is filipino asian?
some refer them as asian and some dont. what you think of youself?
i think in the eyes of national.... they are islander. but in USA their young people is in the same group as viet/lao/cambodian/hmong. especially those wannabes gangster.
they look more like hawian and samoune more than asian but some do look alot like asian. anyway i concider them as asian for filipino americans.
Full Version: is filipino asian?
They are what they want to be.
I have lots of Filipinos friends and I don't label them.
All I know is that I'm attracted to them.
East Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Fijians are ASIAN.
Also includes Guamanians.
The term "ASIAN" = people from the different regions of Asia.
PACIFIC ISLANDERS = people from the pacific islands off the coast of California
I have lots of Filipinos friends and I don't label them.
All I know is that I'm attracted to them.
East Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Fijians are ASIAN.
Also includes Guamanians.
The term "ASIAN" = people from the different regions of Asia.
PACIFIC ISLANDERS = people from the pacific islands off the coast of California
I think they're closely related to Latino.
QUOTE (Buddhalove @ Oct 21 2009, 04:41 PM) 
I think they're closely related to Latino.
Well in terms of genetics and such, I don't believe Filipinos to be closely related to Latino. The ancestors of the Mongoloid stock now dominating the country originated from Southern China just like many if not all of the Southeast Asian ethnic groups. However the modern Filipinos are probably a mix between Mongoloid and a bit of Australoid in lineage, but still predominantly Mongoloid. If you compare a normal Filipino to other everyday people of different Southeast Asian ethnicities, I think you will find the resemblance. But in culture, there are some aspects in Filipino culture that are similar to Latin culture.
Philippine languages are Asiatic languages but include many loanwords from Spanish, Sanskrit, Hindi, Chinese, and English. Filipino cuisine is a blend of native taste, but there is the Spanish
influence in many of them. In terms of dance, culture etc, the Philippines does have a lot of Spanish influenced dances but there are a plethora of native refined dances as well. Filipino culture
incorporates Catholicism which was introduced from Spain, and there are also Muslims in the south. But personally I think Filipino mannerisms, philosophy, etiquette, tradition, and our fun loving nature
is predominantly if not completely Southeast Asian. All the Spanish influences on the Philippines date back to the 300 years of Spanish domination within the archipelago, and compared to the British and French, the Spanish were different colonizers in the way that they force the natives to assimilate to Spanish culture.
As for a more geographical term to your question, yes Filipinos are Asians because the Philippine archipelago is in bounds with the boundary of Insular and Maritime Southeast Asia...
Of course personally its hard for a none Filipino to understand, but we Filipinos know who we are and our culture, and we are FILIPINO.
Hope this helps.
QUOTE (rdlp123 @ Oct 21 2009, 05:05 PM)
Well in terms of genetics and such, I don't believe Filipinos to be closely related to Latino. The ancestors of the Mongoloid stock now dominating the country originated from Southern China just like many if not all of the Southeast Asian ethnic groups. However the modern Filipinos are probably a mix between Mongoloid and a bit of Australoid in lineage, but still predominantly Mongoloid. If you compare a normal Filipino to other everyday people of different Southeast Asian ethnicities, I think you will find the resemblance. But in culture, there are some aspects in Filipino culture that are similar to Latin culture.
Philippine languages are Asiatic languages but include many loanwords from Spanish, Sanskrit, Hindi, Chinese, and English. Filipino cuisine is a blend of native taste, but there is the Spanish
influence in many of them. In terms of dance, culture etc, the Philippines does have a lot of Spanish influenced dances but there are a plethora of native refined dances as well. Filipino culture
incorporates Catholicism which was introduced from Spain, and there are also Muslims in the south. But personally I think Filipino mannerisms, philosophy, etiquette, tradition, and our fun loving nature
is predominantly if not completely Southeast Asian. All the Spanish influences on the Philippines date back to the 300 years of Spanish domination within the archipelago, and compared to the British and French, the Spanish were different colonizers in the way that they force the natives to assimilate to Spanish culture.
As for a more geographical term to your question, yes Filipinos are Asians because the Philippine archipelago is in bounds with the boundary of Insular and Maritime Southeast Asia...
Of course personally its hard for a none Filipino to understand, but we Filipinos know who we are and our culture, and we are FILIPINO.
Hope this helps.
Philippine languages are Asiatic languages but include many loanwords from Spanish, Sanskrit, Hindi, Chinese, and English. Filipino cuisine is a blend of native taste, but there is the Spanish
influence in many of them. In terms of dance, culture etc, the Philippines does have a lot of Spanish influenced dances but there are a plethora of native refined dances as well. Filipino culture
incorporates Catholicism which was introduced from Spain, and there are also Muslims in the south. But personally I think Filipino mannerisms, philosophy, etiquette, tradition, and our fun loving nature
is predominantly if not completely Southeast Asian. All the Spanish influences on the Philippines date back to the 300 years of Spanish domination within the archipelago, and compared to the British and French, the Spanish were different colonizers in the way that they force the natives to assimilate to Spanish culture.
As for a more geographical term to your question, yes Filipinos are Asians because the Philippine archipelago is in bounds with the boundary of Insular and Maritime Southeast Asia...
Of course personally its hard for a none Filipino to understand, but we Filipinos know who we are and our culture, and we are FILIPINO.
Hope this helps.
Ignore Buddhalove. He is a Filipinohater dumbass. For some reasons he hates Filipino people. That's why he doesn't want to be connected to your people. As you can see he claim your people to be Latino, but it is obvious that you look Asian and your counry is a part of Asia. He is retarted. Don't listen to him.
QUOTE (PingLing @ Oct 21 2009, 04:23 PM)
Ignore Buddhalove. He is a Filipinohater dumbass. For some reasons he hates Filipino people. That's why he doesn't want to be connected to your people. As you can see he claim your people to be Latino, but it is obvious that you look Asian and your counry is a part of Asia. He is retarted. Don't listen to him.
Learn how to read Jek. Who are you? Filipino? Give me a favor, take a lot reading class would you? I didn't claim or say Filipino are Latino. Let me repeat for you.
"I think they're closely related to Latino."
I was stating my opinion and was not sure. Relate means to bring into or establish association, connection, or relation. rdlp123 already summarized for none Filipino: So many Filipino have adapt Spanish's culture.
1/ in terms of genetics and such, I don't believe Filipinos to be closely related to Latino.
2/ Philippine languages are Asiatic languages but include many loanwords from Spanish, Sanskrit, Hindi, Chinese, and English.
3/ the Spanish influences on the Philippines date back to the 300 years of Spanish domination within the archipelago.
