After watching China's 60th anniversary shows, I am more convinced than ever that China MUST retain its CCP monopoly and dominance.

Dont listen to democracy preachings by people who have ulterior motives, they dont want to preach democracy for the purpose of Chinese people well-being, but simply to weaken China.

Socialism with Chinese characteristics have succeeded magnificently, basically it recalibrate slowly and gradually from non-market economics and now have transformed itself into state-led capitalism similar to the past paths of South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia.

If this path is maintained steadily, growth and prosperity will be assured.

But more importantly in the political sphere, I am convinced 100% that the Chinese nation and race will rise to ever higher glory if it MAINTAINS the current political system, basically enlightened and benign authoritarianism.

DO NOT follow so-called democracy concept because it will open Pandora's box, just look at Taiwan as an example, or Thailand (also similar class struggles) and even South Korea also they have factional fightings.

Democracy basically means the weakening of nation's potential into various infigthing factions, it brings nothing good.

Only with a clear, strong, dominant, party, and political arena, can a nation be strong and united.

CCP changed itself from strict communists into market socialists, and have added some nationalism lately, if this path is maintained, in the future CCP will be a National Socialism Party, something very ideal for a big giant country with great ambitions such as China.

I support National Socialism (Nationalism + Socialism), this is the real answer for China.

I really hope National Socialism can take root in China, and that they dont listen to preachings and hectorings of "democracy". Never listen to that.

nazism is short for national socialism. It is seen that you are uneducated to see that national socialism = ultra right fascism while china is a far left socialism.

Also your words are said by only two types of people. the first type are the idiots who choose not to think for themselves and instead echo the words of chinese propaganda. Or two, your the immature little adolescent kid who will one day realise how silly you were.

Like they say, if your under 30 and not a socialist then you have no heart and if your over 30 and still a socialist then you have no brains.

On topic, there are better methods of governing china however we must also realise that different circumstances in a countries life span requires different ways of running the country. Right now China is doing well however one day it must slowly become a democracy, when democracy fails then a strong man like Mao will have to reign in the infighting.

I assure you that as soon as the CCP fail to provide jobs, increase standard of living and etc (because they have done so well these past years), the sh1t will start flying.

You come again?

I've been watching you and what you say, and it seems you have never said anything good or constructive, no offense but I will appreciate and respect other member's opinion but not you.

Thank you,

I favor an eventual but gradual transition to democracy. If there is Nat-Socialism, the likelyhood for war is increased

if not for the Chinese nationalism, which is the one that push back western pressure on China regarding the Tibet issue.
The west is not afraid of communist government but Chinese sentiment do count alot.

Today most people from the ultra right are either fenqings or hanjians, not a group of people which I would prefer for leading a country. This being said high degree of democracy seems to be causing troubles in some chinese society, like in taiwan where people start to lose grip on their own identity, culture and seems to have destabilizing effect. Now that PRC has been experimenting with limited democracy for a while, it looks like there is kind of "one stage to next stage voting" for party members and sometimes for citizens choosing low position official, before any big steps first there should be some small reform in those regard, as those steps are not yet perfectly implemented. (for example often there are too little informations about candidates for the voters)

ill be surprised if non chinese blabbing on about w/e gov system is going to do.....well anything. Chinese populace is quite educated on the political system and do not buy into the western democratic thing.

i know a lot of chinese international students, contrary to what some dreaming westerners think, they do not feel they have "been freed" or "experience real freedom for the first time" or "its like tv is in color instead of black and white". not one bit. funny enough they do not feel much different. which says a lot about whos perceptions of the other side is wrong.

as far as i can tell, the only ones falling for the whole "we may fuk up everything but at LEAST we are democratic" bull$hit are westerners.

id rather not have extreme forms of government. A step towards radicalization is not good for China and have cause shortage of lifespan to governments that have used them

China's present embrace of the capitalist economic model will hurt the workers class of China (High GINI coefficient)

How can China balance it's growth and rising wealth disparities within it's massive population?

If you like China to continue as one of the most restricted nations in the world, banning porn, regulating Google, banning Youtube...

Lack of political rights and freedom of speech is alright by me. Some of you ppl possible take this for granted. LOL

I wonder what would happen if I posted this in asiafinest.cn forum lol.

