The heavy KMT's military forces couples with US 's help, it was able to fend off China so far.
If without those forces there, the island of taiwan wouldn't able to stand up China's undertaking in 1950s.
Taiwan as of today, largely due to KMT forces. There wouldn't be DPP to speak off if by themselves.
If only KMT fled elsewhere, central asia, burma, hainan ...etc the situation would be totally different.
The only blemish in Mao's strategy was not cut off the escape route on the eastern side. Had they done that, KMT wouldn't be able to escape eastern side and there wouldn't be taiwan case as we seeing today.
And your point is.....?
Wrong , absolutely wrong.
The communists was trying to catch the kmt in 1949. The kmt should of ran to vietnam or Thailand. The communist would of chased them there and destroyed the kmt. It was the island of Taiwan which saved the kmt's miserable pathetic lives.
In all of China's 5000 years history. China was never interested in Taiwan, and never tried to hassel Taiwan at all. In fact during Mao's speeches, he wanted to help korea and Taiwan become independent.
When japan invaded Taiwan in WWII. The americans helped Taiwan become indpendent by bombing the japanese military outposts in Taiwan. Either way, the Americans would of helped Taiwan regardless.
The kmt had no where left to go, and had to escape to Taiwan because the ocean was the only barrier to slow the commies chasing them. And it is because the kmt is in Taiwan now, that is why the communists is so desperate to reclaim their people (kmt) back. The kmt is the AIDS virus that came to Taiwan and would not leave.
The communists was trying to catch the kmt in 1949. The kmt should of ran to vietnam or Thailand. The communist would of chased them there and destroyed the kmt. It was the island of Taiwan which saved the kmt's miserable pathetic lives.
In all of China's 5000 years history. China was never interested in Taiwan, and never tried to hassel Taiwan at all. In fact during Mao's speeches, he wanted to help korea and Taiwan become independent.
When japan invaded Taiwan in WWII. The americans helped Taiwan become indpendent by bombing the japanese military outposts in Taiwan. Either way, the Americans would of helped Taiwan regardless.
The kmt had no where left to go, and had to escape to Taiwan because the ocean was the only barrier to slow the commies chasing them. And it is because the kmt is in Taiwan now, that is why the communists is so desperate to reclaim their people (kmt) back. The kmt is the AIDS virus that came to Taiwan and would not leave.
QUOTE (sunt @ Nov 3 2009, 03:28 PM) 
Wrong , absolutely wrong.
The communists was trying to catch the kmt in 1949. The kmt should of ran to vietnam or Thailand. The communist would of chased them there and destroyed the kmt. It was the island of Taiwan which saved the kmt's miserable pathetic lives.
In all of China's 5000 years history. China was never interested in Taiwan, and never tried to hassel Taiwan at all. In fact during Mao's speeches, he wanted to help korea and Taiwan become independent.
When japan invaded Taiwan in WWII. The americans helped Taiwan become indpendent by bombing the japanese military outposts in Taiwan. Either way, the Americans would of helped Taiwan regardless.
The kmt had no where left to go, and had to escape to Taiwan because the ocean was the only barrier to slow the commies chasing them. And it is because the kmt is in Taiwan now, that is why the communists is so desperate to reclaim their people (kmt) back. The kmt is the AIDS virus that came to Taiwan and would not leave.
The communists was trying to catch the kmt in 1949. The kmt should of ran to vietnam or Thailand. The communist would of chased them there and destroyed the kmt. It was the island of Taiwan which saved the kmt's miserable pathetic lives.
In all of China's 5000 years history. China was never interested in Taiwan, and never tried to hassel Taiwan at all. In fact during Mao's speeches, he wanted to help korea and Taiwan become independent.
When japan invaded Taiwan in WWII. The americans helped Taiwan become indpendent by bombing the japanese military outposts in Taiwan. Either way, the Americans would of helped Taiwan regardless.
