you notice in the northern part of the Philippines the tribal people wear very little...like the bahig for men and the sarong for women

yet the more south you go the native attire becomes more vibrant and they wear more...like men start wearing pants and women have very colorful native dress that even covers their arms


for example

photo of visayan and mindanao tribes


photos of baguio and cordiellera tribes



is it because visayans and moros were culturally superior to igorots
we may be brown but at least we weren't nekkid like igorots


in pre-colonial times...in Visayas men used to wear sarongs...

today in malaysia the sarong is still used by men....yet in the Philippines its not

only our muslim brothers to the south wear sarong

Its because Northern "Natives" are more tribal vs southern "Natives" that have largely influence from their native folks from across the way.

I think because in the North they're much less influenced by the outside. The Cordillerans live in mountains where they preserve their OWN traditions, while esp. in the South the influence of Hinduism, other Malays, Chinese and Islam, and eventually Christianity is much more. But also if you noticed, the Northerners also have vibrancy all on their own. If you base their 'vibrancy' based on how many colors of the rainbow they have in their wares...then yeah lol.



I guess if you want more color you have to resort to the Native Baklitas of Manila. LOL.

how is the south not native....visayans and moros originated from malaysia and indonesia so to us it would be native and ours

and for northerners...u could say they were influenced by taiwanese aboriginals

Im tired of igorots getting all the credit for Philippine natives...I want recognition for my souther peoples too

Excuse since when was the amount of clothes worn a sign of cultural superiority? I'm sorry but this is discriminative. I am Visayan, but this is no way to think regarding our brothers from the north. They may have worn bahags, but at least they built the freaking Terraces. I can't see how any Visayan technology can match that. They had the epic of Aliguyon, a sign of cultural strength. They climbed from the lowlands to the south, a sign they can face any adversity. They head hunted the Spaniards while we Visayans and lowlanders were working for them.

Visayans were influenced by the great Sri-Vaijyan empire

we were master sailors...we had advanced iron working....we had intricate tatoo designs adorning our bodies....we had a nobility class

igorots didn't hunt spaniards...they hid from them up in the mountains

it was moro pirates who hunted spaniards and made slaves of them

It's the truth. Or you still think of the 10 Datus LOL. And why are they 'influenced' Taiwanese? How do we know the Ifugaos, the Igorots, the Bungkalots and northern tribes aren't just like that when they landed and settled in the mountains? Why do Filipino always think externally like we don't EVER have our own culture?

And isn't true that Visayans, many who are Muslims, and Mindanaoans and other Filipinos in Luzon etc, which by Butuan (and the Laguna copperplate) find and other relics are heavily influenced by Indian culture and the writings which was from Indonesia? I wish I was lying.

And tired of them credit? How vain is this? You think the Igorots go out and say "Oh look we're natives" are you serious? I mean i hear more BS from Visayans talking $hit about other people how great their culture is, when they are very influenced by outsiders, and NO I'm not saying this to offend, I'm saying it because it's true.

And you're tired of them getting the 'credit'? So you decided you're going to use infantile methods to short shot them/ Come on man, you're more mature than that. And please stop this Luzon-hate (by some Visayans), Luzon-supremacism (Suzuka) shenanigans. YOU ARE ALL fu-kING FILIPINOS. FOR fu-k'S SAKES.

I'm not saying the Visayans are lesser, I'm saying that the Northerners are just as advanced as the Visayans. And from what you're saying it seems that Visayans can't be great without the help of foreigners. At least the Igorots built those freaking megastructures without outside help.

Also, regarding master sailors, iron works, the Igorots didn't need those.They carved a mountain with stone.

And the Igorots had a nobility class - reflective in their epics.

Oh they didn't hide from the Spaniards, they threw back the heads of the Spaniards who visited them.

escaping to unreachable parts of the Philippines isn't considered hiding??? LOL

what accounts do u have of them fighting with the spanish...because I see none

There wasn't much contact between spaniards and igorots at all because they lived in total isolation...lucky for them the spanish didn't think it was immportant enought to conquer the mountainous regions too

it was bangsamoro tribes who fought the spanish for their cultural freedom

Stop trying to separate the Philippines. Yeah they're different, but I think each is vibrant in it's own way.

