Bakit ba natin pinagkakatiwalaan ang pamantayan nang mga Kanluranin sa pagkilala nang ating katauhan,Ginagamit natin ang pamantayan nang ethnologue,pero sa totoo lang ito ay ginagamit nang mga taga-Balkan para ma-pakita na may karapatan sila na magkahiwa-hiwalay. Naniniwala ako na ang pamantayan na ito ay mali,ang masama ginagamit ito nang mga elitista para paghiwa-hiwalayin ang lahi natin. Oo nga magkaiba na wika ang Bisaya,Tagalog at Ilocano,ang mga uri nang bisaya ay tinuturing na iba't ibang wika din doon sa pampantayan nang ethnologue pero itong uri nang pamantayan na ito ay pag ginamit sa wikang hapon ay magkakahiwalay-hiwalay siya at hindi maituturing na isang wika,ang pagkakaiba nang Pangasinense at Ibaloi ay tulad nang sa Kansai Ben at Tohoku Ben nang wikang hapon gayun din doon sa Cebuano at Hiligaynon. Naniniwala ako na dapat tayo ang kumilalala sa ating sarili at hindi ang manga ibang lahi at tumigil na tayo sa panggagaya nang pamantayan nang manga kanluranin dahil ginagamit ito minsan upang tayo ay apihin.

nag nosebleed ako sa tagalog ni Suzuka

napakamatalinghaga ang iyong tinuran kabayan at hindi ko pa maarok ang buod ng iyong pananalita hanggang sa kasalukuyan.

**palakpakan**

tama ka.

ang galing ni suzuka noh? ang lalim magtagalog.

sarap pakasalan.

suzuka... i love u!!!!!!!

Sobrang lalim naman ang tagolog mo pare, envious ako.
Pero aaminin ko, hindo ko kaya yung sinulat mo kaya english nalang muna ha? lol

We really really need better leaders, i dont think its so much that people want to elect morons into office its just lack of high calibre individuals to choose from.

Need an individual who would put the national interest first For the PEOPLE as in the whole geographic of the Philippines and not just his/her choser few regions.
A Nationalistic individual if you will. We started off in the wrong footing so this doesnt help, being too passive to foreigners does NOT help.
Colonialism still evident into todays Filipino, just look at the multiple identity crisis issues we got going.

The Governments of late have done little or none to contain this cancer within the Filipino communities whether it'd be national or international. Leaving it all to Pacquoi to do lol.
Fear not, all is not lost. We are starting to realize and address the problems. Its a step in the right direction but like i said, if we had a strong solid leader who can again envoke pride into what it is to be Filipino. I think we can be redeemed as a Nation.

doble post, mods paki delete.

wag ako na lang! haha

ah akala ko babae si Suzuka

kase...sabi.. Susu ( . )( . ) ka?


yuck lalaki pala


kaya na-Susuka na ako!

j/k

Babae naman talaga si Suzuka ah.

Hindi babae si Suzuka

ano ba talaga kuya?

transvestite ba?

Finally, Suzuka, you have seen the light. Sana magising na rin ibang mga Pinoy.

Lindsay and those linguist ethnologue freaks are inventing races as there are many languages and dialects. Lindsay true color is pro Aryan, btw. Find it absurd the so called Indian nationalism and the refuting of many Indian scholars of the Aryan Invasion theory.

Before the western colonizers came the distinction culturally and racially between Indonesians, Malaysians and Filipinos was virtually non-existent.

The coming centuries, the in-thing will be towards the Oriental and Feminine way of (W)Holism or the Holistic as opposed to Specializations of Occidental thought or Separatism of Western Way or "Divide and Conquer" which is too Aryan and Masculine.

I find it funny how some of you are so quick to use "nationalism" when it suits your favor. Is it me or he is the very person posting about the BS Luzoncentricism based on internet shenanigans and from wikipedia not too long ago? LOL. Remember how you harped about how great the Kapampangans were compared to the rest?

As for 'gaya sa Kanluranin' (copying the Westerners fro those who don't understand), the truth is the 'gaya' that's profanely shameful is not adopting proven Western ways, it's copying mindlessly the external little things like culture for sake of vanity or like those said by Emerson as "Foolish consistencies" ('the hobglobins of little minds) meaning to adopt merely by look but not understand why etc.

