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ryuji_yamamoto


http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ba5hXs...;q=&f=false

The allies planned to split the country up by because they thought that America had too much influence the plan never went ahead.
Cha
I learned about this from a Korean War documentary almost 2 decades ago.

In fact, they were going to divide Korea into more than two countries.
Mid-Night_Sun
LOL WTF. never heard of this. what is with white people and splitting things.
sinraptor
I heard about this but the US said no because they shed they most blood in the Pacific and KMT China could not have done it anyways as they were fighting a civil war and needed the troops home
shapingo
QUOTE (Mid-Night_Sun @ Sep 23 2009, 10:53 PM) *
LOL WTF. never heard of this. what is with white people and splitting things.


Divide and Conquer has always been the AngloSaxon motto. They even have plans to split the Middle East and some African nations even today.
twistedplastic
I DOUBT ITS TRUE, fu-kTARDS
Cha
QUOTE (twistedplastic @ Sep 26 2009, 04:13 AM) *
I DOUBT ITS TRUE, fu-kTARDS

Germany is one example. (Read about the Yalta Conference). It used to be divided into the US, USSR, British, and French sections. Then the three superpowers combined their German sections into West Germany. But then I understand why they had divided Germany that way. Germany devestated 20th century Europe twice. Fortunately, Germany today is different from the older one.

Korea was occupied by Japan even before WWI. Plus, this was a time when Japan had good relations with many powerful countries, and those countries accepted Japan's occupation on Korea. That's why the Allies had considered Korea as the same as Japan and they were going to divide Korea the same way. Thanks to Rhee Syngman's representation during WWII, the allies granted Korea's independence. (I understand that he isn't popular in Korea, but I have to admit that there were some good parts to him). Ironically, if Korea was divided into more than two as originally intended, then the USSR section would've been a lot smaller. South Korea would've been like West Germany. It would've been better than the current situation.
SoCal
Japan spirit is just too strong to be splitted like Germany orKorea.

QUOTE (ryuji_yamamoto @ Sep 22 2009, 10:03 PM) *


http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ba5hXs...;q=&f=false

The allies planned to split the country up by because they thought that America had too much influence the plan never went ahead.

CheolSu
^ Yeah, right, and Japan's spirit is also too strong to allow it to be invaded by America, right?

Japan wasn't split because America conquered the whole of it. Germany was split because the Russian army occupied the eastern half. That's all.
flipcombatmedic
I doubt it would have come to any fruition, the Allies, esp. McArthur by that time tried everything to keep the Russians out, given they've never really fought in the East even after the German surrender, thus the usage of the A bombs.
kakabonga
QUOTE (CheolSu @ Oct 1 2009, 02:09 PM) *
^ Yeah, right, and Japan's spirit is also too strong to allow it to be invaded by America, right?

Japan wasn't split because America conquered the whole of it. Germany was split because the Russian army occupied the eastern half. That's all.



ya, south Korea basically buffered Japan against a division.
SoCal
The Emperor, Shogun, and Sumurai would not allow Japan to be splitted and divided. The sun is just too strong.


QUOTE (CheolSu @ Oct 1 2009, 11:09 AM) *
^ Yeah, right, and Japan's spirit is also too strong to allow it to be invaded by America, right?

Japan wasn't split because America conquered the whole of it. Germany was split because the Russian army occupied the eastern half. That's all.

CheolSu
QUOTE (SoCal @ Oct 1 2009, 07:09 PM) *
The Emperor, Shogun, and Sumurai would not allow Japan to be splitted and divided. The sun is just too strong.


Is that what the pixies tell you?
SoCal
Don't be a hater.

QUOTE (CheolSu @ Oct 5 2009, 01:23 AM) *
Is that what the pixies tell you?

Taln
QUOTE (SoCal @ Oct 1 2009, 07:09 PM) *
The Emperor, Shogun, and Sumurai would not allow Japan to be splitted and divided. The sun is just too strong.


Strength has nothing to do with it once a government surrenders. Whomever accepts the surrender makes the decision and fortunately for Japan, the U.S. was not willing to make the same disastrous mistakes negotiating with Stalin that it did in Europe and China was too busy with its own internal struggles to be involved.
kaizen
QUOTE (SoCal @ Oct 1 2009, 08:09 PM) *
The Emperor, Shogun, and Sumurai would not allow Japan to be splitted and divided. The sun is just too strong.

Then the Americans came and raped japan.
krowdon
QUOTE (kaizen @ Oct 7 2009, 05:09 AM) *
Then the Americans came and raped japan.


Yes, by turning them into one of the most successful and powerful industrialized nations in the entire world.

They must feel so violated. bawling.gif
Made in China
China might be the next Superpower rival but so was Japan during the 1970's and 1980's was experiencing high GDP growth and enormous GDP.

Japan was said to have all the ingredients to become a Superpower to rival the US back during the 70's and 80's. That never came to fruition.

Large GDP (2nd largest in the world), technological powerhouse, and history has shown that Japan's military might is something to be reckon with.

Plus, Japan has the technology to develop nuclear weapons with like 1 day? LOL

Conclusion: If the US hegemony in Asia-Pacific is ever challenged, then Japan (via the "NK threat") will be a US proxy in the next "arms race" in Asia.

US/Japan/SK/Taiwan/Australia/New Zealand dynamo will be the front lines against Chinese expansion of influence beyond Asia-Pacific region.

India and Pakistan are probably allied with US too. lol
kaizen
QUOTE (krowdon @ Oct 7 2009, 08:06 PM) *
Yes, by turning them into one of the most successful and powerful industrialized nations in the entire world.

After two nukes. eek.gif
Made in China
Saved a lot of American lives and millions more Japanese lives (Operation Olympia). Can you imagine invading the Japanese home islands? It was expected to take 3 million US troops to take over Formosa (Taiwan) island alone. Much larger than D-Day invasion of France... Millions more would probably get owned afterward during occupation. Especially since the looming deadline of killing Japan no longer than 1 year after Victory over Europe (VJ Day over Germany)


Plus, American B-52 firebomb campaigns over the wooded houses of Tokyo did far more damage and killed far more casualties than the two nuclear bombs combined...
sinraptor
QUOTE (Made in China @ Oct 7 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Plus, American B-52 firebomb campaigns over the wooded houses of Tokyo did far more damage and killed far more casualties than the two nuclear bombs combined...

b-52 did not exist back then.....
martin_nuke
Maybe he meant B-25 not B-52

If im not mistaken were those the ones used in Pearl Harbor movie that took of on aircraft carriers and bomb Japan to avenge the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
kaizen
I've also heard soviets were preparing for invasion of japan by massing a navy from vladivostock.
Made in China
Soviet union mobolized a CRAZY amount of artillery, tanks, aircraft, and over 1.5 million men in the Russian Far East.

What was left of the Japanese Imperial Army was conscripts from Korea and pretty weak defense force occupying Manchuria in Northeast China.

Basically all the veteran elite Japanese forces were either killed or deployed somewhere else in the Pacific to fight the Americans lol.

Russia would have dominated Japan through the Sakhalin islands lol.
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