I have to admit, I, like the majority of Khon Lao know very little about the Hmong.

The Hmong been living in the Laos for the past 200-300, but there is little contact between them and ethnic Lao people. This is probably due to the fact the Hmong prefer living high up in the mountains or the fact they rather keep amongst themselves.

Anyway, what's interesting is the Hmong claim to be natives of Laos. I find it rather...well, amusing. I mean, even we as Khon Lao with our own established nation never claim to be natives. So for the Hmong to make such claim is pretty bold.

So this brings me to the next question, are the Hmongs really our Friend or Foe?

Are the Hmongs really fighting against an oppressive Communist Lao government or is it really a smoke screen for something bigger.

If you guys haven't already seen this, you might want to take a look------> http://www.pantribalconfederacy.com/pdf/hmong.pdf

Does Lao Khao vs Lao Deng remind us of what occurred in the past 300? Lao royals fighting amongst themselves and look what happened to Lanxang as a result? History could possibly repeat itself again here.

Generally speaking another ethnicity doesn't want to be ruled by other beside their own kind.

Many Hmong were fighting along side Pathet Laos, while other on the Royal Laos government. They were caught between and trying their best to be on the winner side.

Survival skills.

Sorry I can't access that link! Can someone tell me what it is?

Yes I already know about this issue. But then again I won't biitch about it in here unless a "Hmong" person is trolling or being immature about this topic. Other then that I won't talk about this since it is sensitive to the hmong well being and Tutorboy.

But I'll be watching that traitor.

Are you on crack or something? Hmongs only claim China as their land of origin. Does CHINA sound Like LAOS to you? Not one bit. Are you a troll?

Where is this source that you speak of boastfully?


Plus, they fought along side the Pathet lao and Royal Lao during the Vietnam war era. Doesn' thier contribution make them Lao citizens?


Ever heard of the Pathet Lao battlion Krom PaChay? Yes, a Communist Hmong battlion with Pathet Lao.

Omg, are you serious? ahahahahah I laughed at the link. Lanxang, you try so hard to make it seems like we Hmong care so much about Laos. No we don't.

First thing first, during the French rules or when none of us were even born yet, land were divided based on ethnic groups. The Hmong live in isolation from the Laos. Some land were owned by some Hmong. It can be said that some land in the lowland were properties of certains Lao families. You Laos have always been living inland while Hmong and other minority groups live in the outskirt of Laos.



Seriously, good grace heaven sake.

No one is trying to steal Laos. ahahaha

You love to find things to make fun of us Lanxang. We all know your agendas.
You want us Hmong attentions.

Maybe we should have different states like in Burma.

I think Lanxang is trying to accuse the Hmong Chao Fa as a messianic group and yes, they are. But as aforementioned by Tutorboy the Lao Loun lived in the lowlands and the Lao Soungs lived in the highlands. They fought for the highlands. If not, Sam Neu and XiengKhoung along with Phong Sali would had been Vietnamese provinces by now.

I think the Chinese are already pushing the Hmong southward or moving into Vientiane from what I heard. This is also a time when the Hmong ethnic join the rest of the civilization among the Laotian people in Laos. But we have to remember that Hmong are apart of Laos, which the Laotian government claim long time ago and now. But we already know they always deny they are not apart of Laos have nothing to do with Laos just like for example tutorboy comments and the rest of his view is a negative flawed toward the Laotian and it makes some of us miss-trust the Hmong in general.

No, the Hmong living in Laos right now, those from Xiengkhoang, Luang Prabang, Vientiane, and etc.. they are proud Laos citizens. You have to remember, as Hmong overseas, majority do not care about Laos anymore.

The newer generations barely talk about Laos, some don't even know what where is Laos or have no clues about Laos.

Don't be ridiculous.
I don't have any negative view toward the Laotians. You think I do, but I don't.

It's Lanxang who kept making these nonsense threads, as if he doesn't know what is the differences between COMPARING and CLAIMING.