4/ Filipino culture incorporates Catholicism which was introduced from Spain.
na man, we are white
QUOTE (rdlp123 @ Oct 22 2009, 05:05 AM)
Well in terms of genetics and such, I don't believe Filipinos to be closely related to Latino. The ancestors of the Mongoloid stock now dominating the country originated from Southern China just like many if not all of the Southeast Asian ethnic groups. However the modern Filipinos are probably a mix between Mongoloid and a bit of Australoid in lineage, but still predominantly Mongoloid. If you compare a normal Filipino to other everyday people of different Southeast Asian ethnicities, I think you will find the resemblance. But in culture, there are some aspects in Filipino culture that are similar to Latin culture.
Philippine languages are Asiatic languages but include many loanwords from Spanish, Sanskrit, Hindi, Chinese, and English. Filipino cuisine is a blend of native taste, but there is the Spanish
influence in many of them. In terms of dance, culture etc, the Philippines does have a lot of Spanish influenced dances but there are a plethora of native refined dances as well. Filipino culture
incorporates Catholicism which was introduced from Spain, and there are also Muslims in the south. But personally I think Filipino mannerisms, philosophy, etiquette, tradition, and our fun loving nature
is predominantly if not completely Southeast Asian. All the Spanish influences on the Philippines date back to the 300 years of Spanish domination within the archipelago, and compared to the British and French, the Spanish were different colonizers in the way that they force the natives to assimilate to Spanish culture.
As for a more geographical term to your question, yes Filipinos are Asians because the Philippine archipelago is in bounds with the boundary of Insular and Maritime Southeast Asia...
Of course personally its hard for a none Filipino to understand, but we Filipinos know who we are and our culture, and we are FILIPINO.
Hope this helps.
Philippine languages are Asiatic languages but include many loanwords from Spanish, Sanskrit, Hindi, Chinese, and English. Filipino cuisine is a blend of native taste, but there is the Spanish
influence in many of them. In terms of dance, culture etc, the Philippines does have a lot of Spanish influenced dances but there are a plethora of native refined dances as well. Filipino culture
incorporates Catholicism which was introduced from Spain, and there are also Muslims in the south. But personally I think Filipino mannerisms, philosophy, etiquette, tradition, and our fun loving nature
is predominantly if not completely Southeast Asian. All the Spanish influences on the Philippines date back to the 300 years of Spanish domination within the archipelago, and compared to the British and French, the Spanish were different colonizers in the way that they force the natives to assimilate to Spanish culture.
As for a more geographical term to your question, yes Filipinos are Asians because the Philippine archipelago is in bounds with the boundary of Insular and Maritime Southeast Asia...
Of course personally its hard for a none Filipino to understand, but we Filipinos know who we are and our culture, and we are FILIPINO.
Hope this helps.
Best answer and you only have 4 post (
inside thing).I think most non-Filipinos don't have a hard time understanding this. Maybe, it's only the teenagers in America or those trying to get under people's skins
They are obviously european.
we're africans cuz they said we have big ****s lol
LOL were not asian because obviously
this indigenous filipina girl(igorot) looks hawiian, latino, white...but never asian
filipinas who looks pacific islander
this indigenous filipina girl(igorot) looks hawiian, latino, white...but never asian
filipinas who looks pacific islander
we're not asian because our ancestors brought rice farming to the islands thousands of years ago
wat tha fuccs a samoune?
Filipinos are Asian. It would be STUPID to think otherwise.
This thread is STUPID !!!
This thread is STUPID !!!
Israelis are Asians
to put it this way, i might join "Pacific Islands Finest", take a short peek at "Latin American Finest", but won't think of joining "Ebony Finest" or for that matter Stormfront . But i'm a member of AF LOL
. But i'm a member of AF LOL
how about asianfinest.c()m?????? any members here?? lol
QUOTE (randomtip @ Oct 21 2009, 09:41 AM)
is filipino asian?
yes. they are.
they do look like mexican and latino or haspanic judging from this second link http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=215221 she looks haspanic but just yellowish skin but then again i see some filipino with full fledge brownish skin as well.
overall most i see is like a fusion of mexican/hawaiian/chinese.
we all know judging from their specific location... they are pacific islanders but i think they can be in same category as asian as they look a bit like asian.
they even have haspanic names... but thats cause spain once took over right?
overall most i see is like a fusion of mexican/hawaiian/chinese.
we all know judging from their specific location... they are pacific islanders but i think they can be in same category as asian as they look a bit like asian.
they even have haspanic names... but thats cause spain once took over right?
and anyone watch family guy where they show a picture of a man? they cant really tell what race he is. they were like guessing... mexican? black? chinese? FILIPINO? i think they were aiming at filipino race joke.
filipinos arent nothing but a bunch of sad caucasian wannabes. I remember one Asian forum I use to visit back in early 2000, there was this filipino that use to flame, "so you dont want to consider us filipinos and Indians as Asian because we dont look Asian?" And filipinos were always trying to compare themselves to Indians. Dont you ever in your life try to compare yourselves to East Indian people you flat nosed monkey faced little buk buk. Indians are a damn respected people throughout the world, whom have influenced Asians tremendously, you dont compare to those people.
filipinos are a sad sad race of caucasian wannabes. I see you people everyday of my life, you travel in mobs of 5-10, and talk real fast, sounds like turkeys or chickens gobbling. You're mongoloid of the southern ilander malay branch, and you are nothing else besides islander malay. And then they come online and post the rest of the Asians are just jealous of them because filipinos dont look Asian, if you dont look Asian then wtf you look like white? Yea only in your wet dreams.
filipinos are a sad sad race of caucasian wannabes. I see you people everyday of my life, you travel in mobs of 5-10, and talk real fast, sounds like turkeys or chickens gobbling. You're mongoloid of the southern ilander malay branch, and you are nothing else besides islander malay. And then they come online and post the rest of the Asians are just jealous of them because filipinos dont look Asian, if you dont look Asian then wtf you look like white? Yea only in your wet dreams.
QUOTE (randomtip @ Oct 22 2009, 12:01 PM)
they do look like mexican and latino or haspanic judging from this second link http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=215221 she looks haspanic but just yellowish skin but then again i see some filipino with full fledge brownish skin as well.
overall most i see is like a fusion of mexican/hawaiian/chinese.
we all know judging from their specific location... they are pacific islanders but i think they can be in same category as asian as they look a bit like asian.
they even have haspanic names... but thats cause spain once took over right?
overall most i see is like a fusion of mexican/hawaiian/chinese.
we all know judging from their specific location... they are pacific islanders but i think they can be in same category as asian as they look a bit like asian.
they even have haspanic names... but thats cause spain once took over right?
actually they look indonesian...not hispanic...mexican people have a very protruding nose and r ugly as well
QUOTE (MakeAChange @ Oct 22 2009, 12:52 PM)
filipinos arent nothing but a bunch of sad caucasian wannabes. I remember one Asian forum I use to visit back in early 2000, there was this filipino that use to flame, "so you dont want to consider us filipinos and Indians as Asian" And filipinos were always trying to compare themselves to Indians. Dont you ever in your life try to compare yourselves to East Indian people you flat nosed monkey faced little buk buk. Indians are a damn respected people throughout the world, whom have influenced Asians tremendously, you dont compare to those people. filipinos are a sad sad race of caucasian wannabes. I see you people everyday of my life, you travel in mobs of 5-10, and talk real fast, sounds like turkeys or chickens gobbling. And then they come online and post the rest of the Asians are just jealous of them because filipinos dont look Asian, if you dont look Asian then wtf you look like white? yea only in your wet dreams.