Northern tribal attire:







Southern tribal attire:

I don't believe everything I read on wikipedia, but I was reading the article about the rice terraces and I found something interesting:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banaue_Rice_Terraces

When I visited the rice terraces, I noticed that there were a lot of Chinese-looking people in the nearby mountain towns. Noticeably different from lowland Filipinos. I wonder if this article has any truth to it.

You know Ejay when you use to talk bad about pretty much other SEAsians, and you were very very nasty to them, I use to think it's just immaturity. But I remember you talk about Aetas before, how they're inferior to "Malays", and now you're talking bad about other Filipinos as well, it makes me wonder bud, do you have a lot of friends?

And what's with the Visayans and other "Kapampangan" Luzon centric shenaniganisms? So fu-king immature. I'm 60% plus Visayan, and despite growing in Manila and overseas I've considered myself Waray, but for fu-k's sakes all this Visayan BS talk, have you ever looked into your culture before you $hit talk about others?

We're all Filipinos, look at your country, and ask the reason why it's like that, and look at how you are here.

i love the northern tribal attire. para syang bohemian.

I do I have white friends, black friends, south asian friends, filipino friends, etc

Im just being proud of what I am...is there anything wrong with that....Im sorry for calling igorots uncultured....their humans too...even if they dress funny

if that was true...were did the bahag come from???

Escaping to unreachable parts? WTF?! They were there in the mountain tops before the Spanish came to the Philippines. How is that hiding? They were freaking living in their home!

AND DON'T YOU FREAKING TELL ME THEY DIDN'T FIGHT THE SPANISH.

Resource after resource I can show you any of my sources - and they're freaking books...in Ateneo! So don't tell me they didn't fight!

The Spaniards didn't think it was important to conquer them because they were losing. Again, the Spanish heads returned by the natives was a sign they can't penetrate the high lands.


You are trying to make a divide here.






Oh I see, Fil-Am. No wonder.

Trying to be Filipino I guess? Well, you just proved yourself un-Filipino by being racist to your fellow countrymen.

again show me sources or its not true...the spanish didn't think of conquering them because there was nothing important to gain from conquering igorots ...like I said living in the mountains protected them from spanish influence...plain and simple

its a coincidence then that the so called war between the igorots and spanish weren't recorded....but the ones between the moros and the spanish were...lol

The Spaniards were not used to cold weather in the mountains they are Mediterranean and lowland seafarers.

Salamat, being so techno savy, you're intelectually dishonest. Finding so many things in the internet about us Filipinos yet cannot find sources about the struggles of Igorots against the Sapniards?

Anyway, no one can say something about the Igorots that can make them less cultured than what they are. We lowlanders are the uncultured peoples compared to them.

don't want to be messing up people's view of history here, but from what i know the mountaineers / remontados deserve to be called the only unconquered filipino people through the spanish colonial era. the bangsamoro were conquered several times (ok, but the spaniards withdrew too). also rizal composed a song / poem on the victory of the spanish over sulu. the mountain people were only brought into the general philippine course by the american, which also explains that they are predominantly protestant over roman catholic, since they were reached by the american missionaries first,

The Igorots are not really natives they are the Nesiots who came 3000 BC to the Philippines displacing many Aetas. Some say Nesiots came from Indonesia and some same they came from Taiwan either way it does not matter what really matters is the Aetas are the real natives of the Philippines.

Both of them are natives, there are no real or false natives where you're born. That is why Pinoys are native to this land. Are we to copy the Malaysian definition of a bumiputra. Look at the Malaysian forum, so much anger from these rigid definitions.

martin_nuke is a afrocentrist...so hence the bias

I don't know buddy, if you base your definition of culture by the clothes people dress, I suppose the Spanish had by all means truth in what they called us savages? I'm saddened to think the extent of colonial mentality even those of us in the US with so much opportunity of education. God bless you. All I can say.

r u crazy...the spanish circa 1600s would have dressed funny in the eyes of native filipinos

Well that's the whole point of 'judging' things externally!

