Why Inuits and Siberia Yuits speak the same language, use the similar tools, and share the similar culture?
Even nowaday, a person can go across the Bering Strait by foot or rowboat http://www.angusadventures.com/beringstrait.html. It would be a piece of cake for Eskimos or Paleo-Eskimos, or even Pre-Paleo-Eskimos to do the same.
Alaska Indian Tlingits are the mixture of Inuits and Ne-Dene family Indians. Some of them live like Eskimos. And those people could also bring the gene back to Asia mainland.
AF is so slow now
QUOTE (SnoSlick56 @ Sep 15 2009, 04:14 PM) 
Why Inuits and Siberia Yuits speak the same language, use the similar tools, and share the similar culture?
Even nowaday, a person can go across the Bering Strait by foot or rowboat http://www.angusadventures.com/beringstrait.html. It would be a piece of cake for Eskimos or Paleo-Eskimos, or even Pre-Paleo-Eskimos to do the same.
Alaska Indian Tlingits are the mixture of Inuits and Ne-Dene family Indians. Some of them live like Eskimos. And those people could also bring the gene back to Asia mainland.
Even nowaday, a person can go across the Bering Strait by foot or rowboat http://www.angusadventures.com/beringstrait.html. It would be a piece of cake for Eskimos or Paleo-Eskimos, or even Pre-Paleo-Eskimos to do the same.
Alaska Indian Tlingits are the mixture of Inuits and Ne-Dene family Indians. Some of them live like Eskimos. And those people could also bring the gene back to Asia mainland.
I'm sure some did, and I'm sure it wasn't just one migration through there.
I don't think Native Americans like that theory.
Ask any Native Americans and they will tell you straight up.
"WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THIS LAND AND OUR PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIVING HERE."
There were many great Native Civilizations long ago in America.
The Ancient Asanazis, the Ancient Civilization of the Mississipians that are closely related to the Aztec.
The list goes on.
Ask any Native Americans and they will tell you straight up.
"WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THIS LAND AND OUR PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIVING HERE."
There were many great Native Civilizations long ago in America.
The Ancient Asanazis, the Ancient Civilization of the Mississipians that are closely related to the Aztec.
The list goes on.
QUOTE (mayflowerboy @ Sep 17 2009, 04:49 AM)
I don't think Native Americans like that theory.
Ask any Native Americans and they will tell you straight up.
"WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THIS LAND AND OUR PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIVING HERE."
There were many great Native Civilizations long ago in America.
The Ancient Asanazis, the Ancient Civilization of the Mississipians that are closely related to the Aztec.
The list goes on.
Ask any Native Americans and they will tell you straight up.
"WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THIS LAND AND OUR PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIVING HERE."
There were many great Native Civilizations long ago in America.
The Ancient Asanazis, the Ancient Civilization of the Mississipians that are closely related to the Aztec.
The list goes on.
But, I doubt the ancient peoples had any idea about what was "Asia" and what was "America". The distance across is only 80 km, and there's a couple of islands in the middle. They may very well have considered Asia and Alaska part of the same continuum (perhaps?).
Whatever the case, there are oral accounts of Yuits back migrating and meeting the ancestors of the Chukchi people. They met at the small islands in the middle of the Bering Strait and after a short period of warring, they made peace and exchanged technology. Some of the Yuits settled on the Asian side, and also some Yupik did at some point and they still live there - although I think some merging have happened over the years (And the Russian+Soviet influence have muddled the issue, as they tried to "russify" the peoples there, and placed people of different ethnicities together in collectives, destroying their ethnic identity, and in some cases their languages - often by force).
The question is, did the same thing happen earlier? Some studies seems to suggest that there was a small earlier back migration, but that those people migrated to the Americas later, so their descendants don't live in Asia any more, and that the early peoples of NE Asia were somehow isolated for a long period, even before migration to the Americas. The different recent studies doesn't seem to correlate too well, so surely nothing is 100% certain.
QUOTE (SnoSlick56 @ Sep 15 2009, 04:14 PM)
Why Inuits and Siberia Yuits speak the same language, use the similar tools, and share the similar culture?
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That's because they were the same continent before asia and america split.
Inuits and siberia yuits have the same ancestors before the 2 continents splitted apart.