The kmt had no where left to go, and had to escape to Taiwan because the ocean was the only barrier to slow the commies chasing them. And it is because the kmt is in Taiwan now, that is why the communists is so desperate to reclaim their people (kmt) back. The kmt is the AIDS virus that came to Taiwan and would not leave.
I believe Mao was determined to take taiwan if he got the chance.
US is helping KMT, not taiwan. If KMT ran elsewhere, US won't help Taiwan. Remember generalisimmo Chang Kai Shek and Madamme Chang were close to US government.
false
QUOTE (sinowarrior @ Nov 3 2009, 09:26 PM)
I believe Mao was determined to take taiwan if he got the chance.
US is helping KMT, not taiwan. If KMT ran elsewhere, US won't help Taiwan. Remember generalisimmo Chang Kai Shek and Madamme Chang were close to US government.
US is helping KMT, not taiwan. If KMT ran elsewhere, US won't help Taiwan. Remember generalisimmo Chang Kai Shek and Madamme Chang were close to US government.
From the history books:
An interesting anecdote from the 1930s needs to be mentioned here: At that time the Chinese Communists under Mao Tse-tung were vying for control over China with Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists. In an interview with American reporter Edgar Snow, Chairman Mao said: "...we will extend them (the Koreans) our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies for Taiwan" (p. 110 in Red Star over China, by Edgar Snow).
The USA during WWII, was trying to get rid of the Japanese in all Asian islands from guam, phillippines, to koreas, china, and all the rest of the 1000 islands in the pacific. Island by island the US will remove the japanese. It has nothing to do with helping kmt. You are SADLY mistaken.
Furthermore, the people of Mainland china choose communist rather than the AIDS (kmt). the AIDS (kmt) has no where to go, if they went to vietnam or thailand, ccp would of wiped them all out. They had to go hid like cowards in Taiwan separated by the ocean to escape from the ccp.
Taiwan was returned (some would say given) to the ROC because the KMT was allied with the Allies in World War II. If this wasn't the case, Taiwan would simply have become an American protectorate, in all likelihood. Mao was certainly in no condition to make demands at the end of the Chinese Civil War - the CCP was too preoccupied with solidifying their base in China.
As for eventualities... That depends on how interested China is in becoming a maritime power. Traditionally, the reason places like Taiwan were not integrated into China was because Chinese rulers cared little for overseas colonies. China was a continental power and expanded by land, not sea. This is why it took so long for Taiwan to be colonized by Chinese settlers, even though China had the capability early on.
Regardless, I sense that there has always been a will to rule "All Under Heaven" in Chinese political culture, and once Taiwan enters into the picture as a part of "All Under Heaven," it becomes a target for future empire builders in China.
As for eventualities... That depends on how interested China is in becoming a maritime power. Traditionally, the reason places like Taiwan were not integrated into China was because Chinese rulers cared little for overseas colonies. China was a continental power and expanded by land, not sea. This is why it took so long for Taiwan to be colonized by Chinese settlers, even though China had the capability early on.
Regardless, I sense that there has always been a will to rule "All Under Heaven" in Chinese political culture, and once Taiwan enters into the picture as a part of "All Under Heaven," it becomes a target for future empire builders in China.
The thing is , the AIDS kmt stole all the gold , money , and chinese cultural artifacts. This made the Chinese people in China lose face. Of course, the mainlanders want it back. The AIDS kmt escaped to hid in Taiwan. Which is really unfortnate for Taiwan. If the AIDS kmt did not go to Taiwan.
Taiwan would become something like Guam, or marshall islands, a western style nation.
Taiwan would become something like Guam, or marshall islands, a western style nation.
taiwan as a US protectorate like Guam? you got to be $hitting me.
Japan lost the war and withdrew from Taiwan. US could come to taiwan to take it but it didn't.
Mao and his group fought KMT for another 4 yrs before KMT escaped to Taiwan.
US had plenty of chances of taking Taiwan in that 4 yrs window period between Japanese withdrawal and KMT's control.
Finally,
The First Taiwan Strait Crisis (1954-1955)
Second Taiwan Strait Crisis (1958)
Those two Crises clearly demostrated Mao wanted to take down Taiwan.