And when you said 'proud of who you are'...Visayans wear almost the same things that other Hispanized Filipinos wear, they're as much Westernized as other Muslims are influenced by outside cultures,...it's not like you're T'Boli or anything lol.

And who you are first and foremost is Filipino. To some degree I could see how you could be nasty to other people, but to be nasty to your own, is something else for the benefit of making yourself feel better.

Im talking about ancient visayans



Im sorry if I seemed to go overboard a little...i Guess I have too much regional pride...don't get me wrong I love the Philippines as a country

Im not entirely nega about igorots or northern filipinos...at least they look oriental...good for them

I think Native Filipino costumes are hot


FYI Lapu Lapu is Bisaya but he also wears a bahag

not actually a bahag...more like a shorter sarong...nptice it covers his upper thighs

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What's with this fixation with 'BAHAG' or 'CHAWAT'?

It's like a 'phallic symbol'. The longer the bahag or the chawat, the more royal blood. he he

It was a symbol of "bisayan" royalty.

http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Pagan-Tribes-of-Borneo1.html


The Loincloth of Borneo... http://www.ikanlundu.com/literary/borneo_loincloth.html

http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Pagan-Tribes-of-Borneo1.html


http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/7446/Ragam.htm


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If we follow your logic, even the Aetas are not really natives. It could be the Java Men or the Australopithecus who were the real natives. Because the Aetas and the whole ancestors of Humanity were migrants from East Africa ,based on the recent mitochondrial studies, passing from the Horn of Africa to the Gulf of Aden and finally to Sundaland and Australia. And from the sunking of the Sundaland(biblical Noah's flood? during the melting of the polar ice caps at the end of the pleistocene ice age) ten thousand years ago came the ancestors of the Austrics and some migrated to South Asia mixing with the natives there becoming the ancestors of the Indo-Aryans or Indo-Europeans, others going northwards to become the rice-cultivating settlers of South China onwards to the yayoi and jomon cultures of korea and japan. Notice that this is the reverse of the Out of China theory and the Aryan Invasion theory. The divergence phenotypically from the short stature kinky haired dark colored pygmies to a taller whiter skinned straight haired Austrics coming from a single gene pool occured in Sundaland...

THE EVE OF AFRICA: single origin of man and GENETIC anc cultural studies
link... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan
http://pl.net/~keithr/rfc2001113OriginsEden.html

OT:Thus, proving the ancient Hindu scripture the Rigvedas stating that the Brahmin priest bringing with them their ancient wisdom came from the Southeastern seas from the Archipelagos during the cataclysym and that Aryan Invasion theory is false.
Wow, ang layo. Far out. he he
Baka magalit ang mga Indian supremacists... for that would mean, Hinduism could have started in Southeast Asia. The caste system or ethnic/tribal separations could have produced the variations of racial phenotypes as migrations continue northwards encountering different topographies.

maybe there were a seperate race in the philippines beforehand, more like the "Flores Men" the so-called "Hobbits" of Flores.

About that idea of everything diffusing from the philippines, i remember reading i believe a book review by Cesar Majul, the historian of Muslim Filipinos. The bad part is that i neither remember the tile of the book or its author, and i thought the review was actually joke

anyway, it has something about the great "Malayan Race" in the title and was written in the late 1960s, by a Filipino. The author was showing that all world civilizations came from the Philippines (especially the Greeks, Romans, Indians & Chinese). The review was fun to read, but i still think it was trick by Majul...maybe the book still has to be written or better not

Could this Filipino from Palawan be a direct decendant of Sundaland?

Yes, of course.
Palawan is part of Sundaland which includes Borneo, Java, Sumatra, Malay Peninsula, Celebes etc.

lets just say igorots are more "liberal" when it comes to their fashion....& other tribes are much more "conservative" lol

Igorots were the Luçoes in Luzon that did not accept the spanish occupation just like the Mangyans in Mindoro they were no different from other Luçoes before the spanish occupation.