The Hmong already joined civilization long ago. They were helping the Japanese, Vietnamese, French and etc.. way before the Vietnam War.

See, you Laos love to think that we Hmong are so primitive. This is why we have all these nonsense, because you guys think you know about us, but you guys don't. Lanxang created this thread just to get our attentions. You want Thai attentions, now you want our attentions?

Lanxang makes it seems like the land really belong to them, which the answer is NO.
What is this name Lanxang? it's a name by the Laos people, what about the Khmu (Mab Daub)? What did they called the land?
What about the Lahu (Bu Tur)? What about the Mab Qub? the last naked tribesmen that live in isolated forests in Laos?
What do they called the land?

Lanxang is a name used by the Laos, it doesn't mean that the land belong to the Laos. You perceived it as your land, so you claim it.
It can be claimed by other ethnic groups as well.

The land were once owned by the Khmer speaking people, but there are lots of Mon-Khmer speaking people in Laos. The largest is the Khmu. They have the right to claim the land. Probably, the word LANXANG to them is probably only a wet-dream.

We're not natives to Laos, yet you're not native to Laos, which means the word Laos only existed during the FRENCH, when they recognized the country by the dominant lowland people. Khmu should be considered the rightful owners of Laos.

Laos, today as a country is controlled by the gov't. The Laos people only live in certain areas of the country. The country is name Laos, but not owned by every Laos.

Tutorboy from what I remember you and some of your Hmong friend interfere with us in Thai and Lao chat first. Maybe you guys should just ignore our comments between the two chat nexts time?

You can't access PDF file?

Here's another link to what's covered in the PDF http://newsblaze.com/story/200801151201020...w/topstory.html

Call For The Creation Of A Hmong State - Partition Laos, Issued by Congress of World Hmong People

I don't think China and Vietnam going to agree with this petition since it is threat to them and to many other ethnic.

Interfere? ahahah please. It was Lanxang. You interfere first, calling us terrorists and etc...
Maybe you guys should stop talking about us from the first place. Look at this thread. Who made it?

Do you see me making any threads about LAOS PEOPLE? Look at Thai Chat?
We have the rights to comment because this is what forums about; however, some people just love to see ethnic fights, like Lanxang.

Hmong people really don't care about Laos.

You guys don't even know the issues in Laos, the real behind the secret war in Laos. You guys have no ideas.
You guys are Laotian refugees, who parents fled during the wars, because of the bombing and etc.... but in reality, you guys really have no clues what going on. You guys think you guys do, but you don't.

WE WANT A HMONG STATE AND WE WANT IT NOW!!!!! did I answer your thread's question?

I agree with this statement. We all know that Miao and Tai people were once at the Yangtze River. I think these Lao people don't know their history.

Why don't you tell us about Laos and the secret war? And I taught you said Hmong don't care about Laos?

Then China doesn't belong to the Chinese because its home to other ethnic groups. California doesn't belong to the United States because it was once Mexico.

The point is, some of your people is trying to create their own State at our expense.

First of all, the war in Laos stem from the French-Indo War. After the French-Indo War, some Hmong were appointed to the Laotian cabinets by the Royal Laotian Families........ it started from there.

You don't know about our history or what we did in Laos. Some of our people helped drove the Japanese out of Laos and northern Vietnam. YET YET YET, you only hear the Vietnamese and Lao people saying that it were them doing it... ahahahah please.

THE NUNG(ZHUANG) and HMONG of northern Vietnam were the reason to why the Japanese fled Northern Vietnam. It was also the Hmong that fought with the French in Laos that made them resigned.

You have no ideas. The Laotian Royal families have appointed many Hmong in their gov't. It was only during the Vietnam War, that when the Royal laotian families were assassinated, the Hmong cabinets were no longer there. Now, it's the Vietnamese and Laos people who dominated the gov't today in Laos.

