...NETs with its own english speaking people in the classrooms?

i have become an advocate of the affirmative on this topic. i feel that as the years have progressed, korean english speakers have improved immensely and that it is time for korea to show confidence in its people and the program it has invested so much money.

i would like to see more and more english speaking koreans placed in the classroom with the goal of replacing 90% of the NETs in 5 years. They have studied hard over the years and now all they lack is the confidence in themselves and their ability.

your thoughts...?

What the hell is NET?

NET = Native English Teacher

OH, native English teacher.. I was wondering what NET stood for.

any real thoughts?

I vote you give up your job and leave Korea first. Set a good example. Be gone.

it is sad that unintelligent people have to ruin the threads of others. how immature the above quoted poster is and how childish

I don't think it's necessary. I don't think there's enough supply of Korean American English teachers to satisfy the demand. I prefer Korea to start hiring native English teachers from third world countries, but I understand accent can be a problem.

I somehow knew that your topic will offend a lot of people here because they are NET LOL

who cares if they get offended, it is a viabletopic andone that needs to be discussed as many NEts are not doing their jobs or could care less about teaching.



don'tneed them to be speaking 'american' english. that is the worst and laziest of all versions. i advocate british english because it is the best.



then they wouldn't be native english teachers. it isn't just the accent but they do not grasp all of the nuances of the language.

over the years i have seen a marked improvement in the english ability of korean students and koreans need to start giving their people confidence and inserting them into the classroom. one reason i say this is because a couple months ago, i had the dis-pleasure of encountering an american at an open class. not only was he uneducated, but he was rude, ignorant and could not speak very well. i wanted to go up to his korean co-teacher and apologize to her for receiving such an uncouth unqualified person. she was embarrassed by all the things he did in public and so was i.

a limited example, i know, but there are more out there just like that person and it is a dis-service to students to have such an example teaching. korean english teachers cando a fa better job.

Then that's a problem with quality control, not the policy itself of hiring native English teachers. There are only two million Korean Americans, I find it doubtful that's enough of a supply base to satisfy the demands.

archie advocates British English, hilarious. You're a Canuck with no credentials to teach British English you twit. And my other point was that if you're so eager to get NET's out of Korea, you should be first. It's hypocritical to suggest to others something you wouldn't do yourself, so, be gone.

i do not recall the OP, the title or the purpose of this thread included bashing the person who started it. obviously, ty-rex has a real problem.

it is also clear that people cannot think, discuss or participate in a serious discussion

Just asking you to practice what you preach, hypocrite. I think I can get a pool started to get you out of Korea, just let me know when your bags are packed.

Interesting idea opting for the Queen's English over American English.

(FYI, I began with British English and spoke it for several years before learning American, so I have a rather solid basis for comparison of the two dialects.)

Considering the premise that most Koreans learn English for business reasons and that this is why the SK government promotes educating its people in that language, why would you not choose the dialect which is the source of the majority of commercial, technical, scientific and intellectual terminology. British industry is not the leader in the evolution of English linguistics. That is overwhelmingly the purvue of American English. Therefore to even consider adoption of the Brit patois would be detrimental to SK, both culturally and economically.

Hope my verbiage was not to Amercanized for you, archy.

that is just crap. learning the english language the proper way is in noway detrimental to a country's economics or culture. more people speak british english than american. as i tell my students, the american version is the laziest, easiest, most corrupt version out there and that ha sbeen proven true via Paul Johnson's book, 'A History of the American People' as he quotes the complaints from Noah Webster and another english language reformer.

Their work went unheeded as the american people do not take pride in their language but seek to ruin it through the idea of doing it the way they want, which is wrong. there are rules for a reaon and rules are not meant to be broken.

Noah Webster? Jackass, join the 21st century. American English is what is clamored for all around the world. More countries may have a history of language based on British English but the fact is even the Brits are trying to speak American these days. Dummy.

Can't see how the british or american english argument is relevant.


Korean English teachers and Native english teachers have their own cliche in the market.
People who want to learn conversation and "american expressions" opt for native teachers.
Those who are preparing for college exams and other language exams like TOEIC and TOEFL opt for the Koreans, since they are taught in the perspective of a foreigner learning a new language.
The market's big enough and the demand is there, so I don't see a problem with the current arrangement.

goes to quality and mastery of the language, it is very relevent.



obviously some people do not learn from history andif the british are trying to learn american english then i am not the one who is a dummy (american english is not clamored for around the world}

p.s. it seems that the only way tyrex can discuss is by being abusive, sad.

If there were enough interested, qualified Native Korean English teachers, then this wouldn't be an issue.

I do agree though that the general ability of English in Korea has improved
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic....hlight=#2162982
but I'm not sure there are enough people to fill all of those teaching positions.

it doesn't matter if there is enough right now or not. the replacement can be done over time. i would say in 5 years 80% could be replaced.