I somewhat agree with your promotion of national socialism. Although I think it's best that China does not never tie itself down to any rigid ideologies. I find that whenever a society does something like that, it will start talking idealism and fail to have an impartial view of reality. Like the west right now, with its incessant idealism in free speech and democracy, when most of its times it doesn't work, unless paired with a developed and educated society, which will work fine under almost any ideology. If China turns democratic, then it can never be turned back to a more central system when the need arise, since the people would never want to lose power. It's better to be more flexible.

China's gradual march to democracy (which is a well stated ultimate goal of the party to relinquish power to the people) will start with experimentation in Hong Kong SAR.

Hong Kong SAR will be authorized by the National People's Congress to achieve "universial suffrage" or true democracy to elect the Chief Executive of HK by 2017.

If all goes well... locally elected leaders are obedient to CCP's macro-economic and political agenda.... Then Hong Kong's system of democracy can be scaled throughout mainland China just as Deng Xiaoping took the Hong Kong traditional free market economic model and scaled into "Special Economic Zones" which is imposing little versions of Hong Kong with "Chinese characteristics."

China's transition from Soviet-style centrally planned economy to "Socialism with Chinese characteristics or Socialist market economy" was principally extracted from the leading experience of Hong Kong SAR will be the model Beijing use to gradually move towards economical liberalization and democratization.

China will become a democracy. It will use Hong Kong SAR as a testbed for democracy first. If it succeeds in HK SAR, then it will be scaled throughout the rest of China.

as we know the CCP is working towards democracy however of course it is a different type of democracy. However one day China will be some sort of a democracy however it won't be like America or UK.

Newties21, considering half the sh1t written on these boards is full of crap why should i be constructive towards crap especially your crap. Extreme right nationalism aka nazism will make china not only the enemy of the world but the persecution of minorities in china will also be outrageous. Then again your maybe only in your teens so you wouldn't have much idea.

of course it can. look what is happening in europe. individual european powers became too weak and only united they can be superpower again so they have created EU

EU now as it is, is about as far as it can get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2T0qDDo1Dk

Looks like a few of you have been too transfixed with the name "National Socialism" and then got the idea of equating them with the Nazi theme in Germany in 1930s.

(aside from some deliberate trolls such as Oyabun)

If that is the case maybe I should have changed it or thought of a different name.

Of course I did not recommend that China should adopt Nazi's ways. I am not even so sure if they were indeed National Socialists. This name "national socialist" is just like "Green" or "liberal" or "conservative" or "labour party" or "left wing" or "right wing" or "christian social democrats" which funnily in many countries exist, but they all take different manifestations even if they have the same name, so no, you cant judge some party or some concept just by its name.

I dont think China should be like Germany in 1930s with its going to war everywhere, no, of course not.

Just like "socialism" can be interpreted and implemented into "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" , I believe National Socialism can be similarly adopted into "National Socialism with Chinese characteristics"

Which is basically nationalism + socialism + Chinese character....and what are Chinese characters? A good idea would be traditional Chinese political and social philosophy. And that means adopting and interpreting the concept of Chinese thought of "Harmony" into a modern political concept.

As a matter of fact, such course of action has already been taken.

For the latest generation of leaders, they have dug and tried to rejuvenate the Chinese traditional philosophies of "Harmony" and Confucius's and Mencius's teachings and put them into Communist Party's principles.

I think this all will be very suitable for China in the end.

Nationalism is good to motivate people, to increase self-confidence, increase drive, encourage challenging goal setting, and to instill pride.

It's good for an ambitious and a still developing country like China, which still need to catch up with the rest.

Socialism is also good to maintain social stability and cohesion, and maintain unity. It's also suitable for a big country like China, in that it can help to gel the country together, since economics and people's bread-and-butter issues are actually what can be the make or break of a society.

Similarly "Harmony" or the latest ingredient, "...with chinese characteristics" is the indigenous concept which will ensure a better fit.

This will all be good....and when I said CCP should maintain the current course, and not introduce "reforms" especially if they are born out of pressures from the outside (West), I didn't just say it out of impulse or blind nationalism, but really out of serious consideration. This will be the best and most suitable system for China and there is no need to change it.

One other important aspect is that I believe political stability is very important.

Political stability brings a cohesive peaceful tranquil environment, and a continuity, out of which, all other things can emanate and grow and thrive.

