Full Version: The true history of Thailand and Cambodia
QUOTE (Buddhalove @ Oct 23 2009, 07:27 AM) 
Pretty good article though.
Just because this video was produced by a Khmer person, that does not mean this is how Thailand came to be. Thailand is not responsible for the fall of the Khmer Empire. It was all boiled down to natural selection theory, only the strongest survive. The SouthEast Asian region was experiencing the survival of the fittest episodes, the weaker Khmer Empire was being replaced by the a stronger, smarter, productive group of people.
QUOTE (topgun562 @ Oct 23 2009, 03:03 PM)
One of the major problem with the Thai people is the fact they like to claim other people stuff without giving credit.
QUOTE (Naresuan @ Oct 23 2009, 04:00 PM)
Just because this video was produced by a Khmer person, that does not mean this is how Thailand came to be. Thailand is not responsible for the fall of the Khmer Empire. It was all boiled down to natural selection theory, only the strongest survive. The SouthEast Asian region was experiencing the survival of the fittest episodes, the weaker Khmer Empire was being replaced by the a stronger, smarter, productive group of people.
no the stingyest, liars, backstaber, stealers, imposters, and no heart= tai
for example bhambi killing his own brother
QUOTE (AnKoRiaN1 @ Oct 24 2009, 11:40 AM)
no the stingyest, liars, backstaber, stealers, imposters, and no heart= tai
for example bhambi killing his own brother
for example bhambi killing his own brother
Did you mean Pali in Ramayana.
QUOTE (AnKoRiaN1 @ Oct 23 2009, 11:40 PM)
no the stingyest, liars, backstaber, stealers, imposters, and no heart= tai
for example bhambi killing his own brother
for example bhambi killing his own brother
Funny when the Jenla won the land from Funan,you think it's O.K.
BUT, when Davravati Sri Ayuttaya won our land back from Angkor, you called us names....
Hypocrite is what you are......
QUOTE (PeaceMan @ Oct 24 2009, 04:47 AM)
Funny when the Jenla won the land from Funan,you think it's O.K.
BUT, when Davravati Sri Ayuttaya won our land back from Angkor, you called us names....
Hypocrite is what you are......
BUT, when Davravati Sri Ayuttaya won our land back from Angkor, you called us names....
Hypocrite is what you are......
Khmers can't handle the truth so you can see them crying all over the internet
They don't know about "what's the past" and "what's the present"
In the modern Cambodia, Siam in the early Ratanakosin period influence them a lot
such as Buddhism and literature even King Ang Duoung and the most famous King Huk Tee
state that they got influence from Thai, I have a Khmer studies book in my home
(Thai language translated from Khmer source) But! I felt pity to them because the Khmer Rouge
sacked all the intellectuals in Cambodia and destroy books (throwing books into the river)
No doubt! the remaining people would be!
Then what about Khmer HIJACKED Funan civilization? There's a thread about Funan Empire
and no Khmer living things answered the issues at all, they did the same thing as Siam did to them
Karma!!!!! the period of Angkor was cruel period and made other ethinicities as slaves to build the temples
I know why they become racists due to Hindu influence of pure racism and as a result Shiva
(or Allah)? curses them! I can write much more compositions about Khmers both in good sides and bad sides
I'm sorry to decent Khmer members but Angkorian1 and topgun162 has already stepped on my face and pride
So the Jihad is CALLED!
PS: Khmer AF Members here is afraid of educated one like sonofgunongjerai very much because of the level of education lol
QUOTE (PeaceMan @ Oct 24 2009, 04:47 PM)
Funny when the Jenla won the land from Funan,you think it's O.K.
BUT, when Davravati Sri Ayuttaya won our land back from Angkor, you called us names....
Hypocrite is what you are......
BUT, when Davravati Sri Ayuttaya won our land back from Angkor, you called us names....
Hypocrite is what you are......
They think that Phunan is the same with Jenla... There is no such thing like this "fu-kin" pride or that "fu-kin" pride in ancient time, people don't even know what is Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar or Indonesia in 12th C but they might know about Funan, or Langkasuka, or Srivijai... There are only kingdoms, that is why we heard kingdoms like Majapahit (Javanese), Srivijai (Malay), Funan (Brahmin), Jenla (Khmer), and etc... It's also like a Burmese who assume that Rakhaing kingdom in Western Myanmar today as Burmese, Mortaban kingdom and Bago kingdom as Burmese while Burma is another kingdom that had absorbed Mon civilization and culture beside had burmicized other ethnics... I guess Burmese people realize this and luckily they are not stupid to just blindly following what their Junta government tell them but I bet after few years Myanmar opening herself and beginning their nationalistic propaganda, everything in Myanmar will be Burmese this and Burmese that for sure.
The strongest defeating the weakest... Sometimes, the weakest survive but will become majority and struggling to maintain their identity thus things like dialects in a language, sub-culture and etc arise... Pride of your country, culture, language is normal, nothing wrong... But blind pride is a hateful thing... What you people need to know is Indianization is in the first place giving civilization to us... Even Srivijai (Malay) and Majapahit (Javanese) began when Brahmin people entering the Islands of Sumatera and Java from Indian Ocean and some of them came through Burma...
I had came across with Javanese folks who did not go to school and claiming the whole Malaysia belong to Indonesia which will certainly make me react with my axe on his head, their media had blow stupid propaganda such as Malaysian stealing their Balinese Pendet Dance (we call it as Pundet here which means "c-ock" in Tamil in the meaning to tease stupid people like them)...
And also claiming Malaysian Malay language as stealing Indonesia language because it is almost the same... Indonesia Central Government now is in Java Island and as far as I know Java ethnic itself has their own language, but weirdly they never use their Javanese language as their national language but using Malay langauge which is the language of Sumateran people and the language spoken in Malaysia and Brunei where ethnic Malays had set kingdoms during Srivijai empire is in their glory time.
Java Island had many kingdoms and the famous one is Majapahit which is the continuation of other ancient kingdom in Indonesia and most Malay people especially those in my state assume Indonesia = Javanese since what they had seen in TV and Indonesian propaganda is like that. And they also claim Srivijai but Srivijai is not Java Island... Srivijai is a Malay kingdom which had also ruled Southern Thailand and had another base in Tamraling (Nakhorn Si Thammarat) post 7th C after they had defeated our local kingdoms here. I had seen this as almost the same happened to Thailand and of course my ancestral land is in NAKHORN SRI THAMMARAT. I know that my ancestral land was once a GREAT KINGDOM THAT HAD DEFEATED SRI LANKA. I know Tai ethnic had annexed my ancestral land but yet I had never react stupid because I speak in their language due to a century conquest had made us absorbing their language. I know to differentiate old stuff with modern stuff. Times pass by, we just need to be thankful to what we have. Jai Bhole Nath!
Buddhist-Muslim harmony alive and well in Thailand
by Philip Golingai
11 August 2009
Bangkok - Hamzah Desa, a 42-year-old Thai Muslim, sits cross-legged on the veranda of his one-room wooden house in Kampung Che Bilang in Satun, a Muslim-majority province in southern Thailand.
It's a typical Sunday afternoon in his village. A handful of villagers wearing headscarves are buying papaya salad and grilled chicken from a street vendor.
"Look at them. The seller is a Chinese Buddhist and the buyers are Malay Muslims", Hamzah, a community development officer for Kampung Che Bilang, says in Malay laced with a thick Kedah accent. "That is a sight that is difficult to find in Pattani (a region consisting of three Muslim-dominated provinces—Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani—on the eastern seaboard of the Isthmus of Kra)."
Hamzah then points to the grocery store next door owned by his neighbour, Bunleur Karnsannok, a 62-year-old Chinese Buddhist, as an example of how Buddhists and Muslims in Satun province live side-by-side, harmoniously.
"We are like siblings. When it is Eid el Fitr, a Muslim festival to mark the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, we will give Bunleur's family cakes; when it is Chinese New Year, his family will give us cakes", he says.
"We are all the same", echoes the grocery store owner who has lived in the village for 40 years.
The sibling relationship between Muslims and Buddhists in Satun province is in sharp contrast to the Pattani region where separatist-related unrest has killed more than 3,700 people—Buddhists and Muslims—since January 2004.
Satun province, adjacent to Kedah and Perlis, two states in Northern Malaysia, was once part of the Kedah Sultanate.
In a 1909 treaty, the British and Siamese authorities split the northernmost Malay regions of Pattani, Kelantan, Terengganu and Kedah. The Siamese secured Pattani and a section of Kedah (now Satun) while the British took Kelantan, Trengganu and most of Kedah.
Satun's provincial capital is called Satun (pronounced "S-toon"), which is approximately 973 km southwest of Bangkok. About 70 per cent of its 280,000 population is Malay Muslim.
Pattani Muslims and Satun Muslims have different aspirations, notes headscarf-wearing Siti Hajar Sasen, who lives in Kampung Che Bilang.
The 27-year-old homemaker is married to a 50-year-old Malaysian who owns a restaurant that serves halal food (permissible according to Islamic law) in Satun town, and exports fish from Ranong in Thailand to Kuala Perlis in Malaysia. "The Pattani Malays want to be separated from Thailand, while we want to live harmoniously with the other communities", she explains. "We only want peace; fighting against the Thai government will not be good for business."
Economically, the local population in Satun has benefited from the absence of inter-communal tensions. Its per capita income is roughly 50 per cent higher than Pattani's, which sees killings related to the separatist movement almost every day.
Siti Hajar acknowledges that she's comfortable in the Buddhist-dominated kingdom. "If a Muslim wants to do business and become a millionaire, the government will not interfere. If Muslims want to build a mosque, the government will not interfere. What else do I want?" she said.
Ali Man, a 75-year-old respected Muslim religious leader in Kampung Che Bilang, shares the same sentiment: "Although we are a minority in Thailand, when we apply for land the Thai government does not care whether you are Muslim or Buddhist", says Ali, who was dressed in a traditional Malay outfit, a gift from his brother, a Malaysian living in Kuala Lumpur.
Ali smiles when asked whether he owns huge swathes of a rubber plantation. "Praise be to God", he says, "I'm thankful the government does not discriminate."
There's also no discrimination in Kampung Che Bilang, according to Hamzah. "Although we form the majority (90 per cent of the 500 households in this village), we don't force our religious views on the others", he says.
For example, the Kampung Che Bilang community development committee allows non-Muslims to drink alcohol publicly in a designated zone in the village that has a dockyard serving Western boat owners.
Does Hamzah wish Satun province was still part of Kedah? "That is history. In a blink of an eye, my ancestors became Thai", he says. "I don't regret it. When I was born, I was a Thai."
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* Philip Golingai is a Bangkok-based Malaysian journalist, as well as an editor for Asia News Network, an alliance of 21 Asian newspapers, including Malaysia's The Star and Indonesia's The Jakarta Post. This article is distributed by the Common Ground News Service (CGNews) with permission from the author.
Source: The Star Online, 1 August 2009, thestar.com.my
Copyright permission is granted for publication.
http://www.commongroundnews.org/ ... &sid=1&sp=0
* I have live in both Buddhist and Muslim environment. I attend Temple classes for my Thai language which means I also attended Thamma classes. I'm not Chinese BTW, and there are also Malay Buddhist in my area don't be surprise...
by Philip Golingai
11 August 2009
Bangkok - Hamzah Desa, a 42-year-old Thai Muslim, sits cross-legged on the veranda of his one-room wooden house in Kampung Che Bilang in Satun, a Muslim-majority province in southern Thailand.
It's a typical Sunday afternoon in his village. A handful of villagers wearing headscarves are buying papaya salad and grilled chicken from a street vendor.
"Look at them. The seller is a Chinese Buddhist and the buyers are Malay Muslims", Hamzah, a community development officer for Kampung Che Bilang, says in Malay laced with a thick Kedah accent. "That is a sight that is difficult to find in Pattani (a region consisting of three Muslim-dominated provinces—Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani—on the eastern seaboard of the Isthmus of Kra)."
Hamzah then points to the grocery store next door owned by his neighbour, Bunleur Karnsannok, a 62-year-old Chinese Buddhist, as an example of how Buddhists and Muslims in Satun province live side-by-side, harmoniously.
"We are like siblings. When it is Eid el Fitr, a Muslim festival to mark the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, we will give Bunleur's family cakes; when it is Chinese New Year, his family will give us cakes", he says.
"We are all the same", echoes the grocery store owner who has lived in the village for 40 years.