LOL at this sad laoch...lao people r even more monkey faced because ur people come from the jungle...
Lao r monkeys who copy cambodian culture
Lao monkey children
QUOTE (randomtip @ Oct 22 2009, 12:01 PM)
they do look like mexican and latino or haspanic judging from this second link http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=215221 she looks haspanic but just yellowish skin but then again i see some filipino with full fledge brownish skin as well.
overall most i see is like a fusion of mexican/hawaiian/chinese.
we all know judging from their specific location... they are pacific islanders but i think they can be in same category as asian as they look a bit like asian.
they even have haspanic names... but thats cause spain once took over right?
overall most i see is like a fusion of mexican/hawaiian/chinese.
we all know judging from their specific location... they are pacific islanders but i think they can be in same category as asian as they look a bit like asian.
they even have haspanic names... but thats cause spain once took over right?
I don't mean to be rude but, well DUHHH the roots of Spanish Filipino surnames is from our colonization by Spain, where else would we get them. Its not like we were so cultureless we just adopted Spanish names when we didn't have any contact with Spanish speaking peoples at that point of history (before arrival of Spanish).
By the way you have our specific location totally wrong. The Philippine archipelago chain is connected to other parts of Southeast Asia through shallow bodies of water, so technically this makes the Philippines in Southeast Asia because its part of the Southeast Asian continental shelf. Pacific islands have no contact with Asia in this way. The same goes with Japan, their islands are connected to Asia in the same manner as the Philippines. But the way you put it might as well just say the Taiwanese and Japanese are Pacific Islanders as well.
The average Filipino definitely looks Mongoloid, like all other Southeast Asian stock. The problem is you're judging Filipino looks from people with mixed genes. What you need to do is stop looking at celebrities, and perhaps just look for average joes.
kung ako sa inyo, hwag na kayong mag-entertain ng mga walang kwentang bagay.
i repeat... don't feed the trolls. let them fuel their hate & negativity on their own. but do not be a part of it.
remember, mga kababayan... victory is ours when we focus on the Lord.
Luke 6:22 "Blessed are you when men hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man.
i repeat... don't feed the trolls. let them fuel their hate & negativity on their own. but do not be a part of it.
remember, mga kababayan... victory is ours when we focus on the Lord.
Luke 6:22 "Blessed are you when men hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man.
QUOTE (rdlp123 @ Oct 22 2009, 03:28 PM)
I don't mean to be rude but, well DUHHH the roots of Spanish Filipino surnames is from our colonization by Spain, where else would we get them. Its not like we were so cultureless we just adopted Spanish names when we didn't have any contact with Spanish speaking peoples at that point of history (before arrival of Spanish).
By the way you have our specific location totally wrong. The Philippine archipelago chain is connected to other parts of Southeast Asia through shallow bodies of water, so technically this makes the Philippines in Southeast Asia because its part of the Southeast Asian continental shelf. Pacific islands have no contact with Asia in this way. The same goes with Japan, their islands are connected to Asia in the same manner as the Philippines. But the way you put it might as well just say the Taiwanese and Japanese are Pacific Islanders as well.
The average Filipino definitely looks Mongoloid, like all other Southeast Asian stock. The problem is you're judging Filipino looks from people with mixed genes. What you need to do is stop looking at celebrities, and perhaps just look for average joes.
By the way you have our specific location totally wrong. The Philippine archipelago chain is connected to other parts of Southeast Asia through shallow bodies of water, so technically this makes the Philippines in Southeast Asia because its part of the Southeast Asian continental shelf. Pacific islands have no contact with Asia in this way. The same goes with Japan, their islands are connected to Asia in the same manner as the Philippines. But the way you put it might as well just say the Taiwanese and Japanese are Pacific Islanders as well.
The average Filipino definitely looks Mongoloid, like all other Southeast Asian stock. The problem is you're judging Filipino looks from people with mixed genes. What you need to do is stop looking at celebrities, and perhaps just look for average joes.
Who are you? You sound so calm. hehehehe.
QUOTE (silangan @ Oct 22 2009, 03:44 PM)
Who are you? You sound so calm. hehehehe.
lol haha thanks.
QUOTE (randomtip @ Oct 22 2009, 09:01 AM)
they even have haspanic names... but thats cause spain once took over right?
nah man, havent you heard of Sultan Pedro Jose & Rajah Panchito of ancient philippines?
ROFL not to forget the Caudillos & Dons of Lemuria & Kalantiaw
To shed some new light on this overly spoken about topic. Check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSr2k4buqU. Now if you are asking for what source did this info came from, don't freak out, they are listed on the vid page. In fact a huge list of resources are listed.
We're definitely Asian based on region with some Asian roots, but you cannot deny that we have deep relations with Pacific Islanders. Not just because our islands is in the Pacific, but because of culture, language, tools, belief in gods, boats (balangay), and tattoos. A lot of the patterns in our tattoos have similar meanings with Pacific Islanders much like our language. (Note: I'm talking pre-hispanic culture, as most of our beautiful native culture today have been intermixed or have been taken away from us)
QUOTE (kalulua @ Oct 22 2009, 03:12 PM)
To shed some new light on this overly spoken about topic. Check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSr2k4buqU. Now if you are asking for what source did this info came from, don't freak out, they are listed on the vid page. In fact a huge list of resources are listed.
We're definitely Asian based on region with some Asian roots, but you cannot deny that we have deep relations with Pacific Islanders. Not just because our islands is in the Pacific, but because of culture, language, tools, belief in gods, boats (balangay), and tattoos. A lot of the patterns in our tattoos have similar meanings with Pacific Islanders much like our language. (Note: I'm talking pre-hispanic culture, as most of our beautiful native culture today have been intermixed or have been taken away from us)
We're definitely Asian based on region with some Asian roots, but you cannot deny that we have deep relations with Pacific Islanders. Not just because our islands is in the Pacific, but because of culture, language, tools, belief in gods, boats (balangay), and tattoos. A lot of the patterns in our tattoos have similar meanings with Pacific Islanders much like our language. (Note: I'm talking pre-hispanic culture, as most of our beautiful native culture today have been intermixed or have been taken away from us)
Then they should be called asians too
QUOTE (taolander @ Oct 22 2009, 05:08 PM)
ROFL not to forget the Caudillos & Dons of Lemuria & Kalantiaw
Yes I agree with this that Filipino indigenous culture is very much so Pacific Islander, but perhaps a reason for this is that we received less Indian/Chinese influence compared to other Southeast Asian states that may have had similar culture before they were exposed to Indic and Sinitic cultures. And yes, the Austronesian language family is very cool hehe.
