I read, Jao Fa Ngum was already a Buddhist before he came contact with the Khmer. So the idea of the Khmer introducing Indian culture to us is misleading.

"...The first few years of Fa Ngum's rule from his capital Xieng Dong Xieng Thong were uneventful. The next six years (1362-68), however, were troubled by religious conflict between Fa Ngum's lamaistic Buddhism and the region's traditional Theravada Buddhism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lan_Xang

You didn't answer my question. Who introduced you guys the Indianized culture? It wasn't the Indians. If Lao people aren't Indianized they might be almost like Hmongs and Miens are sino like Viets who knows? For you to say Khmers done nothing to you guys is foolish. Your greatest king was even schooled by a Khmer king. Fa Ngum wouldn't even be $hit without Khmers.

Bro, what's with Khmers trying to take credit for everything? Lao folks already had kingdoms and were well organized before Jao Fa Ngum existed. If Lao were like Hmongs and Miens, you think we would able to create a nation of our own? Oh wait, its with the help of the Khmers, right? But are you forgetting that Lao kingdoms existed even before Jao Fa Ngum?

I'm not trying to make this a Lao vs. Khmer thread since you guys are already beefing with alot of other races on AF already and Lao and Khmer are good for the most part.

But off top call me a biased nationalistic bastard if you want but here is a few stuff we gave Lao people. Since Manleow said we've done $hit for Lao people.

1. Gave Lao people a writing system. Well they adopted alot of our characters but just modified it.
2. Wat phu.
3. Your queen at one point was Khmer.
4. Provided fa Ngum a large sum of the Khmer army when he went into battle.
5. Introduced the Indianized culture to Lao people.

That's just a few. I am sure the Lao influenced us too so if you feel like jotting feel free to do so.

HAHAHAHAAHAH, Lao trying to change things up on Wikipedia to show their independence from Khmer culture. We Khmer have a saying, if you strip the Khmer culture away from Lao then all you have left is a Chinese minority mountain man.

I totally understand and acknowledge that there were already Lao kingdoms and I know where you are coming from but Manleow said we haven't done $hit for Lao people. I just wanted him to know he was wrong. I am pretty sure you guys influenced us alot too. Manleow is just on that pro-Lao/Anti-Thai & Khmer of late same goes for Buddahlove.

It's only the internet but it's funny though. Besides Savan I wonder if your Lao AF Brothers and sisters Manleow & Buddahlove has a personal grudge with Thai and Khmer people in real life. It isn't just Thai & Khmers these people are also bashing the Hmongs.

How were acient Lao able to document this history when they haven't establish a writing system yet until the Khmer taught them.

Lanna was a Tai kingdom, as far as their concern, they're not Lao.

1) I believe Lao writing was derived from the Mon, not the Khmer.

2) No Lao people claim Wat Phu. Don't mistake Laos for Thailand. We don't claim stuff that's not ours.

3). No question.

4) True, I won't deny that. But, did you know there were already Lao kingdoms before Jao Fa Ngum.

5) Buddhism and Indian culture didn't originate from the Khmer.

I never said Indian culture was ours. I simply typed Khmers introduced it to the Lao via the Indians because the Lao never had direct contact with the Indians like the Khmers did.

Here's the truth, Lan Xang couldn't been establish as Khmer Kingdom but we were merciful to the Lao people so we allow Fa ngum and the Princess to rule. Fa Ngum appointed all the Khmer generals and soldiers to high ranking positions. Monks, scholars, and teachers were brought from Angkor to teach the local Khmer way of life and as a gift from the Khmer King many treasures were given to the newly appointed King of Lan Xang including the Pra bang, a religious gold tablet made out of gold.

That's a misconception. I believe the Khmers introduced Theravada Buddhism, not Buddhism. Remember the Chinese came contact with Indian culture just as long as the Khmer, if not longer. And Lao folks came into contact with the Chinese longer than the Khmer. So you can't say the only contact Lao folks had with Indian culture was through the Khmer.

First you and your b/f said that Theravada Buddhism wasn't introduce by Khmers and then you side step and completely changed your tune. Stick to one thing and stop playing these cat and mouse games the initial statement was that Lao didn't receive anything from Khmers but we already know that Lao received religion, Khmer culture, written language and the biggest gift of them all was establishing Lan Xang. How much more do we have to give for you to show some recognition?

