Full Version: If u had to be poor...
in which country? and how would u rather choose to be poor? we are always thinking about how to be rich and what we would do with all the money we'd have... so hv u thought about being poor, and how u might wanna be poor and live to the max???
choice n.1 would be America, because at least I would never be starving lol
last choice, definitely India, it must really suck to be penniless there
last choice, definitely India, it must really suck to be penniless there
I'm not really sure about what you're asking here. I can choose the way I want to be poor? There's more than one way? Or you mean I can choose the degree to how poor I want to be? My answer to that would be the lowest degree of poorness possible - if I can choose at all I'd rather not be poor at all. I can easily imagine myself as being poor, and how I would live my life knowing what I know. I would try to get a job and not be poor. I would beg if I had to, but I don't think I would steal or do anything immoral. The country I prefer is any country where they give the poorest a welfare check to help them up get back up on their feet. Many socialist countries in Europe do that. The USA is definately not somewhere I want to be poor, but there are places far worse to be poor in. To America's credit I still think it's possible to fulfill the american dream in America. But plenty of people are starving in America.
What choice?
I'm poor now.
And, where is your choices Tangy?
You asked the question but you didn't give an answer????
I'm poor now.
And, where is your choices Tangy?
You asked the question but you didn't give an answer????
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Sep 7 2009, 01:39 AM) 
in which country? and how would u rather choose to be poor? we are always thinking about how to be rich and what we would do with all the money we'd have... so hv u thought about being poor, and how u might wanna be poor and live to the max???
The country that provides the most social services.
Australia > America if you are poor....
A 14 y.o can get 9 bucks an hour....and allowance from govt.
A 14 y.o can get 9 bucks an hour....and allowance from govt.
norway or france
food stamps are not enough to survive in america.
food stamps are not enough to survive in america.
Best place to be poor would be:
First, be born a Mexican, then cross the border into U.S. and live off the welfare system. As an undocumented immigrant, I can do all kinds of illegal things and get away with it. All the U.S. can do is send me to prison for a few days or deport me-which they stopped doing cause it costs too much. some other benefits are they can never confiscate my stuff, fine me, dock my pay, take me to civil court and force me to pay taxes.
First, be born a Mexican, then cross the border into U.S. and live off the welfare system. As an undocumented immigrant, I can do all kinds of illegal things and get away with it. All the U.S. can do is send me to prison for a few days or deport me-which they stopped doing cause it costs too much. some other benefits are they can never confiscate my stuff, fine me, dock my pay, take me to civil court and force me to pay taxes.
I need to see some sources on that. You make it sound like it's a free for all by just being an illegal immigrant. I doubt the world works that way. I doubt it's easy to be a criminal just because you're not a legal citizen.
One of the Scandinavian countries.
here in tha US. probly hawaii so i could camp out on tha beach and bum off relatives over there
QUOTE (Cumulus @ Sep 7 2009, 07:50 PM)
I need to see some sources on that. You make it sound like it's a free for all by just being an illegal immigrant. I doubt the world works that way. I doubt it's easy to be a criminal just because you're not a legal citizen.
Try an American vacation along the South western states. Tex-Mex food is some of the best, ever try Tex-Mex BBQ? MmmMmmM! Theres places to see and cultures to explore. And besides having a lot of fun, there is the real side of things that are a good learning experience for people outside this part of the world.
For a taster,b try googling:
illegal mexican businesses
illegal mexican taxes
illegal mexican penalties
illegal mexican driver license
illegal mexican vote
illegal mexican college
illegal mexican medical service
illegal mexican housing
illegal mexican food stamps
QUOTE (AzNboii @ Sep 8 2009, 03:04 AM)
here in tha US. probly hawaii so i could camp out on tha beach and bum off relatives over there
WTF everybody thinks this way. We have way too much bums from Australia and the Mainland US you sobs stop coming lol.
I'd be a mountain man somewhere in rural Asia.
I googled illegal mexican businesses
I went through the first 6 links. They gave me nothing that backed up your claims. If you have something, I prefer you give me a straight address. I have a life.
A search on illegal mexican taxes gave me this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24054024/
and this: http://redblueamerica.com/truthornot/2008-...-pay-taxes-2300
and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immig...es#Apprehension
Now, I agree that they are not forced to pay taxes, but it seems that you should downplay how much they can leech off from welfare.