The sibling relationship between Muslims and Buddhists in Satun province is in sharp contrast to the Pattani region where separatist-related unrest has killed more than 3,700 people—Buddhists and Muslims—since January 2004.
Satun province, adjacent to Kedah and Perlis, two states in Northern Malaysia, was once part of the Kedah Sultanate.
In a 1909 treaty, the British and Siamese authorities split the northernmost Malay regions of Pattani, Kelantan, Terengganu and Kedah. The Siamese secured Pattani and a section of Kedah (now Satun) while the British took Kelantan, Trengganu and most of Kedah.
Satun's provincial capital is called Satun (pronounced "S-toon"), which is approximately 973 km southwest of Bangkok. About 70 per cent of its 280,000 population is Malay Muslim.
Pattani Muslims and Satun Muslims have different aspirations, notes headscarf-wearing Siti Hajar Sasen, who lives in Kampung Che Bilang.
The 27-year-old homemaker is married to a 50-year-old Malaysian who owns a restaurant that serves halal food (permissible according to Islamic law) in Satun town, and exports fish from Ranong in Thailand to Kuala Perlis in Malaysia. "The Pattani Malays want to be separated from Thailand, while we want to live harmoniously with the other communities", she explains. "We only want peace; fighting against the Thai government will not be good for business."
Economically, the local population in Satun has benefited from the absence of inter-communal tensions. Its per capita income is roughly 50 per cent higher than Pattani's, which sees killings related to the separatist movement almost every day.
Siti Hajar acknowledges that she's comfortable in the Buddhist-dominated kingdom. "If a Muslim wants to do business and become a millionaire, the government will not interfere. If Muslims want to build a mosque, the government will not interfere. What else do I want?" she said.
Ali Man, a 75-year-old respected Muslim religious leader in Kampung Che Bilang, shares the same sentiment: "Although we are a minority in Thailand, when we apply for land the Thai government does not care whether you are Muslim or Buddhist", says Ali, who was dressed in a traditional Malay outfit, a gift from his brother, a Malaysian living in Kuala Lumpur.
Ali smiles when asked whether he owns huge swathes of a rubber plantation. "Praise be to God", he says, "I'm thankful the government does not discriminate."
There's also no discrimination in Kampung Che Bilang, according to Hamzah. "Although we form the majority (90 per cent of the 500 households in this village), we don't force our religious views on the others", he says.
For example, the Kampung Che Bilang community development committee allows non-Muslims to drink alcohol publicly in a designated zone in the village that has a dockyard serving Western boat owners.
Does Hamzah wish Satun province was still part of Kedah? "That is history. In a blink of an eye, my ancestors became Thai", he says. "I don't regret it. When I was born, I was a Thai."
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* Philip Golingai is a Bangkok-based Malaysian journalist, as well as an editor for Asia News Network, an alliance of 21 Asian newspapers, including Malaysia's The Star and Indonesia's The Jakarta Post. This article is distributed by the Common Ground News Service (CGNews) with permission from the author.
Source: The Star Online, 1 August 2009, thestar.com.my
Copyright permission is granted for publication.
http://www.commongroundnews.org/ ... &sid=1&sp=0
* I have live in both Buddhist and Muslim environment. I attend Temple classes for my Thai language which means I also attended Thamma classes. I'm not Chinese BTW, and there are also Malay Buddhist in my area don't be surprise...
LOL..... Look who's talking about Cambodia in the vid-O at 2:21... He don't even have Khmer native look and actually many Austroasian natives who are non-Khmer respect Khmer people and Cambodia regardless countries, look who had blacken Khmer image themselves? My French teacher is a Cambodian of Cham ethnic and he speaks Khmer very well. He said he is a Cambodian but not really a Khmer, he's a Cham. So, how do you define ethnicity and nationality in a country, it seems like what you had posed on Thailand. When they say they are Thai, you assume, Thai must be ethnic Thai without differentiating between Sukhothai rule and their ethnicity. Sukhothai is a kingdom that rule the land in a country known as Thailand today. If Thai following Khmer nationalistic propaganda, than Khmer nationalistic propaganda must be evil too because it is almost the same. My grandpa hate Phiboon Songkhram and Luang Vichit Vadakarn so much and he's a traditional person!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ0isOC742E...feature=related
He looks like a Hispanic and I doubt he has Khmer citizenship or responsible for the development of Phnom Penh or involved in anything that benefit Cambodian people... I guess he can be an actor if he return back to Chrouk Khmer ... Am pronouncing the word "Chrouk" according to my dialect and this is Thai section so am using my own pronunciation and my dialectical words. Hope Thai native P Nong who can speak Khmer language or dialect won't be mad at me... Am sure they know how we speak down here unless if they had never meet us and just assume us all as T'ai ... Chrouk has other meaning beside "Land" in our dialect here, I dunno whether it's originally Khmer because I dun even speak any Khmer, but I know that it's not Tai-Lao .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ0isOC742E...feature=related
He looks like a Hispanic and I doubt he has Khmer citizenship or responsible for the development of Phnom Penh or involved in anything that benefit Cambodian people... I guess he can be an actor if he return back to Chrouk Khmer
... Am pronouncing the word "Chrouk" according to my dialect and this is Thai section so am using my own pronunciation and my dialectical words. Hope Thai native P Nong who can speak Khmer language or dialect won't be mad at me... Am sure they know how we speak down here unless if they had never meet us and just assume us all as T'ai ... Chrouk has other meaning beside "Land" in our dialect here, I dunno whether it's originally Khmer because I dun even speak any Khmer, but I know that it's not Tai-Lao .QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 24 2009, 10:34 AM)
Buddhist-Muslim harmony alive and well in Thailand
by Philip Golingai
11 August 2009
Bangkok - Hamzah Desa, a 42-year-old Thai Muslim, sits cross-legged on the veranda of his one-room wooden house in Kampung Che Bilang in Satun, a Muslim-majority province in southern Thailand.
It's a typical Sunday afternoon in his village. A handful of villagers wearing headscarves are buying papaya salad and grilled chicken from a street vendor.
"Look at them. The seller is a Chinese Buddhist and the buyers are Malay Muslims", Hamzah, a community development officer for Kampung Che Bilang, says in Malay laced with a thick Kedah accent. "That is a sight that is difficult to find in Pattani (a region consisting of three Muslim-dominated provinces—Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani—on the eastern seaboard of the Isthmus of Kra)."
Hamzah then points to the grocery store next door owned by his neighbour, Bunleur Karnsannok, a 62-year-old Chinese Buddhist, as an example of how Buddhists and Muslims in Satun province live side-by-side, harmoniously.
"We are like siblings. When it is Eid el Fitr, a Muslim festival to mark the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, we will give Bunleur's family cakes; when it is Chinese New Year, his family will give us cakes", he says.
"We are all the same", echoes the grocery store owner who has lived in the village for 40 years.
The sibling relationship between Muslims and Buddhists in Satun province is in sharp contrast to the Pattani region where separatist-related unrest has killed more than 3,700 people—Buddhists and Muslims—since January 2004.
Satun province, adjacent to Kedah and Perlis, two states in Northern Malaysia, was once part of the Kedah Sultanate.
In a 1909 treaty, the British and Siamese authorities split the northernmost Malay regions of Pattani, Kelantan, Terengganu and Kedah. The Siamese secured Pattani and a section of Kedah (now Satun) while the British took Kelantan, Trengganu and most of Kedah.
Satun's provincial capital is called Satun (pronounced "S-toon"), which is approximately 973 km southwest of Bangkok. About 70 per cent of its 280,000 population is Malay Muslim.
Pattani Muslims and Satun Muslims have different aspirations, notes headscarf-wearing Siti Hajar Sasen, who lives in Kampung Che Bilang.
The 27-year-old homemaker is married to a 50-year-old Malaysian who owns a restaurant that serves halal food (permissible according to Islamic law) in Satun town, and exports fish from Ranong in Thailand to Kuala Perlis in Malaysia. "The Pattani Malays want to be separated from Thailand, while we want to live harmoniously with the other communities", she explains. "We only want peace; fighting against the Thai government will not be good for business."
Economically, the local population in Satun has benefited from the absence of inter-communal tensions. Its per capita income is roughly 50 per cent higher than Pattani's, which sees killings related to the separatist movement almost every day.
Siti Hajar acknowledges that she's comfortable in the Buddhist-dominated kingdom. "If a Muslim wants to do business and become a millionaire, the government will not interfere. If Muslims want to build a mosque, the government will not interfere. What else do I want?" she said.
Ali Man, a 75-year-old respected Muslim religious leader in Kampung Che Bilang, shares the same sentiment: "Although we are a minority in Thailand, when we apply for land the Thai government does not care whether you are Muslim or Buddhist", says Ali, who was dressed in a traditional Malay outfit, a gift from his brother, a Malaysian living in Kuala Lumpur.
Ali smiles when asked whether he owns huge swathes of a rubber plantation. "Praise be to God", he says, "I'm thankful the government does not discriminate."
There's also no discrimination in Kampung Che Bilang, according to Hamzah. "Although we form the majority (90 per cent of the 500 households in this village), we don't force our religious views on the others", he says.
For example, the Kampung Che Bilang community development committee allows non-Muslims to drink alcohol publicly in a designated zone in the village that has a dockyard serving Western boat owners.
Does Hamzah wish Satun province was still part of Kedah? "That is history. In a blink of an eye, my ancestors became Thai", he says. "I don't regret it. When I was born, I was a Thai."
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* Philip Golingai is a Bangkok-based Malaysian journalist, as well as an editor for Asia News Network, an alliance of 21 Asian newspapers, including Malaysia's The Star and Indonesia's The Jakarta Post. This article is distributed by the Common Ground News Service (CGNews) with permission from the author.
Source: The Star Online, 1 August 2009, thestar.com.my
Copyright permission is granted for publication.
http://www.commongroundnews.org/ ... &sid=1&sp=0
* I have live in both Buddhist and Muslim environment. I attend Temple classes for my Thai language which means I also attended Thamma classes. I'm not Chinese BTW, and there are also Malay Buddhist in my area don't be surprise...
by Philip Golingai
11 August 2009
Bangkok - Hamzah Desa, a 42-year-old Thai Muslim, sits cross-legged on the veranda of his one-room wooden house in Kampung Che Bilang in Satun, a Muslim-majority province in southern Thailand.
It's a typical Sunday afternoon in his village. A handful of villagers wearing headscarves are buying papaya salad and grilled chicken from a street vendor.
"Look at them. The seller is a Chinese Buddhist and the buyers are Malay Muslims", Hamzah, a community development officer for Kampung Che Bilang, says in Malay laced with a thick Kedah accent. "That is a sight that is difficult to find in Pattani (a region consisting of three Muslim-dominated provinces—Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani—on the eastern seaboard of the Isthmus of Kra)."
Hamzah then points to the grocery store next door owned by his neighbour, Bunleur Karnsannok, a 62-year-old Chinese Buddhist, as an example of how Buddhists and Muslims in Satun province live side-by-side, harmoniously.
"We are like siblings. When it is Eid el Fitr, a Muslim festival to mark the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, we will give Bunleur's family cakes; when it is Chinese New Year, his family will give us cakes", he says.
"We are all the same", echoes the grocery store owner who has lived in the village for 40 years.
The sibling relationship between Muslims and Buddhists in Satun province is in sharp contrast to the Pattani region where separatist-related unrest has killed more than 3,700 people—Buddhists and Muslims—since January 2004.
Satun province, adjacent to Kedah and Perlis, two states in Northern Malaysia, was once part of the Kedah Sultanate.
In a 1909 treaty, the British and Siamese authorities split the northernmost Malay regions of Pattani, Kelantan, Terengganu and Kedah. The Siamese secured Pattani and a section of Kedah (now Satun) while the British took Kelantan, Trengganu and most of Kedah.
Satun's provincial capital is called Satun (pronounced "S-toon"), which is approximately 973 km southwest of Bangkok. About 70 per cent of its 280,000 population is Malay Muslim.
Pattani Muslims and Satun Muslims have different aspirations, notes headscarf-wearing Siti Hajar Sasen, who lives in Kampung Che Bilang.
The 27-year-old homemaker is married to a 50-year-old Malaysian who owns a restaurant that serves halal food (permissible according to Islamic law) in Satun town, and exports fish from Ranong in Thailand to Kuala Perlis in Malaysia. "The Pattani Malays want to be separated from Thailand, while we want to live harmoniously with the other communities", she explains. "We only want peace; fighting against the Thai government will not be good for business."