You don't know the history of Laos during the French War in Indochina. Hmong were a huge part of it. That's why when the American CIA came, the French recommended the Hmong people, because we fought against the Japanese along side the French and they believe that we as Hmong would do the same to the American and we did.

Don't forget about the Hmongs that helped Ho Chi Minh at Dien Bien Phu. Drove out the French.

And don't forget the Pathet Lao battlion Krom PaChay. Pa Chai is a Hmong from Vietnam. He's a symbolic figure against IMPERIALISM.

I think Hmongs contributed their share for Indochina considering that 1/3 of thier population was gone after the Vietnam war.

The (Bai-Yue) or southern natives by the Chinese resided in the provinces of Guangdong, Guangxi, and some part of Yunnan. Some Yue migrated inland, which formed today Dong and Bouyei that went further north into the Hmong/Miao regions, including the Bo (extinct Yue) that fully assimilated themselves into the Hmong/Miao culture.

The Miao are actually the people resided along the Yangtze River including some ancient Yue tribes.

The term "TAI" is used by some Yue groups, but not all Yue groups called themselves Tai. The word "Tai" is mainly used by the DAI and ZHUANG PEOPLE.

THE MIAO live along the Yangtze. The Nanman live along the southwest regions under the Yangtze and the Yue live along the southeast regions. The word YUE came into existent during the Han Dynasty. During the Hmong's Chu state, the people of the south were called "NANMAN."

So not all Bai-Yue people are Tai-kadai speaking people?

The Hmong that helped the Communism were fooled and duke.
The Vietnamese-Cong promised the Hmong that they would get a piece of the pie, which is why some of the Hmong, especially from Samneua took the Pathet side. They betrayed and believe that they'll get a piece of the pie when the royal family is overthrown.

What happens? The land was controlled by the Vietnamese and Laos. The Hmong from Samneua were lied to help fight against the Hmong Independence Group known as the (SA-TU), which later became known as today "CHAO-FA" which to fight for the Royal Laotian Families.

This is why they called themselves "CHAO-FA" because they were to help serve the Royal Laotian Families.

Laos people have no idea about all these stuff, because they simply don't. That's why King Sisavong Vatthana appointed many Hmong and respected the Hmong people. He saw that we helped the Laos pushed out the Japanese and French.

Unlike "MIAO" it refers to the ancient people that share a very strong historical journey. It also refers to the people under Chiyou, descendants of Chiyou and the later San Miao people of the Yangtze. All Miao groups share very similar customs, religions, history and oral traditions. This is why, the Hmong today are know as Miao, because all Miao groups history are all connected.

The people of WU BAI YUE are known as XONGB (Ghao Xiong). There are no Hmong living in Hunan, yet why do our elders carried the stories of WU BAI YUE (VUE PA YIA)? There is a dot to dot connection, to what being MIAO is.

Unlike the Yue, it was composed of many different ethnic groups just like the Lolo (Nanman).
Very different in terms of cultures and etc.. no historical and cultural connections, just regional.

Not are Yue are Tai. Some Yue were Vietnamese.
The ancient OU YUE became the Vietnamese, which is why they are known as the children of OU-YUE (AU LAC).

So those Hmong from Sam Neua were with Lo Fay Dang eh? Your communist cousins.

I always thought Chao-Fa were against the Pathet lao and not against the Royalist.

No Miao in Hunan? You sure about that? The last time i checked there were MIao people living in Hunan.

So yue people weren't really connected. Okay understand now.

Yes, most of my communist cousins are from LO FAY DANG. Not blood cousins, but distance cousins.

CHAO-FA were against the PATHET LAOS. CHAO-FA means KING in Laos.
The Hmong Satu (independent) later became the "Chao-fa" which were to help protect Laos and the Royal Laotian Families.

King Sisavong appointed many Hmong because of the Hmong effective in fighting against the Japanese and French.
The Hmong were good fighters. We have been around for 5000 years. We survived the genocide policies by various Chinese Dynasties.