I went through the first 6 links. They gave me nothing that backed up your claims. If you have something, I prefer you give me a straight address. I have a life.
A search on illegal mexican taxes gave me this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24054024/
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It's a mistake to think that no illegal immigrants pay taxes. They definitely do
and this: http://redblueamerica.com/truthornot/2008-...-pay-taxes-2300
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The Center for Immigration Studies, a vocal opponent of illegal immigration, looked at "The High Cost of Cheap Labor" in 2004 and found that illegal immigrant families tended to receive fewer welfare and Medicaid benefits than other households -- but even then, didn't pay enough in taxes to cover the cost.
(...)
The 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.
According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended.
(...)
On the other hand, the presence of illegal immigrants in the United States has apparently bolstered the finances of Social Security. Many undocumented workers pay into the system, but never retire or receive a dime from the program, as the New York Times reported in 2005:
As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus.
(...)
The 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.
According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended.
(...)
On the other hand, the presence of illegal immigrants in the United States has apparently bolstered the finances of Social Security. Many undocumented workers pay into the system, but never retire or receive a dime from the program, as the New York Times reported in 2005:
As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus.
and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immig...es#Apprehension
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A paper in the peer reviewed Tax Lawyer journal from the American Bar Association asserts that illegal immigrants contribute more in taxes than they cost in social services.
Now, I agree that they are not forced to pay taxes, but it seems that you should downplay how much they can leech off from welfare.
africa safari, love riding with those lion pride. 
@ cumulus
Every one living in Cal, Nev, NM, Tex etc.. knows what I'm talking about. I have a life too. Even if I spend several hours and gathering links for you, you live in Denmark, none of this matters to you. Its just words on paper for you- for us, we live in it. Not to be rude, but I lack enthusiasm here, so believe what you want to believe. If your interested, go find out for yourself.
Every one living in Cal, Nev, NM, Tex etc.. knows what I'm talking about. I have a life too. Even if I spend several hours and gathering links for you, you live in Denmark, none of this matters to you. Its just words on paper for you- for us, we live in it. Not to be rude, but I lack enthusiasm here, so believe what you want to believe. If your interested, go find out for yourself.
It's not words on paper for me, and being the globalist that I am what happens in another part of the world does matter to me. If it's true then it's true. If it's not then you're spreading lies. I choose to not take your word for it. But since you have a perfectly good reason for not going further for this, I will simply file this under 'not certain yet', instead of flat out rejecting it.
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Sep 9 2009, 12:41 AM)
@ cumulus
Every one living in Cal, Nev, NM, Tex etc.. knows what I'm talking about. I have a life too. Even if I spend several hours and gathering links for you, you live in Denmark, none of this matters to you. Its just words on paper for you- for us, we live in it. Not to be rude, but I lack enthusiasm here, so believe what you want to believe. If your interested, go find out for yourself.
Every one living in Cal, Nev, NM, Tex etc.. knows what I'm talking about. I have a life too. Even if I spend several hours and gathering links for you, you live in Denmark, none of this matters to you. Its just words on paper for you- for us, we live in it. Not to be rude, but I lack enthusiasm here, so believe what you want to believe. If your interested, go find out for yourself.
Chiuchimu aint lying. Illegals seem to get away wit everything. They drive drunk and get in accidents and for some reason dont go to jail. They kill folks and get deported just so they can come cross tha border again. If they get sicc tha hospitals will treat em and of course theyll never pay their bill. Pretty much you gata live in tha US to really c wats goin on.
Like I said before I'm not going to take anyone's word for it. If you have sources provide them. If not then you might as well tell me that a pink elephant is flying Air Force One. I find both hard to believe.
A pink elephant is flying air force one. Ya, i guess were just making all this $hit up.
QUOTE (AzNboii @ Sep 9 2009, 03:05 PM)
A pink elephant is flying air force one. Ya, i guess were just making all this $hit up.
No, but alot of it is being stretched beyond recognition.
neveeeeermind
I want to be poor. Zambian poor. That way I can inhale jenkem all day everyday for the rest of my life.
^ i think u got it mate.. if i had to be poor, i wanna be jamaican poor or sulawesi poor -- live by the beach on an island , eat fish n sago palms n smoke ma life away...
cuba might be the choice... cuban rum, cigars, salsa, hurracan...
cuba might be the choice... cuban rum, cigars, salsa, hurracan...