But if you look at Filipino culture as an integrated whole, we have taken a very different path to developement compared to the Pacific Islanders - such as court culture, dance, and cuisine.
The video was very nice by the way I loved watching it. The chanting resembles something very Southeast Asian/East Asian though - this could lead to Austronesian routes from Southern China.
QUOTE (kalulua @ Oct 22 2009, 05:12 PM)
To shed some new light on this overly spoken about topic. Check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSr2k4buqU. Now if you are asking for what source did this info came from, don't freak out, they are listed on the vid page. In fact a huge list of resources are listed.
We're definitely Asian based on region with some Asian roots, but you cannot deny that we have deep relations with Pacific Islanders. Not just because our islands is in the Pacific, but because of culture, language, tools, belief in gods, boats (balangay), and tattoos. A lot of the patterns in our tattoos have similar meanings with Pacific Islanders much like our language. (Note: I'm talking pre-hispanic culture, as most of our beautiful native culture today have been intermixed or have been taken away from us)
We're definitely Asian based on region with some Asian roots, but you cannot deny that we have deep relations with Pacific Islanders. Not just because our islands is in the Pacific, but because of culture, language, tools, belief in gods, boats (balangay), and tattoos. A lot of the patterns in our tattoos have similar meanings with Pacific Islanders much like our language. (Note: I'm talking pre-hispanic culture, as most of our beautiful native culture today have been intermixed or have been taken away from us)
The Youtube link spoke of the Austronesians coming from Taiwan.
Regarding the linguist Bellwood's verus Anthropologists Solheim-Oppenheimer's theories of Origin of Filipinos>>>
Out of Taiwan Theory versus Out of Sundaland(Mu) Theory
Perhaps, a Unified Theory to embrace both theories.
seriously, that could be possible since they occur in different time frame, it's just a matter of reconciling the two.
But for now, genetic studies seem to favor that Out of Sundaland theory which is consistent with the...
THE EVE OF AFRICA: single origin of man
link... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan
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The new theory, published in the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution, is likely to draw bitter criticism from supporters of the old consensus, based on linguistics, that the area is populated today by descendants of a rice-growing people called the Austronesians who expanded from Taiwan just 4,000 years ago. “Some quite forceful archaeologists have been extremely reluctant to accept this,” says Professor Richards. “And I haven’t met a single linguist willing to give up the out-of-Taiwan argument.”
The Austronesians supposedly supplanted the indigenous hunter-gatherers, who first arrived 50,000 years ago yet were considered so insignificant that they have not even been named.
“That was a great mistake,” Professor Richards says. His team is the first to use the full mitochondrial genome rather than fragments, giving it a much more detailed picture of population movements in the distant past. Their results show that the biggest migration went not from Taiwan, but to it, and occurred much earlier.
The Austronesians supposedly supplanted the indigenous hunter-gatherers, who first arrived 50,000 years ago yet were considered so insignificant that they have not even been named.
“That was a great mistake,” Professor Richards says. His team is the first to use the full mitochondrial genome rather than fragments, giving it a much more detailed picture of population movements in the distant past. Their results show that the biggest migration went not from Taiwan, but to it, and occurred much earlier.
The Bellwood's Theory or popularly known as the Out of Taiwan or South China theory has a concept of everything diffusing from the Philippines, ie the Malayo-Polynesians at the least. That the Ancestors of Malays, Filipinos, Hawaiians, Polynesians, Indonesians, the Malagasy speakers of Madagascar, the Maoris of New Zealand, etc. came from South China, then passed to Taiwan and to the Philippine isles. And so the Malagasy speaker from Madagascar and at the other end of the globe, the Polynesians from Easter Island off the coast of South America have one or few ancestors in common passing through the Philippines as their staging point for migrations as the central axis to both sides of the globe. And this occurs at the most 5,000 years ago.
But genetic studies done as published here... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan are saying that a more earlier migrations than the linguist Bellwood's theory is proving that the reverse direction might be true, that more larger migrations occuring much earlier than 5,000 years ago from the Philippines onwards northwards radiating towards Taiwan, South China, to as far as Korea and Japan via the landbridge or by boat during the times of rising sea levels at the end of the last glacial period or Ice Age. Dr. Oppenheimer and the Paleontologist Solheim even dared to say that the Hindu civilization and the earliest western civilization, Sumer owe much of their civilizations from those migrants coming from Sundaland. Which accounts for certain similarities of rootwords between Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Austrics. That's why the two scientists with their scholarly scientific validated evidence concluded that western civilization owe much of its civilization to this "Eden in the East", the place where the oldest and most Biodiverse biomass resided, where agriculture and domestication of animals started and where the highest concentration of Deluvial motiffs and myths are centered.
http://www.calacademy.org/research/izg/Tro...20Diversity.jpg
See here Austric influence in India... http://www.geocities.com/pinatubo.geo/austric.htm
Austric relationship of Sumerian Language... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/sumer.htm
Austrics and Austronesians... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/austro.htm
Philippine isles together with the Malay or Indonesian archipelago were part of Sundaland aeons ago.
http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/underworld/Sundaland.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...a_and_Sahul.png
The Aetas, the Aborigines of Australia and the whole ancestors of Humanity were migrants from East Africa, based on the recent mitochondrial studies, passing from the Horn of Africa to the Gulf of Aden and finally to Sundaland and Australia. And from the sunking of the Sundaland (biblical Noah's flood? during the melting of the polar ice caps at the end of the pleistocene ice age) ten thousand years ago came the ancestors of the Austrics and some migrated to South Asia mixing with the natives there becoming the ancestors of the Indo-Aryans or Indo-Europeans, others going northwards to become the rice-cultivating settlers of South China onwards to the yayoi and jomon cultures of korea and japan. Notice that this is the reverse of the Out of China theory and the Aryan Invasion theory. The divergence phenotypically from the short stature kinky haired dark colored pygmies to a taller whiter skinned straight haired Austrics coming from a single gene pool occured in Sundaland...
The Out of China/Taiwan Theory is akin to the now debunked among the Indian philosophers and historians, the British sponsored "Aryan Invasion Theory" whom Hitler hailed as his bible. One of those against the Aryan Invasion Theory don't believed also the Out of Taiwan Theory...
Here is his review of the book Eden in the East...