Why is there a ugly looking india khmer in Lao chat?????? If it wasn't for the Tai ethnic AiLao from china there wouldn't be any Thailand,Laos,Burma,Malaysia to begin with! During the first contact with Khmer they were already very dark and look like india themselfs. And later on the AiLao realized that the khmer empire was in declined and the khmer great king beg on his knee to support his empire and later on for 100 years it was time for the Tai to form there own kingdom and khmer empire was destroyed and lost only fairy tales remain for those khmer .

And buddha from Thailand,Burma and Laos all came from north eastern India from Burma. And for the khmer they believe in hindu and shiva from the Indian god and by many educated theory buddha came when the Tai started forming there own kindom when the khmer empire was destroyed.

Hey ChingChong troll, don;t you have anything constructive to talk about in your own forum like, "how to get my slinty eyes normal without having to spend a fortune" or " how to clean up your wounds after getting smash by bik blac guy" ...you know, $hit like that.

Theravada Buddhism is what most lao people practice too right? Thank you. Made my point. If Lao people had practiced Buddahism before contact with us it might of been the Chinese or Viet style of Buddahism which is the "Fat buddah" but if I am correct Lao people today practice the same type of Buddahism today as Khmer, Burmese, & Thai people which is completely different from the buddahism practiced in China and Vietnam.

kwanjai sounds like a troll trying to stir hate between lao and khmer

If you equate Buddhism with Indian culture, then can't say that the Khmers introduce Indian culture to us since we already came contact with the religion. And the "Fat Buddha" is a Chinese deity. He ain't even the Buddha.

I always thought it was Buddah since I hear alot of people say "rub on the Buddah belly for good luck."

Lao and Thai culture has many khmer element, but don't be so sure that Khmer were the only one that passed indian culture to Lao people. Mon were the oldest inhabitant in SE and strong believers of Theravada Buddhism

The Mon were one of the earliest distinct groups to settle in what is now Lower Burma, as early as 1500 BC or possibly earlier. The Mon are primarily associated with the historical kingdoms of Honsawati, Dvaravati and Hariphunchai. Up until the 14th century, outposts of Mon culture continued to spread very far east, including modern Thailand and Isan plateau cities such as Lampang and Khon Kaen. As late as the 14th and 15th centuries, it is believed that the Mon were the ethnic majority in this vast region, but also intermarried freely with Khmer and Tai-Kadai populations. Archaeological remains of Mon settlements have been found south of Viengchan, Laos, and may also have extended further to the northwest in the Haribhunjai era.

The Mon converted to Theravada Buddhism at a very early point in their history. Unlike other ethnic groups in the region, they seem to have adopted Theravada orthodoxy before coming into contact with Mahayana tendencies, and it is generally believed that the Mon provided the link of transmission whereby both the Thais and Cambodians converted from Hinduism and Mahayana Buddhism to Theravada Buddhism (increasingly from the 1200s). Although the precise date cannot be fixed, it seems that the Mon have been practicing Theravada Buddhism continuously for a longer period than any other extant religious community on earth, except for Sri Lanka, as the lineage was destroyed in India.

^So let me get this straight. You are getting pissed off because of Manleow? Think carefully. Is it really worth it to be so pissed off at ONE guy who should have "elaborated" his statement more? For example, even in AF, everyone knows the Thais here are full of BS, but that doesn't mean ALL of them are full of BS when only a select few (most of whom don't even have a deep rooted cultural or ethnic affiliation with the natives to begin with) are more vocal than others simply because they can afford to buy there way to the top.

Man no one is getting pissed off. It's only online and we were just debating.

first of All, You dont know Shiiite about Kon Lanna and Kon Lanxang, so I suggest you hold your mouth on that before you look like an Idiot.

Second, King Mengrai was a Lao King, the Kingdom of Lanna got their writing system and Indian influence Via the Mon not the Khmer. The ppl of Lanna and Lanxang are the Same exact ppl, there is No difference in these ppl, whether you call them Tai or Lao, they are the same ppl. Loungprabang was under the rule of Chiangsean Kings, and later Chiangsean was ruled under Loungprabang Kings. Loungprabang and Chiangsean were pretty much apart of the same Kingdom most of its history.

Fa Ngum was a Loungprabang Prince, his culture is that of Loungprabang and Chiangsean, same as his Mother and grandfather, who were Chiangsean princess and Chiangsean King.

The infomation regarding the Tai/Lao and Buddism in the 1 century AD is recorded by the Indians and Chinese. Mengrai was going to Burma to learn Theravada Buddhism, which is recorded by the Burmese. Mengrai is Fa Ngums Grandfather, So Loungprabang where Fa Ngum came from was well aware and already practicing Theravada Buddism before Fa Ngum created Lanxang.