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RideForLanxan
Who's the greatest conqueror in human history?

1) Ghengis Khan

2) Attila the Hun

3) Alexander the Great

4) Hannibal
yuelight
Ghengis Khan!!
gasterveren
Euclid. He conquered the world with his mind. Remember, the pen is mightier than the sword. Homo sapiens is Thinking Man, not Fighting Man. Warfare cannot sustain human society, only knowledge can. This Euclid dude actually proved there is no largest prime number. Holy $hit!
Mid-Night_Sun
baybal
2 of course!
JohnComnenus
^ defeated by Flavius Aetius of Western Roman Empire?
Oyabun
Adolf Hitler.
kakabonga
If you count conquering the mind, then Muhammad
flipcombatmedic
QUOTE (kakabonga @ Sep 9 2009, 01:12 AM) *
If you count conquering the mind, then Muhammad

Just the mind? He led armies himself LOL.

Napoleon, Belisarius (best and most humble Roman general and the last to get a real Roman triumph), Sertorious (nicknamed "new Hannibal"), Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Tang Taizong, Skanderbeg
kakabonga
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Sep 9 2009, 02:35 AM) *
Just the mind? He led armies himself LOL.


He didn't conquer much himself. His followers established an Islamic empire after he died.
Zaw-Gyi
queen vic
JohnComnenus
I thought, the ONE who is instrumental in the Islamic military victories during Muhammad's time was actually Khalid ibn Wahid who defeated both Sassanian and Byzantine armies.

Oh yeah, Belisarius was certainly a great general, even though he don't receive support from Emperor Justinian. It was also good that he was somehow assisted by another able Roman general Narses
Potatosalad
Alexander. he started when he was in his early teens
Titanium
QUOTE (kakabonga @ Sep 9 2009, 01:12 AM) *
If you count conquering the mind, then Muhammad

What about Jesus Christ or Gautama?
BurdenOfAges
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BurdenOfAges
If by "greatest conqueror," you mean the conqueror with the most military ability, I'd say it's a toss-up between Temujin and Alexander. The former forged a confederation out of a huge number of different peoples and managed to out-maneuver nearly all the great civilizations of the world at the time. The latter led a small kingdom to victory against the vast Persian Empire. Neither were really helped by greatly superior technology (as the later European empires were), and both could be said to have had the odds stacked against them.
GameOn
Euclid beats all. None beats Euclid.
Tenjikuronin
George W. Bush.
Zaw-Gyi
watch this space ...
LiquidNitrogen
God. and goddesses, through theocracy they conquered the whole world;My friend prays five times a day to Allah, fast on Ramadan, and be charitable to the poor.; My other friends attended church every Saturday and celebrate Christmas. etc...Hell, even the wedding ring on the left finger originated from Egyptian culture of the god Isis; when Alexander The Great conquered Persia and the known world, he merged Greek culture with Egyptian together. Later on the Roman rose to power but their culture is an exact copy of classical Greek, so today's western culture is based on classical Greek and Egyptian.

I have been worshiping god the whole time, and didn't even know it. god wins.

renascimento
Scipio Africanus, Temujin, Lenin, Stalin, and as a Filipino i can't fail to mention the "American Caesar" Douglas McArthur embarassedlaugh.gif

On the great conquerors, but "EPIC FAIL" side: Pyrrhus (from the pyrrhic victory) lol, Hannibal, Charles XII of Sweden, Hitler, GWB embarassedlaugh.gif
Point_Dexter
Buddha>(G)god(s)

Tamed the Khans
Transformed Asoka
Backwarded the Chinese
Fall of the Khmers
LiquidNitrogen
QUOTE (renascimento @ Sep 10 2009, 03:28 AM) *
Scipio Africanus, Temujin, Lenin, Stalin, and as a Filipino i can't fail to mention the "American Caesar" Douglas McArthur embarassedlaugh.gif

On the great conquerors, but "EPIC FAIL" side: Pyrrhus (from the pyrrhic victory) lol, Hannibal, Charles XII of Sweden, Hitler, GWB embarassedlaugh.gif

I can't believe you missed Napoleon; a god of war.

Ah King Pyrrhus for whom his family claimed to be descendant of Alexander the Great. He fought the Roman Legion right? It wasn't fair, the Roman did not give him enough time to raise an army and force him make due with what he had. Although he won many battle but the problem was that his key generals and veteran died after each "victory". He was admired by the people and they sent him more troops, more than what he had lost. The problem was all the quality warriors in his army died, the new recruits were a bunch of noobs thus he was eventually overwhelmed by the Legion. From this the term "Pyrrhus Victory" was coined; a triumph that is good as defeat.

He was a great General nevertheless.
LiquidNitrogen
QUOTE (Point_Dexter @ Sep 10 2009, 09:13 PM) *
Buddha>(G)god(s)

Budha was a b!tch, he has never killed anybody--vegetarian--plant eating--Bodhi-tree sitting mother f****

God was a bad @$$. He killed countless of nonbelievers and even children:

God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head. 2:23-24

God killed 14,700 for complaining Num.16:49, BT

etc... I can go on all day but I am not going to. You can read it here for yourself.