We survived when we entered Northern Vietnam and Laos. Prior to the French_Indo War, the Hmong fought heavily with the Tai-Lue in Northern Vietnam and the Khmu in Laos.

Nooo, all Miao groups called themselves by various names; however, the Miao group in HUNAN called themselves "XONGB" or XIONG, not HMONG. Many with the surname WU, because they are people under WU BA YUE (Vue Pa Yia).

They don't called themselves "Hmong."

The thing is, why do our ancestors (great grandparents, grandparents and parents) talked about VUE PA YIA??? it simply mean we Hmong stem from them; however, we kept the ancient name "HMONG" while the Hmong in Hunan changed their ethnic identity to Xiongb.

Do you see the connection? We as Hmong still talk of the many events that happened up NORTH to the SOUTH. The Miao in Hunan are greatly sinicized.

yes i've heard of Vue Pa Yia.

So the miao (Xiongb) from Hunan are greatly sinicized and does that include being totally assimilated? I heard they are more genetically closer to NE Asians rather than SE Asians compared to the Miaos from Yunnan and other provinces. That is, their distribution of lineages are more from the north.

Also, does the Hmongs with the surname Vue from SEA have any connection to those Vue from Hunan?

When did Lao chat become Miao chat? and Miao history in Laos? What a doochbeg

We were waiting for the replies from the Lao people but none so far and so gotta kill time right?

Not assimilated, but more like acculturating.
Yes, they are more closer to Northeast Asian in term of DNA, but then again, most of them look like us. The strong Hmong physical features are present in them. They have less Yue blood in them.

Yes, I don't know about the surname, but in Hmong culture, we would see one another as relatives because of the same surnames.


@LiaoFYHUN,
you wanted to know history and how we Hmong got involved in the war.
we fought for the king and the freedom of Laos.

You don't know that, because you Laos were never active in your own country.

XIANGXI MIAO (HUNAN)

They look Hmong to me, although I do have to agree that some of them look extremely Northeast Asian.

Well guess what, the war in Laos been over since 1975. So why are the Hmong still causing trouble? A Lao guy from the States was killed visiting the motherland. He got snipped by some Mountain Terrorist.

You don't like the name Meo/Miao so why are you always referring to Hmong people as Miao/Meo?

Miao is NOT the same as MEO. Go ask them black people in America about the N word "negro" and "N*gga". HUGE difference.

Dude, we're typing in the English language. In the Lao written language, do you honestly think that Miao and Meo are two different words? That's like someone typing "Khop Jai" versus "Khorb Jai" for the same word. Different ways to spell the same word.

JING and JEK are not the same.

Why? because when you Laos want to get us mad, you use "MEO" to get our attentions, even knowing that we prefer HMONG.
When we see Laos, we don't use the name "Blow" as referring to Laos.

Don't try to act like you guys don't know what you're saying. Lanxang knows clearly. Savan, I know where you're trying to get across, but this post is directly in response to LANXANG and his arrogance and ignorance.

MIAO =/= MEO
JING =/= JEK
NEGRO =/= N IGGER

Look dude, how many times do we have to tell you that the word Miao/Meo in our language does not mean Wandering Cat or whatever you guys think. The word Miao/Miao is just a word we adopted from the Chinese. You guys are known as Miao in China.

Blow people should learn how to recognize the difference between a derogatory word and an original word.

I think you ARE indeed on crack. Only the people born in Laos call Laos home.. but then those people, the OGs, do acknowledge China as their ancient, ancestral home where they established their fist kingdom that lasted several generations.
I'm talking about Hmong-American OGs. Those born in Lao of course will call it their home and their land. But then again, all Hmong people know China was where they came from. Oral history trace back to China and Hmong still sing songs about China as being the Hmong homeland.


