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InitialDJay
anyway when ppl die, do they know their "moment" is coming?

like without doctors saying anything, do they know today is their "day" or god's calling day? lol

i'm talking about slow death not accidental death. embarassedlaugh.gif
chiuchimu
I think they do. The ones I've known. Shortly before dying, many request things, like finishing stuff, tying up loss ends, talk people they haven't talked to in a while or say thing that need to be said.
mikekk86
I'm sure in certain situations, some people can tell they're going to die. But many other times, it's hard to tell and it can go either way. I don't really see the relevance of the question other than morbid curiosity.
avisitor
Curiosity is what feeds human knowledge.

Anyway, knowing the end of life is near is not hard.
Being sick for a long time will let one know Death is coming.
Being diagnosised with cancer will also let one know that the end is near.
But, for people who are just healthy and old, death comes unknowingly.
While one is sleeping or resting ... it can happen.

Thinking about death? Don't dwell on it.
There is still much more to do before then biggthumpup.gif

Relevance? How old are you?
Maybe when you body is old and you're in pain most of the time ...
Never mind ... it holds no relevance to you ... yet eek.gif
mikekk86
QUOTE (avisitor @ Aug 28 2009, 07:28 AM) *
Curiosity is what feeds human knowledge.

Anyway, knowing the end of life is near is not hard.
Being sick for a long time will let one know Death is coming.
Being diagnosised with cancer will also let one know that the end is near.
But, for people who are just healthy and old, death comes unknowingly.
While one is sleeping or resting ... it can happen.

Thinking about death? Don't dwell on it.
There is still much more to do before then biggthumpup.gif

Relevance? How old are you?
Maybe when you body is old and you're in pain most of the time ...
Never mind ... it holds no relevance to you ... yet eek.gif

Lol, avistor. You seem to be passively aggressively hawking my posts as of late.

The OP asked simply "when ppl die, do they know their "moment" is coming?...i'm talking about slow death not accidental death." You really just misread my post and unfairly criticized my post and called it naive. This question, as I read it, has to do with someone already knowing they are dying and whether or not this person can tell exactly when they will pass away. I am 23 years old and I stand by my statement: "I'm sure in certain situations, some people can tell they're going to die. But many other times, it's hard to tell and it can go either way."


I am all for curiosity and I agree that it feeds human knowledge. I also "don't really see the relevance of the question other than morbid curiosity." (And I have no problem with curiosity) The OP didn't suggest he was going to die soon himself so obviously it was not personally relevant to him....other than curiosity....perhaps of the morbid variety. I wasn't saying having curiosity had no relevance, as you seem to be implying. I said asking the question has no relevance other than curiosity. Even when you are an older person, the question is still only relevant up to the concept of curiosity.

The same with when I wonder about a planet orbiting the other way in another galaxy. It has no relevance other than my curiosity of the universe---does not mean my curiosity is not relevant.
avisitor
Sorry, no one else posting anything of interest at the moment.

Oh, never called yur post naive.
It is your statement about relevance that stuck in my side.
Even though I wasn't dying, my sister was dying of cancer ...
it brought out many questions to light. Not morbid couriousity.
Relevance? Its my sister ... do I need say more?????


QUOTE
does not mean my curiosity is not relevant

That's what I was wondering???
InitialDJay
lol keep fighting, you both make good couple. =p

anyway, i'm curious about death all the times..

i alway wonder if i'm about to die, do i know my "moment" is coming too?

like i know day 1 is over soon, do i know that? or maybe day 2, i still live and continue to be happy n $hit.

obviously i dream what happen after i die, where do i go? can i go to heaven with gods or hell because i'm a satan's pupil?? embarassedlaugh.gif
mikekk86
QUOTE (avisitor @ Aug 28 2009, 09:48 PM) *
Sorry, no one else posting anything of interest at the moment.

Oh, never called yur post naive.
It is your statement about relevance that stuck in my side.
Even though I wasn't dying, my sister was dying of cancer ...
it brought out many questions to light.
Relevance? Its my sister ... do I need say more?????


does not mean my curiosity is not relevant

That's what I was wondering???

Well you can rest easy knowing that I stated:"I don't really see the relevance of the question other than morbid curiosity." So the only relevance I saw was in fact curiosity, which I endorse and commend. As for being bored on the forums....the forums serves as something to pass dead time (at least for me). I typically enjoy the debate posts since all the other posts are rather silly or under-stimulating. If there's nothing of interest on the forum, just take a break from the internet for a while. Good things are bound to go down. Between this post and my last one, I went to a party, got a hot Salvadorian girl's number after talking with her for a couple of hours, and went home to type this before bed.

QUOTE (InitialDJay @ Aug 29 2009, 01:43 AM) *
lol keep fighting, you both make good couple. =p

anyway, i'm curious about death all the times..

i alway wonder if i'm about to die, do i know my "moment" is coming too?

like i know day 1 is over soon, do i know that? or maybe day 2, i still live and continue to be happy n $hit.

obviously i dream what happen after i die, where do i go? can i go to heaven with gods or hell because i'm a satan's pupil?? embarassedlaugh.gif

Lol, I wouldn't say we're fighting. I truly believe a lot of "arguments" derive from mis-communication of some sort. This is why when I debate, I stress communication and the psychology of the poster as much as the topic. All things are important. But like avisitor said, stop worrying about your deathbed. I leave you with a quote from one of my favorite shows, House, M.D.:

HOUSE SEASON 5, EPISODE 14:
Dr. Chris Taub: I always worried on my deathbed I'll think "I didn't do anything really important."
Dana Miller: You're going to spend one day of your life on your deathbed. The other 25,000 are the ones we should be worrying about. Go to bed happy tonight.