The yuits lived in a much colder and northern region (artic weather) than outer manchuria to the south.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_language
The inuit language is different from the tungusic people of outer manchuria.
QUOTE (cyberchina @ Sep 17 2009, 04:02 AM)
That's because they were the same continent before asia and america split...
...The inuit language is different from the tungusic people of outer manchuria.
...The inuit language is different from the tungusic people of outer manchuria.
QUOTE (JaM @ Sep 16 2009, 11:32 PM)
...The question is, did the same thing happen earlier? Some studies seems to suggest that there was a small earlier back migration, but that those people migrated to the Americas later, so their descendants don't live in Asia any more, and that the early peoples of NE Asia were somehow isolated for a long period, even before migration to the Americas. The different recent studies doesn't seem to correlate too well, so surely nothing is 100% certain.
The contentints were seperated 13ky+ ago. WIth this king of the long seperation, two groups supposedly won't be able to share the near identical life style, same tools, moreover, the communicatable language.
Actually Inuits did not originate from the Bering Strait, but 1st appeared at the tie point of Aleutian Island and Alaska mainland. They migrated northwards, reached the Bering Strait, then swept out Paleo-Eskimo Dorsets and reached Greenland just just within a few hundred years. At the time of their arrival at Greenland, there were a mini arctic ice age. That enabled Inuits to move southward in greenland and Northern Canada in 13 century, encounted Northern European's colony in Greenland and possible in Canada, and annihilate them.
So during this mini ice age, the Bering Strait should be frozen, and larger scale migrations to Asia Mainland were all possible.
Acutal Autosomal Chromosome analysis shown that in Actic Asia, more than 50% of the genetic contribution were from North America. The corridor of costal Siberia, Japan, and Taiwan, whose populations have the highest percentage of North American genetic contribution.
See:
--Arctic region - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...30a29c589d2.png
......The primary North American Indian genetic contribution identified for the Arctic region may indicate gene flow from Alaska to Siberia. This would reverse the usual scholarly presumption that North American populations have been only a recipient of Asian immigrants and not a source of American Indian emigrants to Asia. To explore this connection with North America further, a reciprocal analysis was performed.
--Japanese North American Gene Contribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...bedace6ef75.jpg
--Taiwan Native Atayal N American Gene COntribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...0bfcd8f344d.png
I think the research on the pre-Columbus modern time Bering Strait human migration is blocked due to some political reasons.
i read about 85% of the thread but i wanted to throw in now the yupik live in BOTH (eastern) Siberia and (southern) Alaska. how's that for a sign of sharing between the two cultures?
QUOTE (myhorneytalking @ Sep 17 2009, 10:12 AM)
i read about 85% of the thread but i wanted to throw in now the yupik live in BOTH (eastern) Siberia and (southern) Alaska. how's that for a sign of sharing between the two cultures?
Do more searches by yourself. It's not hard to clarify.
QUOTE (cyberchina @ Sep 17 2009, 04:02 AM)
The yuits lived in a much colder and northern region (artic weather) than outer manchuria to the south.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_language
The inuit language is different from the tungusic people of outer manchuria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_language
The inuit language is different from the tungusic people of outer manchuria.
Neo-Eskimo (Inuits) possiblly are more genetically related to East Asian than Mongol or Ervenki.
Leave the 500 Nations alone.
QUOTE (SnoSlick56 @ Sep 17 2009, 05:00 PM)
Actually Inuits did not originate from the Bering Strait, but 1st appeared at the tie point of Aleutian Island and Alaska mainland. They migrated northwards, reached the Bering Strait, then swept out Paleo-Eskimo Dorsets and reached Greenland just just within a few hundred years. At the time of their arrival at Greenland, there were a mini arctic ice age. That enabled Inuits to move southward in greenland and Northern Canada in 13 century, encounted Northern European's colony in Greenland and possible in Canada, and annihilate them.
So during this mini ice age, the Bering Strait should be frozen, and larger scale migrations to Asia Mainland were all possible.
Acutal Autosomal Chromosome analysis shown that in Actic Asia, more than 50% of the genetic contribution were from North America. The corridor of costal Siberia, Japan, and Taiwan, whose populations have the highest percentage of North American genetic contribution.
