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Conan1
What happen when Democracy starting a war with Communist countries. Will we become a meat shield to defend the Western Democracy or can we act as neutral but how?

This is such an embarrassing thoughts!!!

What's worse than Communist China? If you do a research for this topic then you will realize that nearly all of Middle Eastern countries, nearly all of African countries, Mexico and a lot more countries that are 10Xworser than East Asian communist but because we echoed their sin won't make us any better but worse instead.

Why do we sacrifice too much for Democracy when the Western don't really care? and if war break out between them since America is thirst for resources so they are willing to use 127million Japanese, 48million SKorean, 20million Taiwanese and maybe even 87million Vietnamese as a sacrifice for their war against big countries such as China or Russia.

But if the West mistreat us now so they will kill us later. We are sitting on a decline in population, yet they take our women and discriminate our men. Their women strangely dating any terrorist or anything that is killing them and they didn't care but they are too much to date a Chinese or a Japanese, why is that?

It is because the West are scared of those terrorist and corrupted people, those people never fight their corruption but they defend themselves instead. This is thew reason why we never hear anything bad from them or about them because we will be considered racist.

So, ignore my rudimentary English level and start considering about uniting East Asia (ASEAN+3) from this moment onwards. Otherwise, Asian race as we know will become extincted!!!
ozm
no! I'm gonna be different and be against asian unity so I can be closer to my white masters!
Jiaqiu
Look, allow them to take as much of our women they want. Theres more Chinese women than the population of the U.S both male and female combined.

If they breed enough with us, their race will be destroyed. LOL
kakabonga
QUOTE (Oyabun @ Sep 17 2009, 08:02 PM) *
I'm gonna be different too, fu-k Democracy and Communism, they're both evil. me myself, I'm a big fan of National Socialism, they've got some excellent ideas.


Last time Japan practiced national socialism, it almost sunk beneath the ocean.
Conan1
What do you think about George Bush as a Jewish and Obama as a Black African being the president of the United State?

If America is one day ruled by a Japanese or East Asian hater they might launch an invasion towards our nations. What are the only way for us to defend ourselves?

Let's say the next American president is a Mexican or Indian and he's secretly hating Japan of S Korea and he might start a war against us just like the way George Bush did to Irag.

So I'm just thinking our current position is extremely unsafe and we need to unite. with better life with each other we can produce more geniuses to protect our nations. What do you guys think?
Made in China
EVERYONE, not only the West are scared of terrorist. China created the SCO with Russia (Chenchya rebels?) in order to deal with separtist Uighyr terrorist in the Xinjiang region of China.

China and Russia are scared of terrorist too. Fear of terrorism is not exclusive to the West only. Russia has problems with Chenchyen rebel separatist, so does China with Tibetan terrorist! (yes they do exist) lol

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Why do we sacrifice too much for Democracy when the Western don't really care? and if war break out between them since America is thirst for resources so they are willing to use 127million Japanese, 48million SKorean, 20million Taiwanese and maybe even 87million Vietnamese as a sacrifice for their war against big countries such as China or Russia.


If the people in a democracy choose to not to go into an unjust war, then they will elect leaders who will reflect that view.

Communist, theological, dictatorships, etc... can't do the same. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

WHY WOULD VIETNAM FIGHT ON THE AMERICAN'S SIDE??? It's a socialist market economy just like China lol. Russia would also favor NATO over China anyday. Really...
VietYue
QUOTE (Conan1 @ Sep 16 2009, 03:25 PM) *
What happen when Democracy starting a war with Communist countries. Will we become a meat shield to defend the Western Democracy or can we act as neutral but how?

This is such an embarrassing thoughts!!!

What's worse than Communist China? If you do a research for this topic then you will realize that nearly all of Middle Eastern countries, nearly all of African countries, Mexico and a lot more countries that are 10Xworser than East Asian communist but because we echoed their sin won't make us any better but worse instead.

Why do we sacrifice too much for Democracy when the Western don't really care? and if war break out between them since America is thirst for resources so they are willing to use 127million Japanese, 48million SKorean, 20million Taiwanese and maybe even 87million Vietnamese as a sacrifice for their war against big countries such as China or Russia.