But some of you FOR PURPOSE of projecting your own BS theories (like Taoland WTF), usually harp about not using UNIVERSAL common sense (it's not Western if you have minimum IQ), I mean thinking we are the people of Atlantis, Shambala, and Prester John's great great grandson is just fu-king retarded. I mean $hit you don't even need a Bachelor's of anything for that, nor nationalism to think that's not only fu-king stupid, but in fact a product of Western conspiracy theorism shenanigans.

There are to basically two kinds of people in the world, the STO or Service to Others people and STS or the Service to Self people.

The STS could not see beyond themselves, could not see themselves in others and only see separations are usually prone to ethnic envy or racial hatred for e.g while the STO people see unity in all things. The STO people would say:
-We are all one!


Atlantis, Shamballa etc were in the various scriptures and not just conspiracy theories. They may be mythological but they embody some truths about our distant past some aeons ago.

It would be wrong to assume that those in the esoteric circles, freemasonry, the yogi, the mystics have low IQ. Various esoteric circles including freemasonry of which various founding fathers of various nations including US and the Philippines were members to name a few: George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, our Illustrados like Rizal, del Pilar, etc. It's like saying Rizal has low IQ. It is in the tenets of freemasonry that their wisdom came from some Atlantean for e.g. the Egyptian God, Thoth with his representative Hermes, the acknowledge fountainhead of wisdom of various esoteric circles including freemasonry. You can ask you freemason friends if I am not telling the truth and what I am telling are just conspiracy theories. They are in the extrovert cycle, open to the public to gather more ranks . So, you can verify the info I have given.

For you can't believe in it doesn't assume that it didn't exist. For an atheist who doesn't believe in God, that doesn't mean that God didn't exist.

The string theory in quantum physics is proving about the World beyond or the Fourth dimension or dimensions within dimensions or the Astral Plane
what the mystics have long already known is true.

But I admit that the negative STS who are into occult have many rumor mills spreading Conspiracy theories all over the net linking some truths with some lies to confuse the faithful and the seekers of truth. And again this is not conspiracy theory, as there is an ongoing spiritual battle between various esoteric circles between the negative and the positive. An example would be the Nazi order as belonging to the negative side.

I'll repeat what I've said before:
There should be healthy skepticism on various sources of infos esp. those proliferating in the net. And as much as possible to be critical that those infos stemmed from scientific approaches as much as possible on a very subjective field called History which is, btw, not an exact science, of course, as only Mathematics is. I am not by profession a historian nor an academician. Let's just say, I'm a lover of knowledge and of truth, a theoretician, a speculator or a philosopher. And so I am not trying to put all of these, my opinions, to others as gospel truth but as points against or points for of what others have posted as a form of a reaction to some correct assumptions or otherwise of some glaring errors. So, they are only my opinion for the sake of discussion as we alltogether try to search for the truth. Take it or leave it, it's just my point of view and you have yours and others have theirs as I respect all of their opinion. My method is not the typical way, a true historian concretised their works, but it's like a haphazard chopsuey of infos not as beatifully strung the way Nick Joaquin does as I admit I am just a nobody in this particular field of interests. And my way of validating infos is as as much as possible by the criteria of mathematical model of validating scientific truth which is linear thinking as possible. ( http://www.web-us.com/brain/LRBrain.html ) But also in addition, by intuitive process, non-linear or right brain-thinking or 6th sense, as some form of akashic reading, trance or time travelling . And I am sure Nick Joaquin does the same logical and intuitive approaches in order to synthesize a creative masterpiece, a historical essay such as the one above which he tried at his best to convey his truths and not for the sake of "entertainment" or else he become adjudged as a pathological liar, full of deceit and lies.
But we need to put our trust whether on authority figures, institutions, historical documents or archives if there's lacking a possible way for a scientific anthropological approach or else then we have to discredit 90 percent of historical data and history books published up to date including the gospels themselves. And I put my trust on Nick Joaquin, Pol Kekai Manansala, Tome Pires, Miguel de Loarca, Pigafetta among others for their scholarly or tireless works but never without a healthy dose of skepticism but hopefully, they did their best to be as objective as possible within their own means. No matter, if their works have some few factual errors or glaring errors. They are or were still Human after all.
Btw, regarding Nick Joaquin's essays, they were historical essays and not fictional works like his novels, for e.g. 'May day's eve', where artistic license is full abandon. But still truths is still being conveyed whether he writes novels or historical essays or historical interpretations such as the books he published like the 'Aquinos of Tarlac' etc. Historical Essay must be grounded on facts though it may have some factual errors or inaccuracies or it will be relegated only as a fable, a myth, fictional. These historical essays must have semblance of or nearer to the Absolute truth as much as possible. As seekers of truths, the writers put their name or dignity on the line to give as much as possible balanced opinions, validated infos and objectivity. But as there are human frailties and failings, they can only come as closer only to Relative truths.
We should put those reinterpretations of history with a grain of salt, as they may be just a reinterpretation of 3rd or 4th handed infos. That's why I am leery or wary for e.g. of those Marcos books especially published by outsiders though the authors may be true blue academicians but have their source of infos from nth handed materials with an obvious end to smear the man and thus lack objectivity and validity in the process.
I would rather trust the truths and insights of the masters, gurus and purveyours of wisdom, though they may not have multiple degrees from reputable universities or their works may have some factual errors and they may have arrived with their conclusions not only through the usual scientific validations, deductive and inductive reasoning or through the use of instrumentations for making calculations or statistical analyses with the use of some high end supercomputer but by simple direct knowledge or "Gnosis".
Btw, nice insights as well.