Only to Lao people and other SEA (including Hmong living there and born there) do we not like to refer ourselves as Meo. Why is that? Those are the people who have added a racist definition to the term. As for others, we understand it as only a group of ethnicity, nothing racist or derogatory.

Thank goodness the revolutionaries expelled the thieves (Lao Royal Family and all their allies including the anti-communist Hmong), otherwise the Northern part of Laos would have become a Hmong state. No lie.

Well guess what? You should learn to grasp the following:

MEO/MIAO = is NOT an original Lao word.

^so why are you BLAMING Lao people if you think it's a derogatory word? WE GOT THAT WORD FROM THE CHINESE!!!! LOL! You're okay with the Chinese calling you Miao/Meo, but you'd go crazy if a Lao/Thai person used that word? A bit unfair, eh?

Again, Meo/Miao has no other meaning but Hmong in our language.

Complaining about "Miao/Meo" is like saying "American" is a derogatory word just because some people in the Middle East may not like the U.S.

Add the Lao word "buk" to "Miao/Meo" if you want to make it derogatory...i.e. buk Miao/Meo!....but saying "khon Miao/Meo" is not derogatory...it's just an ethnic name.

Do you guys have actual evidence of a "Hmong Kingdom" in ancient China? Or is it just a bunch of folklore/myth?

It is not how the word is said or how it's spelled. IT IS THE MEANING ONE GIVES THE WORD. That is why it's offensive. GEESH, get it through your heads!
Doing an OKAY sign with your finger is common in the US but doing an OKAY sign in France is from what I remember, a very bad thing (like the middle finger).

Miao and Meo pronounce the same to me.

When chinese use it, no problem, when Lao use it, it becomes a problem. Chinese lover.

Miao came from the Chinese people refering to you Hmong. So stop complaining and pointing at the Lao people for calling you Miao, which mean the same way as Miao in term from the Chinese. And I even talk about this term Miao to some Hmong and some hmong are delusional and offended especially those American born Hmong! But if you go to Laos or China or any where in Asia you are called Miao from your old enemy the Chinese.

That is because they can't do nothing about it if a Chinese calling them Miao.

From what I heard Blow in hmong mean something nagative towards the Laotian. If you Laotian hear something like"Blow" or "Bleu" it is racist and discriminated against Laotian.

Your right you Hmong dont no Shiiite about Laos or Lao ppl Laos is merely a representation of Lanxang, All original kingdoms are represented by Laos, only parts of it have been separated from the whole in resent history. ALL ppl who lived under the white parasol live under Lanxang and the King of Lanxang. Everyone that lived under the white parasol are the children of the King of Lanxang, It is the king of Lanxang that protected the ppl and kept them safe, the land stopped being the land of the Khmu when the Lao Conquered them as well as the land over 1300 years ago.

We were the rulers and Kings of Northern Laos and Northern Thailand when the Siamese were only Mon ppl. when Sukothai and Ayuthaya did not exist and that area was ruled just by the Mon and Khmer ppl.

We are the Natives of Laos Lanxang, or Lao Loungprabang,Lao Chiangsean, Lao Xiengkhouang, and Lao Viengchan, Yes we are not Indigenous to Southeast Asia but are natives, i think someone made that distinction on another thread.

The Lao have been Natives of Laos for over 1300 years when we conquered the Northern portions of Laos and Thailand, we have been the rulers of Laos for well over a millennium, As the majority group and the group that is in charged, we set the guidelines, we welcome the Hmong into our lands, when the Lao settled in the lowlands the Khmu were forced to settle in the mountains, we did not seek to rid them from our lands but made them apart of our Kingdom. Just as the Hmong, we did not seek to rid the Hmong but welcomed them into our lands.

the word Lanxang is what kept the ppl safe from Burmese invasions and Vietnamese invasions throughout the centuries, Lanxang never took ppl as slaves but made men free, thats why Lanxang was so strong and the ppl loved our King.