Like I said, enjoy life. Questioning it is relevant to one's curiosity; But don't let it consume you too much. Good Night.
InitialDJay
QUOTE (mikekk86 @ Aug 29 2009, 04:43 PM) *
Well you can rest easy knowing that I stated:"I don't really see the relevance of the question other than morbid curiosity." So the only relevance I saw was in fact curiosity, which I endorse and commend. As for being bored on the forums....the forums serves as something to pass dead time (at least for me). I typically enjoy the debate posts since all the other posts are rather silly or under-stimulating. If there's nothing of interest on the forum, just take a break from the internet for a while. Good things are bound to go down. Between this post and my last one, I went to a party, got a hot Salvadorian girl's number after talking with her for a couple of hours, and went home to type this before bed.


Lol, I wouldn't say we're fighting. I truly believe a lot of "arguments" derive from mis-communication of some sort. This is why when I debate, I stress communication and the psychology of the poster as much as the topic. All things are important. But like avisitor said, stop worrying about your deathbed. I leave you with a quote from one of my favorite shows, House, M.D.:

HOUSE SEASON 5, EPISODE 14:
Dr. Chris Taub: I always worried on my deathbed I'll think "I didn't do anything really important."
Dana Miller: You're going to spend one day of your life on your deathbed. The other 25,000 are the ones we should be worrying about. Go to bed happy tonight.

Like I said, enjoy life. Questioning it is relevant to one's curiosity; But don't let it consume you too much. Good Night.

i'm curious mikekk86, are you afraid of death?
mikekk86
QUOTE (InitialDJay @ Aug 29 2009, 11:09 PM) *
i'm curious mikekk86, are you afraid of death?

When you ask if I fear death, I would say like any sane mortal who has so much to live for, I fear it as much as I should (Mainly because my instinct and desire to live). But the concept of death itself? No. I have embraced the concept and accept it as the natural process of life. When you realize billions of people and countless living organisms have died before you, it should not come as a surprise that your mortality will eventually catch up to you as well. I think when you feel like your time has come, and you have no regrets and can happily die---it is more beautiful of a thing than going to heaven because heaven removes the value of life to a mere flicker of existence in the scheme of eternity in bliss. It is knowing this is the one and only life you may live (of hardships and joys alike) that gives so much meaning and value to life. I find more romantic views within non-belief than in belief in afterlife. This is a reason, I believe, I try my hardest to live the most moral and good life I can. I refuse to lie. I try to pick up trash if it's not too much trouble. I try to be kind and forgiving to everyone, even those who may not deserve it at times. These things are that which many religious people seemingly have selfishly claimed as their own and many call atheists immoral by default. I just wish they understood how I saw the world.

This question reminds me of a poem I wrote several years back:

The End

My final breath escapes me,

To wander amongst the chilly air,

My eyes cautiously close,

For now life is too much to bear.


A misanthropic darkness,

Embraces me in the veil of night,

To ensure me of my peace,

And to become my final sight.


My veins cease to flow with ease,

Like a river meets the sea,

Never able to flow back,

To Love and Misery.


A silence disturbs me,

Yet I am calm,

For I no longer fear,

A place where I belong.
InitialDJay
QUOTE (mikekk86 @ Aug 30 2009, 12:58 PM) *
When you ask if I fear death, I would say like any sane mortal who has so much to live for, I fear it as much as I should (Mainly because my instinct and desire to live). But the concept of death itself? No. I have embraced the concept and accept it as the natural process of life. When you realize billions of people and countless living organisms have died before you, it should not come as a surprise that your mortality will eventually catch up to you as well. I think when you feel like your time has come, and you have no regrets and can happily die---it is more beautiful of a thing than going to heaven because heaven removes the value of life to a mere flicker of existence in the scheme of eternity in bliss. It is knowing this is the one and only life you may live (of hardships and joys alike) that gives so much meaning and value to life. I find more romantic views within non-belief than in belief in afterlife. This is a reason, I believe, I try my hardest to live the most moral and good life I can. I refuse to lie. I try to pick up trash if it's not too much trouble. I try to be kind and forgiving to everyone, even those who may not deserve it at times. These things are that which many religious people seemingly have selfishly claimed as their own and many call atheists immoral by default. I just wish they understood how I saw the world.

This question reminds me of a poem I wrote several years back:

The End

My final breath escapes me,

To wander amongst the chilly air,

My eyes cautiously close,

For now life is too much to bear.


A misanthropic darkness,

Embraces me in the veil of night,

To ensure me of my peace,

And to become my final sight.


My veins cease to flow with ease,

Like a river meets the sea,

Never able to flow back,

To Love and Misery.


A silence disturbs me,

Yet I am calm,

For I no longer fear,

A place where I belong.

it is not so much the fear of death in ourselves but the fear of death from a relatively close one. this is what frighten me and trigger my curiosity.


i, like you, think the concept of death is a natural process, a part of the whole grand scheme of human evolutionism.

by applying the natural process of life to our reality, we can see why death is associating with self-consciousness.

when one is losing his/her consciousness or his/her intellectual cognition, is very difficult for an average, healthy person to cope with.

in case of an animal or mentally-disorder individuals, i wonder if they're also experience the same fear of death as we, normal being, do?

obviously when one is lacking intellectual cognition, that person is also experiencing less to no fear of death, and one has to wonder if it has do with our mental and psychological awareness or is this just a physical fear.


also, you wrote a very meaningful poem.
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