Without KMT there, PLA should be able to advance across to Taiwan.
Japan lost the war and withdrew from Taiwan. US could come to taiwan to take it but it didn't.
Mao and his group fought KMT for another 4 yrs before KMT escaped to Taiwan.
US had plenty of chances of taking Taiwan in that 4 yrs window period between Japanese withdrawal and KMT's control.
Finally,
The First Taiwan Strait Crisis (1954-1955)
Second Taiwan Strait Crisis (1958)
Those two Crises clearly demostrated Mao wanted to take down Taiwan.
Without KMT there, PLA should be able to advance across to Taiwan.
QUOTE (sinowarrior @ Nov 4 2009, 12:11 AM)
taiwan as a US protectorate like Guam? you got to be $hitting me.
Japan lost the war and withdrew from Taiwan. US could come to taiwan to take it but it didn't.
Mao and his group fought KMT for another 4 yrs before KMT escaped to Taiwan.
US had plenty of chances of taking Taiwan in that 4 yrs window period between Japanese withdrawal and KMT's control.
Finally,
The First Taiwan Strait Crisis (1954-1955)
Second Taiwan Strait Crisis (1958)
Those two Crises clearly demostrated Mao wanted to take down Taiwan.
Without KMT there, PLA should be able to advance across to Taiwan.
Japan lost the war and withdrew from Taiwan. US could come to taiwan to take it but it didn't.
Mao and his group fought KMT for another 4 yrs before KMT escaped to Taiwan.
US had plenty of chances of taking Taiwan in that 4 yrs window period between Japanese withdrawal and KMT's control.
Finally,
The First Taiwan Strait Crisis (1954-1955)
Second Taiwan Strait Crisis (1958)
Those two Crises clearly demostrated Mao wanted to take down Taiwan.
Without KMT there, PLA should be able to advance across to Taiwan.
I catch you lying again.
kmt had already established themselves after WWII in Taiwan. Because they got kicked out of China. The first taiwan crisis of 1954 and the second in 1958. HIV kmt was ALREADY in Taiwan. You need to stop lying. Kmt like you lie , because the truth doesn't favor your political agendas.
Here is from the history books. again
An interesting anecdote from the 1930s needs to be mentioned here: At that time the Chinese Communists under Mao Tse-tung were vying for control over China with Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists. In an interview with American reporter Edgar Snow, Chairman Mao said: "...we will extend them (the Koreans) our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies for Taiwan" (p. 110 in Red Star over China, by Edgar Snow).
what part of this don't you understand?
Japan retreated from Taiwan 1945. KMT arrived Taiwan in 1950.
From 1945 to 1950 is period US can take Taiwan as protectorate but it chose Not to.
From 1945 to 1950 is period US can take Taiwan as protectorate but it chose Not to.
With that being said, if there weren't KMT forces and US has no interest in annexing Taiwan, PLA for sure can take over Taiwan after the civil war.
after all, they went all the way to fought war over far away places like Aksai chin and southern tibet with India, Taiwan is alot more strategic important,
1974, PLA took over XieSa islands from Vietnam, which is alot smaller and faraway from Mainland than Taiwan.
There is no doubt Mao would do that.
If KMT didn't went to Taiwan, it would be under the control of China today.
after all, they went all the way to fought war over far away places like Aksai chin and southern tibet with India, Taiwan is alot more strategic important,
1974, PLA took over XieSa islands from Vietnam, which is alot smaller and faraway from Mainland than Taiwan.
There is no doubt Mao would do that.
If KMT didn't went to Taiwan, it would be under the control of China today.
QUOTE (sinowarrior @ Nov 4 2009, 09:36 AM)
With that being said, if there weren't KMT forces and US has no interest in annexing Taiwan, PLA for sure can take over Taiwan after the civil war.
after all, they went all the way to fought war over far away places like Aksai chin and southern tibet with India, Taiwan is alot more strategic important,
1974, PLA took over XieSa islands from Vietnam, which is alot smaller and faraway from Mainland than Taiwan.
