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sinowarrior
Northern taiwan, taipei, the strong hold of KMT nationalist group, favors Pro-China stance. Southern Taiwan, Kaohsiung, is a strong hold of DPP, an anti-china faction.

The idea is separate the the 2 regions. The northern section would go for eventual unification with mainland.
While the southern region would be on their own..

There would be demarcation line drawing in the middle.
People who favors unification would migrate to the North and those want to be indepedent, then resettle in the South.

WHile the north would engage with China on all trade aspect. South Taiwan would go back to farming and agriculture.

Really a compromise for everybody.
afewminutesofyourlife
You want taiwan to be seperate , but don't want china to be seperate. Don't be such a hypocrite.

Red Fox Ace
Nobody would be happy with this.


China wants all of Taiwan, not half of it.


The DPP wants all of Taiwan, not half of it.


This isn't North and South Korea.
sinowarrior
QUOTE (Red Fox Ace @ Oct 12 2009, 01:13 PM) *
Nobody would be happy with this.


China wants all of Taiwan, not half of it.


The DPP wants all of Taiwan, not half of it.


This isn't North and South Korea.


KMT might favor separating themselves from the DPPs.

China for now would settle for Northern Taiwan. I am pretty sure about that. Half is better than None currently.

The idea is let South Taiwan on their own and after a while, Southern Taiwan would be hard to survive on its own and may be voluntarily join China in the future.

Northern Taiwan is controlled by KMT, not DPP. Besides, DPP wants democracy. They can practice democracy all they want at their own location.
sinowarrior
Once North and South Taiwan is separated on their own, China will immediately renounce the use of force against Taiwan.
sinraptor
only the mainland will benefit from this... its the classic divide and conquer
sinowarrior
QUOTE (sinraptor @ Oct 12 2009, 01:33 PM) *
only the mainland will benefit from this... its the classic divide and conquer


It's really up to KMT if they really want to separate themselves from those pesky DPPs. If they do, then everything would fall in line.
changxin
To those who say we need a unified country. We already lost outer mongolia, greater northeast and small parts of tibet. You can't have everything you want. and it seems as if the southern taiwan would never join china anyway.
Shyn
Taiwan is already too small as it is. It's either all or nothing, please.
sinowarrior
QUOTE (Shyn @ Oct 12 2009, 01:46 PM) *
Taiwan is already too small as it is. It's either all or nothing, please.


Not really, it's still many many times bigger than the well known country of Singapore.

Red Fox Ace
Good luck trying to propose such a referendum (splitting Taiwan into 2.) The vote would probably be less than 5%.....
sinowarrior
QUOTE (Red Fox Ace @ Oct 12 2009, 05:13 PM) *
Good luck trying to propose such a referendum (splitting Taiwan into 2.) The vote would probably be less than 5%.....


what referendum,?? all KMT need to do is declare civil war like they did with Mao, and kick all DPPers out of northern Taiwan.

Chineses versus so-called Non-Chineses.
Red Fox Ace
QUOTE (sinowarrior @ Oct 12 2009, 09:06 PM) *
what referendum,?? all KMT need to do is declare civil war like they did with Mao, and kick all DPPers out of northern Taiwan.

Chineses versus so-called Non-Chineses.



Get real.
sinowarrior
QUOTE (Red Fox Ace @ Oct 13 2009, 07:35 AM) *
Get real.


The undelrying incentive is there for KMT to separate themselves from DPPs. KMT knows the future economic well being of themselves is tied to with mainland while DPP want to sabotage that no matter what.

I see this will fester overtime and ultimately lead to civil war between the two.

yes, you heard from me for the first time.
sewoth
This is almost the most unlikely scenario ever. Taiwan is more likely to become an American state than for this to happen.

Taiwan is not going to split. KMT and DDP is not going to fight a civil war. That is just not feasible.

CCP is not going to only want half. Getting only half means nothing.