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/reviews/atlantis.html
Review of Stephen Oppenheimer's Eden in the East
by Koenraad Elst
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The other perspective which came from a New Zealander Keith Rankin, also doesn't believe the Out of China/Taiwan Theory
orig article: http://pl.net/~keithr/rfc2001113OriginsEden.html
Please refer to that link as the orig article has lots of links, which could give you a better picture.
Here are some interesting yet intriguing highlights from that article:
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It is likely that, 12,000 years ago, the island peoples from the Philippines preyed on the agricultural wealth of Sundaland, much as the British (an opportunistic island people) preyed on the Spanish in the 16th century, and as nomadic 'voyaging' people generally preyed on the agricultural regions of Eurasia. The underlying culture that made the British Empire what it was, was one of piracy. Interestingly, the far-flung Austronesian colony of Madagascar became a notorious pirate haven in the 16th to 18th centuries AD.
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There must be major impulse for migrations of such magnitude to take place, so as to accelerate maritime technologies of the Proto Austronesians. Upheavals like the Noah's flood scenario, like the melting of the ice caps, or the end of the ice age, that will push, chronologies higher at or before 10,000 years ago and not just the 5,200 years ago of the Out of Taiwan theory. Why would the Polynesians of New Zealand or Hawaiians spoke of their legendary homeland as Hawaiiki or Javaiki with such great reverence as if they lost their homeland from a great catastrophe. Why would the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Phoenicians, and the Ancient Sumerians(Proto-Semitic) spoke highly of their homelands, Punt(Poeni), Primordial Phoenicia, Dilmun or Edin, and regret the lost of their corresponding motherlands from such a great catastrophe, migrating by means of maritime vessel/s with the help of their corresponding deities.
But in fairness to the Out of Taiwan theory, a similar rising sea level might have occured on that time frame of of 5,200 years ago. Perhaps this would reconcile the two theories, where migrations happened on a series of waves coinciding with the gradual rising of sealevels. As my memory serves me right, that the last rising of sealevel occured just about at that time period of Out of Taiwan theory which is 5,200 years ago.
That migrations happened on both directions can never be discounted. And thus, these two theories can easily be reconciled. But since the one with a higher chronologies could supplant the one with the lower, we are safe to assume that Taiwan is not the homeland of the Malayo-Polynesians. Now, both recognize the central role of the Philippines isles in the migration patterns, perhaps, Bellwood could change the arbitrary origin with a new central locus and make corrections on where the homeland of the Austronesians is.
QUOTE (rdlp123 @ Oct 22 2009, 12:28 PM)
I don't mean to be rude but, well DUHHH the roots of Spanish Filipino surnames is from our colonization by Spain, where else would we get them. Its not like we were so cultureless we just adopted Spanish names when we didn't have any contact with Spanish speaking peoples at that point of history (before arrival of Spanish).
By the way you have our specific location totally wrong. The Philippine archipelago chain is connected to other parts of Southeast Asia through shallow bodies of water, so technically this makes the Philippines in Southeast Asia because its part of the Southeast Asian continental shelf. Pacific islands have no contact with Asia in this way. The same goes with Japan, their islands are connected to Asia in the same manner as the Philippines. But the way you put it might as well just say the Taiwanese and Japanese are Pacific Islanders as well.
The average Filipino definitely looks Mongoloid, like all other Southeast Asian stock. The problem is you're judging Filipino looks from people with mixed genes. What you need to do is stop looking at celebrities, and perhaps just look for average joes.
By the way you have our specific location totally wrong. The Philippine archipelago chain is connected to other parts of Southeast Asia through shallow bodies of water, so technically this makes the Philippines in Southeast Asia because its part of the Southeast Asian continental shelf. Pacific islands have no contact with Asia in this way. The same goes with Japan, their islands are connected to Asia in the same manner as the Philippines. But the way you put it might as well just say the Taiwanese and Japanese are Pacific Islanders as well.
The average Filipino definitely looks Mongoloid, like all other Southeast Asian stock. The problem is you're judging Filipino looks from people with mixed genes. What you need to do is stop looking at celebrities, and perhaps just look for average joes.
Most of people in the Philippines don't have Spanish blood and their last names were adopted exclusively for taxing purposes during the Spanish colonization. Many Filipino last names don't exist in Spain or Latin America because they were taken from the name of flowers or objects other sources. Have you heard about Narciso Clavería?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A1logo...ual_application
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A1logo...co_de_Apellidos
My middle name and last name is common in texas, los angeles, mexico and spain but rare in the Philippines.
QUOTE (Tecolote @ Oct 23 2009, 12:29 AM)
Most of people in the Philippines don't have Spanish blood and their last names were adopted exclusively for taxing purposes during the Spanish colonization. Many Filipino last names don't exist in Spain or Latin America because they were taken from the name of flowers or objects other sources. Have you heard about Narciso Clavería?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A1logo...ual_application
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A1logo...co_de_Apellidos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A1logo...ual_application
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A1logo...co_de_Apellidos
hey look a thread about mexico...go post there...ur hater @ss is not wanted here
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...p;#entry4358513
QUOTE (salamat @ Oct 23 2009, 02:39 AM)
hey look a thread about mexico...go post there...ur hater @ss is not wanted here
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...p;#entry4358513
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...p;#entry4358513
Hey! What's your problem? Little Dingdong? Is that your name? Dingdong Papagayo?
QUOTE (Tecolote @ Oct 23 2009, 10:51 AM)
Hey! What's your problem? Little Dingdong? Is that your name? Dingdong Papagayo?
I see ur back to making fun of filipinos again...no my name is not Dingdong...
whats ur name??? Pedro???? or should I just call u bean burrito
What is ur @ss still doing in flip chat??? r u looking to start trouble again mr bean burrito???
Ur stinking up the place making it smell like fish tacos
QUOTE (salamat @ Oct 23 2009, 08:30 AM)
I see ur back to making fun of filipinos again...no my name is not Dingdong...
whats ur name??? Pedro???? or should I just call u bean burrito
What is ur @ss still doing in flip chat??? r u looking to start trouble again mr bean burrito???
Ur stinking up the place making it smell like fish tacos
whats ur name??? Pedro???? or should I just call u bean burrito
What is ur @ss still doing in flip chat??? r u looking to start trouble again mr bean burrito???
Ur stinking up the place making it smell like fish tacos
his name is "PEPE" lmao
QUOTE (salamat @ Oct 23 2009, 10:30 AM)
I see ur back to making fun of filipinos again...no my name is not Dingdong...
whats ur name??? Pedro???? or should I just call u bean burrito
What is ur @ss still doing in flip chat??? r u looking to start trouble again mr bean burrito???
Ur stinking up the place making it smell like fish tacos
whats ur name??? Pedro???? or should I just call u bean burrito
What is ur @ss still doing in flip chat??? r u looking to start trouble again mr bean burrito???