There is no doubt Mao would do that.
If KMT didn't went to Taiwan, it would be under the control of China today.
after all, they went all the way to fought war over far away places like Aksai chin and southern tibet with India, Taiwan is alot more strategic important,
1974, PLA took over XieSa islands from Vietnam, which is alot smaller and faraway from Mainland than Taiwan.
There is no doubt Mao would do that.
If KMT didn't went to Taiwan, it would be under the control of China today.
HIV kmt got kicked out of china and retreated to Taiwan right after WWII 1945.
Under the treaty of San francisco with the US. Taiwan was declared an indepdent country already.
It was the HIV kmt who stole china's gold ,money, national treasures , THUS causing china to chase HIV kmt to Taiwan. CCP would of chased HIV kmt to the moon , if the kmt went to the moon.
Mao, wanted to promote independence for korea and Taiwan in his speeches. And what part of this don't you understand??
An interesting anecdote from the 1930s needs to be mentioned here: At that time the Chinese Communists under Mao Tse-tung were vying for control over China with Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists. In an interview with American reporter Edgar Snow, Chairman Mao said: "...we will extend them (the Koreans) our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies for Taiwan" (p. 110 in Red Star over China, by Edgar Snow).
Taiwan is strategic?? Try convince that to the mainlanders. Hey, I been to china. They forgotten about Taiwan already. China is currently like HK, they don't involve themselves with lower class countries like Taiwan.
It is more like China is strategic to kmt's political future. without china, kmt will not win any elections in Taiwan.
QUOTE (sunt @ Nov 5 2009, 12:59 AM)
HIV kmt got kicked out of china and retreated to Taiwan right after WWII 1945.
LOL, you clearly lacking in history. Japan surrendered in 1945.
KMT fought with communists another 4 to 5 yrs till they got defeated in 1950.
KMT DIDN'T RETREAT TO TAIWAN IN 1945.
Why do you keep starting these threads, SinoWarrior?
QUOTE (Red Fox Ace @ Nov 5 2009, 10:20 AM)
Why do you keep starting these threads, SinoWarrior?
Your DDP friend, sunt, trying to distort history.
QUOTE (sunt @ Nov 4 2009, 09:36 AM)
From the history books:
An interesting anecdote from the 1930s needs to be mentioned here: At that time the Chinese Communists under Mao Tse-tung were vying for control over China with Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists. In an interview with American reporter Edgar Snow, Chairman Mao said: "...we will extend them (the Koreans) our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies for Taiwan" (p. 110 in Red Star over China, by Edgar Snow).
The USA during WWII, was trying to get rid of the Japanese in all Asian islands from guam, phillippines, to koreas, china, and all the rest of the 1000 islands in the pacific. Island by island the US will remove the japanese. It has nothing to do with helping kmt. You are SADLY mistaken.
Furthermore, the people of Mainland china choose communist rather than the AIDS (kmt). the AIDS (kmt) has no where to go, if they went to vietnam or thailand, ccp would of wiped them all out. They had to go hid like cowards in Taiwan separated by the ocean to escape from the ccp.
An interesting anecdote from the 1930s needs to be mentioned here: At that time the Chinese Communists under Mao Tse-tung were vying for control over China with Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists. In an interview with American reporter Edgar Snow, Chairman Mao said: "...we will extend them (the Koreans) our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies for Taiwan" (p. 110 in Red Star over China, by Edgar Snow).
The USA during WWII, was trying to get rid of the Japanese in all Asian islands from guam, phillippines, to koreas, china, and all the rest of the 1000 islands in the pacific. Island by island the US will remove the japanese. It has nothing to do with helping kmt. You are SADLY mistaken.