Namaste to all!
We are all one!
Dont stick to the illusion that we are separate from each other!

Most people who are atheist really do think that theist are not very smart nor logical. As for freemasonry, most freemasons don't really believe the occult...they are in there for the brotherhood, and the symbolism they have on their 'beliefs' are simply symbolism often which they use to elevate social and governmental theories (eg democracy and equality in US with which the all seeing eye of God is symbol of--including emancipation). The gods and goddesses, the compass, etc. are symbols of the freemasonry--KNOWLEDGE, THE PURSUIT OF, ETC.--but the DID NOT believe in it LITERALLY. As for Ben Franklin, Jefferson etc. they aren't 'freemasons' as in believers of some Freemason God (as I stated above) nor Thoth, or any other gods---they were deist, which is a step up to atheism and agnosticism.

And once again there is a DIFFERENCE between certain beliefs. Just because certain two theories are invalidated doesn't mean that conjecture of them being wrong is SAME. No no There is a difference between believing in whether the dinosaurs had feathers or not at one point, how much feathers, what colors, and which dinosaurs had them, than believing whether Cyprus was made out of the foam which the Greek goddess of beauty, Aphrodite, came from. There is a difference between proving Einsteins theory that if we can open up little bubbles using infinite energy that we can travel back a few seconds into the past via his other mathematical and physical theories, than believing that Filipinos were borne from a mythical continent that was in the Atlantic ocean which such technology TWICE earlier before man even started farming and domesticating animals, built with like a gigantic city with precious metals that does not exist (in shenanigan alchemy maybe lol) which was destroyed because of flood and almost instantly, a whole island continent vanished in the Atlantic ocean where few seismic activities are known. (Things I didn't include: ruled by 5 sets of sibling twins born from the Greek god of the Ocean Poseidon lol)

And of the scriptures...yeah it was expoused by Socrates (via Plato) and all of the writings came and based it from the Plato's Republic. lol. ONE AND ONLY SOURCE. I've read the Republic several times, and I can tell you that the Atlantis story is an analogy to Socrates' dream republic, and somewhat the example of its demise (soon after if you're read Thucydides' Peloponessian War, you'd know that 'Atlantis' of Plato have so much in common with the Athens of the Delian League). In many times in the Republic, and in no way do I believe Plato is stupid. THE ONLY STUPID PEOPLE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DID READ INTO THIS AND CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN HIS WRITINGS, these are the people with low IQ.

"It is only in modern times that people have taken the Atlantis story seriously; no one did so in antiquity". Alan Cameron, Greek Mythography in the Roman World, Oxford University Press (2004) p. 124 (from Wikipedia)

If you can't tell the difference between understanding whether or not it's the same in theoretical value, then they really have small IQ. IT'S NOT WESTERN, IT'S COMMON SENSE. Filipinos are smart people and they can tell maybe from $hit.

Only stupid Filipinos can be swayed using nationalism into believing shenanigans. We Filipinos have myths, they are part of our culture, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT MYTHS ARE MYTHS, and they are often used by our ancestors to epitomized what they couldn't understand into something that they could in manners of their own imagination. But they remain as myths and sagas and legends...and nothing more.