In particular,

Dont listen to dogmatic preachings and hectorings of "democracy"

Democracy means the splitting of a nation's potential into various channels. Obviously uniting them all into a concerted focus is better.

You just look at America now, the President cannot do anything, cannot introduce healthcare project. Actually healthcare reform is very important because it deals with society's core well being, and not only that, but it relates with the budget and fiscal and economic problems. But no American government can really implement a serious reform since many years ago, due to factional fightings, and also the strong interest lobby groups.

In Europe, another land of frequent preachers of democracy, lately we see something interesting.

In Ireland, for the EU integration project, the people have actually voted "no" and rejected it. That is the voice of the people. That is democracy. But what happened? Let's have another go at it again. The EU bureaucrats just hold another referendum, to make the result become "yes" eventually.

In other EU countries after several previous setbacks, they've learnt the lesson and circumvent the process altogether, so no more referendums by the people but just voting by EU elites is sufficient.

In here we can see the land of democratic enlightenment have learnt some lessons, they know the pitfalls and weaknesses of democracy, and at least they dare to change or modify or tweak some things and take better control, among the elite level, so that "the people" may not interfere with their important project, because they can see that EU integration will bring many benefits, enormous, for many generations to come.

So basically, everything is a means to an end. As long as the means can support the ends, it's good.

I would say considering all things, it's actually a good thing to see a strong one party dominance, and a case such as CCP dominance in China. There is no need to change it too much, just improve its own performance, will be better.

Hopefully China doesn't decide to invade Poland.

Tsk tsk

As someone else said, EU now is as far central as they can get.

I am looking for a government or organizations that can build 3 gorges dams without a thousand politicians and millions of politician-wannabes harping on the project to exercise their "democracy", when it's only political fractionalism and fighting for power. Lots of projects and governmental policies have both good and bad and needs to be weighted, but can anyone argue that China became worst after 3 gorges dam was built? But imagine if someone propose such a project in a "democracy", like US, you will just have politicians chewing on old arguments again and again, and nothing gets done. EU is a pathetic organization. It doesn't and can't get anything substantial done. The only thing it is good for is a high place in the GDP ranking.

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Lets look at it in a completely different light.

Many of us say democracy is bad for China and compare Chinese with Indians as they are a democratic society. However we also need to acknowledge the fact that Chinese are far more nationalistic as compared with India's regionalism beliefs. So even if China was a democracy, there would be no fact to support the idea that China will be slowed down, in fact it might boom even further.
People tend to have the idea that democracy would slow down china's growth but lets not forget Japan, Taiwan and Korea's growth under democracy.

As long as the Chinese remain nationalistic and will not trade away an inch of land, the growth of China would be faster under democracy. However if Chinese were not nationalistic and could care less about growth, then under a democratic society it would be terrible overall.

China's democracy will allow the central gov't "ultimate control" over the situation so that things won't get out of hand.

Look at the indirect elections of HK's Chief executive by a legislative body of 700 pro-Beijing politicians and business tycoons.

That's how elections in China will be started.

Even if China is nationalistic, there are still segments of China that are not and have driving forces that want to separate, such as Tibet or Xinjiang. Ethnic cohesion is very hard to do without lots of conflict and lots of political infighting under a democracy (Look at Ireland/Scotland/Wales/England or Quebec/Canada).

I, for one, do not necessarily know if democracy will be good or bad overall for China. However, it's very risky to change a big system and overall the current system is not on the wrong path. Changing to democracy is not going to get rid of the biggest grievance that people have against the government, corruption. The political culture is just too ingrained and democracy is not that effective at killing corruption. It is not going to improve the society other than the fact that outright bullying on the part of the local officials are not going to happen and outright censorship is not going to happen (modern western form of media control out of market share is still going to happen). China is not going to develop faster, and more like than not, it is going to slow down, as the option of the government decreases and executing a decision becomes harder because of the opposition. There is just too many risks and not enough benefits to warrant a change. I do not feel that a gain in the rights and power of a common citizen is that better of a gain if the society as a whole does not become more
prosperous.



Then what's the point of switching to democracy if you will just have a bunch of monopolists controlling the government. Frankly that's even worse than the authoritarian system now. These capitalists makes you think that common people have rights and they are socially mobile, while they control all the resources to hoard their social and economic dominance. I do not want China to adopt the more powerful western narrative/propaganda.