Economically, the local population in Satun has benefited from the absence of inter-communal tensions. Its per capita income is roughly 50 per cent higher than Pattani's, which sees killings related to the separatist movement almost every day.
Siti Hajar acknowledges that she's comfortable in the Buddhist-dominated kingdom. "If a Muslim wants to do business and become a millionaire, the government will not interfere. If Muslims want to build a mosque, the government will not interfere. What else do I want?" she said.
Ali Man, a 75-year-old respected Muslim religious leader in Kampung Che Bilang, shares the same sentiment: "Although we are a minority in Thailand, when we apply for land the Thai government does not care whether you are Muslim or Buddhist", says Ali, who was dressed in a traditional Malay outfit, a gift from his brother, a Malaysian living in Kuala Lumpur.
Ali smiles when asked whether he owns huge swathes of a rubber plantation. "Praise be to God", he says, "I'm thankful the government does not discriminate."
There's also no discrimination in Kampung Che Bilang, according to Hamzah. "Although we form the majority (90 per cent of the 500 households in this village), we don't force our religious views on the others", he says.
For example, the Kampung Che Bilang community development committee allows non-Muslims to drink alcohol publicly in a designated zone in the village that has a dockyard serving Western boat owners.
Does Hamzah wish Satun province was still part of Kedah? "That is history. In a blink of an eye, my ancestors became Thai", he says. "I don't regret it. When I was born, I was a Thai."
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* Philip Golingai is a Bangkok-based Malaysian journalist, as well as an editor for Asia News Network, an alliance of 21 Asian newspapers, including Malaysia's The Star and Indonesia's The Jakarta Post. This article is distributed by the Common Ground News Service (CGNews) with permission from the author.
Source: The Star Online, 1 August 2009, thestar.com.my
Copyright permission is granted for publication.
http://www.commongroundnews.org/ ... &sid=1&sp=0
* I have live in both Buddhist and Muslim environment. I attend Temple classes for my Thai language which means I also attended Thamma classes. I'm not Chinese BTW, and there are also Malay Buddhist in my area don't be surprise...
my wive's grandpa is "Khon Nakorn", while her grandma is a central Thai ....We plan to have kids after next year. So their ancestors would be from many ancient Kingdoms...
QUOTE (PeaceMan @ Oct 25 2009, 12:12 AM)
my wive's grandpa is "Khon Nakorn", while her grandma is a central Thai ....We plan to have kids after next year. So their ancestors would be from many ancient Kingdoms...
That's enough in making your wife, you n your kids as our kinsmen
... Nakhorn is always among great kingdoms, I love Nakhorn Si Thammarat 
...
About language spoken, sometimes when I see some kiddies of SEAn ancestries like in the vid saying of SEAn people, you Thai, you Malaysian, you Burmese, you whatever shi-t it is are stealing our languages even the words were actually borrowed... Malay is not Indonesian or Malaysian language, it is an ethnic language who was the major ethnic of ancient kingdom and empire called Srivijai that being adopted by natives around the Mandala. Indonesia Central government is in Java Island, so you know the basis of Indonesia culture...
Let see in the vid by an Indian of Malayalee descent who travels around the world, you need to speak at least two language of South East Asia natives and one dialect of each language... Malayalam is the national language of Kerala State of India. Ancient kingdom there was Pallava! Do you recognize Pallava kingdom? I just highlighted Sanskrit based words and some Dravidian words... We can also notice few other non-Sanskrit words which came from Middle East and etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy-It7DJxjM...feature=related
Malayalam
Bhuti: Intelligence, Brain
Chakram: Disk
Chakravala: Horizon
Dhanam: Donation, Gift
Dharma: Responsibility, Duty
Karyam: Work
Mantri: Minister
Shastram: Astrological matters
Vartta: News
Appam: A kind of cuisine
Kadai (Tamil), Kada: Shop
Petti: Box
Putran: Son
Jeya: Success
Karanam: Because
Devah: God
Egam (Sanskrit based), Onnu (Dravidian based: One
Dvi (Sanskrit based), Rendu (Dravidian based): Two
Tri (Sanskrit based numeral), Munnu (Dravidian based): Three
Malay
Bhuti: no such word
Cakera: Disk, Sphere
Cakerawala: Horizon
Dana: Fund
Derma: Donation
Kerja: Work, other pronunciation of Karya: art work
Menteri: Minister
Sastera: Literature, Art
Warta: Gazette, News
Apam: The same Indian cuisine
Kedai: Shop
Peti: Cubical Box
Putera: Prince
Jaya: Success
Kerana: Because
Dewa: God, Spirits
Eka: First, Mono-
Dwi: Second, Bi-
Tri: Third, Tri-
Indonesia
Buti: Reason
Cakra: Disk
Cakrawala: Horizon
Dana: Donation
Dharma: Religion, Duty
Karya: Work
Mentri: Minister
Sastra: Literature
Warta: News
Apam: I dunno what they call this in Indonesian
Kedai: Never heard they say such word, they call it Toko from Chinese
Peti: I dunno about this
Putra: Son
Jaya: Success
Kerna: Because
Dewa: God
Eka: Mono-
Dwi: Bi-
Tri: Tri-
This is what we learned for our Highest Certificate Examination (A-Level) and in language classes here in my country, I dunno that those kiddies too are learning the same thing with us or simply hearing people telling this and that in the net and then simply fu-kin' the whole world
... I've never been to Thai school although I'm a Siamese, I have to go to Temple classes to keep our language alive using the model from Central Thai, so basically we make comparison to everything and not simply jumpin' into conclusion. I know about Thai too because I speak it (Thai Paktai) in my daily life, it's the language that my family had live with and we still continue the tradition...
Some words that I noticed the same with our dialect of Thai, I mean the high words are:
Montree: Minister
Jakr: Disc, Wheel
Jakrawan (Chakrawala)
Thaan (Dhana)
Thamma (Dharma)
Kiriya (Karya)
Satr (Shastra)
Chaiyyo, Jayyo (jaya)
Let see in the vid by an Indian of Malayalee descent who travels around the world, you need to speak at least two language of South East Asia natives and one dialect of each language... Malayalam is the national language of Kerala State of India. Ancient kingdom there was Pallava! Do you recognize Pallava kingdom? I just highlighted Sanskrit based words and some Dravidian words... We can also notice few other non-Sanskrit words which came from Middle East and etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy-It7DJxjM...feature=related
Malayalam
Bhuti: Intelligence, Brain
Chakram: Disk
Chakravala: Horizon
Dhanam: Donation, Gift
Dharma: Responsibility, Duty
Karyam: Work
Mantri: Minister
Shastram: Astrological matters
Vartta: News
Appam: A kind of cuisine
Kadai (Tamil), Kada: Shop
Petti: Box
Putran: Son
Jeya: Success
Karanam: Because
Devah: God
Egam (Sanskrit based), Onnu (Dravidian based: One
Dvi (Sanskrit based), Rendu (Dravidian based): Two
Tri (Sanskrit based numeral), Munnu (Dravidian based): Three
Malay
Bhuti: no such word
Cakera: Disk, Sphere
Cakerawala: Horizon
Dana: Fund
Derma: Donation
Kerja: Work, other pronunciation of Karya: art work
Menteri: Minister
Sastera: Literature, Art
Warta: Gazette, News
Apam: The same Indian cuisine
Kedai: Shop
Peti: Cubical Box
Putera: Prince
Jaya: Success
Kerana: Because
Dewa: God, Spirits
Eka: First, Mono-
Dwi: Second, Bi-
Tri: Third, Tri-
Indonesia
Buti: Reason
Cakra: Disk
Cakrawala: Horizon
Dana: Donation
Dharma: Religion, Duty
Karya: Work
Mentri: Minister
Sastra: Literature
Warta: News
Apam: I dunno what they call this in Indonesian
Kedai: Never heard they say such word, they call it Toko from Chinese
Peti: I dunno about this
Putra: Son
Jaya: Success
Kerna: Because
Dewa: God
Eka: Mono-
Dwi: Bi-
Tri: Tri-
This is what we learned for our Highest Certificate Examination (A-Level) and in language classes here in my country, I dunno that those kiddies too are learning the same thing with us or simply hearing people telling this and that in the net and then simply fu-kin' the whole world
... I've never been to Thai school although I'm a Siamese, I have to go to Temple classes to keep our language alive using the model from Central Thai, so basically we make comparison to everything and not simply jumpin' into conclusion. I know about Thai too because I speak it (Thai Paktai) in my daily life, it's the language that my family had live with and we still continue the tradition...Some words that I noticed the same with our dialect of Thai, I mean the high words are:
Montree: Minister
Jakr: Disc, Wheel
Jakrawan (Chakrawala)
Thaan (Dhana)
Thamma (Dharma)
Kiriya (Karya)
Satr (Shastra)
Chaiyyo, Jayyo (jaya)
I am wondering about the role of the French in the colonization of SE Asian, particularly on Cambodia.
Did the French help or destroy the Khmer Arts and Cultures ?
Did Thailand save and develop its Arts and Cultures further ?
Did the French help or destroy the Khmer Arts and Cultures ?
Did Thailand save and develop its Arts and Cultures further ?
Look what stupid Javanese (Indonesia) media had made propaganda about stealing culture, language, and etc and what is so irritating is that they made a claim based on a tourism promotional advert, we know they are always jealous and trying to get name from Malaysia since Sukarno time... Compare it to what had happened to Thailand and Cambodia and etc.
As per Malaysian language, Indonesian were actually those who claim the language of Srivijai (Malay) and had defile the Classical Malay language with Javanese, English and Dutch terms without making distinction between their modern language and Classical language... The Central Indonesian government is in Java Island and not in Sumatera which was the first base of Srivijai and Javanese post-Independence leaders had lied to Sumateran ethnics including Sumateranese Malay before including the territory into a new country formed after Dutch fled... Java Island has several native kingdoms which was Majapahit, Kediri, Mataram, Tarumanagara, and Singosari. Srivijai and Sailendra dynasty never native there. And there was no Indonesia (Java based country) yet before Dutch came or fled away.
Malaysia Stealing Indonesian Culture. To be exact Balinese and Javanese Culture, WTF? Malaysian Malays mostly are devout Muslim. They don't even practice any of their own traditional culture which were related to Hindu-Buddhism and Animism anymore. Some of their culture which is related to Langkawong Buddhism and Hindu-Brahman were inherited by us, the Siamese of Nakhorn and Langkasuka ancestry and hell they don't even look close to any Javanese things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_TRINl2XpQ
Indonesian medias and their folks who never travel even to other parts of their territories are ignorant about Malaysian native ethnicity composition and know nothing about the immigrants from Java and other parts in Indonesia territory had came here in Malaysia and had kick the @$$ of natives like us, our PM now is of Makassar ancestry which is now in Indonesian territory. He had kicked our @$$!
The video below is made by a Malaysian citizen of Javanese ethnicity. He's not my people and hell I will never claim any ties with the community like Javanese community because I'm not related to them. My people only those in my state and my ancestry states in South Thailand! In the vid, Indonesian claimed Batik, Tumeric, and several Javanese stuffs which only being practiced by Javanese community in Selangor and Johor state such as Kuda Kepang, and Ponorongo. We don't even attracted to those unattractive culture or customs of theirs even since they migrated here and stealing our lands using Malaysian citizenship and native status. What astounded us is that the claimants on natural things such as Tumeric, Mangoesteen, Arowana Fish, and etc are so funny.... Ahahahahahaaha..... So you choose to be stupid like them or not. I hate Javanese not only in Malaysia or those who had became Malaysian citizen but also those who are in Java Island for stabbing the back of others but still have the gut to accuse others! Before this I never had any bad thinking to others including Indonesia. My family had hired three maids from East Java Island, and we treat them like God because it is our custom here, although they work for us, we consider them as Guests and Guests are also God. But they stabbed our back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN_eC3lD4Xk...feature=related
Their fool media too using sources from stupid website such as Topix.Com... Ahahahahaha..... War for Traditional Dance Pundet (C-Ock), Banzai!!!!
P.s: I've never seen any Balinese in Malaysia but Javanese are so vast in Southern Malaysian States... I used to fight with those funky Javanese kids when I'm in my schooling time and they called me immigrants from Thailand, LOLLLLLL.... Who were actually the immigrants?