Furthermore, the people of Mainland china choose communist rather than the AIDS (kmt). the AIDS (kmt) has no where to go, if they went to vietnam or thailand, ccp would of wiped them all out. They had to go hid like cowards in Taiwan separated by the ocean to escape from the ccp.
first of all, if you don't know the history, pick up a book and READ!
second of all, you've been spilling propoganda a lot which i ignore since you sound like a trollish, sort of like a DPP watchdog.
lastly, there was a plan of invasion during 1949 by ccp to take over taiwan, but kmt won that victory, which safeguard the island to this day.
now on the other thread, you mentioned kmt illegally occupied taiwan, that's the stupidest $hit i ever heard..
after the surrender of jp in 1945, US and her allies ordered jp to seize control of formosa, mainland china, and surrounding territories near north coast to KMT/ROC.
"The senior Japanese commanders and all ground, sea, air and auxiliary forces within China (excluding Manchuria), Formosa and French Indo-China north of 16 north latitude shall surrender to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek."
http://www.taiwanadvice.com/gen_order1.htm
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anyway i can understand your frustration, perhaps your family members die in that 228 massacre, but if i'm not mistaken, kmt in 1990 already admitted their fault and apologized to all victims, and even build a memorial park and forced all govt officials to visit the area during that day.. so it was already a past events.. let the fuking $hit go man...
QUOTE (sinowarrior @ Nov 3 2009, 10:13 PM)
Japan retreated from Taiwan 1945. KMT arrived Taiwan in 1950.
From 1945 to 1950 is period US can take Taiwan as protectorate but it chose Not to.
From 1945 to 1950 is period US can take Taiwan as protectorate but it chose Not to.
Sinowarrior you are spreading misinformation.
KMT took control of Taiwan, or "arrived" in 1945. Taiwan has been governed by the Republic of China since October 25, 1945.
QUOTE (MasteroD @ Nov 7 2009, 01:25 AM)
Sinowarrior you are spreading misinformation.
KMT took control of Taiwan, or "arrived" in 1945. Taiwan has been governed by the Republic of China since October 25, 1945.
KMT took control of Taiwan, or "arrived" in 1945. Taiwan has been governed by the Republic of China since October 25, 1945.
You spread BS just like C U N T
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War
CPC establish People's Republic of China / KMT retreat to Taiwan
Mao Zedong proclaiming the establishment of the People's Republic in 1949.On October 1, 1949, Mao Zedong proclaimed the People's Republic of China with its capital at Peiping, which was renamed Beijing. Chiang Kai-shek and approximately 2 million Nationalist Chinese retreated from mainland China to the island of Taiwan.[52] There remained only isolated pockets of resistance, notably in Sichuan (ending soon after the fall of Chengdu on December 10, 1949) and in the far south.
A PRC attempt to take the ROC controlled island of Kinmen was thwarted in the Battle of Kuningtou halting the PLA advance towards Taiwan.[53] In December 1949, Chiang proclaimed Taipei, Taiwan, the temporary capital of the Republic of China and continued to assert his government as the sole legitimate authority in China.
The Communists' other amphibious operations of 1950 were more successful: they led to the Communist conquest of Hainan Island in April 1950, capture of Wanshan Islands off the Guangdong coast (May-August 1950) and of Zhoushan Island off Zhejiang (May 1950).[54]
how about the natives of the island...do u take account of how they feel being under a foreign power???
QUOTE (sinowarrior @ Nov 7 2009, 05:37 PM)
You spread BS just like C U N T
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War
CPC establish People's Republic of China / KMT retreat to Taiwan
Mao Zedong proclaiming the establishment of the People's Republic in 1949.On October 1, 1949, Mao Zedong proclaimed the People's Republic of China with its capital at Peiping, which was renamed Beijing. Chiang Kai-shek and approximately 2 million Nationalist Chinese retreated from mainland China to the island of Taiwan.[52] There remained only isolated pockets of resistance, notably in Sichuan (ending soon after the fall of Chengdu on December 10, 1949) and in the far south.
A PRC attempt to take the ROC controlled island of Kinmen was thwarted in the Battle of Kuningtou halting the PLA advance towards Taiwan.[53] In December 1949, Chiang proclaimed Taipei, Taiwan, the temporary capital of the Republic of China and continued to assert his government as the sole legitimate authority in China.
