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thekey
I see the same dumb thing over and over again. So I will make it easy for you guys. Vietnam war explained in one simple sentence:

Vietnam war was fought in the guise to stop the spread of communist ideology; an ideoloy which is simply placing the power in the hands of the working class and the unskilled which simply translates to stupidity because they are unskilled so that the country can be exploited and enslaved easily.

That is it. It is so stupid to see people taking US side or communist side.

And now the product of the war is a culture and politics in fear. It is also dumb for a Chinese or a Vietnamese to claim this culture and politics in fear their; as if they don't even know it was the European ideology from the start. Yes, communism is a stupid European ideology. I don't know why stupid communist Vietnamese or Chinese call this culture and politics in fear their. I can somewhat understand the Chinese communists, but Vietnamese communists? One is just as dumb as the other. Culture and politics in fear can only produce this?
Way
More like:

Vietnam war was started by different viewpoints who all had the same aim. The United States took the side of one viewpoint, even though both viewpoints were from the West. Communism had a strong hold b/c it resembled a viewpoint that was a classical one - a viewpoint that came before any Western viewpoint.
thekey
QUOTE (Way @ Oct 11 2009, 06:35 PM) *
More like:

Vietnam war was started by different viewpoints who all had the same aim. The United States took the side of one viewpoint, even though both viewpoints were from the West. Communism had a strong hold b/c it resembled a viewpoint that was a classical one - a viewpoint that came before any Western viewpoint.



What same aim?

If you say the same aim was to have absolute control to do whatever they wanted, then you are right on because those that took US side are ignoring that the simple facts that US dumped 3 times WWII bombs, 80 million litres of toxic wastes and making MY LAI a kindergarden where hundreds of such massacres took place and well documented in US archive but never came to light, only recently and they quickly brushed that under the carpet. Mean while they left the communist north all alone. So in fact US had absolute power and when US left after killing everyone while leaving the communists basically all alone, it is a wonder the communism rules now? And for what? So the unskilled can be corrupt and stupid.

Who said that they will bomb the country back to stone age again? And have they achieved that?
thekey
Remember this Buddha says only three things are plain and clear: the sun, the moon and the truth. If you can't see them, then something is wrong with you. You must learn to see the whole truth, not some stupid side, otherwise you are just someone's fool and a stupid slave.
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thekey
QUOTE (1962VW @ Oct 20 2009, 07:42 PM) *
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BurdenOfAges
QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 11 2009, 02:57 PM) *
I see the same dumb thing over and over again. So I will make it easy for you guys. Vietnam war explained in one simple sentence:

Vietnam war was fought in the guise to stop the spread of communist ideology; an ideoloy which is simply placing the power in the hands of the working class and the unskilled which simply translates to stupidity because they are unskilled so that the country can be exploited and enslaved easily.

That is it. It is so stupid to see people taking US side or communist side.

And now the product of the war is a culture and politics in fear. It is also dumb for a Chinese or a Vietnamese to claim this culture and politics in fear their; as if they don't even know it was the European ideology from the start. Yes, communism is a stupid European ideology. I don't know why stupid communist Vietnamese or Chinese call this culture and politics in fear their. I can somewhat understand the Chinese communists, but Vietnamese communists? One is just as dumb as the other. Culture and politics in fear can only produce this?


Communism is simply the latest revolutionary ideology enabling a shakeup of the existing socio-political order. Besides the intellectuals who rallied around Communism, in the beginning, because they felt that it was good and just, the adherents were ultimately political opportunists looking to throw themselves into power. This contrasts with the conservative ideologies - such as Monarchism - that defended the status quo. Such ideologies could not be vehicles for the ambitious - but lowly-born - because they favored heritage.

To say that Communism favors the unskilled and the stupid misses the crucial point that it takes intelligence and willpower to win a war. The peasants who make up the foot soldiers seldom become the real leaders - those positions are typically given to the cunning and the shrewd. There's little point in arguing that Communism in Asia was anti-intellectual - it's true - but this phase of Communism lasted only for a while. Today, except in North Korea, "Communist" countries are once again emphasizing higher education and intellectual achievement. This shows that the Communist leaders are more opportunistic than ideological.

Besides that, I don't think anyone will pretend that Communism was from Vietnamese or Chinese culture. It was mostly a product of Soviet influence, as Comintern was very active in Asia.
thekey
QUOTE (BurdenOfAges @ Oct 29 2009, 09:54 PM) *
There's little point in arguing that Communism in Asia was anti-intellectual - it's true - but this phase of Communism lasted only for a while. Today, except in North Korea, "Communist" countries are once again emphasizing higher education and intellectual achievement. This shows that the Communist leaders are more opportunistic than ideological.


Everyone claims to be great not just communism. But what they put in practice is the real test. If you don't know what communism is, then it is very difficult to know much else. I don't want to spell out everything. Just read what I've written again.

QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 29 2009, 09:27 PM) *
If you know that nothing is absolute, then everything has it weaknesses. There is nothing radical about equality or selfish gene is there? The war of words between communism and capitalism is just a ruse to start the real war. If you agree that Viet Nam war was a ruse, then open your eyes and look further and you will know the others will be ruse too. How else do you think wars started?

To rule over you, they have to claim they are more civilized than you, better than you. But anyone who knows history will know this at the risk of repeating and quoting myself:

QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 29 2009, 03:25 PM) *
The real test of culture is to see how easy it is to collapse to stupidity and barbarism, and the test of cultural revolution and the "ease of the" spread of communism is the real test. Then you will see which culture is stronger and who is influencing whom.

Remember, great Viets don't hate people. We just hate stupidity and hypocrisies.



Viet's great culture teaches Viets to love all people that includes Chinese people, but to hate stupidity and barbarism that includes hating the sick man of Asia culture coming from China or anywhere else.


And read this also:

QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 22 2009, 04:48 PM) *
There never was much intellect on this board when there were many bloggers. Now there are only a handful of bloggers, the intellect is even more diminishing.

You have got to learn to compare likes with likes. Comparing apples with bananas and you will never get anywhere. Comparing first worlds with third worlds only means first world will win always.

If you wanna to compare these two countries, strip away all the technos, then compare. Just culture versus culture, then China would win.

The only reason why European countries win now is because they have an even older power supporting them, and therefore they are more organized. Asians are too divided. Asians don't have an ancient power to support them in the conquest where it will be very bloody and murderous; also, China never good at leadership nor do they have an ancient power that really has not been changed. China and Asians are still stuck in the stone age; whereas, Europeans have evolved to the point where they don't need to do the dirty work themselves, where they don't need to have the culture and politics of fear. That does not mean they would not kill you to save themselves.

I have purposefully left out a key point. You will have to find that key.

BurdenOfAges
QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 29 2009, 11:17 PM) *
Everyone claims to be great not just communism. But what they put in practice is the real test. If you don't know what communism is, then it is very difficult to know much else. I don't want to spell out everything. Just read what I've written again.


What they put in practice? Well, as far as I know, China and Vietnam are two of the fastest growing economies in the world. Why not wait another twenty years before making judgment? Rome was not built in a night, after all.
thekey
QUOTE (BurdenOfAges @ Oct 29 2009, 10:27 PM) *
What they put in practice? Well, as far as I know, China and Vietnam are two of the fastest growing economies in the world. Why not wait another twenty years before making judgment? Rome was not built in a night, after all.


Stone age countries grow fast in the 21 century? What a wonder!

Wonder also how people can live on 2 dollars a day while slaving their and their children's lives away in polluted countries. As said, if we're even agruing what's communism, we will have a long, long wait.This is the trick, right? Keep waiting and waiting.
BurdenOfAges
QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 29 2009, 11:43 PM) *
Stone age countries grow fast in the 21 century? What a wonder!

Wonder also how people can live on 2 dollars a day while slaving their and their children's lives away in polluted countries. As said, if we're even agruing what's communism, we will have a long, long wait.This is the trick, right? Keep waiting and waiting.


You say that, but there are many "stone age" countries that aren't growing fast. Some aren't even growing. Something must be right. As for the costs, all granted, and the pollution is particularly worrying, but look around - there are worse fates than earning two dollars a day.
thekey
QUOTE (BurdenOfAges @ Oct 29 2009, 11:11 PM) *
You say that, but there are many "stone age" countries that aren't growing fast. Some aren't even growing. Something must be right. As for the costs, all granted, and the pollution is particularly worrying, but look around - there are worse fates than earning two dollars a day.


I am sure you would like to wait around and have your children's fates earing two dollars a day, living in polluted countries until they are too sick to earn any more. Keep waiting and waiting.
BurdenOfAges
QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 30 2009, 12:29 AM) *
I am sure you would like to wait around and have your children's fates earing two dollars a day, living in polluted countries until they are too sick to earn any more. Keep waiting and waiting.


Why wait? There are legions of millionaires being made everyday in China and Vietnam. Instead of blaming society, why not take your destiny into your own hands? The opportunity is there, today, which is more than can be said for many other countries and periods in history.

For some people, the glass will always be half-empty.
thekey
QUOTE (BurdenOfAges @ Oct 30 2009, 07:41 AM) *
Why wait? There are legions of millionaires being made everyday in China and Vietnam. Instead of blaming society, why not take your destiny into your own hands? The opportunity is there, today, which is more than can be said for many other countries and periods in history.

For some people, the glass will always be half-empty.