But if the West mistreat us now so they will kill us later. We are sitting on a decline in population, yet they take our women and discriminate our men. Their women strangely dating any terrorist or anything that is killing them and they didn't care but they are too much to date a Chinese or a Japanese, why is that?

It is because the West are scared of those terrorist and corrupted people, those people never fight their corruption but they defend themselves instead. This is thew reason why we never hear anything bad from them or about them because we will be considered racist.

So, ignore my rudimentary English level and start considering about uniting East Asia (ASEAN+3) from this moment onwards. Otherwise, Asian race as we know will become extincted!!!



I do believe Vietnam technically is still a communist country! So, it sounds ironically to join any alliance to against any communist country:) Beside China, the Viets have strong and bold relationship with Cuba, Lao, also North Korea. At last, I don't think any benefit for the Viets to be an enemy with a powerful giant neighbor. Both countries have a traditional longlive retionship for thousand years. On the other hand, I think there is no country in the world like Vietnam learn so much experiences with China. Under China domination for nearly 1000 years (under the rule of Qin, Han, Tang dynasties) and had fiercely wars with her every single dynasty after gaining its independence (Song, Yuan (3 times!), Ming, Ching, and the last with the People Republic of China in 1979!) not including other 'business' like Champa, Siam, France, Japan, Khmer Rouge, and the nastiest , wildest, longest war with the U.S.

While trying the best to keep the tradional, long live relationship with the mighty neighbor, the Viets always keeps alertness, and ready for any unexpected unavoidable 'case'. Nobody knows China well than Vietnam, and vice versa...! There are more than enough wars in Vietnam history, let's them take some break icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif


Oyabun
QUOTE (kakabonga @ Sep 17 2009, 11:06 PM) *
Last time Japan practiced national socialism, it almost sunk beneath the ocean.




Japan never ever practiced national socialism, it was facist, there is in fact a huge difference.
Eka_miminum_sumawa_kang_susuka
I think its time that East Asia and ASEAN would have an Economic, military and Political block.
cataphrat1
QUOTE (Conan1 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:25 PM) *
What happen when Democracy starting a war with Communist countries. Will we become a meat shield to defend the Western Democracy or can we act as neutral but how?


If by Communist countries, you mean China, and North Korea, then save your breath.
A. China isn't a communist country, only the name remains of the ruling party, it is as communist as B-2 a German design(It isn't).
B. North Korea would easily be a push over for the NATO, or US forces, and if you are worried about nukes, there is a reason why USA has given you the AEGIS destroyers.

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What's worse than Communist China? If you do a research for this topic then you will realize that nearly all of Middle Eastern countries, nearly all of African countries, Mexico and a lot more countries that are 10Xworser than East Asian communist but because we echoed their sin won't make us any better but worse instead.


If by Communist China, you mean in the 1960s, well... What country has caused 30,000,000 deaths due to inadequate economic, social, and political policies?
But that China is long gone, with Mao's death. China has become quite capitalistic, while still remains dictatorial, it is far from being a Communist regime.

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Why do we sacrifice too much for Democracy when the Western don't really care? and if war break out between them since America is thirst for resources so they are willing to use 127million Japanese, 48million SKorean, 20million Taiwanese and maybe even 87million Vietnamese as a sacrifice for their war against big countries such as China or Russia.


1stly, A war between China and America would be all but impossible. When either sides becomes hostile, the trade limitations imposed on both countries would make the war unsustainable. And as for Russia, well, She is having trouble keeping her military rolling. The financial hit was too great from the collapse of USSR and the lost of the satellite states.
2ndly, America places the defense of Asian allies very seriously, which is one of the main reasons for the stationing of one of the major fleets in the pacific. It costs billions to operate, while giving minimal returns in terms of resources.

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But if the West mistreat us now so they will kill us later. We are sitting on a decline in population, yet they take our women and discriminate our men. Their women strangely dating any terrorist or anything that is killing them and they didn't care but they are too much to date a Chinese or a Japanese, why is that?


It is called Choice. The western governments have No power over their people's personal decisions, and neither does Japan. I could hardly see this as a fault, or problem.

