This thread is to quell all those r filipinos really asian rumors

In the dawning of the 1st Millennium C.E., there were already several maritime civilizations existing in the islands but there was no unifying political state encompassing the entire Philippine archipelago. Instead, the region was dotted by numerous semi-autonomous barangays (villages/city-states) under the sovereignty of competing thalassocracies ruled by Datus, Rajahs or Sultans or by upland agricultural societies ruled by petty plutocrats. States: such as the Kingdom of Maynila and Namayan, the Dynasty of Tondo, the Confederation of Madyaas, the Rajahnates of Butuan and Cebu and the sultanates of Maguindanao and Sulu existed alongside the highland societies of the Ifugao and Mangyan.[25][26][27][28] Some of these regions were part of the Malayan empires of Srivijaya, Majapahit and Brunei.[29][30][31]

In the year 900 the Dynasty of Tondo centered in Manila Bay flourished via an active trade with Chinese sea-traders in the area. Later serving as a smuggling nexus after the Chinese imposed restrictions on their foreign trade.[32] During this time, the Lord-Minister, Jayadewa: presented a document of debt forgiveness to Lady Angkatan and her brother Bukah, the children of Namwaran. This is described in the Philippine's oldest known document "The Laguna Copperplate Inscription".[33]


A golden statuette of the Hindu-Buddhist goddess "Kinari".By year 1011 Rajah Sri Bata Shaja, the monarch of the Indianized Rajahnate of Butuan, a martime-state famous for it's goldwork[34] sent a trade envoy under ambassador Likan-shieh to the Chinese Imperial Court demanding equal diplomatic status with other states.[35] The request being approved, opened up direct commercial links with the Rajahnate of Butuan and the Chinese Empire. Thereby diminishing the monopoly on Chinese trade by their rivals: the Dynasty of Tondo and the Champa civilization.[36] Evidence for the existence of this Rajahnate is proven by the "Butuan Silver Paleograph".[37]


By the 11th century several exiled datus of the collapsing empire of the Srivijaya [38] led by Datu Puti led a mass migration to the central islands of the Philippines, fleeing from Rajah Makatunao of the island of Borneo. Upon reaching the island of Panay and purchasing the island from Negrito chieftain Marikudo, they established a confederation of polities and named it the Confederation of Madyaas centered in Aklan and they settled the surrounding islands of the Visayas. This confederation reached it's peak under Datu Padojinog and during his reign the confederations' hegemony extended over most of the islands of Visayas and it's people consistently made piratical attacks against Chinese Imperial shipping.[39]


The flag of the Sulu sultanate.In 1380, Karim ul' Makdum and Shari'ful Hashem Syed Abu Bakr, an Arab trader born in Johore, arrived in Sulu from Malacca and established the Sultanate of Sulu and this Sultanate eventually gained great wealth due to its manufacture of fine pearls.[40] Also, at the end of the 15th Century Shariff Mohammed Kabungsuwan of Johor introduced Islam in the island of Mindanao and he subsequently married princess Parmisuli from Mindanao and established the Sultanate of Maguindanao.[41] Islam had spread to other parts of the Visayas and Luzon by the 16th century.

However, during the reign of Sultan Bolkiah in 1485 to 1521, the Sultanate of Brunei decided to break the Dynasty of Tondo's monopoly in the China trade by attacking Tondo and establishing the state of Selurong (now Manila) as a Bruneian satellite-state.[42][43] A new dynasty under the Islamized Rajah Salila[44] was also established to challenge the House of Lakandula in Tondo.[45] Islam was further strengthened by the arrival to the Philippines by traders and proselytizers from Malaysia and Indonesia.[46]

Has nothing changed ?

where is this from

grabe. ano ba naman yung signature mo, salamat. nakakatakot.... nadistracted tuloy ako.

LOL it was meant for LOLs...didn't know it was scary

Seems lifted from here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines


To thresh out some inconsistencies(various sources have some inconsistencies, that's why):

the above needs to be verified from actual documents, and the source seems to be from a collection of oral traditions now known as the Maragtas legend which certain historians like Willian Henry Scott to quote:

The proper perspective would be if Monteclaro had good intentions is that the Maragtas is a collection of oral traditions and needs verifications from actual documents or reconciling with the actual personae and events recorded. And Madya-as seems like a play of words with Madjapahit. While Maragtas a play of words with the Prince Balagtas of Madjapahit mentioned in the Will of Pansonum, another controversial piece of document. More on Prince Balagtas later.
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The Brunei Sultanate, the Sulu Sultanate, Johore Sultanate and the Malacca Sultanate are coming from the same clan and founded by the same persons or blood relatives, resulting from the intermarriages of the Bisayan or Srivijayan royalties with the Arabs, Hindus and the Chinese.
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Seludong or Saludung or Selurong was not established by Sultan Bolkeiah/Ragam/Raja Baguinda/Gat Lontok of Manila, Maguindanao, Sulu and Brunei. The Majapahitan and the Srivijayans would call the Ancient Kingdom of Lusung or Luzon by that name. Manila was established by Ragam after vanquishing Datu Gambang, the ruler of the Kingdom of Selurong/Luzon(whose eastern capital was Tondo) via his son named Selalila or Soliman I (accdg to the Will of Pansonum). Some source would say that Selalila or Sri Lela or Pengiran Maharaja Lela or Sulaiman I was (W)Ong Sum Ping, a Chinese prince of the Ming dynasty, the Chinese uncle of Sultan Bolkeiah. So, another inconsistency. http://malaysiana1.blogspot.com/2008/04/br...-brudirect.html As some historians would confuse the founding of Manila with Ong Sum Ping, perhaps it should be credited only to the son of Ragam and not to the uncle. So, Selalila and Srilela are two persons and not the same person, the former being the son of Ragam while the latter, the uncle. So, the Will of Pansonum seems more accurate.