How wonderful it is to ignore the suffering of others. That is how wars and enslavement started. To see the truth, just open your minds or eyes and know the glass you hold is full of sh!t. But when your eyes or minds are closed to the suffering of others, you won't know what you are holding. You will even ignore the stench as you have ignored the suffering and enjoy your sh1tty glass.

There is nothing more for me to add here.
thekey
In the past when Viet culture was great, there was more equality.

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The real test of culture then, Who is influencing whom then.


Now the gap between have and the havenot is as wide as possible. And if you criticize about this, they will say come on join the band wagon and take what you can take. Let's sing and dance about a great nation being bombed back to stone age and now look how fast it is trying to catch up to the 21 century, being slaved and sickened with pollution. Take what you can take now.
SoCal
Viet Nam war was just the epilogue of Dai Viet's history since 1497 after Emperor Le Thanh Tong passed away. The western media makes a big deal about the Viet Nam war (1945 to 1975) because they were ignorant about Dai Viet history. Like the Lord says, we need to forgive and educate people's ignorance. This will lead to better understanding.


Please remember that Dai Viet had the Golden Age from 1010 to 1497 and I believe strongly that Dai Viet will experience another Golden Age during the 21st century if we listen, learn, and improve ourselves.


This is the mandate of heaven from Than Kim Quy who continues to guard and preserve Dai Viet's culture.



QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 11 2009, 10:57 AM) *
I see the same dumb thing over and over again. So I will make it easy for you guys. Vietnam war explained in one simple sentence:

Vietnam war was fought in the guise to stop the spread of communist ideology; an ideoloy which is simply placing the power in the hands of the working class and the unskilled which simply translates to stupidity because they are unskilled so that the country can be exploited and enslaved easily.

That is it. It is so stupid to see people taking US side or communist side.

And now the product of the war is a culture and politics in fear. It is also dumb for a Chinese or a Vietnamese to claim this culture and politics in fear their; as if they don't even know it was the European ideology from the start. Yes, communism is a stupid European ideology. I don't know why stupid communist Vietnamese or Chinese call this culture and politics in fear their. I can somewhat understand the Chinese communists, but Vietnamese communists? One is just as dumb as the other. Culture and politics in fear can only produce this?
thekey
QUOTE (thekey @ Nov 2 2009, 05:01 PM) *
In the past when Viet culture was great, there was more equality.

Now the gap between have and the havenot is as wide as possible. And if you criticize about this, they will say come on join the band wagon and take what you can take. Let's sing and dance about a great nation being bombed back to stone age and now look how fast it is trying to catch up to the 21 century, being slaved and sickened with pollution. Take what you can take now.



It was a trick, a ruse that created war not ignorance. They all know Viet Nam has a great culture and so they wanted to eliminate this competition by bombing it back to stone age so it could never catch up to the 21 century with the culture being turned up side down, uneducated and slaved mentality while being sickened with pollution.
luumanh
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you're still quoting and replying to yourself like a retard.
Type98G
How about:

North Vietnamese : "We won." biggthumpup.gif
thekey
This is what Vietnamese won:

QUOTE (thekey @ Nov 2 2009, 04:26 PM) *
It was a trick, a ruse that created war not ignorance. They all know Viet Nam has a great culture and so they wanted to eliminate this competition by bombing it back to stone age so it could never catch up to the 21 century with the culture being turned up side down, uneducated and slaved mentality while being sickened with pollution.


Up side down!
ozm
QUOTE (thekey @ Nov 2 2009, 05:26 PM) *
It was a trick, a ruse that created war not ignorance. They all know Viet Nam has a great culture and so they wanted to eliminate this competition by bombing it back to stone age so it could never catch up to the 21 century with the culture being turned up side down, uneducated and slaved mentality while being sickened with pollution.

Well let's hope our people are strong enough to overcome these obstacles, regardless of the difficulties.
cataphrat1
Vietnam war was a false proxy war, in which the United States feared the spread, and influence of Communism, but the methods of carrying out the war was generally false, for there was a significant lack of effort, and poor judgment on the U.S. Behalf, such as using a war of attrition, during the hippie age, nontheless, had the U.S. focused their efforts on removing the NVA from the very beginning, with all their firepower, as demonstrated by Operation Linebacker, the North Vietnamese would have surrendered unconditionally, however, the U.S. Hit many political problems, which prevented such actions, which ultimately caused their withdraw, and a minor victory for the NVA, at a tremendous cost of lives.
thekey
QUOTE (cataphrat1 @ Nov 2 2009, 10:41 PM) *
Vietnam war was a false proxy war, in which the United States feared the spread, and influence of Communism, but the methods of carrying out the war was generally false, for there was a significant lack of effort, and poor judgment on the U.S. Behalf, such as using a war of attrition, during the hippie age, nontheless, had the U.S. focused their efforts on removing the NVA from the very beginning, with all their firepower, as demonstrated by Operation Linebacker, the North Vietnamese would have surrendered unconditionally, however, the U.S. Hit many political problems, which prevented such actions, which ultimately caused their withdraw, and a minor victory for the NVA, at a tremendous cost of lives.