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It is because the West are scared of those terrorist and corrupted people, those people never fight their corruption but they defend themselves instead. This is thew reason why we never hear anything bad from them or about them because we will be considered racist.


What? If by Terrorists, You mean Talibans and Al-Qaedas, they are responsible for many suicide bombings of numerous areas, not just American targets.
And by Corrupt people, you mean Saddam Hussein who would, and has used chemical weapons against civilians.

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So, ignore my rudimentary English level and start considering about uniting East Asia (ASEAN+3) from this moment onwards. Otherwise, Asian race as we know will become extincted!!!


Asian Race is definitely NOT going to be extinct, at least, not with the current evidence. The population is massive, and the genetic traits of Asians are more "dominant" than that of Caucasians, but are more "recessive" than that of the Africans. So the only way for Asians to be wiped out is by a mass interbreeding spree between Africans and Asians, ALL Asians. This is simply not plausible.
cataphrat1
QUOTE (Oyabun @ Oct 11 2009, 05:29 PM) *
Japan never ever practiced national socialism, it was facist, there is in fact a huge difference.


Right, do you know who led this party?

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, English : National Socialist German Workers' Party

Just saying...

From Merriam Webster

"Main Entry: national socialism
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized N&S
Date: 1931

: nazism"

from Dictionary.com

"National Socialism

Use national socialism in a Sentence
See web results for national socialism
See images of national socialism
–noun
the principles and practices of the Nazi party in Germany."

Do you REALLY want this to happen again?
retaxis
you obviously have no idea what communism or democracy is. Communism can be compared with capitalism not with democracy. Democracy can be compared with monarchy or authotarian rule.

Your so stupid your comparing bananas with volley balls.....

i hate it when people talk about politics but know jack sh1t
cataphrat1
QUOTE (retaxis @ Oct 29 2009, 02:30 AM) *
you obviously have no idea what communism or democracy is. Communism can be compared with capitalism not with democracy. Democracy can be compared with monarchy or authotarian rule.

Your so stupid your comparing bananas with volley balls.....

i hate it when people talk about politics but know jack sh1t


I was merely stating it being dictatorial to avoid sounding like as if China is now a democratic society.
But yes, the end run of Communism is a democratic society, however, typically, the power given to the political party on the way, corrupts them.
blackosama
Japaese communist riot, lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoujVbP4xw
Jagger
"Democracy vs Communism" is a ridiculous comparison, more nonsensical than comparing apples to oranges.

Communism is an economic system, whereas democracy is a political system. They are not mutually exclusive! Democratically-elected communist states do exist today, such as the West Bengal state in India.

More appropriate comparisons would be "Democracy vs Dictatorship" or "Communism vs Capitalism".
Taln
QUOTE (Jagger @ Nov 12 2009, 11:02 PM) *
"Democracy vs Communism" is a ridiculous comparison, more nonsensical than comparing apples to oranges.

Communism is an economic system, whereas democracy is a political system. They are not mutually exclusive! Democratically-elected communist states do exist today, such as the West Bengal state in India.

More appropriate comparisons would be "Democracy vs Dictatorship" or "Communism vs Capitalism".


Thank you for some accuracy here. Additionally there are no true Democratic or Communist countries. The U.S. is a representative democracy - drastically altered from the ideal and the countries who have attempted true communism have discovered that their economy fails, largely from lack of incentive and initiative.

As for an allied political bloc in Asia, good luck. I see the spirit of it as beneficial, but completely irrational given the wide diversity of cultures and the extensiveness of historical conflicts.

A less intellectual side of me wonders if it were possible to form a solid alliance of all "asian" nations, would not be a disservice by creating a single, stronger, stereotype. It could make racial conflicts between the east and west even worse. Currently a lot of racisim is actually based on nationality and doesn't apply unilaterally to all Asians. This might make it easier for the ignorant to lump all Asians together and increase those numbers.
chiuchimu
The days of the puppet master are gone. No one, not even corn belt America is going to buy the evil communist speech anymore. Even the evil Muslim rhetoric is becoming suspicious. We are not a shield to protect China nor are we wall to keep China in.
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