Ur stinking up the place making it smell like fish tacos
What is wrong with the name Pedro? Is it not Filipino as it is Mexican? Many famous ( and not so famous) Filipinos share/d this name ( although I doubt many will in the future) . Ever heard of Pedro Gil St in Ermita, Manila?? Maybe you want it to be changed to Peter Giles so you can pretend to your American masters that you are actually white? That is what is happening as we speak. Filipinos adopting ofw names like charlie, jocelyn, evelyn so it is easier for their masters to summon them. Now that you are 'independent' Why not use native names you can be proud of and let foreigners know what they mean and how they relate to Filipino culture? The answer is because your mind is not independent. Lastly, whatever, anyone's views ( flames, trolls etc) they should be welcomed on the 'flip' board as during the discussion they might actually learn something or conversely also divulge some interesting thoughts.
QUOTE (rdlp123 @ Oct 22 2009, 02:28 PM)
I don't mean to be rude but, well DUHHH the roots of Spanish Filipino surnames is from our colonization by Spain, where else would we get them. Its not like we were so cultureless we just adopted Spanish names when we didn't have any contact with Spanish speaking peoples at that point of history (before arrival of Spanish).
By the way you have our specific location totally wrong. The Philippine archipelago chain is connected to other parts of Southeast Asia through shallow bodies of water, so technically this makes the Philippines in Southeast Asia because its part of the Southeast Asian continental shelf. Pacific islands have no contact with Asia in this way. The same goes with Japan, their islands are connected to Asia in the same manner as the Philippines. But the way you put it might as well just say the Taiwanese and Japanese are Pacific Islanders as well.
The average Filipino definitely looks Mongoloid, like all other Southeast Asian stock. The problem is you're judging Filipino looks from people with mixed genes. What you need to do is stop looking at celebrities, and perhaps just look for average joes.
By the way you have our specific location totally wrong. The Philippine archipelago chain is connected to other parts of Southeast Asia through shallow bodies of water, so technically this makes the Philippines in Southeast Asia because its part of the Southeast Asian continental shelf. Pacific islands have no contact with Asia in this way. The same goes with Japan, their islands are connected to Asia in the same manner as the Philippines. But the way you put it might as well just say the Taiwanese and Japanese are Pacific Islanders as well.
The average Filipino definitely looks Mongoloid, like all other Southeast Asian stock. The problem is you're judging Filipino looks from people with mixed genes. What you need to do is stop looking at celebrities, and perhaps just look for average joes.
Sorry, but you were given Spanish surnames precisely becasue you did not have surnames to begin with. Thais also adopted surnames only quite recently so nothing wrong with that. However the Filipino in my opinion does display a lack of self esteem and culture. It shows in their CHOICE of first name which today is largely Anglo. They seem to be ashamed of their roots and are clueless about how they fit into the larger world context. A few who write on this board seem to know where they stand and it is clear that they are frustrated at their compatriots' ignorance or ideologically warped excuses as to why the Filipino predicament is what it is today. The common threads are that everything is to blame on the Spaniards. Well, I can tell you that the Philippines was the 2nd least poor country ( I wont say rich as no Asian country was rich at this time) in Asia in the 1960s. Did the Spanish come over in a secret submarine and torpedo the Filipino economy and cause the current disaster of a country???????????
This topic is beyond played out.
To the OP who said guamanians are asian, last time I checked guamanians are micronesians. I grew up in guam and pure guamanians look like aetas with blonde hair and dark skin. Most guamanians do have filipino blood though due to importing them long ago for work.
To the dumbass filipinos who keep keep saying we arent asian need to take a reality test and go to germany and see what they call you there. I will save you time because i am pretty sure they will call you a n!p, g@@k, or chinese.
To the OP who said guamanians are asian, last time I checked guamanians are micronesians. I grew up in guam and pure guamanians look like aetas with blonde hair and dark skin. Most guamanians do have filipino blood though due to importing them long ago for work.
To the dumbass filipinos who keep keep saying we arent asian need to take a reality test and go to germany and see what they call you there. I will save you time because i am pretty sure they will call you a n!p, g@@k, or chinese.
According to Filipino's I've ran into in real life, they're Asian when the situation calls for it.
Example 1: Group of mexicans rag on a few Asians with cheap racial slurs. The Filipinos in the same "Asian" group "step aside" as if they were wrongfully accused of associating with such racial slurs, and laugh WITH the mexicans with the implication that feelings of kinship lie closer with the mexicans rather than the Asians.
Example 2: Filipinos hanging out with Asians at a drift or car event, since Asians are usually associated with imports and such, today, the Filipinos will be Asian and join in on the "coolness"
Example 3: When hanging around Hawaiians or at a place with a Hawaiian theme, they suddenly become islander as well, almost out of nowhere developing a Hawaiian accent, speaking in "pidgeon." When there isn't a Hawaiian presence around, they revert back to their normal accent.
Ultimately being Asian seems more like a trend to Filipinos rather than anything else.
Example 1: Group of mexicans rag on a few Asians with cheap racial slurs. The Filipinos in the same "Asian" group "step aside" as if they were wrongfully accused of associating with such racial slurs, and laugh WITH the mexicans with the implication that feelings of kinship lie closer with the mexicans rather than the Asians.
Example 2: Filipinos hanging out with Asians at a drift or car event, since Asians are usually associated with imports and such, today, the Filipinos will be Asian and join in on the "coolness"
Example 3: When hanging around Hawaiians or at a place with a Hawaiian theme, they suddenly become islander as well, almost out of nowhere developing a Hawaiian accent, speaking in "pidgeon." When there isn't a Hawaiian presence around, they revert back to their normal accent.
Ultimately being Asian seems more like a trend to Filipinos rather than anything else.
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Oct 22 2009, 09:20 PM)
The Youtube link spoke of the Austronesians coming from Taiwan.
Regarding the linguist Bellwood's verus Anthropologists Solheim-Oppenheimer's theories of Origin of Filipinos>>>
Out of Taiwan Theory versus Out of Sundaland(Mu) Theory
Perhaps, a Unified Theory to embrace both theories.
seriously, that could be possible since they occur in different time frame, it's just a matter of reconciling the two.
But for now, genetic studies seem to favor that Out of Sundaland theory which is consistent with the...
THE EVE OF AFRICA: single origin of man
link... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan
The Bellwood's Theory or popularly known as the Out of Taiwan or South China theory has a concept of everything diffusing from the Philippines, ie the Malayo-Polynesians at the least. That the Ancestors of Malays, Filipinos, Hawaiians, Polynesians, Indonesians, the Malagasy speakers of Madagascar, the Maoris of New Zealand, etc. came from South China, then passed to Taiwan and to the Philippine isles. And so the Malagasy speaker from Madagascar and at the other end of the globe, the Polynesians from Easter Island off the coast of South America have one or few ancestors in common passing through the Philippines as their staging point for migrations as the central axis to both sides of the globe. And this occurs at the most 5,000 years ago.