As per Malaysian language, Indonesian were actually those who claim the language of Srivijai (Malay) and had defile the Classical Malay language with Javanese, English and Dutch terms without making distinction between their modern language and Classical language... The Central Indonesian government is in Java Island and not in Sumatera which was the first base of Srivijai and Javanese post-Independence leaders had lied to Sumateran ethnics including Sumateranese Malay before including the territory into a new country formed after Dutch fled... Java Island has several native kingdoms which was Majapahit, Kediri, Mataram, Tarumanagara, and Singosari. Srivijai and Sailendra dynasty never native there. And there was no Indonesia (Java based country) yet before Dutch came or fled away.
Malaysia Stealing Indonesian Culture. To be exact Balinese and Javanese Culture, WTF? Malaysian Malays mostly are devout Muslim. They don't even practice any of their own traditional culture which were related to Hindu-Buddhism and Animism anymore. Some of their culture which is related to Langkawong Buddhism and Hindu-Brahman were inherited by us, the Siamese of Nakhorn and Langkasuka ancestry and hell they don't even look close to any Javanese things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_TRINl2XpQ
Indonesian medias and their folks who never travel even to other parts of their territories are ignorant about Malaysian native ethnicity composition and know nothing about the immigrants from Java and other parts in Indonesia territory had came here in Malaysia and had kick the @$$ of natives like us, our PM now is of Makassar ancestry which is now in Indonesian territory. He had kicked our @$$!
The video below is made by a Malaysian citizen of Javanese ethnicity. He's not my people and hell I will never claim any ties with the community like Javanese community because I'm not related to them. My people only those in my state and my ancestry states in South Thailand! In the vid, Indonesian claimed Batik, Tumeric, and several Javanese stuffs which only being practiced by Javanese community in Selangor and Johor state such as Kuda Kepang, and Ponorongo. We don't even attracted to those unattractive culture or customs of theirs even since they migrated here and stealing our lands using Malaysian citizenship and native status. What astounded us is that the claimants on natural things such as Tumeric, Mangoesteen, Arowana Fish, and etc are so funny.... Ahahahahahaaha..... So you choose to be stupid like them or not. I hate Javanese not only in Malaysia or those who had became Malaysian citizen but also those who are in Java Island for stabbing the back of others but still have the gut to accuse others! Before this I never had any bad thinking to others including Indonesia. My family had hired three maids from East Java Island, and we treat them like God because it is our custom here, although they work for us, we consider them as Guests and Guests are also God. But they stabbed our back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN_eC3lD4Xk...feature=related
Their fool media too using sources from stupid website such as Topix.Com... Ahahahahaha..... War for Traditional Dance Pundet (C-Ock), Banzai!!!!
P.s: I've never seen any Balinese in Malaysia but Javanese are so vast in Southern Malaysian States... I used to fight with those funky Javanese kids when I'm in my schooling time and they called me immigrants from Thailand, LOLLLLLL.... Who were actually the immigrants?
this year 2009
QUOTE (modernthai @ Oct 24 2009, 04:10 AM)
Khmers can't handle the truth so you can see them crying all over the internet
They don't know about "what's the past" and "what's the present"
In the modern Cambodia, Siam in the early Ratanakosin period influence them a lot
such as Buddhism and literature even King Ang Duoung and the most famous King Huk Tee
state that they got influence from Thai, I have a Khmer studies book in my home
(Thai language translated from Khmer source) But! I felt pity to them because the Khmer Rouge
sacked all the intellectuals in Cambodia and destroy books (throwing books into the river)
No doubt! the remaining people would be!
Then what about Khmer HIJACKED Funan civilization? There's a thread about Funan Empire
and no Khmer living things answered the issues at all, they did the same thing as Siam did to them
Karma!!!!! the period of Angkor was cruel period and made other ethinicities as slaves to build the temples
I know why they become racists due to Hindu influence of pure racism and as a result Shiva
(or Allah)? curses them! I can write much more compositions about Khmers both in good sides and bad sides
I'm sorry to decent Khmer members but Angkorian1 and topgun162 has already stepped on my face and pride
So the Jihad is CALLED!
PS: Khmer AF Members here is afraid of educated one like sonofgunongjerai very much because of the level of education lol
They don't know about "what's the past" and "what's the present"
In the modern Cambodia, Siam in the early Ratanakosin period influence them a lot
such as Buddhism and literature even King Ang Duoung and the most famous King Huk Tee
state that they got influence from Thai, I have a Khmer studies book in my home
(Thai language translated from Khmer source) But! I felt pity to them because the Khmer Rouge
sacked all the intellectuals in Cambodia and destroy books (throwing books into the river)
No doubt! the remaining people would be!
Then what about Khmer HIJACKED Funan civilization? There's a thread about Funan Empire
and no Khmer living things answered the issues at all, they did the same thing as Siam did to them
Karma!!!!! the period of Angkor was cruel period and made other ethinicities as slaves to build the temples
I know why they become racists due to Hindu influence of pure racism and as a result Shiva
(or Allah)? curses them! I can write much more compositions about Khmers both in good sides and bad sides
I'm sorry to decent Khmer members but Angkorian1 and topgun162 has already stepped on my face and pride
So the Jihad is CALLED!
PS: Khmer AF Members here is afraid of educated one like sonofgunongjerai very much because of the level of education lol
yeah yeah.. siam sack sheeit just a story lady boys create.. besides its Khmer land in the beginng so who cares idioit. Khmer is not the one that ran from their own country. u lady boys so tough go get your country back and live your chinese babarian style life..
thai ran away like cowards. ur king, your people, your ancestors, are pathetic and weak.
theres a reason we u came to Khmer to slave the Khmer and learn from the Khmer..
and u dogs learn well.. learned everything from martial arts to writing, dancing to numerals. u can lie to the world that o this is palli, o this is bhrahma, oh this is india, but everyone know Khmer own u.
Khmer raise a dog that bite its own owner..
QUOTE (AnKoRiaN1 @ Oct 25 2009, 04:27 PM)
yeah yeah.. siam sack sheeit just a story lady boys create.. besides its Khmer land in the beginng so who cares idioit. Khmer is not the one that ran from their own country. u lady boys so tough go get your country back and live your chinese babarian style life..
thai ran away like cowards. ur king, your people, your ancestors, are pathetic and weak.
theres a reason we u came to Khmer to slave the Khmer and learn from the Khmer..
and u dogs learn well.. learned everything from martial arts to writing, dancing to numerals. u can lie to the world that o this is palli, o this is bhrahma, oh this is india, but everyone know Khmer own u.
Khmer raise a dog that bite its own owner..
thai ran away like cowards. ur king, your people, your ancestors, are pathetic and weak.
theres a reason we u came to Khmer to slave the Khmer and learn from the Khmer..
and u dogs learn well.. learned everything from martial arts to writing, dancing to numerals. u can lie to the world that o this is palli, o this is bhrahma, oh this is india, but everyone know Khmer own u.
Khmer raise a dog that bite its own owner..
Funny post. LOL Thai people won't take you serious.
QUOTE (PingLing @ Oct 25 2009, 04:11 PM)
Funny post. LOL Thai people won't take you serious.
yea u no why cuz its the truth..
fukken chinese rejects
QUOTE (khunshaw @ Oct 25 2009, 12:36 AM)
I am wondering about the role of the French in the colonization of SE Asian, particularly on Cambodia.
Did the French help or destroy the Khmer Arts and Cultures ?
Did Thailand save and develop its Arts and Cultures further ?
Did the French help or destroy the Khmer Arts and Cultures ?
Did Thailand save and develop its Arts and Cultures further ?
yeah yeah.. siam sack sheeit just a story lady boys create.. besides its Khmer land in the beginng so who cares idioit. Khmer is not the one that ran from their own country. u lady boys so tough go get your country back and live your chinese babarian style life..
thai ran away like cowards. ur king, your people, your ancestors, are pathetic and weak.
theres a reason we u came to Khmer to slave the Khmer and learn from the Khmer..
and u dogs learn well.. learned everything from martial arts to writing, dancing to numerals. u can lie to the world that o this is palli, o this is bhrahma, oh this is india, but everyone know Khmer own u.
Khmer raise a dog that bite its own owner..
some Khmers need to know that ppl like Khunshaw are Chinese NOT Thai. They pretend to be Thai but they are Chinese.
Khunshaw does not speak for the Ethnic Thai ppl he is Chinese from Mainland china.
Chinamen like Khunshaw lost all their Han culture so they try to blend into Thai culture.
Khunshaw does not speak for the Ethnic Thai ppl he is Chinese from Mainland china.
Chinamen like Khunshaw lost all their Han culture so they try to blend into Thai culture.
QUOTE (AnKoRiaN1 @ Oct 25 2009, 07:28 PM)
yeah yeah.. siam sack sheeit just a story lady boys create.. besides its Khmer land in the beginng so who cares idioit. Khmer is not the one that ran from their own country. u lady boys so tough go get your country back and live your chinese babarian style life..
thai ran away like cowards. ur king, your people, your ancestors, are pathetic and weak.
theres a reason we u came to Khmer to slave the Khmer and learn from the Khmer..
and u dogs learn well.. learned everything from martial arts to writing, dancing to numerals. u can lie to the world that o this is palli, o this is bhrahma, oh this is india, but everyone know Khmer own u.
Khmer raise a dog that bite its own owner..
thai ran away like cowards. ur king, your people, your ancestors, are pathetic and weak.
theres a reason we u came to Khmer to slave the Khmer and learn from the Khmer..
and u dogs learn well.. learned everything from martial arts to writing, dancing to numerals. u can lie to the world that o this is palli, o this is bhrahma, oh this is india, but everyone know Khmer own u.
Khmer raise a dog that bite its own owner..
Still worship your old slave master French who made you forgot the Khmer arts/cultures and eat their sheeit instead. You must appreciate their kindness when they broke the slave bondage to Siam and made you theirs. When the French freed you in the 1950's, you as a crying baby suddenly madly yelled that those old customs was stolen by Siamese who have inherited, improved and developed the Suwanaphum Arts/Cultures to its greatness. We never forbid you from learning these arts and still gladly teach you who were blinded by the delusion grandeur and lack the abilities to learn on your own. The French must raise your people well as the crying babies.
QUOTE (khunshaw @ Oct 25 2009, 11:32 PM)
Still worship your old slave master French who made you forgot the Khmer arts/cultures and eat their sheeit instead. You must appreciate their kindness when they broke the slave bondage to Siam and made you theirs. When the French freed you in the 1950's, you as a crying baby suddenly madly yelled that those old customs was stolen by Siamese who have inherited, improved and developed the Suwanaphum Arts/Cultures to its greatness. We never forbid you from learning these arts and still gladly teach you who were blinded by the delusion grandeur and lack the abilities to learn on your own. The French must raise your people well as the crying babies.
Stop talking about Tai and Siamese ppl, You are chinese, please get that through your Chinese skull.
You have Nothing in relation with Siamese or Tai ppl. Go back to mainland buk jek.
be proud of your Chinese culture and arts, Dont cling to Siamese culture and arts so much chinaman.
QUOTE (Manleow @ Oct 25 2009, 07:54 PM)
some Khmers need to know that ppl like Khunshaw are Chinese NOT Thai. They pretend to be Thai but they are Chinese.
Khunshaw does not speak for the Ethnic Thai ppl he is Chinese from Mainland china.
Chinamen like Khunshaw lost all their Han culture so they try to blend into Thai culture.
Khunshaw does not speak for the Ethnic Thai ppl he is Chinese from Mainland china.
Chinamen like Khunshaw lost all their Han culture so they try to blend into Thai culture.
Hey manout หมาเน่า, your posts still indicate that you still linger in the past of long lost forsaken Lao kingdom and show how backward people you are.
With the kind helps in infrastructure constructions from the Chinese, present Lao citizen are looking forward to modernize Lao from backwardness.
Don't so ashamed to admit the great Chinese kindness toward Lao or you still worship your French slave master who taught the french language 555.
I am very proud of my Chinese descent and have learnt the great Chinese Arts and Cultures, such as Tao, music, Metaphysics like I Ching and Feng Shui, architecture and fine arts. I am Thai by birth yet my thinkings and attitudes are more Chinese.
Therefore, your post is stupid and false for accusing me without substantial knowledge of khunshaw.
You,หมาเน่า, still an ignorant and backward people who linger in the ast of long lost forsaken Lao kingdom.