http://melayuonline.com/eng/article/read/637

An inconsistency was made by the Muslim Historian Rodil confusing Haring Araw of Borneo as the Madjapahit/Majapahit emperor Angka Widjaya. Because there is another person by the name of Prince Balagtas as the son and not Selalila or Sulaiman I. Accdg to the will of Pansonum, the sister of Sulaiman I by the name of Lady or Dayang Panginoan was the wife of Prince Balagtas. So Prince Balagtas was a brother in law of Soliman I. Another confusion made by the Muslim Historian was the confounding of Pansonum aka Fernando Malang Balagtas as no other than Lakandula. Pansonum was a grandson of Prince Balagtas while Lakandula was a son of Sulaiman I, the brother-in-law of Prince Balagtas. A descendant of Prince Balagtas was credited for the founding of Namayan by the name of Lakan Takhan(Tagean) as the same manner another descendant Malangsik http://us.geocities.com/kapampanganx/s7_1.html founded the towns of Kandaue (Candaba), Purak (Porac), Macabebe, Baba (Lubao), Pinpin (Sta. Ana), Betis, Uaua (Guagua) and Balayan ning Pambuit (Arayat).
There has been a confusion of three kingdoms(city-states) in Manila, i.e Kingdom of Tondo, Kingdom of Manila, and Kingdom of Namayan. So from above, you can see the relationships. the Kingdom of Sapa(Zabag?) is synonymous with the Kingdom of Lusung or Selurung and not with Namayan which is now Sta. Ana. Tondo was a capital of Selurung and not a separate Kingdom. While Manila was a city founded by Ragam with his son, Soliman I.

In the same manner, other historians would confuse Seludong with Manila.
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/7446/Ragam.htm


Saludong, Selurung, and variations of it were mentioned by various historians mostly from Brunei as the Kingdom of Luzon whom Ragam or Nakhoda or Bulkiah invaded. And the same Saludong was mentioned in the Majapahit document Nagarakertagama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagarakertagama

Thus, Selurung or Luzon kingdom had alliance with Majapahit. Well, the intermarriages between Balagtas with Panginoan and before that by his father, Widjaya with Sasaban is proof . http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=204473

Still controversial, if Srivijayan capital is Palembang for in certain Chinese writings, Pa-linfong or Palembang was just a dependency of Sanfotsi which is the other name of Srivijayas. Could it be in later times, the capital was transferred there?
Sanfotsi is the same as what the early Arabs called Zabag. Someone intuited with logical validations, that the original capital of Sanfotsi/Zabag/Srivijaya would be somewhere in the vicinity of the localities mentioned in the Laguna Copperplate insciption (somewhere in the Macabebe-Hagonoy Sabang/Sapa/estuarine areas) or could be one and the same as Ibn battuta's Kingdom of Tawalisi or could be somewhere in the Visayas

That is the reason why the defacto capital area of "luzon area" was changed to Macabebe,after Bolkeiah destroyed the "tondo" dynasty and another area gained more prestige and another family gained power,while Manila area became known to outsiders because of Bolkeiah's dynasty or Soliman Dynasty...

then the defacto capital was moved into manila when the spanish came....

"mainstream filipinos" were called as Lusung or other plethora of exonyms but normally they would call themselves "River People" that is the reason why allot of the "tribal names" meant "River People"....

i still dont think filipinos are asian

why r u always contradicting me...don't u kick it with viets and cambodians???

anzboii is pacific islander.

Of course you have the right to say that. I will not argue with your right. But as for a Filipino like me, and the rest of the 100M Filipinos worldwide, we are Asian. Of course your statement would be rendered useless, but then again, that's your right. It's like saying I have the right to say the Japanese are European due to their Western culture, but then again, they believe they're Asian. Therefore my statement would be deemed useless and worse, stupid.

^hahaha how can someone with a screen name AzNboii say hes not asian...lol

nah fool you trippin. us real pinoys and pinays kno tha deal, we got that spanish blood yafeelme?!?! so that makes us pacific islanders. asian is like chinese or somin.

and nah salamat i kicc it with ilocanos!! from tha 808 state braddah. so that automatically gives me hawaiian blood. so pretty much im a spanish hawaiian mix with a lil bit of filipino.

aloha kakahiaka!!!!

braddah u so akamai

mahalo honey guhl. lol najjiah knows wats good!!!!! maui built raised on spam and rice. body solid and tha bloodlines one hundred so you fakas like scrap get at me. 808 purebred i thought u knew!!

LOL ur from Hawaii??? u know waipahu

waipahu is 99.9 % ilokano, baby. yaaay!!!!

they got Max Chicken over there...but their local filipino restaurants r crap

best local filipino restaurant I have been to in the US was Maymars in VA beach.,..there dinuguan was killer...not to liquidy but not to thick

nigggggggggga fucc no i aint from no hawaii. this asians 100% Visayan warrior. LA to LV baby.