It had no problem in bombing the country back to stone age thus eliminating the great culture from economic competition in the 21 century. As far as I am concerned, they have achieved everything they set out to achieve, bombing the country back to stone age, turning the culture up side down, polluting, enslaving and leting China keeps Viet Nam down.

They stopped short of nothing.
cataphrat1
QUOTE (thekey @ Nov 2 2009, 11:46 PM) *
It had no problem in bombing the country back to stone age thus eliminating the great culture from economic competition in the 21 century. As far as I am concerned, they have achieved everything they set out to achieve, bombing the country back to stone age, turning the culture up side down, polluting, enslaving and leting China keeps Viet Nam down.

They stopped short of nothing.


That wasn't their goal.

If they would bomb Vietnam in the way Operation Linebacker 2 was set up, a lot LESS bombs would've been dropped in the long run, and actually, causing far less collateral damage.

It is almost like the Atomic Bombs that were dropped on Japan, it saved millions of lives, and infrastructure on the long run.
retaxis
vietnam is not "the key" so stop acting like vietnam is the centre of the world and that people give a fhuk about your country no offence.
Kaosq
The truth of the Vietnam War: stop quoting yourself.
Potatosalad
QUOTE (cataphrat1 @ Nov 3 2009, 12:45 AM) *
That wasn't their goal.

If they would bomb Vietnam in the way Operation Linebacker 2 was set up, a lot LESS bombs would've been dropped in the long run, and actually, causing far less collateral damage.

It is almost like the Atomic Bombs that were dropped on Japan, it saved millions of lives, and infrastructure on the long run.


The US also considered using nukes on Hanoi but backed out for many reasons. Also the vietcongs had support from Soviet/China unlike Japan who was isolated on an island so they could be crippled.
thekey
QUOTE (thekey @ Nov 2 2009, 10:46 PM) *
It had no problem in bombing the country back to stone age thus eliminating the great culture from economic competition in the 21 century. As far as I am concerned, they have achieved everything they set out to achieve, bombing the country back to stone age, turning the culture up side down, polluting, enslaving and leting China keeps Viet Nam down.

They stopped short of nothing.


If they nuke Hanoi, they would also kill their pet, communism. No, they only need to bomb it enough to turn the culture up side down and use the excuse to kill everyone else (and also to blow away any evidence of the atrocities).

Have they not achieved killing everyone and the once proud culture to only replace it with their pet, communism?

It is stupid to explain any further.
strongbad
They wanted to turn Viet Nam into a port, the waters between Viet Nam and Phillipines are calm and it leads to the ocean which is great for ships to come in and out of.

thekey
QUOTE (strongbad @ Nov 3 2009, 06:14 AM) *
They wanted to turn Viet Nam into a port, the waters between Viet Nam and Phillipines are calm and it leads to the ocean which is great for ships to come in and out of.



The whole country is an easy port now (literally they can park their d!cks into any two dollar cu-nts). It is becoming another Thailand's destination, an easy port to park their d!cks or war ships.)
LiaoFyhun
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thekey
QUOTE (thekey @ Oct 11 2009, 07:00 PM) *
What same aim?

If you say the same aim was to have absolute control to do whatever they wanted, then you are right on because those that took US side are ignoring that the simple facts that US dumped 3 times WWII bombs, 80 million litres of toxic wastes and making MY LAI a kindergarden where hundreds of such massacres took place and well documented in US archive but never came to light, only recently and they quickly brushed that under the carpet. Mean while they left the communist north all alone. So in fact US had absolute power and when US left after killing everyone while leaving the communists basically all alone, it is a wonder the communism rules now? And for what? So the unskilled can be corrupt and stupid.

Who said that they will bomb the country back to stone age again? And have they achieved that?


Do people consider these as collateral damages? What was the aim with all these collateral damages?
TINMAN
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ravenniao
Vietnam war was caused by the USA after they had lost Eastern Europe, Nationalist China, and bloodied their heads in Korea. USA decided there could be no more hemorrhaging of their c@ck-pride so the napalming of children became the necessary solution.
thekey
QUOTE (ravenniao @ Nov 6 2009, 03:39 PM) *
Vietnam war was caused by the USA after they had lost Eastern Europe, Nationalist China, and bloodied their heads in Korea. USA decided there could be no more hemorrhaging of their c@ck-pride so the napalming of children became the necessary solution.


That was an excuse. Look at the result:

They killed everyone, and bombed and poisoned the country back to stone age and replaced the once proud culture to a radical ideology that isn't radical or intelligent, communism.
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