Who gave Khmer Civilization? It is Funan! Stop talking s-hit about India or anyone. India is our paternal land and our sacred land, it will always be like that!... PraH Thong is a Brahmin, if there's a Jambudvipa in ancient India, then a leader from ancient India who travel to foreign land will bring the Jambudvipa into the new Mandala they made... Khmer or anyone here aren't Brahmins to begin with, unless if Khmer descended down from ancient India like the Mons, then you are included in the Jat system.
Without Sanskrit language absorbed and transmitted through Mon of Dvaravadi (Suphannaphum), Khmer language sound just like Vietnamese. Even Lord Buddha is from Ancient India, born in Lumphini, Nepal today... Your Khmer nationalistic propaganda might be so stupid if they taught Buddha is a Khmer born in Phom Penh and spreading his noble teachings in Buriram, Sisaket, Siam Reap, and Phnom Penh. Don't act stupid as you come from jungle and don't try blackening the image of educated Khmers in front of foreigners! You will enrage like sh-it if we call you a Phnong! I do not have any evil meaning or looking down to Khmer or Cambodia, instead the country is among ASEAN countries. My teacher is a Cambodian national as well, I never talk like this to him because he's an adult and educated!
Suphannaphum is our rendition for Suvarnabhumi. Is it sounds anything like Angkor? Prah Vihar? No?! ANgkor began around 8th C, from the remnant of Chenla after internal affairs. Angkor empire had reached almost everywhere in SEA mainland and what you've dreamed is just like those Siamese from Khrungthep dreamed of. Do you think in a kingdom there was only a single ethnicity? Then what kind of civilized kingdom was that because there must be few ethnics inhabiting the lands? What is the difference between Khmer empire who colonized others in 8th C-9th C and the Siam empire from Khrungthep who colonized other city-states in 14th C-18th C?
Traditional Siamese like us aren't as stupid as Khmer kids or Luk Khreung foreign kids who just visit their mother or father land in Cambodia and later fu-king others, because like they said: "Yeah, I'm damn proud of my land I learned so much about my daddy/mummy's country. Other's had stolen their culture and etc" with Californian accent. We know our tradition well here more than you who talk and heck more traditional than you. Theravada Buddhism is our religion here since early time, and we transmit it to Khmer people. Our beloved king, Chandrabhanu Dharmaraja had to build up a colony in Northern Sri Lanka after Tai-Lao ethnic of Sukhothai trying to enter our land in Southern area. We know that and who knows they might also absorbed our culture down here! But we won't blame anyone, everything is Phromlikhit and I'm sorry if it is Khmer word and I pronounce it incorrectly not according to your pronunciation. Our people will enter Wat when reaching 20, or 21 and those who do not enter Wat as a monk will be laughed because they have no tradition! Khmer weren't Theravada in 7th C but Mahayana, Nang Phra Chamatevi who taught your ancestor Theravada! Nang Phra Chamatevi is a Mon! PraH Thong is a Buddhist-Brahman not Saivaite Hindu and he traveled from South Thai before reaching Mekong Delta. PraH Thong Gotra (Clan) is Kondanna and what that suppose to mean in Khmer?!
You hate Thailand, that's your personal problem. I know some Central Thais are quite arrogant. I had met few of them who work in my work-place and they are just arrogant. It's normal, anywhere you go, if someone from New York met someone from Texas, they might looking down to a Texan. I dunno about how Americans behave toward each other nor about the geographical locations, because I'm proudly a Southern Thai. But what the heck with those Nationalism propaganda and etc? Do you have any Nationalism propaganda toward French? We have nationalism movement in kicking British a-ss here! We never hide like coward and just blaming Central Thai! Central Thai and also Burma had tried to enslave us too in 17th C but we resist it without giving harm to others here! We worked hard and we have proves for that!
From what I can see, your world view (Weltanschaaung) is very narrow and I thought that I am just an inferior compared to most of those foreign kids who talked sh-it about the whole Siamese in American English because they might have better education than village folks like us, but, it is hell in opposite to what I'm thinking. I'm so disappointed to see Khmer kids who are also among oldest native ethnics here thinking like in a bottle.
You don't even notice about World Civilizations but just lingering about how great was your empire or should we say your country and talking like others' are stupid as if we know nothing about it?? And actually the empire began from a kingdom or a city-state that later over-ruled others or colonizing others. You don't even notice what is Mesopotamia civilization (ancient Arab, Hebrews n Middle East), what is Egyptian civilization, what is Indus Civilization (ancient India), what is Hwang Ho Civilization (ancient China). And later how Greek Civilization arise, how Persian Civilization arise? How Maurya empire began, how Maurya empire reached SEA. From where? From Phnom Penh? From Bangkok? What is the meaning of a city-state? If you wanna talk about history, learn all of these first! Then talk like a historian, and not with dumb a-ss nationalist emo head! Real History n nationalism is two different things! Nationalism in our area down here is toward Western Power who is the Brit-$hit.
Just like few Punjabi movies I had watched, a man who thinks he is a landlord but did not go to school and saying: "Mera baap Mahinder Singh Ho, voh ek aadmi badaa! Jamindaar hai voh, yeh mera jamin hai, tum bahar jao!" (My dad Mahinder Singh, he's a great man because he was the landlord and this is my land, you get lost!). How did he get the land? Chasing the inhabitants that came before him and later assuming the land as theirs and those inside as slave or immigrants because after that they had destroyed others' house... F-uck off that sick thinking! It's now almost 2010, KaliyuG era. What is good ideas to make ASEAN a great place for each other and natives like us?! Any new ideas to boost education and economy around your countries?! Those ancient wars had already happened, you can't turn back the DIVINE counter-clockwise Sangkhakala (Time Conch)! Do you get it? Make your country a good place and a modern country with tradition preserved as well before the this Yuga end!
Without Sanskrit language absorbed and transmitted through Mon of Dvaravadi (Suphannaphum), Khmer language sound just like Vietnamese. Even Lord Buddha is from Ancient India, born in Lumphini, Nepal today... Your Khmer nationalistic propaganda might be so stupid if they taught Buddha is a Khmer born in Phom Penh and spreading his noble teachings in Buriram, Sisaket, Siam Reap, and Phnom Penh. Don't act stupid as you come from jungle and don't try blackening the image of educated Khmers in front of foreigners! You will enrage like sh-it if we call you a Phnong! I do not have any evil meaning or looking down to Khmer or Cambodia, instead the country is among ASEAN countries. My teacher is a Cambodian national as well, I never talk like this to him because he's an adult and educated!
Suphannaphum is our rendition for Suvarnabhumi. Is it sounds anything like Angkor? Prah Vihar? No?! ANgkor began around 8th C, from the remnant of Chenla after internal affairs. Angkor empire had reached almost everywhere in SEA mainland and what you've dreamed is just like those Siamese from Khrungthep dreamed of. Do you think in a kingdom there was only a single ethnicity? Then what kind of civilized kingdom was that because there must be few ethnics inhabiting the lands? What is the difference between Khmer empire who colonized others in 8th C-9th C and the Siam empire from Khrungthep who colonized other city-states in 14th C-18th C?
Traditional Siamese like us aren't as stupid as Khmer kids or Luk Khreung foreign kids who just visit their mother or father land in Cambodia and later fu-king others, because like they said: "Yeah, I'm damn proud of my land I learned so much about my daddy/mummy's country. Other's had stolen their culture and etc" with Californian accent. We know our tradition well here more than you who talk and heck more traditional than you. Theravada Buddhism is our religion here since early time, and we transmit it to Khmer people. Our beloved king, Chandrabhanu Dharmaraja had to build up a colony in Northern Sri Lanka after Tai-Lao ethnic of Sukhothai trying to enter our land in Southern area. We know that and who knows they might also absorbed our culture down here! But we won't blame anyone, everything is Phromlikhit and I'm sorry if it is Khmer word and I pronounce it incorrectly not according to your pronunciation. Our people will enter Wat when reaching 20, or 21 and those who do not enter Wat as a monk will be laughed because they have no tradition! Khmer weren't Theravada in 7th C but Mahayana, Nang Phra Chamatevi who taught your ancestor Theravada! Nang Phra Chamatevi is a Mon! PraH Thong is a Buddhist-Brahman not Saivaite Hindu and he traveled from South Thai before reaching Mekong Delta. PraH Thong Gotra (Clan) is Kondanna and what that suppose to mean in Khmer?!
You hate Thailand, that's your personal problem. I know some Central Thais are quite arrogant. I had met few of them who work in my work-place and they are just arrogant. It's normal, anywhere you go, if someone from New York met someone from Texas, they might looking down to a Texan. I dunno about how Americans behave toward each other nor about the geographical locations, because I'm proudly a Southern Thai. But what the heck with those Nationalism propaganda and etc? Do you have any Nationalism propaganda toward French? We have nationalism movement in kicking British a-ss here! We never hide like coward and just blaming Central Thai! Central Thai and also Burma had tried to enslave us too in 17th C but we resist it without giving harm to others here! We worked hard and we have proves for that!
From what I can see, your world view (Weltanschaaung) is very narrow and I thought that I am just an inferior compared to most of those foreign kids who talked sh-it about the whole Siamese in American English because they might have better education than village folks like us, but, it is hell in opposite to what I'm thinking. I'm so disappointed to see Khmer kids who are also among oldest native ethnics here thinking like in a bottle.
You don't even notice about World Civilizations but just lingering about how great was your empire or should we say your country and talking like others' are stupid as if we know nothing about it?? And actually the empire began from a kingdom or a city-state that later over-ruled others or colonizing others. You don't even notice what is Mesopotamia civilization (ancient Arab, Hebrews n Middle East), what is Egyptian civilization, what is Indus Civilization (ancient India), what is Hwang Ho Civilization (ancient China). And later how Greek Civilization arise, how Persian Civilization arise? How Maurya empire began, how Maurya empire reached SEA. From where? From Phnom Penh? From Bangkok? What is the meaning of a city-state? If you wanna talk about history, learn all of these first! Then talk like a historian, and not with dumb a-ss nationalist emo head! Real History n nationalism is two different things! Nationalism in our area down here is toward Western Power who is the Brit-$hit.
Just like few Punjabi movies I had watched, a man who thinks he is a landlord but did not go to school and saying: "Mera baap Mahinder Singh Ho, voh ek aadmi badaa! Jamindaar hai voh, yeh mera jamin hai, tum bahar jao!" (My dad Mahinder Singh, he's a great man because he was the landlord and this is my land, you get lost!). How did he get the land? Chasing the inhabitants that came before him and later assuming the land as theirs and those inside as slave or immigrants because after that they had destroyed others' house... F-uck off that sick thinking! It's now almost 2010, KaliyuG era. What is good ideas to make ASEAN a great place for each other and natives like us?! Any new ideas to boost education and economy around your countries?! Those ancient wars had already happened, you can't turn back the DIVINE counter-clockwise Sangkhakala (Time Conch)! Do you get it? Make your country a good place and a modern country with tradition preserved as well before the this Yuga end!
QUOTE (Manleow @ Oct 26 2009, 10:54 AM)
some Khmers need to know that ppl like Khunshaw are Chinese NOT Thai. They pretend to be Thai but they are Chinese.
Khunshaw does not speak for the Ethnic Thai ppl he is Chinese from Mainland china.
Chinamen like Khunshaw lost all their Han culture so they try to blend into Thai culture.
Khunshaw does not speak for the Ethnic Thai ppl he is Chinese from Mainland china.
Chinamen like Khunshaw lost all their Han culture so they try to blend into Thai culture.
The kids can't differentiate between ethnics in Southern China, I had once thinking that Lao and Chinese are the same, but not anymore after I learned more about it from Lao members and Hmong members... Too bad, they had seen you people as the people who overtook those lands that they had once "colonized"...
Read back Oral Stories of Funan and don't just go around schtincks like Thai learning numerals and scripts from Khmer, everybody already knows that and sick of that old drum which is half baked. Who is Khmer?! Natives who live thousand of years in an area around Mekong Delta or in the whole SEAn mainland for thousand of years.
This is document from your master, France. Sadly, we never see any Khmer kids who recognize France colonization and how they look down on SEAn natives as uncivilized and how they open-up the portal of CIVILIZATION to uncivilized SEAns but drawing tantrums on half-baked things to others. Many other native lands too had been falsely included in Burma which is now known as Myanmar. You call everyone in Myanmar today as Burmese (Bamar)?