How did you know that freemasons don't believe in the occult? Are you a member of an esoteric circle yourself? You base your findings on what is according to your truths and have no actual validations by inquiring a freemason yourself. Obviously, you have only scratched a surface about Freemasonry or Gnosticism.

Myths are myths but they contain truths. You need the key to unlock its secrets and to unleash its power. An initiation to the sacred mysteries will help one realize the truths hidden on various symbologies, myths, fables, fairy tales, etc.

How? I got a freemason family that live down the street, yeah a real one they even have a license plate stating to the whole world of their freemason background from way back. I had a conversation with them of course the son told me of their belief, they are sorta like Christians but freemasonry is like an addendum (much like early freemasons, and American deist) but nowhere did he tell me he actually believe that they believed the god Thoth, with a bird's head, walked around and helped Isis to locate Osiris' penis from the Nile. They're symbolisms! As for others, maybe, they might have believe in the occult, in fact some of them might be brilliant, but really ask yourself this, if I was as brilliant as Einstein, but one day I told you that I really believe in the occult that one can eat by shoving food down one's @$$ and $hit it out through one's mouth, ... yeah you would still think I'm a genius, but nonetheless a jackass.

And yes there are 'truths' in myths...but they are analogies, euphemisms, symbolism of something imagined or real, ideological or scientific, BUT NEVER LITERAL. I write a lot of poems and in my poems I write using figures of speech, but I never mean that flowers can speak literally or that hearts can really burn with literal fire inside. They're analogies whether based on myths or simple analogies made up on the spot, to convey meanings from the mundane word to add emotions.

What differentiate from animals from humans is not so much logic and reason, but colorful imagination...however what differentiate people that I would consider smart and those that are simply retarded is knowing when imagination ends and when literal begins and which can tell each apart.

Yes, they are no different from Christianity but they go beyond the basic tenets of exoteric religions. They believe in the universality of religions. We can sense if someone is a seeker of truth. We can differentiate a purely intellectual from a wise from the one way speaks, acts, and from the aura that they project. They might find you an intellectual but not a flock with the same feather to get intimate with their occult knowledge.

You are watching too much Stargate films. As I have said, they study the esoterics of all religions.

As I have said they were symbologies. You didn't even know the meaning of occult. How can you say they don't believe in the occul. Occult means hidden knowledge and not conspiracy with evil powers as most would have tought.

We didnt force our beliefs to anyone especially someone who is not ripe for these kind of things. Is useless to argue with non-professionals like you.

Who said they are ever LITERAL. Your grasp of symbolism is stil elementary. You have barely scratched the surface.

Agree. Nothing to argue on basic concepts, any logical person would not argue that there is life, about truth, etc.

Now you're just dodging the question the truth is you've written too much about theories like Atlantis, Shambala, Prester John and how we're all related to that. The fact that you've tried historical in MANY of your threads to link us historically (LITERALLY) with these myths FROM elsewhere and what not and you tell me my grasp of "symbolism is elementary"?

The fact that you once told me that I think too "Western" because I call all these $hit shenanigans is the example of why I wrote this first post in this thread.

And once again the Einsteins theory of relativity is not the same as trying to prove how Atlanteans are Filipinos.

Judging from your answers so far, I said yes but you are getting near. But I can say you are from a different mold and have a greater potential, an elite.

The theory of relativity is still a weak theory btw the String theory is the one I am alluding. And scientists are still looking for the Unified theory to explain all things. The String theory can explain the stuff known only to the initiates, keepers of secrets, yogis, mystics and saints about the 4th dimension, the World beyond or the Afterlife.

Western concepts is not a bad thing either. It's the perfect marriage of both sides, both logical and the intuitive, the linear and the non-linear, symbolic and concrete processing that will make a Human in its ideal state which the ancients called Samadhi, Nirvana, Enlightenment, potential for Siddhis, Cosmic consciousness etc.

Atlantis, Lemuria, Shamballa are stuff of legends and various sacred scriptures steeped with many symbolical analogies and thus have deeper meanings and can have a terrestial, cosmic, sociological, historical, cultural, astral or emotional, etheric and spiritual correspondences and analogies. Going deeper to this stuff requires dissociating from the Hollywood stuff of our perceived notions of these things.

Well you know what man we're going in circles I think I made my point I don't have much time I got to run in a short. But have a good day and if you're reading this, just read my first post it's the only thing that really matters.