But genetic studies done as published here... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan are saying that a more earlier migrations than the linguist Bellwood's theory is proving that the reverse direction might be true, that more larger migrations occuring much earlier than 5,000 years ago from the Philippines onwards northwards radiating towards Taiwan, South China, to as far as Korea and Japan via the landbridge or by boat during the times of rising sea levels at the end of the last glacial period or Ice Age. Dr. Oppenheimer and the Paleontologist Solheim even dared to say that the Hindu civilization and the earliest western civilization, Sumer owe much of their civilizations from those migrants coming from Sundaland. Which accounts for certain similarities of rootwords between Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Austrics. That's why the two scientists with their scholarly scientific validated evidence concluded that western civilization owe much of its civilization to this "Eden in the East", the place where the oldest and most Biodiverse biomass resided, where agriculture and domestication of animals started and where the highest concentration of Deluvial motiffs and myths are centered.
http://www.calacademy.org/research/izg/Tro...20Diversity.jpg
See here Austric influence in India... http://www.geocities.com/pinatubo.geo/austric.htm
Austric relationship of Sumerian Language... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/sumer.htm
Austrics and Austronesians... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/austro.htm
Philippine isles together with the Malay or Indonesian archipelago were part of Sundaland aeons ago.
http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/underworld/Sundaland.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...a_and_Sahul.png
The Aetas, the Aborigines of Australia and the whole ancestors of Humanity were migrants from East Africa, based on the recent mitochondrial studies, passing from the Horn of Africa to the Gulf of Aden and finally to Sundaland and Australia. And from the sunking of the Sundaland (biblical Noah's flood? during the melting of the polar ice caps at the end of the pleistocene ice age) ten thousand years ago came the ancestors of the Austrics and some migrated to South Asia mixing with the natives there becoming the ancestors of the Indo-Aryans or Indo-Europeans, others going northwards to become the rice-cultivating settlers of South China onwards to the yayoi and jomon cultures of korea and japan. Notice that this is the reverse of the Out of China theory and the Aryan Invasion theory. The divergence phenotypically from the short stature kinky haired dark colored pygmies to a taller whiter skinned straight haired Austrics coming from a single gene pool occured in Sundaland...
The Out of China/Taiwan Theory is akin to the now debunked among the Indian philosophers and historians, the British sponsored "Aryan Invasion Theory" whom Hitler hailed as his bible. One of those against the Aryan Invasion Theory don't believed also the Out of Taiwan Theory...
Here is his review of the book Eden in the East...
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/reviews/atlantis.html
Review of Stephen Oppenheimer's Eden in the East
by Koenraad Elst
----
The other perspective which came from a New Zealander Keith Rankin, also doesn't believe the Out of China/Taiwan Theory
orig article: http://pl.net/~keithr/rfc2001113OriginsEden.html
Please refer to that link as the orig article has lots of links, which could give you a better picture.
Here are some interesting yet intriguing highlights from that article:
---------
There must be major impulse for migrations of such magnitude to take place, so as to accelerate maritime technologies of the Proto Austronesians. Upheavals like the Noah's flood scenario, like the melting of the ice caps, or the end of the ice age, that will push, chronologies higher at or before 10,000 years ago and not just the 5,200 years ago of the Out of Taiwan theory. Why would the Polynesians of New Zealand or Hawaiians spoke of their legendary homeland as Hawaiiki or Javaiki with such great reverence as if they lost their homeland from a great catastrophe. Why would the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Phoenicians, and the Ancient Sumerians(Proto-Semitic) spoke highly of their homelands, Punt(Poeni), Primordial Phoenicia, Dilmun or Edin, and regret the lost of their corresponding motherlands from such a great catastrophe, migrating by means of maritime vessel/s with the help of their corresponding deities.
But in fairness to the Out of Taiwan theory, a similar rising sea level might have occured on that time frame of of 5,200 years ago. Perhaps this would reconcile the two theories, where migrations happened on a series of waves coinciding with the gradual rising of sealevels. As my memory serves me right, that the last rising of sealevel occured just about at that time period of Out of Taiwan theory which is 5,200 years ago.
That migrations happened on both directions can never be discounted. And thus, these two theories can easily be reconciled. But since the one with a higher chronologies could supplant the one with the lower, we are safe to assume that Taiwan is not the homeland of the Malayo-Polynesians. Now, both recognize the central role of the Philippines isles in the migration patterns, perhaps, Bellwood could change the arbitrary origin with a new central locus and make corrections on where the homeland of the Austronesians is.
Regarding the linguist Bellwood's verus Anthropologists Solheim-Oppenheimer's theories of Origin of Filipinos>>>
Out of Taiwan Theory versus Out of Sundaland(Mu) Theory
Perhaps, a Unified Theory to embrace both theories.
seriously, that could be possible since they occur in different time frame, it's just a matter of reconciling the two.
But for now, genetic studies seem to favor that Out of Sundaland theory which is consistent with the...
THE EVE OF AFRICA: single origin of man
link... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan
The Bellwood's Theory or popularly known as the Out of Taiwan or South China theory has a concept of everything diffusing from the Philippines, ie the Malayo-Polynesians at the least. That the Ancestors of Malays, Filipinos, Hawaiians, Polynesians, Indonesians, the Malagasy speakers of Madagascar, the Maoris of New Zealand, etc. came from South China, then passed to Taiwan and to the Philippine isles. And so the Malagasy speaker from Madagascar and at the other end of the globe, the Polynesians from Easter Island off the coast of South America have one or few ancestors in common passing through the Philippines as their staging point for migrations as the central axis to both sides of the globe. And this occurs at the most 5,000 years ago.