And these numbers are coming from... where?

Out of his @$$ as usual. Just like his contention that American English is degraded vs British English.
Have you heard many Brits talk, archie? They sound like Henry Higgens's worst nightmare. "I loike me tea wif milk en 'ookies". Cripes. And that's just one example. There are so many different variations from the gutter cockney to that mumbling Yorkshire to the shrill and high Irish to thickly unintelligible Scotch and on and on but archie doesn't care. He thinks all Brits talk and teach like Professor Higgens. "The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain." See, it's these stupidly unthinking assertions you make that cause me to call you a moron.

BTW, dumdum, the closet survivor to Elizabethan English, generally thought of as a pure and clean dialect untarnished by foreign influences other than those in its roots, is not in England or anywhere else in the Commonwealth. It is in America in the Outer Banks Ocracoke Island of North Carolina. Dumdum.

is there any one else than the above two posters who have an opinion n this? i am ignoring the both of them as they have nothing constructive to offer and are trying to derail the thread

Aussie English!! ~ G'Day

the number of years i have used is plainly arbitrary but it seemed to be a realisitc goal as more students of english need to graudate.

the main purpose of this plan, of course, is for the korean government to start giving confidence to its people and demonstrate that their idea of hiring native speakers worked.

Ah, ok. Got it.

it is great not having to read c.c.'s posts. makes this forum a lot better.

aussie english--ha ha ha. very funny.

it woul dbe nice to see the NEt population decrease. i observed one american teacher recently who was totally unqualified for his position (the fact it was an american is immaterial,just posting his nationality for clarification) . not only was he the rudest person imaginable, he was not educated, borderlining on extreme retardation, no social skills and asked the most improper questions along with had nothing of intelligence to say. he was so bad, i wanted to walk over to his korean co-teacher and apologize to her for being stuck with such an unqualified person.

he may have had a degree but he learned nothing from his school years. this is one reason why koreans need to start replacing NEts with their own people. the product coming over from the west is not up to snuff anymore.

the dumbing down strategy worked in america.

And again, you first.

It seems to have worked just fine for you.

it is great not having to read c.c. or ty-rex.

the target teachers who should be replaced are not necessarily the ones sans education degrees or teacher's diplomas as many without such credentials are far better teachers and more flexible. they can adapt to the korean way much easier and better.

those glued to their western ideals or methods have far more problems because they want to do things their way and forget that this is not a western society and things just do not operate the western way. those who cannot accept this fact always have problemsin this country and try to blame the koreans when it is they who are at fault. the western way is not the only way to do things nor is it superior as exampled by the dumbing down strategy that has been successful in both canada and america.

CC is obviously baiting you. Don't understand why the mods let him do this on a daily basis.

Korea doesn't even need western teachers when there are millions of Koreans that can speak and write English flawlessly.

The problem is is that there are not millions of Korans that can read and write English flawlessly. If there were, then there would be zero demand for Native English Teachers.

I'm not sure where people are getting their numbers from, but they don't seem based in reality.

Whatever the number, there are plenty of Koreans who speak and write English flawlessly that can replace most if not all the westerners ESL teachers in Korea.

Majority of these Western ESL teachers are not English majors or are they qualified as teachers.

Where are they? When the jobs are posted, they could apply. If there were a million or more of them, they could easily fill those jobs - so why don't they? Why would a school/Government go through all the trouble of 'importing' thousands of teachers, when they've got all of these Koreans who speak and write English flawlessly right in Korea?

Why would they do this?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125121641858657345.html

Korean Americans do better than whites on the critical reading and writing sections of the SAT.

And that's relevant, how?

... it means their grasp of the English language is better.

There are many advantages to hiring Korean Americans over whites:

1) Lowered crime rates
2) Less disruption of society
3) No import of white racism
4) Better instruction
5) They care more about the country

Yes, well, I believe the idea of the OP is to replace all NET's (and presumably that would include Korean-Americans) with native Koreans so your point is moot.

I'm under the impression that when Koreans say "their own people" they often mean all Koreans regardless of country of residence.

The OP is a YT from Canada.

Although there is a substantial amount of Korean Americans quite capable of taking on the positions of English teachers in Korea, I think there is a lack of incentive and awareness amongst Koreans in the US about these jobs, the result being the recruitment of many (not all) sub-par teachers whose only real credibility lies in their "authenticity".

The main problem of English education in Korea are these ineffective teachers. It truly does not matter in terms of education who replaces them, whether they be good NETs, native Koreans, or Korean Americans. However, for Korea's sake on many levels, it would be more preferable if Koreans, regardless of origin, are hired.

1) Korean Americans are just as capable of committing crimes in Korea.
2) How so?
3) I suppose. But I have not met many 'White racists' over here. Most racists I know from back home wouldn't dream of coming.
4) How so?
5) Are you sure?