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Sep 10 2009, 05:32 AM)
^ i think u got it mate.. if i had to be poor, i wanna be jamaican poor or sulawesi poor -- live by the beach on an island , eat fish n sago palms n smoke ma life away...
cuba might be the choice... cuban rum, cigars, salsa, hurracan...
cuba might be the choice... cuban rum, cigars, salsa, hurracan...
Sounds like life on Malibu ... which isn't poor.
Sorry, but the poor usually gets kicked out of those places first.
Cuba? You got to go there ... my boss went and said it was a throw back into the fifties.
Time stood still once the Embargo went into effect back then.
QUOTE (avisitor @ Sep 10 2009, 05:37 AM)
Sounds like life on Malibu ... which isn't poor.
Sorry, but the poor usually gets kicked out of those places first.
Cuba? You got to go there ... my boss went and said it was a throw back into the fifties.
Time stood still once the Embargo went into effect back then.
Sorry, but the poor usually gets kicked out of those places first.
Cuba? You got to go there ... my boss went and said it was a throw back into the fifties.
Time stood still once the Embargo went into effect back then.
My sister in law is Cuban, she loves it. Rich in music, food, and culture. Yes it seemed time stopped in Cuba right after The Big Bop, but there is isn't a place with so many working classical cars on earth. Being poor in Cuba would be my choice as well, at least the poor still gets to dance and fraternize with their hearts content.
The other place would be South America in the Peru or Brazil. I think the only place in the US I would choose to be poor in would be Alaska, at least you can try to work the land their and have some property as well.
Germany please.
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Sep 10 2009, 05:32 AM)
^ i think u got it mate.. if i had to be poor, i wanna be jamaican poor or sulawesi poor -- live by the beach on an island , eat fish n sago palms n smoke ma life away...
cuba might be the choice... cuban rum, cigars, salsa, hurracan...
cuba might be the choice... cuban rum, cigars, salsa, hurracan...
I'm sure one of the Cuban poor would love to trade places with you.
It's funny how people who've never been poor have this romantic idea of poverty. LOL. I've been there done that (ghetto Slumdog Millionaire poor, which the movie brought back sharp reminiscence) all I can say is that screw that. I think rapper Nelly said it best nobody wants to be poor and if they have the choice they'd leave in a jiffy or something like that. I remember two of my childhood friends dying: one from dengue fever because most of the places in the Philippines don't bother to clean and empty out nook and crannies where mosquitoes lived...his house laid on top almot on little pond, the other one burned alive when his parents only means of making a living, illegal firework making, blew up in the middle of the night.
And those who wish to live beachcomber life...please don't. I've been doing water sports for years and theres nothing more disgusting than when bums decide to live in surf spots. it's unsanitary and i know for a fact that trash that i see floating on the water aren't from tourists. it's from bums.
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Sep 18 2009, 05:42 PM)
I'm sure one of the Cuban poor would love to trade places with you.
It's funny how people who've never been poor have this romantic idea of poverty. LOL. I've been there done that (ghetto Slumdog Millionaire poor, which the movie brought back sharp reminiscence) all I can say is that screw that. I think rapper Nelly said it best nobody wants to be poor and if they have the choice they'd leave in a jiffy or something like that. I remember two of my childhood friends dying: one from dengue fever because most of the places in the Philippines don't bother to clean and empty out nook and crannies where mosquitoes lived...his house laid on top almot on little pond, the other one burned alive when his parents only means of making a living, illegal firework making, blew up in the middle of the night.
And those who wish to live beachcomber life...please don't. I've been doing water sports for years and theres nothing more disgusting than when bums decide to live in surf spots. it's unsanitary and i know for a fact that trash that i see floating on the water aren't from tourists. it's from bums.
It's funny how people who've never been poor have this romantic idea of poverty. LOL. I've been there done that (ghetto Slumdog Millionaire poor, which the movie brought back sharp reminiscence) all I can say is that screw that. I think rapper Nelly said it best nobody wants to be poor and if they have the choice they'd leave in a jiffy or something like that. I remember two of my childhood friends dying: one from dengue fever because most of the places in the Philippines don't bother to clean and empty out nook and crannies where mosquitoes lived...his house laid on top almot on little pond, the other one burned alive when his parents only means of making a living, illegal firework making, blew up in the middle of the night.