Kids, don't mess with God or he'll send bears to kill you.
renascimento
QUOTE (LiquidNitrogen @ Sep 11 2009, 09:42 PM) *
I can't believe you missed Napoleon; a god of war.

Ah King Pyrrhus for whom his family claimed to be descendant of Alexander the Great. He fought the Roman Legion right? It wasn't fair, the Roman did not give him enough time to raise an army and force him make due with what he had. Although he won many battle but the problem was that his key generals and veteran died after each "victory". He was admired by the people and they sent him more troops, more than what he had lost. The problem was all the quality warriors in his army died, the new recruits were a bunch of noobs thus he was eventually overwhelmed by the Legion. From this the term "Pyrrhus Victory" was coined; a triumph that is good as defeat.

He was a great General nevertheless.


He was related to Alexander, not descended from him. Both Scipio and Hannibal considered him to be the greatest military genius of all time(beside themselves). Crushed by a falling tile while engaged in hand-to-hand combat, what a way to end a military life.

Yep, i missed Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon. I am bit biased against them for various reasons, that's all, but they were great conquerors too.


MangoMania
Alexander
YourMuDoIsWeak
Darth Sidious....
taolander
there also should be a thread of the great defenders of a homeland.
kaylashi
I say form the list you put up, Alexander the Great.
I do agree, Muhammed would be up there, his religion is the second largest worldwide. Christianity is largest if you include everything from catholics to quakers... so maybe st. peter & paul.
JakeCutter
Although not the greatest, I feel his achievements deserve some recognition in this thread. The Persian empire is arguably the greatest in all history by some scholars and Cyrus is recognized as one of the best leaders not only for his military success, but also for being "fair".

Cyrus the Great of Persia:

559 Cyrus the Great of Parsa rebels against the Medes and founds the Persian Empire
550 Persia conquers the Medes
547 Persians conquers Lydia, the battle of Sardis, and move through Asia Minor
539 Cyrus the Great of Persia conquers Babylonia
539 Cyrus the Great allows the Jews to return to Judah (a Persian province)
530 Cyrus conquers all of Asia Minor
530 Cyrus dies in battle

Eventually became this:




formula1
Ken Jenning..........Atleast he conquered Jeopardy!


Point_Dexter
The Borg owned the Alpha and Beta quadrant, and destroy species 5437 in liquid subspace pass the delta quadrant!

What the Khans or Alexander did, is far less then a grain of dirt compared to what the Borg did in space.
RideForLanxan
QUOTE (BurdenOfAges @ Sep 9 2009, 06:03 PM) *
If by "greatest conqueror," you mean the conqueror with the most military ability, I'd say it's a toss-up between Temujin and Alexander. The former forged a confederation out of a huge number of different peoples and managed to out-maneuver nearly all the great civilizations of the world at the time. The latter led a small kingdom to victory against the vast Persian Empire. Neither were really helped by greatly superior technology (as the later European empires were), and both could be said to have had the odds stacked against them.


Alexander was a great warrior, but he wasn't a military genius like Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan and the Mongols introduced a form of warfare that wasn't heard of before...Speed. The Blitzkrieg that the Germans used in WWII was modeled after the Mongols. When you attack your enemies with speed, you don't give them a chance to counter. That's one of the main reason why the Mongol Empire was the largest land empire known to man.
AzNboii
Kobe Bryant
Oyabun
none of this "the Germans" garbage, we all know it was Der Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, not "the Germans"
amir_the_man
QUOTE (RideForLanxan @ Sep 16 2009, 08:37 PM) *
Alexander was a great warrior, but he wasn't a military genius like Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan and the Mongols introduced a form of warfare that wasn't heard of before...Speed. The Blitzkrieg that the Germans used in WWII was modeled after the Mongols. When you attack your enemies with speed, you don't give them a chance to counter. That's one of the main reason why the Mongol Empire was the largest land empire known to man.

Alexander was a greater military man than Genghis khan, no doubt about it. what genghis and the mongols did was hording, they absorbed defeated people into themselves and just poured into the nest region, like an avalanche.
you say his tactics were never done before? then who were the huns of europe, the seljuks in the middle east and so on?

these were all people who horded their enemies, they were difficult to defeat cause when they reached more civilized nations they were always significantly larger than their opponent by all the absorption they had done.
the huns absorbed all of eastern Europe and beyond into their ranks when they had arrived at roman territory, even more with Mongolians who had absorbed all of central asia.

it's not to say these people weren't fierce warriors, they were, but they were more warriors than they were military tacticians. and there countless examples of these hording forces being defeated by smaller more advanced armies.

on the other hand there is real evidence of alexander's tactical brilliance, there are unexplained events in the corse of his campaign though.
HailLenin
QUOTE (amir_the_man @ Sep 18 2009, 01:15 AM) *
Alexander was a greater military man than Genghis khan, no doubt about it. what genghis and the mongols did was hording, they absorbed defeated people into themselves and just poured into the nest region, like an avalanche.
you say his tactics were never done before? then who were the huns of europe, the seljuks in the middle east and so on?

these were all people who horded their enemies, they were difficult to defeat cause when they reached more civilized nations they were always significantly larger than their opponent by all the absorption they had done.
the huns absorbed all of eastern Europe and beyond into their ranks when they had arrived at roman territory, even more with Mongolians who had absorbed all of central asia.

it's not to say these people weren't fierce warriors, they were, but they were more warriors than they were military tacticians. and there countless examples of these hording forces being defeated by smaller more advanced armies.

on the other hand there is real evidence of alexander's tactical brilliance, there are unexplained events in the corse of his campaign though.