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Titre du document / Document title: Kaundinya, Preah Thaong, and the Nāgī Somā : some aspects of a Cambodian legend
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Résumé / Abstract:
Legendary reports about the origin of Cambodia and of its early ruling dynasties can be found in ancient Chinese texts, Cambodian royal annals and folktales, all of which mingle various traditions and historical events and add mythical trimmings and motifs. These mythical aspects are both indigenous and Indian. Of central importance is the presence of a supernatural ancestress, in whom the indigenous concept of water spirits is overlain with that of the Indian nāgas, which in the course of Indianization gave the ancestress her name. The Indian notions of a lunar and a solar race* are also important. Historical persons (Kaundinya I, II, Liu-ye), personifications or symbols that cannot be identified (the nāga princess) and invented etymologies (Kambu, Merā) must be carefully distinguished.
Revue / Journal Title
Asian folklore studies ISSN 0385-2342
Source / Source
1993, vol. 52, no2, pp. 333-358 (2 p.)
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Anglais
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Nanzan University, Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, JAPON (1963-2007) (Revue)
Mots-clés anglais / English Keywords
Social relation ; Mythology ; Legend ; Origin ; Dynasty ; Water spirit ; Spirit ; Snake ; Indianization ; Immigration ; Khmer ; Indochina ; Cambodia ; Southeast Asia ;
Mots-clés français / French Keywords
Relation sociale ; Mythologie ; Légende ; Origine ; Dynastie ; Esprit de l'eau ; Esprit ; Serpent ; Indianisation ; Immigration ; Khmer ; Indochine ; Cambodge ; Asie du Sud-Est ; Nāgas ;
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INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 23755, 35400002494178.0020
Hail Lord Buddha! Jai Bhole-Nath Maha Shankara Rudra NamaH, Om NamaH Shivaya!
This is document from your master, France. Sadly, we never see any Khmer kids who recognize France colonization and how they look down on SEAn natives as uncivilized and how they open-up the portal of CIVILIZATION to uncivilized SEAns but drawing tantrums on half-baked things to others. Many other native lands too had been falsely included in Burma which is now known as Myanmar. You call everyone in Myanmar today as Burmese (Bamar)?
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Titre du document / Document title: Kaundinya, Preah Thaong, and the Nāgī Somā : some aspects of a Cambodian legend
Auteur(s) / Author(s): GAUDES R. ;
Résumé / Abstract:
Legendary reports about the origin of Cambodia and of its early ruling dynasties can be found in ancient Chinese texts, Cambodian royal annals and folktales, all of which mingle various traditions and historical events and add mythical trimmings and motifs. These mythical aspects are both indigenous and Indian. Of central importance is the presence of a supernatural ancestress, in whom the indigenous concept of water spirits is overlain with that of the Indian nāgas, which in the course of Indianization gave the ancestress her name. The Indian notions of a lunar and a solar race* are also important. Historical persons (Kaundinya I, II, Liu-ye), personifications or symbols that cannot be identified (the nāga princess) and invented etymologies (Kambu, Merā) must be carefully distinguished.
Revue / Journal Title
Asian folklore studies ISSN 0385-2342
Source / Source
1993, vol. 52, no2, pp. 333-358 (2 p.)
Langue / Language
Anglais
Editeur / Publisher
Nanzan University, Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, JAPON (1963-2007) (Revue)
Mots-clés anglais / English Keywords
Social relation ; Mythology ; Legend ; Origin ; Dynasty ; Water spirit ; Spirit ; Snake ; Indianization ; Immigration ; Khmer ; Indochina ; Cambodia ; Southeast Asia ;
Mots-clés français / French Keywords
Relation sociale ; Mythologie ; Légende ; Origine ; Dynastie ; Esprit de l'eau ; Esprit ; Serpent ; Indianisation ; Immigration ; Khmer ; Indochine ; Cambodge ; Asie du Sud-Est ; Nāgas ;
Localisation / Location
INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 23755, 35400002494178.0020
Hail Lord Buddha! Jai Bhole-Nath Maha Shankara Rudra NamaH, Om NamaH Shivaya!
QUOTE (Manleow @ Oct 25 2009, 08:44 PM)
Stop talking about Tai and Siamese ppl, You are chinese, please get that through your Chinese skull.
You have Nothing in relation with Siamese or Tai ppl. Go back to mainland buk jek.
be proud of your Chinese culture and arts, Dont cling to Siamese culture and arts so much chinaman.
You have Nothing in relation with Siamese or Tai ppl. Go back to mainland buk jek.
be proud of your Chinese culture and arts, Dont cling to Siamese culture and arts so much chinaman.
I cannot help posting about it because my bloodline has part of Siamese as my great granny was Siamese.
I have traveled to the mainland China and think the most beautiful place on earth is the Jiew Jai Goal, the Valley of Nine Village, in Northern ZiZuan.
I know the Arts an Cultures of the SE Asia is minor when compare to the Great China's but still a beautiful things.
I don't think you, primitive ignorant backward manout, know anything about the Great Chinese Arts and Cultures as the eastern civilization was built upon along with the Indian's.
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 02:44 AM)
The kids can't differentiate between ethnics in Southern China, I had once thinking that Lao and Chinese are the same, but not anymore after I learned more about it from Lao members and Hmong members... Too bad, they had seen you people as the people who overtook those lands that they had once "colonized"...
Well You know These Khmers are grouping Jek Thai (Ethinc Chinese ppl in Thailand) and combining them with real ethnic Thai and Siamese ppl like yourself. You are a true Ethnic Siamese but somehow Jek Thai ppl act like they represent ethnic Thai ppl of thailand when they dont. Jek Thai are not real Thai ppl, they do not represent Thai ppl.
Ppl like Khunshaw, peaceman, nhoona, mordernthai, pinglin, arroi, teenoi and all these Jek ppl do not represent Thai ppl they should be representing themselves in Chinese Chat.
When Khmer ppl talking venting their anger at the wrong group of ppl, these ppl they are arguing with are ethnic chinese ppl not the ethnic Thai or Siamese of Thailand. That is why you see us Lao talking trash to Jek Thai and not actual Thai ppl. because There is a major difference between Jek thai and actual Thai ppl.
QUOTE (khunshaw @ Oct 26 2009, 03:26 AM)
I cannot help posting about it because my bloodline has part of Siamese as my great granny was Siamese.
I have traveled to the mainland China and think the most beautiful place on earth is the Jiew Jai Goal, the Valley of Nine Village, in Northern ZiZuan.
I know the Arts an Cultures of the SE Asia is minor when compare to the Great China's but still a beautiful things.
I don't think you, primitive ignorant backward manout, know anything about the Great Chinese Arts and Cultures as the eastern civilization was built upon along with the Indian's.
I have traveled to the mainland China and think the most beautiful place on earth is the Jiew Jai Goal, the Valley of Nine Village, in Northern ZiZuan.
I know the Arts an Cultures of the SE Asia is minor when compare to the Great China's but still a beautiful things.
I don't think you, primitive ignorant backward manout, know anything about the Great Chinese Arts and Cultures as the eastern civilization was built upon along with the Indian's.
Ok Chinaman be proud of you Jek heritage ok, stop trying to claim siamese heritage or lineage. Your a fake Thai your not even ethnic Thai and your making real Thai ppl look bad. So you dont represent Thai ppl just represent your Jek culture and ppl.
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 01:00 AM)
Who gave Khmer Civilization? It is Funan! Stop talking s-hit about India or anyone. India is our paternal land and our sacred land, it will always be like that!... PraH Thong is a Brahmin, if there's a Jambudvipa in ancient India, then a leader from ancient India who travel to foreign land will bring the Jambudvipa into the new Mandala they made... Khmer or anyone here aren't Brahmins to begin with, unless if Khmer descended down from ancient India like the Mons, then you are included in the Jat system.
Without Sanskrit language absorbed and transmitted through Mon of Dvaravadi (Suphannaphum), Khmer language sound just like Vietnamese. Even Lord Buddha is from Ancient India, born in Lumphini, Nepal today... Your Khmer nationalistic propaganda might be so stupid if they taught Buddha is a Khmer born in Phom Penh and spreading his noble teachings in Buriram, Sisaket, Siam Reap, and Phnom Penh. Don't act stupid as you come from jungle and don't try blackening the image of educated Khmers in front of foreigners! You will enrage like sh-it if we call you a Phnong! I do not have any evil meaning or looking down to Khmer or Cambodia, instead the country is among ASEAN countries. My teacher is a Cambodian national as well, I never talk like this to him because he's an adult and educated!
Suphannaphum is our rendition for Suvarnabhumi. Is it sounds anything like Angkor? Prah Vihar? No?! ANgkor began around 8th C, from the remnant of Chenla after internal affairs. Angkor empire had reached almost everywhere in SEA mainland and what you've dreamed is just like those Siamese from Khrungthep dreamed of. Do you think in a kingdom there was only a single ethnicity? Then what kind of civilized kingdom was that because there must be few ethnics inhabiting the lands? What is the difference between Khmer empire who colonized others in 8th C-9th C and the Siam empire from Khrungthep who colonized other city-states in 14th C-18th C?
Traditional Siamese like us aren't as stupid as Khmer kids or Luk Khreung foreign kids who just visit their mother or father land in Cambodia and later fu-king others, because like they said: "Yeah, I'm damn proud of my land I learned so much about my daddy/mummy's country. Other's had stolen their culture and etc" with Californian accent. We know our tradition well here more than you who talk and heck more traditional than you. Theravada Buddhism is our religion here since early time, and we transmit it to Khmer people. Our beloved king, Chandrabhanu Dharmaraja had to build up a colony in Northern Sri Lanka after Tai-Lao ethnic of Sukhothai trying to enter our land in Southern area. We know that and who knows they might also absorbed our culture down here! But we won't blame anyone, everything is Phromlikhit and I'm sorry if it is Khmer word and I pronounce it incorrectly not according to your pronunciation. Our people will enter Wat when reaching 20, or 21 and those who do not enter Wat as a monk will be laughed because they have no tradition! Khmer weren't Theravada in 7th C but Mahayana, Nang Phra Chamatevi who taught your ancestor Theravada! Nang Phra Chamatevi is a Mon! PraH Thong is a Buddhist-Brahman not Saivaite Hindu and he traveled from South Thai before reaching Mekong Delta. PraH Thong Gotra (Clan) is Kondanna and what that suppose to mean in Khmer?!
You hate Thailand, that's your personal problem. I know some Central Thais are quite arrogant. I had met few of them who work in my work-place and they are just arrogant. It's normal, anywhere you go, if someone from New York met someone from Texas, they might looking down to a Texan. I dunno about how Americans behave toward each other nor about the geographical locations, because I'm proudly a Southern Thai. But what the heck with those Nationalism propaganda and etc? Do you have any Nationalism propaganda toward French? We have nationalism movement in kicking British a-ss here! We never hide like coward and just blaming Central Thai! Central Thai and also Burma had tried to enslave us too in 17th C but we resist it without giving harm to others here! We worked hard and we have proves for that!
From what I can see, your world view (Weltanschaaung) is very narrow and I thought that I am just an inferior compared to most of those foreign kids who talked sh-it about the whole Siamese in American English because they might have better education than village folks like us, but, it is hell in opposite to what I'm thinking. I'm so disappointed to see Khmer kids who are also among oldest native ethnics here thinking like in a bottle.
You don't even notice about World Civilizations but just lingering about how great was your empire or should we say your country and talking like others' are stupid as if we know nothing about it?? And actually the empire began from a kingdom or a city-state that later over-ruled others or colonizing others. You don't even notice what is Mesopotamia civilization (ancient Arab, Hebrews n Middle East), what is Egyptian civilization, what is Indus Civilization (ancient India), what is Hwang Ho Civilization (ancient China). And later how Greek Civilization arise, how Persian Civilization arise? How Maurya empire began, how Maurya empire reached SEA. From where? From Phnom Penh? From Bangkok? What is the meaning of a city-state? If you wanna talk about history, learn all of these first! Then talk like a historian, and not with dumb a-ss nationalist emo head! Real History n nationalism is two different things! Nationalism in our area down here is toward Western Power who is the Brit-$hit.