And those who wish to live beachcomber life...please don't. I've been doing water sports for years and theres nothing more disgusting than when bums decide to live in surf spots. it's unsanitary and i know for a fact that trash that i see floating on the water aren't from tourists. it's from bums.
True enough, but I think the topic is hypothetically assuming you were poor. Not given a choice to be other then poor except location. I don't think anyone on this post romanticizes poverty.
QUOTE (pengie @ Sep 18 2009, 08:14 PM)
True enough, but I think the topic is hypothetically assuming you were poor. Not given a choice to be other then poor except location. I don't think anyone on this post romanticizes poverty.
uhhh
"africa safari love riding the lion pride"
"live by the beach on an island , eat fish n sago palms n smoke ma life away..."
"at least the poor still gets to dance and fraternize with their hearts content"
romaticizing doesn't mean necesarrily wanting to be poor, romanticizing means when someone doesn't know something they tend to idealize something as fabolous, when in reality it's impratical.
i've been poor and i'm sure poverty everywhere is miserable. i could romanticize living in hawaii eating pineapples and living on the beach, when the reality is where you going to get the money to buy pineapples and how long you're going to stay on the beach until the authorities kick you out?
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Sep 8 2009, 10:05 AM)
WTF everybody thinks this way. We have way too much bums from Australia and the Mainland US you sobs stop coming lol.
I'd be a mountain man somewhere in rural Asia.
I'd be a mountain man somewhere in rural Asia.
foreal?? ahah dope that means ima have neighbors
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Sep 18 2009, 07:26 PM)
uhhh
"africa safari love riding the lion pride"
"live by the beach on an island , eat fish n sago palms n smoke ma life away..."
"at least the poor still gets to dance and fraternize with their hearts content"
romaticizing doesn't mean necesarrily wanting to be poor, romanticizing means when someone doesn't know something they tend to idealize something as fabolous, when in reality it's impratical.
i've been poor and i'm sure poverty everywhere is miserable. i could romanticize living in hawaii eating pineapples and living on the beach, when the reality is where you going to get the money to buy pineapples and how long you're going to stay on the beach until the authorities kick you out?
"africa safari love riding the lion pride"
"live by the beach on an island , eat fish n sago palms n smoke ma life away..."
"at least the poor still gets to dance and fraternize with their hearts content"
romaticizing doesn't mean necesarrily wanting to be poor, romanticizing means when someone doesn't know something they tend to idealize something as fabolous, when in reality it's impratical.
i've been poor and i'm sure poverty everywhere is miserable. i could romanticize living in hawaii eating pineapples and living on the beach, when the reality is where you going to get the money to buy pineapples and how long you're going to stay on the beach until the authorities kick you out?
I was being realistic about Cuba though. Given no other choice besides location I feel being a drudge worker amongst the highly poor population in Cuba would suite me well. And yes the poor can still dance and fraternize with their hearts content in Cuba!
Romanticizing is a bit of a ambiguous word when speaking hypothetically. It's in human nature that we look for the positive rather then negative when the circumstances are dire.
Those listed atop are best possible outcomes of those location, you really can't say it's Impractical. Didn't anyone ever tell you nothings impossible.
QUOTE (pengie @ Sep 19 2009, 11:59 AM)
I was being realistic about Cuba though. Given no other choice besides location I feel being a drudge worker amongst the highly poor population in Cuba would suite me well. And yes the poor can still dance and fraternize with their hearts content in Cuba!
Romanticizing is a bit of a ambiguous word when speaking hypothetically. It's in human nature that we look for the positive rather then negative when the circumstances are dire.
Those listed atop are best possible outcomes of those location, you really can't say it's Impractical. Didn't anyone ever tell you nothings impossible.
Romanticizing is a bit of a ambiguous word when speaking hypothetically. It's in human nature that we look for the positive rather then negative when the circumstances are dire.
Those listed atop are best possible outcomes of those location, you really can't say it's Impractical. Didn't anyone ever tell you nothings impossible.
The reason why I can tell you it is and the reason why i'm telling you it is, is because I've been there. LOL. I'm not like most of these people pulling it out of my @$$. Have you ever tried splitting two ramen noodles packs between a family of five for lunch and dinner -- I have. Watch several family die of cancer because they can't afford treatment -- I have (I use to think once you're diagnosed with any cancer you're pretty much dead...because most people I knew then did). Seen a pile of dead bodies in a back of the police after a slum riot...I have. Seen 1-5 year olds sniffing glue to get high to pass hunger... I have.