KMT is not going to cede to CCP even if they did fight a war. Don't think KMT and CCP are good buddies. KMT is only acting friendly toward China because DDP's agenda is independence and their agenda would be opposite of that (else there would be some other issue to fight over), and ultimately they are not going to merge or something with CCP. Do not think political entities interact like how normal humans interact. The term "friends" don't exist. It's all about having more power and allying with the ones of common interests/the enemy of the enemy, never loyalty and gratitude.

Yeah, the much more likely scenario is that people in Taiwan have less of a superiority complex against Mainlanders as China develops to become more prosperous and more powerful, and if not a total unification, then a relation like the current one between Hong Kong and Mainland.
sinowarrior
QUOTE (sewoth @ Oct 13 2009, 08:44 PM) *
CCP is not going to only want half. Getting only half means nothing.


Almost everybody knows getting half is better than none.
Only you would think half means nothing.
TruthDoesntHurt
Is not feasible becaourse Tiwan cannot be divided by geography.

As a matter of factly, Taiwan itself survived becaourse of a strip of water (sea) which shielded itself, and if not they lost all territory, just like the case they lost in all areas in continental China.

So Taiwan cannot be divided becaourse of lack of natural geographical boundary, and also we must remember the ecomonic, culture, human traffic, institutions, and so on, are also integrated, so it's impossible to separate them, unless if a major revolution happen, and I doubt it.

But one shing is that you are correct that there is a major schism and disagreement between some sectors of Taiwan populace. This is regrettable, and I dont shink it will be solved any time soon. I blame this all on the stupidity and rashness of introducing "openness" or "democracy" and foreign interventions.
sunt
Taiwan is only 90 miles away from mainland China. These kmt supporters who love China so much , can hurry up and move to China. It makes no sense for kmt to live in Taiwan and try to drag everyone else there.
DPP supporters should keep Taiwan all for themselves, because they where there the longest, over 500 years.
Mainland Chinese government does not want Taiwan. They are more interested in developing their own country. If you travel to China , you will see this.
TruthDoesntHurt
QUOTE (sunt @ Oct 14 2009, 12:10 AM) *
Taiwan is only 90 miles away from mainland China. These kmt supporters who love China so much , can hurry up and move to China. It makes no sense for kmt to live in Taiwan and try to drag everyone else there.
DPP supporters should keep Taiwan all for themselves, because they where there the longest, over 500 years.
Mainland Chinese government does not want Taiwan. They are more interested in developing their own country. If you travel to China , you will see this.


Obviously you commit another factual mistake, again and again.

The longest people in Tiwan are not "DPP" for "500" years, but actually Taiwan Aborigines.

Stop trying to distort history. Nobody is a fool here.
sinowarrior
QUOTE (sunt @ Oct 14 2009, 12:10 AM) *
. It makes no sense for kmt to live in Taiwan and try to drag everyone else there.
DPP supporters should keep Taiwan all for themselves,


Taipei is KMT's domain, whereas Kaohsiung is DPP's. So, don't trepass.

mndeg
this is such a fail subforum, can't believe it turned out this way.
sunt
QUOTE (TruthDoesntHurt @ Oct 14 2009, 01:37 AM) *
Obviously you commit another factual mistake, again and again.

The longest people in Tiwan are not "DPP" for "500" years, but actually Taiwan Aborigines.

Stop trying to distort history. Nobody is a fool here.

You are the one committing mistakes.
Aborigines are all inter bred with local Taiwanese for the past 500 years.
Yes, let's drag all of Europe back to the Roman Empire.
let's drag pakistan back to india.
let's drag Norway back to the USSR.
let's drag America back into England.
let's drag mexico back into Spain.
let's drag vietnam back into france.
Why don't you hurry up and move back to China yourself. And stop blabbing impossible scnarios for Taiwan.
The mainlanders have already given up on Taiwan, and so should you. That is why no mainlanders are here posting anything about Taiwan status. The only group are the kmt decendents. You need to hurry up and move to china yourself.
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