So during this mini ice age, the Bering Strait should be frozen, and larger scale migrations to Asia Mainland were all possible.
Acutal Autosomal Chromosome analysis shown that in Actic Asia, more than 50% of the genetic contribution were from North America. The corridor of costal Siberia, Japan, and Taiwan, whose populations have the highest percentage of North American genetic contribution.
Interesting. Unfortunately the actual timeframe for the myths I mentioned is unknown, but it must have happened after the mini ice age, because they did use boats - and the Chukchi didn't arrive here until later anyway. I believe that it is possible that back migration happened much earlier than the mini ice age. It is possible that there was a general movement backand forth at some point, but it is not certain whether the people who back migrated met anyone else but the people they originated from, though the studies you mention seems to suggest that they did (I can't read the links, though.)
QUOTE (JaM @ Sep 19 2009, 01:36 AM)
I believe that it is possible that back migration happened much earlier than the mini ice age.
I fixed the links, they should be able to open. otherwise try this link about the arctic genetic contribution: http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2008-10-25.pdf.
Yes back migration happened way before. Not only Inuits did it, but also had done by paleo-Eskimos like Dorsets, Indendent 1 & Independent 2 . I believe the back migrations were consistent for many many thousands years.
QUOTE (SnoSlick56 @ Sep 19 2009, 10:36 AM)
I fixed the links, they should be able to open. otherwise try this link about the arctic genetic contribution: http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2008-10-25.pdf.
Yes back migration happened way before. Not only Inuits did it, but also had done by paleo-Eskimos like Dorsets, Indendent 1 & Independent 2 . I believe the back migrations were consistent for many many thousands years.
Yes back migration happened way before. Not only Inuits did it, but also had done by paleo-Eskimos like Dorsets, Indendent 1 & Independent 2 . I believe the back migrations were consistent for many many thousands years.
Thanks. I believe so too, based on the evidence so far.
QUOTE (SnoSlick56 @ Sep 17 2009, 10:00 AM)
The contentints were seperated 13ky+ ago. WIth this king of the long seperation, two groups supposedly won't be able to share the near identical life style, same tools, moreover, the communicatable language.
Actually Inuits did not originate from the Bering Strait, but 1st appeared at the tie point of Aleutian Island and Alaska mainland. They migrated northwards, reached the Bering Strait, then swept out Paleo-Eskimo Dorsets and reached Greenland just just within a few hundred years. At the time of their arrival at Greenland, there were a mini arctic ice age. That enabled Inuits to move southward in greenland and Northern Canada in 13 century, encounted Northern European's colony in Greenland and possible in Canada, and annihilate them.
So during this mini ice age, the Bering Strait should be frozen, and larger scale migrations to Asia Mainland were all possible.
Acutal Autosomal Chromosome analysis shown that in Actic Asia, more than 50% of the genetic contribution were from North America. The corridor of costal Siberia, Japan, and Taiwan, whose populations have the highest percentage of North American genetic contribution.
See:
--Arctic region - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...30a29c589d2.png
......The primary North American Indian genetic contribution identified for the Arctic region may indicate gene flow from Alaska to Siberia. This would reverse the usual scholarly presumption that North American populations have been only a recipient of Asian immigrants and not a source of American Indian emigrants to Asia. To explore this connection with North America further, a reciprocal analysis was performed.
--Japanese North American Gene Contribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...bedace6ef75.jpg
--Taiwan Native Atayal N American Gene COntribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...0bfcd8f344d.png
I think the research on the pre-Columbus modern time Bering Strait human migration is blocked due to some political reasons.
Actually Inuits did not originate from the Bering Strait, but 1st appeared at the tie point of Aleutian Island and Alaska mainland. They migrated northwards, reached the Bering Strait, then swept out Paleo-Eskimo Dorsets and reached Greenland just just within a few hundred years. At the time of their arrival at Greenland, there were a mini arctic ice age. That enabled Inuits to move southward in greenland and Northern Canada in 13 century, encounted Northern European's colony in Greenland and possible in Canada, and annihilate them.
So during this mini ice age, the Bering Strait should be frozen, and larger scale migrations to Asia Mainland were all possible.