Real poverty in the world isn't this romantic life and dancing and being carefree. LOOL. Don't get me wrong I'd rather be born that way anyday, it made me the way I am today, and you're right there is a lot of simplicity and some of that romantic sentimentalities, but poverty really means subsistence living...means you don't work, you don't hustle you don't eat. I know it's hard to picture dying of hunger and malnutrition because we live here in America but still majority of the world don't live like us.
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Sep 19 2009, 06:02 PM)
The reason why I can tell you it is and the reason why i'm telling you it is, is because I've been there. LOL. I'm not like most of these people pulling it out of my @$$. Have you ever tried splitting two ramen noodles packs between a family of five for lunch and dinner -- I have. Watch several family die of cancer because they can't afford treatment -- I have (I use to think once you're diagnosed with any cancer you're pretty much dead...because most people I knew then did). Seen a pile of dead bodies in a back of the police after a slum riot...I have. Seen 1-5 year olds sniffing glue to get high to pass hunger... I have.
Real poverty in the world isn't this romantic life and dancing and being carefree. LOOL. Don't get me wrong I'd rather be born that way anyday, it made me the way I am today, and you're right there is a lot of simplicity and some of that romantic sentimentalities, but poverty really means subsistence living...means you don't work, you don't hustle you don't eat. I know it's hard to picture dying of hunger and malnutrition because we live here in America but still majority of the world don't live like us.
Real poverty in the world isn't this romantic life and dancing and being carefree. LOOL. Don't get me wrong I'd rather be born that way anyday, it made me the way I am today, and you're right there is a lot of simplicity and some of that romantic sentimentalities, but poverty really means subsistence living...means you don't work, you don't hustle you don't eat. I know it's hard to picture dying of hunger and malnutrition because we live here in America but still majority of the world don't live like us.
Wait-a-minute, ... subsistence living?
I have known people who live on the streets (poverty) who figured out ways to survive.
They hustle and sell their bodies ... they don't really eat ... they do it for the drugs.
It was only when they got arrested that they were able to eat and therefore
able to regain weight and strength. But after their sentence, back out onto the streets.
I really wouldn't call that living.
Also, it is similair to my situation.
No savings .. paycheck to paycheck.
If I don't work then it is only a few days before I run out of everything.
And soon out on the streets. It has happened before.
Lucky for me, I have relatives that put me up for a while ...
'til I got back to working.
Don't get me wrong.
There is nothing romantic about poverty.
Hunger, drugs, a real f--ed up way of liviing isn't that so far off.
Gov't is really the only life net we have.
So choice of place to be poor would have to be in a country that
has a good gov't to provide for the poor.
In this context romanticizing means to portray something better than it really is. In that sense it doesn't matter if you're talking about a real situation or a hypothetical one. A hypothetical situation can still be viewed as better than it actually is. I can see why flipcombatmedic would say that some of the replies seem to do that. They only focus on the good, and it makes you wonder if they aren't oblivious to the harsh realities of life. It looks that way, but it is not a given that they haven't thought about it. But if you ask a poor person the question then watch out for the hand that will slap you in the face.
America Midwest , very fine real estate at good price and lots of Dollar generals, dollar trees hahaha and dollar menus as well as good parks, poor doesnt mean unhappy poverty could, but not being poor.
QUOTE (Sisi @ Sep 20 2009, 07:55 PM)
America Midwest , very fine real estate at good price and lots of Dollar generals, dollar trees hahaha and dollar menus as well as good parks, poor doesnt mean unhappy poverty could, but not being poor.
Obviously, there are different degrees of poor.
Some are the working poor that get by day to day or week to week or paycheck to paycheck.
Others are those who live out on the street or in shelters.
It isn't something I'd wish on anyone.
You have to remember that God helps those that help themselves.
Gotta hustle and work for your goods and meals.
QUOTE (avisitor @ Sep 20 2009, 08:45 PM)
Obviously, there are different degrees of poor.
Some are the working poor that get by day to day or week to week or paycheck to paycheck.
Others are those who live out on the street or in shelters.
It isn't something I'd wish on anyone.
You have to remember that God helps those that help themselves.
Gotta hustle and work for your goods and meals.
Some are the working poor that get by day to day or week to week or paycheck to paycheck.
Others are those who live out on the street or in shelters.