Just like few Punjabi movies I had watched, a man who thinks he is a landlord but did not go to school and saying: "Mera baap Mahinder Singh Ho, voh ek aadmi badaa! Jamindaar hai voh, yeh mera jamin hai, tum bahar jao!" (My dad Mahinder Singh, he's a great man because he was the landlord and this is my land, you get lost!). How did he get the land? Chasing the inhabitants that came before him and later assuming the land as theirs and those inside as slave or immigrants because after that they had destroyed others' house... F-uck off that sick thinking! It's now almost 2010, KaliyuG era. What is good ideas to make ASEAN a great place for each other and natives like us?! Any new ideas to boost education and economy around your countries?! Those ancient wars had already happened, you can't turn back the DIVINE counter-clockwise Sangkhakala (Time Conch)! Do you get it? Make your country a good place and a modern country with tradition preserved as well before the this Yuga end!
Without Sanskrit language absorbed and transmitted through Mon of Dvaravadi (Suphannaphum), Khmer language sound just like Vietnamese. Even Lord Buddha is from Ancient India, born in Lumphini, Nepal today... Your Khmer nationalistic propaganda might be so stupid if they taught Buddha is a Khmer born in Phom Penh and spreading his noble teachings in Buriram, Sisaket, Siam Reap, and Phnom Penh. Don't act stupid as you come from jungle and don't try blackening the image of educated Khmers in front of foreigners! You will enrage like sh-it if we call you a Phnong! I do not have any evil meaning or looking down to Khmer or Cambodia, instead the country is among ASEAN countries. My teacher is a Cambodian national as well, I never talk like this to him because he's an adult and educated!
Suphannaphum is our rendition for Suvarnabhumi. Is it sounds anything like Angkor? Prah Vihar? No?! ANgkor began around 8th C, from the remnant of Chenla after internal affairs. Angkor empire had reached almost everywhere in SEA mainland and what you've dreamed is just like those Siamese from Khrungthep dreamed of. Do you think in a kingdom there was only a single ethnicity? Then what kind of civilized kingdom was that because there must be few ethnics inhabiting the lands? What is the difference between Khmer empire who colonized others in 8th C-9th C and the Siam empire from Khrungthep who colonized other city-states in 14th C-18th C?
Traditional Siamese like us aren't as stupid as Khmer kids or Luk Khreung foreign kids who just visit their mother or father land in Cambodia and later fu-king others, because like they said: "Yeah, I'm damn proud of my land I learned so much about my daddy/mummy's country. Other's had stolen their culture and etc" with Californian accent. We know our tradition well here more than you who talk and heck more traditional than you. Theravada Buddhism is our religion here since early time, and we transmit it to Khmer people. Our beloved king, Chandrabhanu Dharmaraja had to build up a colony in Northern Sri Lanka after Tai-Lao ethnic of Sukhothai trying to enter our land in Southern area. We know that and who knows they might also absorbed our culture down here! But we won't blame anyone, everything is Phromlikhit and I'm sorry if it is Khmer word and I pronounce it incorrectly not according to your pronunciation. Our people will enter Wat when reaching 20, or 21 and those who do not enter Wat as a monk will be laughed because they have no tradition! Khmer weren't Theravada in 7th C but Mahayana, Nang Phra Chamatevi who taught your ancestor Theravada! Nang Phra Chamatevi is a Mon! PraH Thong is a Buddhist-Brahman not Saivaite Hindu and he traveled from South Thai before reaching Mekong Delta. PraH Thong Gotra (Clan) is Kondanna and what that suppose to mean in Khmer?!
You hate Thailand, that's your personal problem. I know some Central Thais are quite arrogant. I had met few of them who work in my work-place and they are just arrogant. It's normal, anywhere you go, if someone from New York met someone from Texas, they might looking down to a Texan. I dunno about how Americans behave toward each other nor about the geographical locations, because I'm proudly a Southern Thai. But what the heck with those Nationalism propaganda and etc? Do you have any Nationalism propaganda toward French? We have nationalism movement in kicking British a-ss here! We never hide like coward and just blaming Central Thai! Central Thai and also Burma had tried to enslave us too in 17th C but we resist it without giving harm to others here! We worked hard and we have proves for that!
From what I can see, your world view (Weltanschaaung) is very narrow and I thought that I am just an inferior compared to most of those foreign kids who talked sh-it about the whole Siamese in American English because they might have better education than village folks like us, but, it is hell in opposite to what I'm thinking. I'm so disappointed to see Khmer kids who are also among oldest native ethnics here thinking like in a bottle.
You don't even notice about World Civilizations but just lingering about how great was your empire or should we say your country and talking like others' are stupid as if we know nothing about it?? And actually the empire began from a kingdom or a city-state that later over-ruled others or colonizing others. You don't even notice what is Mesopotamia civilization (ancient Arab, Hebrews n Middle East), what is Egyptian civilization, what is Indus Civilization (ancient India), what is Hwang Ho Civilization (ancient China). And later how Greek Civilization arise, how Persian Civilization arise? How Maurya empire began, how Maurya empire reached SEA. From where? From Phnom Penh? From Bangkok? What is the meaning of a city-state? If you wanna talk about history, learn all of these first! Then talk like a historian, and not with dumb a-ss nationalist emo head! Real History n nationalism is two different things! Nationalism in our area down here is toward Western Power who is the Brit-$hit.
Just like few Punjabi movies I had watched, a man who thinks he is a landlord but did not go to school and saying: "Mera baap Mahinder Singh Ho, voh ek aadmi badaa! Jamindaar hai voh, yeh mera jamin hai, tum bahar jao!" (My dad Mahinder Singh, he's a great man because he was the landlord and this is my land, you get lost!). How did he get the land? Chasing the inhabitants that came before him and later assuming the land as theirs and those inside as slave or immigrants because after that they had destroyed others' house... F-uck off that sick thinking! It's now almost 2010, KaliyuG era. What is good ideas to make ASEAN a great place for each other and natives like us?! Any new ideas to boost education and economy around your countries?! Those ancient wars had already happened, you can't turn back the DIVINE counter-clockwise Sangkhakala (Time Conch)! Do you get it? Make your country a good place and a modern country with tradition preserved as well before the this Yuga end!
aahahahahahaha^^^^ Sonofagun you make laugh bro! It feels like you have insecurity problems! It's good that your back here debating about Funan! Now am here again! You fail to mention that there can be two Khmer kingdoms which co-exist between each other and the one that falls gets replaced not invade you! There's a difference between replace and invade! There is no evidence saying that Chenla invade Funan! They absorbed the whole people and culture with them and therefore expanded it! The fusion of Chenla and Funan made Angkor you moron! When Chenla replaced Funan the system never changed! Trade and development were still taking place at the same time! You also fail to mention how Funan declined? It wasn't the Chenla that came and destroyed Funan out of no where and then took over! Something was going on before Chenla REPLACED Funan! I do agree with you that Funan could possibly be an Indian empire but the Indians weren't there to invade but pass on their knowledge! Water Chenla is Funan! Chenla and Funan were not unify under one ruler don't you get it SONOFAGUN until King Jayavarman II unified it into Angkor and he also the descendant of the Funanese lineage! You also failed to mention the relationship between Chenla, Funan, and Lin-Yi which is the Cham state that came way before the existence of My son in the 7th century! What, where, and how did the Chams played a role in the Funan and Chenla relationship! Anymore questions let me know SONOFAGUN!
QUOTE (khunshaw @ Oct 25 2009, 11:00 PM)
Hey manout หมาเน่า, your posts still indicate that you still linger in the past of long lost forsaken Lao kingdom and show how backward people you are.
With the kind helps in infrastructure constructions from the Chinese, present Lao citizen are looking forward to modernize Lao from backwardness.
Don't so ashamed to admit the great Chinese kindness toward Lao or you still worship your French slave master who taught the french language 555.
I am very proud of my Chinese descent and have learnt the great Chinese Arts and Cultures, such as Tao, music, Metaphysics like I Ching and Feng Shui, architecture and fine arts. I am Thai by birth yet my thinkings and attitudes are more Chinese.
Therefore, your post is stupid and false for accusing me without substantial knowledge of khunshaw.
You,หมาเน่า, still an ignorant and backward people who linger in the ast of long lost forsaken Lao kingdom.
With the kind helps in infrastructure constructions from the Chinese, present Lao citizen are looking forward to modernize Lao from backwardness.
Don't so ashamed to admit the great Chinese kindness toward Lao or you still worship your French slave master who taught the french language 555.
I am very proud of my Chinese descent and have learnt the great Chinese Arts and Cultures, such as Tao, music, Metaphysics like I Ching and Feng Shui, architecture and fine arts. I am Thai by birth yet my thinkings and attitudes are more Chinese.
Therefore, your post is stupid and false for accusing me without substantial knowledge of khunshaw.
You,หมาเน่า, still an ignorant and backward people who linger in the ast of long lost forsaken Lao kingdom.
Hey Khunshaw, which one is you?
QUOTE (Indrataka1 @ Oct 27 2009, 04:06 AM)
aahahahahahaha^^^^ Sonofagun you make laugh bro! It feels like you have insecurity problems! It's good that your back here debating about Funan! Now am here again! You fail to mention that there can be two Khmer kingdoms which co-exist between each other and the one that falls gets replaced not invade you! There's a difference between replace and invade! There is no evidence saying that Chenla invade Funan! They absorbed the whole people and culture with them and therefore expanded it! The fusion of Chenla and Funan made Angkor you moron! When Chenla replaced Funan the system never changed! Trade and development were still taking place at the same time! You also fail to mention how Funan declined? It wasn't the Chenla that came and destroyed Funan out of no where and then took over! Something was going on before Chenla REPLACED Funan! I do agree with you that Funan could possibly be an Indian empire but the Indians weren't there to invade but pass on their knowledge! Water Chenla is Funan! Chenla and Funan were not unify under one ruler don't you get it SONOFAGUN until King Jayavarman II unified it into Angkor and he also the descendant of the Funanese lineage! You also failed to mention the relationship between Chenla, Funan, and Lin-Yi which is the Cham state that came way before the existence of My son in the 7th century! What, where, and how did the Chams played a role in the Funan and Chenla relationship! Anymore questions let me know SONOFAGUN!
No need for insecurity in my side. I already had Keralite paternal lineage which also indicate that I'm related to Pallava Civilization of India, it is clearer than those in Cambodia themselves.
There is evidence that Funan invaded our area here and Lower Burma and there isn't only one kingdom with Indian Civilization around 1st C... Langkasuka is the other empire in Southern Thailand and it still alive until now, in both part of Thailand and Malaysia. There were already Brahmin colonies in our area before Funan exist and since Maurya Empire expanding their mission over the Indian Ocean. Go, check for Inscriptions, no need speculations. We emphasize more about Chenla who invade other areas in the name of UNIFICATION and yes, Chenla is of Water and Fire. So, you think, the ethnicity in Chenla and Funan could possibly be the same? Even Cham kingdom too had different ethnicity. Funan is Pre-Khmer, do you understand what is the meaning of Pre? It means before subjects there calling themselves as Khmer or Khmai or whatever and I dunno where did the name Khmer came from. I just know it means "Patient" and it had been told by a Khmer himself and if it is wrong, blame that Khmer guy because giving me false information.
Do you know how Sailendra dynasty began and how they invaded back Southern Thailand and other part of Islands through Srivijai empire and where did they came apart of their base in Southern Sumatera? NO?! Will you admit our contribution to Khmer as well in Theravada teaching first of all? NO?! Khmer was Saivaite Hindus in the first place and since beginning practicing Siva Siddhanta?! Weird, because the surname Kondanna sound like a sage of Brahman school of thinking?! Any question? Let us know... Thank you...
QUOTE (Manleow @ Oct 27 2009, 03:02 AM)
Well You know These Khmers are grouping Jek Thai (Ethinc Chinese ppl in Thailand) and combining them with real ethnic Thai and Siamese ppl like yourself. You are a true Ethnic Siamese but somehow Jek Thai ppl act like they represent ethnic Thai ppl of thailand when they dont. Jek Thai are not real Thai ppl, they do not represent Thai ppl.
Ppl like Khunshaw, peaceman, nhoona, mordernthai, pinglin, arroi, teenoi and all these Jek ppl do not represent Thai ppl they should be representing themselves in Chinese Chat.
When Khmer ppl talking venting their anger at the wrong group of ppl, these ppl they are arguing with are ethnic chinese ppl not the ethnic Thai or Siamese of Thailand. That is why you see us Lao talking trash to Jek Thai and not actual Thai ppl. because There is a major difference between Jek thai and actual Thai ppl.
Ppl like Khunshaw, peaceman, nhoona, mordernthai, pinglin, arroi, teenoi and all these Jek ppl do not represent Thai ppl they should be representing themselves in Chinese Chat.