The Ibaloi and Kallahan of baguio area are actually Pangasinense related,the Apayao/isneg are related to Cagayan Valley People.

The Manobos of mindanao are related to Maranaos.

The Ibaloi believe that they descended from Urduja.

Perhaps a reason could be that its really hot up there in the North.

I visited Cagayan Valley this summer and boy was it SWELTERING!

The Bellwood's Theory or popularly known as the Out of Taiwan or South China theory has a similar concept of everything diffusing from the Philippines, ie the Malayo-Polynesians at the least. And so the Malagasy speaker from Madagascar and at the other end of the globe, the Polynesians from Easter Island off the coast of South America have one or few ancestors in common passing through the Philippines as their staging point for migrations as the central axis to both sides of the globe. And this occurs at the most 5,000 years ago.

But genetic studies done as published here... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan are saying that a more earlier migrations than the linguist Bellwood's theory is proving that the reverse direction might be true, that more larger migrations occuring much earlier than 5,000 years ago from the Philippines onwards northwards radiating towards Taiwan, South China, to as far as Korea and Japan via the landbridge or by boat during the times of rising sea levels at the end of the last glacial period or Ice Age. Dr. Oppenheimer and the Paleontologist Solheim even dared to say that the Hindu civilization and the earliest western civilization, Sumer owe much of their civilizations from those migrants coming from Sundaland. Which accounts for certain similarities of rootwords between Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Austrics. Btw, Sumeria is acknowled by western scholars as the mother of other ancient civilizations like Ancient Egypt. While Ancient Greece and Rome owed their civilizations from the Ancient Egyptians. That's why the two scientists with their scholarly scientific validated evidence concluded that western civilization owe much of its civilization to this "Eden in the East", the place where the oldest and most Biodiverse biomass resided, where agriculture and domestication of animals started and where the highest concentration of Deluvial motiffs and myths are centered.
http://www.calacademy.org/research/izg/Tro...20Diversity.jpg

See here Austric influence in India... http://www.geocities.com/pinatubo.geo/austric.htm
Austric relationship of Sumerian Language... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/sumer.htm
Austrics and Austronesians... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/austro.htm

So, I say those ideas are not farfetched. Philippine isles together with the Malay or Indonesian archipelago were part of Sundaland aeons ago.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/underworld/Sundaland.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...a_and_Sahul.png

So that deluded guy who wrote that book is in good company.

lol this is ejay the thousand aacpunt fiend, of course he doesnt have many friends

lol look at homeboy just chillin killin a roach

you talk likw u know me...go f-ck urself.....I don't divulge my private life online

Considering the country's climate wearing a lesser amount of clothes may be the smarter choice.

what ever happened to your chamoru friend?

I would wear those type of clothes for culture day. Usually Fil Ams wear the Barong for culture day in America. I wish I wouldve worn those muslims style clothing and scared the whiteboys.

This is now the official National Costume of the Philippines

Philippine National Costume in America

the spanish weren't able to conquer to igorots and moors because those people delivered heavy resistance, not because they didn't offer anything valuable. there were several failed attempts to conquer them. you should already know that there weren't that many spaniards in the philippines so they had to act wisely.

actually the moros did have something the spanish wanted..their gold

The Spanish knew the Gold in Benguet but conquering the Igorots were not their proirity remember the Muslims and Christians were at war in Spain so anything Islam in the Philippines is their priority at all cost. There were no Muslims in Mexico that is why it is a different situation unlike in the Philippines the priority is to conquer the Morolands but not for their Gold but is is a war between Christianity and Islam.

The Spaniards also struck a deal with the Igorots but the Igorots would still remain autonomous and the Spaniards were already mining at La Trinidad Benguet but they abandoned it because they cannot cope up with the harsh crimate of Benguet because the Spaniards were Mediterranean people which are not use the the mountanous cold environment.