It isn't something I'd wish on anyone.
You have to remember that God helps those that help themselves.
Gotta hustle and work for your goods and meals.
True
and also no matter how rich or how poor a person is they can still be lost.
And also a poor person could be rich if he's found.
Not all riches are money and materialistic and not all are of this world or cultures.
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Sep 19 2009, 05:26 AM)
romaticizing doesn't mean necesarrily wanting to be poor, romanticizing means when someone doesn't know something they tend to idealize something as fabolous, when in reality it's impratical.
i've been poor and i'm sure poverty everywhere is miserable. i could romanticize living in hawaii eating pineapples and living on the beach, when the reality is where you going to get the money to buy pineapples and how long you're going to stay on the beach until the authorities kick you out?
i've been poor and i'm sure poverty everywhere is miserable. i could romanticize living in hawaii eating pineapples and living on the beach, when the reality is where you going to get the money to buy pineapples and how long you're going to stay on the beach until the authorities kick you out?
all i am saying if i had to be poor, i would rather be poor as in beach bum poor than bag lady urban city poor, what's so wrong about that? folks romanticise abt being rich half the time, why can't we do the same abt being poor? or is it like throwing a shoe in the face of the poor if we did that???
Do u feel insulted by this thread cuz (yet again) u'd been there?
QUOTE (Suijen @ Sep 7 2009, 11:27 AM)
The country that provides the most social services.
In that case, Great Britannia... oh wait, I already live there.
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Sep 30 2009, 08:35 AM)
all i am saying if i had to be poor, i would rather be poor as in beach bum poor than bag lady urban city poor, what's so wrong about that? folks romanticise abt being rich half the time, why can't we do the same abt being poor? or is it like throwing a shoe in the face of the poor if we did that???
Do u feel insulted by this thread cuz (yet again) u'd been there?
Do u feel insulted by this thread cuz (yet again) u'd been there?
All I'm doing is educating. That's all.
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Sep 30 2009, 01:35 PM)
all i am saying if i had to be poor, i would rather be poor as in beach bum poor than bag lady urban city poor, what's so wrong about that? folks romanticise abt being rich half the time, why can't we do the same abt being poor? or is it like throwing a shoe in the face of the poor if we did that???
Do u feel insulted by this thread cuz (yet again) u'd been there?
Do u feel insulted by this thread cuz (yet again) u'd been there?
There's nothing wrong about preferring to be a beach bum than a bag lady, or vice versa. There's nothing wrong about talking about it either. Romanticizing something, however, is not a good thing. The fact that people do it about being rich does not make it right. Rather, romanticizing about being rich is wrong too. Why is it wrong? Because it is the opposite from truth. Saying that something is worse than it really is, is similarly bad because it's not the truth. As long as you don't do that then there's no harm in theorizing about being poor. No more harm than theorizing about whether to have Spiderman's powers or Iron Man's suit.
looks like u gotta be more pc to romanticize about being poor than being rich around here...
i honestly feel that i'd rather be poor living in a poor coastal or island state than in some big city state.. or like what fliip had said : he'd rather be a mountain man if he had to be poor
somehow, being in a natural environment rather than a concrete city jungle makes living a whole easier even if the struggle to find food and shelter is juz as urgent
i've stayed with a hill tribe family in north-eastern Lao once, they hunt for bamboo shoots and mountain rodents to supplement their meagre agricultural slash and burn produce
and i really think they have a better way of living than most of the poor i have seen here in central nairobi slums..
but if romanticising and going deep into this jars with all your sensibilities... and romanticising about Iron Man and Transformers is more pc, by all means... go ahead
i honestly feel that i'd rather be poor living in a poor coastal or island state than in some big city state.. or like what fliip had said : he'd rather be a mountain man if he had to be poor
somehow, being in a natural environment rather than a concrete city jungle makes living a whole easier even if the struggle to find food and shelter is juz as urgent
i've stayed with a hill tribe family in north-eastern Lao once, they hunt for bamboo shoots and mountain rodents to supplement their meagre agricultural slash and burn produce
and i really think they have a better way of living than most of the poor i have seen here in central nairobi slums..
but if romanticising and going deep into this jars with all your sensibilities... and romanticising about Iron Man and Transformers is more pc, by all means... go ahead
Survival by hunting and gathering is not as easy as Tangy just made it out to be.
Life like that is harsh and very unforgiving.