Acutal Autosomal Chromosome analysis shown that in Actic Asia, more than 50% of the genetic contribution were from North America. The corridor of costal Siberia, Japan, and Taiwan, whose populations have the highest percentage of North American genetic contribution.
See:
--Arctic region - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...30a29c589d2.png
......The primary North American Indian genetic contribution identified for the Arctic region may indicate gene flow from Alaska to Siberia. This would reverse the usual scholarly presumption that North American populations have been only a recipient of Asian immigrants and not a source of American Indian emigrants to Asia. To explore this connection with North America further, a reciprocal analysis was performed.
--Japanese North American Gene Contribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...bedace6ef75.jpg
--Taiwan Native Atayal N American Gene COntribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...0bfcd8f344d.png
I think the research on the pre-Columbus modern time Bering Strait human migration is blocked due to some political reasons.
But that back and forth migration was not enough to protect native americans against smallpox.
QUOTE (SnoSlick56 @ Sep 17 2009, 11:00 AM)
The contentints were seperated 13ky+ ago. WIth this king of the long seperation, two groups supposedly won't be able to share the near identical life style, same tools, moreover, the communicatable language.
Actually Inuits did not originate from the Bering Strait, but 1st appeared at the tie point of Aleutian Island and Alaska mainland. They migrated northwards, reached the Bering Strait, then swept out Paleo-Eskimo Dorsets and reached Greenland just just within a few hundred years. At the time of their arrival at Greenland, there were a mini arctic ice age. That enabled Inuits to move southward in greenland and Northern Canada in 13 century, encounted Northern European's colony in Greenland and possible in Canada, and annihilate them.
So during this mini ice age, the Bering Strait should be frozen, and larger scale migrations to Asia Mainland were all possible.
Acutal Autosomal Chromosome analysis shown that in Actic Asia, more than 50% of the genetic contribution were from North America. The corridor of costal Siberia, Japan, and Taiwan, whose populations have the highest percentage of North American genetic contribution.
See:
--Arctic region - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...30a29c589d2.png
......The primary North American Indian genetic contribution identified for the Arctic region may indicate gene flow from Alaska to Siberia. This would reverse the usual scholarly presumption that North American populations have been only a recipient of Asian immigrants and not a source of American Indian emigrants to Asia. To explore this connection with North America further, a reciprocal analysis was performed.
--Japanese North American Gene Contribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...bedace6ef75.jpg
--Taiwan Native Atayal N American Gene COntribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...0bfcd8f344d.png
I think the research on the pre-Columbus modern time Bering Strait human migration is blocked due to some political reasons.
Actually Inuits did not originate from the Bering Strait, but 1st appeared at the tie point of Aleutian Island and Alaska mainland. They migrated northwards, reached the Bering Strait, then swept out Paleo-Eskimo Dorsets and reached Greenland just just within a few hundred years. At the time of their arrival at Greenland, there were a mini arctic ice age. That enabled Inuits to move southward in greenland and Northern Canada in 13 century, encounted Northern European's colony in Greenland and possible in Canada, and annihilate them.
So during this mini ice age, the Bering Strait should be frozen, and larger scale migrations to Asia Mainland were all possible.
Acutal Autosomal Chromosome analysis shown that in Actic Asia, more than 50% of the genetic contribution were from North America. The corridor of costal Siberia, Japan, and Taiwan, whose populations have the highest percentage of North American genetic contribution.
See:
--Arctic region - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...30a29c589d2.png
......The primary North American Indian genetic contribution identified for the Arctic region may indicate gene flow from Alaska to Siberia. This would reverse the usual scholarly presumption that North American populations have been only a recipient of Asian immigrants and not a source of American Indian emigrants to Asia. To explore this connection with North America further, a reciprocal analysis was performed.
--Japanese North American Gene Contribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...bedace6ef75.jpg
--Taiwan Native Atayal N American Gene COntribution - http://konglong.5d6d.com/userdirs/8/6/kong...0bfcd8f344d.png
I think the research on the pre-Columbus modern time Bering Strait human migration is blocked due to some political reasons.
That's pretty informative. I never knew that native americans had anything to do with Taiwan or Japan.
Pretty sure the Northeast Asian phenotype emerged in the Americas, then they went back to Northeast Asia and became the Northeast Asians.
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