But genetic studies done as published here... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan are saying that a more earlier migrations than the linguist Bellwood's theory is proving that the reverse direction might be true, that more larger migrations occuring much earlier than 5,000 years ago from the Philippines onwards northwards radiating towards Taiwan, South China, to as far as Korea and Japan via the landbridge or by boat during the times of rising sea levels at the end of the last glacial period or Ice Age. Dr. Oppenheimer and the Paleontologist Solheim even dared to say that the Hindu civilization and the earliest western civilization, Sumer owe much of their civilizations from those migrants coming from Sundaland. Which accounts for certain similarities of rootwords between Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Austrics. That's why the two scientists with their scholarly scientific validated evidence concluded that western civilization owe much of its civilization to this "Eden in the East", the place where the oldest and most Biodiverse biomass resided, where agriculture and domestication of animals started and where the highest concentration of Deluvial motiffs and myths are centered.
http://www.calacademy.org/research/izg/Tro...20Diversity.jpg
See here Austric influence in India... http://www.geocities.com/pinatubo.geo/austric.htm
Austric relationship of Sumerian Language... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/sumer.htm
Austrics and Austronesians... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/austro.htm
Philippine isles together with the Malay or Indonesian archipelago were part of Sundaland aeons ago.
http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/underworld/Sundaland.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...a_and_Sahul.png
The Aetas, the Aborigines of Australia and the whole ancestors of Humanity were migrants from East Africa, based on the recent mitochondrial studies, passing from the Horn of Africa to the Gulf of Aden and finally to Sundaland and Australia. And from the sunking of the Sundaland (biblical Noah's flood? during the melting of the polar ice caps at the end of the pleistocene ice age) ten thousand years ago came the ancestors of the Austrics and some migrated to South Asia mixing with the natives there becoming the ancestors of the Indo-Aryans or Indo-Europeans, others going northwards to become the rice-cultivating settlers of South China onwards to the yayoi and jomon cultures of korea and japan. Notice that this is the reverse of the Out of China theory and the Aryan Invasion theory. The divergence phenotypically from the short stature kinky haired dark colored pygmies to a taller whiter skinned straight haired Austrics coming from a single gene pool occured in Sundaland...
The Out of China/Taiwan Theory is akin to the now debunked among the Indian philosophers and historians, the British sponsored "Aryan Invasion Theory" whom Hitler hailed as his bible. One of those against the Aryan Invasion Theory don't believed also the Out of Taiwan Theory...
Here is his review of the book Eden in the East...
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/reviews/atlantis.html
Review of Stephen Oppenheimer's Eden in the East
by Koenraad Elst
----
The other perspective which came from a New Zealander Keith Rankin, also doesn't believe the Out of China/Taiwan Theory
orig article: http://pl.net/~keithr/rfc2001113OriginsEden.html
Please refer to that link as the orig article has lots of links, which could give you a better picture.
Here are some interesting yet intriguing highlights from that article:
---------
There must be major impulse for migrations of such magnitude to take place, so as to accelerate maritime technologies of the Proto Austronesians. Upheavals like the Noah's flood scenario, like the melting of the ice caps, or the end of the ice age, that will push, chronologies higher at or before 10,000 years ago and not just the 5,200 years ago of the Out of Taiwan theory. Why would the Polynesians of New Zealand or Hawaiians spoke of their legendary homeland as Hawaiiki or Javaiki with such great reverence as if they lost their homeland from a great catastrophe. Why would the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Phoenicians, and the Ancient Sumerians(Proto-Semitic) spoke highly of their homelands, Punt(Poeni), Primordial Phoenicia, Dilmun or Edin, and regret the lost of their corresponding motherlands from such a great catastrophe, migrating by means of maritime vessel/s with the help of their corresponding deities.
But in fairness to the Out of Taiwan theory, a similar rising sea level might have occured on that time frame of of 5,200 years ago. Perhaps this would reconcile the two theories, where migrations happened on a series of waves coinciding with the gradual rising of sealevels. As my memory serves me right, that the last rising of sealevel occured just about at that time period of Out of Taiwan theory which is 5,200 years ago.
That migrations happened on both directions can never be discounted. And thus, these two theories can easily be reconciled. But since the one with a higher chronologies could supplant the one with the lower, we are safe to assume that Taiwan is not the homeland of the Malayo-Polynesians. Now, both recognize the central role of the Philippines isles in the migration patterns, perhaps, Bellwood could change the arbitrary origin with a new central locus and make corrections on where the homeland of the Austronesians is.
Nice info so far. Although, it'll take me a day or two to read the rest. lol I will come back to it.
Thanx anyway.
QUOTE (kalulua @ Oct 24 2009, 02:50 AM)
Nice info so far. Although, it'll take me a day or two to read the rest. lol I will come back to it.
Thanx anyway.
Thanx anyway.
I don't care where do we came from what is important is how we developed as we are now....
The fact that people actually consider us as Pacific Islander is racist. Why? Because they have a general notion that Asians means Chinese-looking. Fudge, for a continent so huge, no one can expect the people to look the same. Filipinos are Asian, culturally, historically and geographically. Done. If there's anything that comes next to that, it'd be a Westerner, since our culture is very inclined to the West.
QUOTE (salamat @ Oct 24 2009, 10:29 AM)
I agree ...its so obvious
like this filipino kid looks really pacific islander
especially this pinay girl...she looks so pacific islander...no way could she ever pass for asian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v55WbeeKtBM
like this filipino kid looks really pacific islander
especially this pinay girl...she looks so pacific islander...no way could she ever pass for asian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v55WbeeKtBM
That's a tough argument, because there are also many Filipinos who resemble Samoans.
The past half century there was a huge "surge" of Koreans and Chinese that have migrated to the Philippines. So, some Filipino citizens have Korean or Chinese blood.
QUOTE (ozm @ Oct 24 2009, 02:05 AM)
According to Filipino's I've ran into in real life, they're Asian when the situation calls for it.
Example 1: Group of mexicans rag on a few Asians with cheap racial slurs. The Filipinos in the same "Asian" group "step aside" as if they were wrongfully accused of associating with such racial slurs, and laugh WITH the mexicans with the implication that feelings of kinship lie closer with the mexicans rather than the Asians.
Example 2: Filipinos hanging out with Asians at a drift or car event, since Asians are usually associated with imports and such, today, the Filipinos will be Asian and join in on the "coolness"
Example 3: When hanging around Hawaiians or at a place with a Hawaiian theme, they suddenly become islander as well, almost out of nowhere developing a Hawaiian accent, speaking in "pidgeon." When there isn't a Hawaiian presence around, they revert back to their normal accent.
Ultimately being Asian seems more like a trend to Filipinos rather than anything else.
Example 1: Group of mexicans rag on a few Asians with cheap racial slurs. The Filipinos in the same "Asian" group "step aside" as if they were wrongfully accused of associating with such racial slurs, and laugh WITH the mexicans with the implication that feelings of kinship lie closer with the mexicans rather than the Asians.
Example 2: Filipinos hanging out with Asians at a drift or car event, since Asians are usually associated with imports and such, today, the Filipinos will be Asian and join in on the "coolness"
Example 3: When hanging around Hawaiians or at a place with a Hawaiian theme, they suddenly become islander as well, almost out of nowhere developing a Hawaiian accent, speaking in "pidgeon." When there isn't a Hawaiian presence around, they revert back to their normal accent.
Ultimately being Asian seems more like a trend to Filipinos rather than anything else.
HAHA so true. I know a few like that.
in a group of Asian "ASIAN PRIDE!"
in a group of Mexican "Viva la Mexico"
in a group of Hawaiian "sup bra, let's go surfing and eat roast pork after, bra"
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