The Communists' other amphibious operations of 1950 were more successful: they led to the Communist conquest of Hainan Island in April 1950, capture of Wanshan Islands off the Guangdong coast (May-August 1950) and of Zhoushan Island off Zhejiang (May 1950).[54]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War
CPC establish People's Republic of China / KMT retreat to Taiwan
Mao Zedong proclaiming the establishment of the People's Republic in 1949.On October 1, 1949, Mao Zedong proclaimed the People's Republic of China with its capital at Peiping, which was renamed Beijing. Chiang Kai-shek and approximately 2 million Nationalist Chinese retreated from mainland China to the island of Taiwan.[52] There remained only isolated pockets of resistance, notably in Sichuan (ending soon after the fall of Chengdu on December 10, 1949) and in the far south.
A PRC attempt to take the ROC controlled island of Kinmen was thwarted in the Battle of Kuningtou halting the PLA advance towards Taiwan.[53] In December 1949, Chiang proclaimed Taipei, Taiwan, the temporary capital of the Republic of China and continued to assert his government as the sole legitimate authority in China.
The Communists' other amphibious operations of 1950 were more successful: they led to the Communist conquest of Hainan Island in April 1950, capture of Wanshan Islands off the Guangdong coast (May-August 1950) and of Zhoushan Island off Zhejiang (May 1950).[54]
Yes the KMT did retreat to Taiwan in 1949. But the KMT already had Taiwan since the Japanese surrender in 1945. After the Japanese defeat, Taiwan was returned to the Republic of China, which was ruled by the KMT. Otherwise, what was the status of Taiwan in the four years between the Japanese defeat and the KMT retreat from the Mainland? In that four years, Taiwan wasn't just an island ruled by nobody. It was a province of the Republic of China since 1945. From 1949 onwards, it just became the only province that the Republic of China has control over, with the rest of China's provinces lost to the communist People's Republic of China.
QUOTE (sunt @ Nov 4 2009, 06:28 AM)
Wrong , absolutely wrong.
The communists was trying to catch the kmt in 1949. The kmt should of ran to vietnam or Thailand. The communist would of chased them there and destroyed the kmt. It was the island of Taiwan which saved the kmt's miserable pathetic lives.
In all of China's 5000 years history. China was never interested in Taiwan, and never tried to hassel Taiwan at all. In fact during Mao's speeches, he wanted to help korea and Taiwan become independent.
When japan invaded Taiwan in WWII. The americans helped Taiwan become indpendent by bombing the japanese military outposts in Taiwan. Either way, the Americans would of helped Taiwan regardless.
The kmt had no where left to go, and had to escape to Taiwan because the ocean was the only barrier to slow the commies chasing them. And it is because the kmt is in Taiwan now, that is why the communists is so desperate to reclaim their people (kmt) back. The kmt is the AIDS virus that came to Taiwan and would not leave.
The communists was trying to catch the kmt in 1949. The kmt should of ran to vietnam or Thailand. The communist would of chased them there and destroyed the kmt. It was the island of Taiwan which saved the kmt's miserable pathetic lives.
In all of China's 5000 years history. China was never interested in Taiwan, and never tried to hassel Taiwan at all. In fact during Mao's speeches, he wanted to help korea and Taiwan become independent.
When japan invaded Taiwan in WWII. The americans helped Taiwan become indpendent by bombing the japanese military outposts in Taiwan. Either way, the Americans would of helped Taiwan regardless.
The kmt had no where left to go, and had to escape to Taiwan because the ocean was the only barrier to slow the commies chasing them. And it is because the kmt is in Taiwan now, that is why the communists is so desperate to reclaim their people (kmt) back. The kmt is the AIDS virus that came to Taiwan and would not leave.
How could the KMT run to Vietnam or Thailand? It's not even their country, while Taiwan is part of the Republic of China from 1945 after the Japanese surrender.