Your post is just pure BS. And has an obvious bias in it. Horded??? What do mean horded. Hording means that you pour an army which greatly outnumbers your opponents onto them. Something which was not even possible for the Mongol army to do.

Just to let you know, it was the Mongols who were outnumbered. And no they did not just pour their men and charge at the enemies like you describe. If they did, they would have been slaughtered like the Japanese were during WWII.

Please go and read some history before you post up some BS assertions. Mongol army under Subotai did not outnumber any of their opponents. They were outnumbered by their foes during every single battle. So were the Huns. Roman forces were estimated to outnumber Hunnic forces at least by 7 - 1. Not the other way around.



BTW. I find it funny how many people will state that someone's reputation as a military commander should be downplayed if they use greater numbers against their foe, but NOBODY ever points out the fact that someone's reputation as a conquerer should also be downplayed if the person uses more advanced technology against another army.

Using technology against another army should downplay a person's reputation as a military genius far more than using greater numbers against your foe.
HailLenin
BTW people just to let you know. The Ancient Bulgars were the real grandchildren of Attila the Hun, not Hungarians. The forefather to all Hungarians was Arpad who was a Magyar. Attila the Hun's real name was AvitoHol Khan, Attila was the Latin name the greek and Romans called him.

The Bulgars, descendants of Attila, completely destroyed the Greco-Roman forces of Byzantium numerous times on the Battlefield and they bottled up Byzantine to Constantinople and it was beacuse of the Bulgar why Byzantium was so numble when Ottomans took them over.

How come no body ever talks about the Bulgarian Khans when you talk about Conquerers??? The Bulgarian Khan's successes greatly triumphs those of Attila the Hun.

And BTW, Byzantium never conquered all of Bulgarian. At the height of Byzantine dominance, they occupied around 80% of Bulgarian Empire. But that lasted for around 16 years. During 1940, the Bulgarians revolted; and while they Bulgars failed to restore the Bulgarian Empire. They managed to completely expell all of Byzantine forces from the Whole Western Half of Bulgaria, and Byzantine forces would never occupy those lands again.
KimchiJuice
Korea is the greatest conqueror.
plumentrast
Euclid. That guy beats everyone, including Einstein.
samnang
im gonna have to go with korea
retaxis
i am going with muhammad as whatever the other 3 conquers did has no effect on what we do right now where as islam exists stronger then ever.
HolyHuG
Alexander..

though I think Attila's story is more interesting LOL
Jc2
Satoshi Tajiri was quite a good conqueror. He and the people working for him conquered the children's minds worldwide 10 years ago with his Pokémon franchise
Jagger
My top five picks would probably be:

Cyrus the Great (576-530 BC) - Conquered the Median, Neo-Babylonian and Lydian empires. Founded the Persian Empire, which would become the largest empire in antiquity.

Alexander the Great (356–323 BC) - Conquered the Persian Empire as a young man. Founded the Macedonian Empire, the first and largest Hellenistic empire.

Chandragupta Maurya (340-290 BC) - Conquered the Nanda Empire and eastern provinces of the Macedonian Empire as a teenager. Founded the Maurya Empire, which would become the first Buddhist empire.

Khalid ibn al-Walid (592-642 AD) - Conquered Arabia, the Persian Empire, and the Asian provinces of the Roman Empire. Established the Islamic Caliphate as an empire, which would become the largest empire the world had yet seen.

Chingis Khan (1162–1227) - Conquered Mongolia, the Kara-Khitan Khanate, and the Western Xia, Jin and Khwarezmian dynasties. Founded the Mongol Empire, which would become the largest land empire in history.

And I think this guy deserves an honourable mention despite not really being a conqueror:

Hannibal Barca (248–183 BC) - Nearly conquered the Roman Republic against impossible odds, almost single-handedly without any support or reinforcements from his homeland Carthage. He would have been one of the greatest conquerors had he succeeded.
MangoMania
^ good list

i would probably go with alexander

i am too lazy to explain why embarassedlaugh.gif

but if you ask me nicely i will icon_smile.gif
Jagger
^ I refuse to ask you nicely, Mango... so just tell me why already, or else I'll munch you for desert! munch.gif
JakeCutter
Cyrus showed King Croesus who was boss.
sks88
my list id say

gotta put Napoleon Bonaparte at top IMO

Julius Caesar

Charlemagne

and

Saladin
p0734334
Bill gates.
Without him , do you think you are able to have access to a new info-technological era ? (Computers, internet, hardware,software,etc)
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