Living like a mountain man requires skills that most of us urbanites don't have
nor do we have the stomach to do the things that must be done.
As far as romanticizing about life in general, we're people and that's what people do.
With minds that are made for wonder and expression, we live life beyond our present existence
and reach out for entertainment, music, stories, gossip ... etc.
Please don't take everything so seriously.
Life like that is harsh and very unforgiving.
Living like a mountain man requires skills that most of us urbanites don't have
nor do we have the stomach to do the things that must be done.
As far as romanticizing about life in general, we're people and that's what people do.
With minds that are made for wonder and expression, we live life beyond our present existence
and reach out for entertainment, music, stories, gossip ... etc.
Please don't take everything so seriously.
QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 1 2009, 03:00 PM)
As far as romanticizing about life in general, we're people and that's what people do.
With minds that are made for wonder and expression, we live life beyond our present existence
and reach out for entertainment, music, stories, gossip ... etc.
With minds that are made for wonder and expression, we live life beyond our present existence
and reach out for entertainment, music, stories, gossip ... etc.
nice piece of analysis on the human condition there..!
QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 1 2009, 03:00 PM)
Please don't take everything so seriously.
yes!!
i am broke, would u lend me some $$ for my next pedicure?
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Oct 1 2009, 02:13 PM)
yes!!
i am broke, would u lend me some $$ for my next pedicure?
i am broke, would u lend me some $$ for my next pedicure?
Pedicure? I can give you a pedicure. Wait a minute and let me find my ax
QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 3 2009, 10:22 PM)
Pedicure? I can give you a pedicure. Wait a minute and let me find my ax
why? u gonna tickle with dat or what???
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Oct 1 2009, 06:13 AM)
looks like u gotta be more pc to romanticize about being poor than being rich around here...
i honestly feel that i'd rather be poor living in a poor coastal or island state than in some big city state.. or like what fliip had said : he'd rather be a mountain man if he had to be poor
somehow, being in a natural environment rather than a concrete city jungle makes living a whole easier even if the struggle to find food and shelter is juz as urgent
i've stayed with a hill tribe family in north-eastern Lao once, they hunt for bamboo shoots and mountain rodents to supplement their meagre agricultural slash and burn produce
and i really think they have a better way of living than most of the poor i have seen here in central nairobi slums..
but if romanticising and going deep into this jars with all your sensibilities... and romanticising about Iron Man and Transformers is more pc, by all means... go ahead
i honestly feel that i'd rather be poor living in a poor coastal or island state than in some big city state.. or like what fliip had said : he'd rather be a mountain man if he had to be poor
somehow, being in a natural environment rather than a concrete city jungle makes living a whole easier even if the struggle to find food and shelter is juz as urgent
i've stayed with a hill tribe family in north-eastern Lao once, they hunt for bamboo shoots and mountain rodents to supplement their meagre agricultural slash and burn produce
and i really think they have a better way of living than most of the poor i have seen here in central nairobi slums..
but if romanticising and going deep into this jars with all your sensibilities... and romanticising about Iron Man and Transformers is more pc, by all means... go ahead
I don't know what being pc means. There's a difference about romanticizing and theorizing. The first distorts the truth, while the latter does not. I guess I'm being sensible because I don't like the truth being distorted? You can theorize about what you want, but romanticizing something is generally not approvable. I doubt that if you really understood what romanticizing means, you would defend it. Or looking at it another way - what you think is romantizing might not be what I have a problem against. Certainly, everything you say (except from using the word romanticize) indicates simple theorizing rather than romanticizing. The worry from flipcombatmedic's was that some people here have an unrealistic view on what being poor is like. Instead of saying that it's okay to have an unrealistic view about being poor, you should rather deny that what you have said was unrealistic. Instead it sounds like you try to defend the act of picturing something better than it is. That, I think, is bound to fail. I think that if the opening to this thread had been better, some of the confusion could have been avoided.
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Oct 4 2009, 02:18 PM)
why? u gonna tickle with dat or what???
You got some ugly toe nails that need clipping ..
that's why I need the ax
i've been poor. not saying i'm rich now, but better...
i'd still imagine being poor in the phil. all of my relatives were really generous to me.
if i have to, i'd relive that part of my life.
i'd still imagine being poor in the phil. all of my relatives were really generous to me.
if i have to, i'd relive that part of my life.
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