When Khmer ppl talking venting their anger at the wrong group of ppl, these ppl they are arguing with are ethnic chinese ppl not the ethnic Thai or Siamese of Thailand. That is why you see us Lao talking trash to Jek Thai and not actual Thai ppl. because There is a major difference between Jek thai and actual Thai ppl.
I do understand Lao people never talk bad about us.
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 05:26 PM)
There is evidence that Funan invaded our area here and Lower Burma... There had already Brahmin colonies in our area before Funan exist and since Maurya Empire expanding their mission over the Indian Ocean. And who said Brahmin Funan invade other area. We said about Chenla who invade other areas in the name of UNIFICATION. Funan is Pre-Khmer, do you understand what is the meaning of Pre? It means before people there call themselves as Khmer or Khmai or whatever. Do you know how Sailendra dynasty began and how they invaded back Southern Thailand and other part of Islands through Srivijai empire and where did they came? NO?! Will you admit our contribution to Khmer as well in Theravada teaching first? NO?! Khmer was Saivaite Hindus in the first place?! Weird, because the surname Kondanna sound like a sage of Brahman school of thinking?! Any question? Let us know... Thank you...
^^^ lolz your such an idiot dude! How many times do I have tell you that Chenla absorbed the people of Funan and culture along with them and unified both Khmer kingdoms togther to form the Khmer Empire! The way you said Pre-khmer seems like you want to put Khmer people there after the fall of Funan which ain't true! Where's your evidence? What part of that don't you understand! I didn't mention Funan invading other areas you just made that up! The Funan Empire existed wayy before your Brahmin priest entered the southern tip of what is NOW THAILAND! Do actually think Funan came to exist when the Brahmin came lolz! Anothe rthing is! Who, where, what, how, did Chenla came to be? Answer that! Another thing is what were the relationship between Lin-yi, Chenla, and Funan! You seem to ignore my questions that I asked you! Let me know if you have anymore questions!
QUOTE (Indrataka1 @ Oct 27 2009, 05:53 AM)
^^^ lolz your such an idiot dude! How many times do I have tell you that Chenla absorbed the people of Funan and culture along with them and unified both Khmer kingdoms togther to form the Khmer Empire! What part of that don't you understand! I didn't mention Funan invading other areas you just made that up! The Funan Empire existed wayy before your Brahmin priest entered the southern tip of what is NOW THAILAND! Do actually think Funan came to exist when the Brahmin came lolz! Anothe rthing is! Who, where, what, how, did Chenla came to be? Answer that! Another thing is what were the relationship between Lin-yi, Chenla, and Funan! You seem to ignore my questions that I asked you! Let me know if you have anymore questions!
OK, you admit it. Chenla absorbed Funan culture and UNIFIED both of KHMER kingdoms together and later forming a KHMER empire. When did the people there start calling themselves KHMER? If you could help enlight village folks like us? Because we are different from those in Khrungthep and those in the US, we are just modest people. We don't care about Chenla. If Chenla has no relation with us, then we don't care about them.
If Funan began earlier than the oral story, then, what is the tribal or clan (gotra) identification for those in Funan that began a kingdom? Where those Nagas came from? From South China?! From Eastern India?! Is it a kingdom with Arthashastram or just a kingdom that actually in a form of villages and chieftains? How can Khmer today get the civilization like writing system if the Brahmin priests did not enter to the land? You already possess ideogram writing before?
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 05:26 PM)
No need for insecurity in my side. I already had Keralite paternal lineage which also indicate that I'm related to Pallava Civilization of India, it is clearer than those in Cambodia themselves.
There is evidence that Funan invaded our area here and Lower Burma and there isn't only one kingdom with Indian Civilization around 1st C... Langkasuka is the other empire in Southern Thailand and it still alive until now, in both part of Thailand and Malaysia. There were already Brahmin colonies in our area before Funan exist and since Maurya Empire expanding their mission over the Indian Ocean. Go, check for Inscriptions, no need speculations. We emphasize more about Chenla who invade other areas in the name of UNIFICATION and yes, Chenla is of Water and Fire. So, you think, the ethnicity in Chenla and Funan could possibly be the same? Even Cham kingdom too had different ethnicity. Funan is Pre-Khmer, do you understand what is the meaning of Pre? It means before subjects there calling themselves as Khmer or Khmai or whatever and I dunno where did the name Khmer came from. I just know it means "Patient" and it had been told by a Khmer himself and if it is wrong, blame that Khmer guy because giving me false information.
Do you know how Sailendra dynasty began and how they invaded back Southern Thailand and other part of Islands through Srivijai empire and where did they came apart of their base in Southern Sumatera? NO?! Will you admit our contribution to Khmer as well in Theravada teaching first of all? NO?! Khmer was Saivaite Hindus in the first place and since beginning practicing Siva Siddhanta?! Weird, because the surname Kondanna sound like a sage of Brahman school of thinking?! Any question? Let us know... Thank you...
There is evidence that Funan invaded our area here and Lower Burma and there isn't only one kingdom with Indian Civilization around 1st C... Langkasuka is the other empire in Southern Thailand and it still alive until now, in both part of Thailand and Malaysia. There were already Brahmin colonies in our area before Funan exist and since Maurya Empire expanding their mission over the Indian Ocean. Go, check for Inscriptions, no need speculations. We emphasize more about Chenla who invade other areas in the name of UNIFICATION and yes, Chenla is of Water and Fire. So, you think, the ethnicity in Chenla and Funan could possibly be the same? Even Cham kingdom too had different ethnicity. Funan is Pre-Khmer, do you understand what is the meaning of Pre? It means before subjects there calling themselves as Khmer or Khmai or whatever and I dunno where did the name Khmer came from. I just know it means "Patient" and it had been told by a Khmer himself and if it is wrong, blame that Khmer guy because giving me false information.
Do you know how Sailendra dynasty began and how they invaded back Southern Thailand and other part of Islands through Srivijai empire and where did they came apart of their base in Southern Sumatera? NO?! Will you admit our contribution to Khmer as well in Theravada teaching first of all? NO?! Khmer was Saivaite Hindus in the first place and since beginning practicing Siva Siddhanta?! Weird, because the surname Kondanna sound like a sage of Brahman school of thinking?! Any question? Let us know... Thank you...
Again! SONOFAGUN! The Rulers of Funan is Khmer don't you understand that question! It don't matter if the people are mix with khmer, austornesian, indian, pnong, etc!! It's a khmer kingodm! The Chenla kingdom were also khmer from the same family! Again, Funan didn't exist just in the 1st century! It dates back to Pre-classic period! Answer my question! Why did Funan declined! Was it your Pallava Kingdom that attacked our Funan Kingdom first lolz!!
QUOTE (Indrataka1 @ Oct 27 2009, 06:03 AM)
Again! SONOFAGUN! The Rulers of Funan is Khmer don't you understand that question! It don't matter if the people are mix with khmer, austornesian, indian, pnong, etc!! It's a khmer kingodm! The Chenla kingdom were also khmer from the same family! Again, Funan didn't exist just in the 1st century! It dates back to Pre-classic period! Answer my question! Why did Funan declined! Was it your Pallava Kingdom that attacked our Funan Kingdom first lolz!!
It only entering our area here around 6th C, I doubt that it reached Northern-most in Cambodia... Only one state here in Southern Thai-Northern Malaysia worshiping Pallava king but others still with their tribal kings. The reason of Funan declined is more to that internal problem with vassal states. If Pallava had attacked you guys up North, then you guys too should be worshiping Tamil king in 10th C.
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 06:01 PM)
OK, you admit it. Chenla absorbed Funan culture and UNIFIED both of KHMER kingdoms together and later forming a KHMER empire. When did the people there start calling themselves KHMER? If you could help enlight village folks like us? Because we are different from those in Khrungthep and those in the US, we are just modest people. We don't care about Chenla. If Chenla has no relation with us, then we don't care about them.
If Funan began earlier than the oral story, then, what is the tribal or clan (gotra) identification for those in Funan that began a kingdom? Where those Nagas came from? From South China?! From Eastern India?! Is it a kingdom with Arthashastram or just a kingdom that actually in a form of villages and chieftains? How can Khmer today get the civilization like writing system if the Brahmin priests did not enter to the land? You already possess ideogram writing before?
If Funan began earlier than the oral story, then, what is the tribal or clan (gotra) identification for those in Funan that began a kingdom? Where those Nagas came from? From South China?! From Eastern India?! Is it a kingdom with Arthashastram or just a kingdom that actually in a form of villages and chieftains? How can Khmer today get the civilization like writing system if the Brahmin priests did not enter to the land? You already possess ideogram writing before?
Insecure people like SONOFAGUN needs to back off and stop claiming other people's backyard history! If you want toput it that way then how do you Chenla was actually Khmer?? It could be a different group of people! But the latest claim we have on Funan was an inscription that dates to 611 A.D. in Khmer! That time Funan was still intact! What evidence do youhave SONOFAGUN! You seem to ignore my questions so am going to ignore yours!
QUOTE (Indrataka1 @ Oct 27 2009, 06:10 AM)
Insecure people like SONOFAGUN needs to back off and stop claiming other people's backyard history! If you want toput it that way then how do you Chenla was actually Khmer?? It could be a different group of people! But the latest claim we have on Funan was an inscription that dates to 611 A.D. in Khmer! That time Funan was still intact! What evidence do youhave SONOFAGUN! You seem to ignore my questions so am going to ignore yours!
Then, back off from Siam too, it's simple as it is.
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 06:08 PM)
It only entering our area here around 6th C, I doubt that it reached Northern-most in Cambodia... Only one state here in Southern Thai-Northern Malaysia worshiping Pallava king but others still with their tribal kings. The reason of Funan declined is more to that internal problem with vassal states. If Pallava had attacked you guys up North, then you guys too should be worshiping Tamil king in 10th C.
And who were those vassal states! Chenla was one! Mon, Cham, etc... !! It's funny when Funan declined the Mon kingdom started appearing out of no where in the 7th century A.D.!
As what we said, we won't talk about anything not related to us. Chenla is not related to us, it's simple. Khmer is also a nationalistic term like Siamese when you told us that it doesn't matter if the ethnic there is Phnong, Austronesian, or etc. Show what is the content of the inscription and also the transcription. Thank you.
Then later King Suryavarman II took that land back that belongs to us! Then later King Jayavarman VII took it back again!
Somebody can't handle the truth lolz!
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 06:12 PM)
Then, back off from Siam too, it's simple as it is.
Somebody can't handle the truth lolz!
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 06:15 PM)
As what we said, we won't talk about anything not related to us. Chenla is not related to us, it's simple. Khmer is also a nationalistic term like Siamese when you told us that it doesn't matter if the ethnic there is Phnong, Austronesian, or etc. Show what is the content of the inscription and also the transcription. Thank you.
Chenla and Funan ain't related to you guys! Your Bramin Indian priest just influenced us in Hindu and Mahayana Buddhism! The only thing related to you guys would be Srivijayan and Mon Kingdom! The Point of the this is that we have more concrete evidence to back up what belongs to us than your idiotic dream of twisting our ancestors history!
QUOTE (Indrataka1 @ Oct 27 2009, 06:14 AM)
And who were those vassal states! Chenla was one! Mon, Cham, etc... !! It's funny when Funan declined the Mon kingdom started appearing out of no where in the 7th century A.D.!
In the animated map made by a Khmer himself, did he show any evidence that there are Khmer or Cambodian nationals inhabiting there? And why is that Funan empire being marked with red the same with Khmer if Chenla was a vassal around 6 C when Chenla later over rule the Central? It is just like Sukhothai being marked with the same color with Lanchiang.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHAxota5O5c
QUOTE (sonofgunongjerai @ Oct 26 2009, 06:21 PM)
In the animated map made by a Khmer himself, did he show any evidence that there are Khmer or Cambodian nationals inhabiting there? And why is that Funan empire being marked with red the same with Khmer if Chenla was a vassal around 6 C when Chenla later over rule the Central? It is just like Sukhothai being marked with the same color with Lanchiang.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHAxota5O5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHAxota5O5c
Are you dumb! Chenla and Funan and the Khmer empire was mark red because they were the same kingdom! The map wasn't made by a khmer it was made by Australian researchers! Funny how the Mon kingdom began to break away from Funan after the fall of Funan lolz
What were the relationship between Lin-Yi , Chenla, and Funan? How come the Chams were so quiet about this when Chenla absorbed Funan assuming claims that Funan was a malay kingdom by your friend lolz!!!
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