Japan didn't invade Taiwan in WWII. Taiwan had already became a Japanese colony after the First Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95. The Amercans bombed Japanese forces in Taiwan not to help Taiwan gain independence, but it was part of the over-all Allied strategy to defeat Japan, as Japanese fighters based in Taiwan posed a threat to American bombers enroute to bomb the Japanese mainland.
QUOTE (sinowarrior @ Nov 5 2009, 12:36 AM)
With that being said, if there weren't KMT forces and US has no interest in annexing Taiwan, PLA for sure can take over Taiwan after the civil war.
after all, they went all the way to fought war over far away places like Aksai chin and southern tibet with India, Taiwan is alot more strategic important,
1974, PLA took over XieSa islands from Vietnam, which is alot smaller and faraway from Mainland than Taiwan.
There is no doubt Mao would do that.
If KMT didn't went to Taiwan, it would be under the control of China today.
after all, they went all the way to fought war over far away places like Aksai chin and southern tibet with India, Taiwan is alot more strategic important,
1974, PLA took over XieSa islands from Vietnam, which is alot smaller and faraway from Mainland than Taiwan.
There is no doubt Mao would do that.
If KMT didn't went to Taiwan, it would be under the control of China today.
Taiwan is under the control of China today. Just a different China. Heard of the Republic of China?
QUOTE (Manjushaka @ Nov 7 2009, 09:58 AM)
Yes the KMT did retreat to Taiwan in 1949. But the KMT already had Taiwan since the Japanese surrender in 1945. After the Japanese defeat, Taiwan was returned to the Republic of China, which was ruled by the KMT. Otherwise, what was the status of Taiwan in the four years between the Japanese defeat and the KMT retreat from the Mainland? In that four years, Taiwan wasn't just an island ruled by nobody. It was a province of the Republic of China since 1945. From 1949 onwards, it just became the only province that the Republic of China has control over, with the rest of China's provinces lost to the communist People's Republic of China.
The argument of those guys was Taiwan could have under US control had KMT not moved there.
It was clearly US had the chance to take Taiwan as protectorate when Japan turned Taiwan over and signed the surrender treaty with US.
In other word, US had the chance first of taking Taiwan but it didn't .
QUOTE (sinowarrior @ Nov 7 2009, 01:08 PM)
The argument of those guys was Taiwan could have under US control had KMT not moved there.
It was clearly US had the chance to take Taiwan as protectorate when Japan turned Taiwan over and signed the surrender treaty with US.
In other word, US had the chance first of taking Taiwan but it didn't .
It was clearly US had the chance to take Taiwan as protectorate when Japan turned Taiwan over and signed the surrender treaty with US.
In other word, US had the chance first of taking Taiwan but it didn't .
Taiwan is currently under the guardianship of the US 7th fleet.
China is no match for the biggest baddest guns of the west.
Beijing can't help HIV kmt, no matter how loud you HIV kmt barks.
Mainlanders in China has already forgotten about Taiwan, is currently living a rich lifestyles like HK.
HIV kmt is fading away. I know, because I am currently here in Taipei, typing this post and watching the Taiwan news.
HIV kmt can't even win local elections.
If KMT had lost Taiwan too in 1949, it would be like the South Vietnamese govt. in exile. It would have been in exiled among America's Chinatown community for sure.
Not necessarily. The United States would come up with some other loophole and set up a puppet government to resist communist influence on Taiwan.
QUOTE (SkyLegenD @ Nov 13 2009, 09:03 PM)
Not necessarily. The United States would come up with some other loophole and set up a puppet government to resist communist influence on Taiwan.
yes, I do agree, the kmt is a puppet political party. Either a puppet for America, or a puppet for the ccp. either way, kmt is a just puppet.
the DPP, the DPP will fight the ccp, the DPP is the true political party of Taiwan. We are no puppet of anyone. We have an independent mind and we promote independence. Something people all over the world look up to.
china still have the chance to militarily take over taiwan today, its only matter of time.
QUOTE (MiCC @ Nov 13 2009, 10:31 PM)
china still have the chance to militarily take over taiwan today, its only matter of time.
China does not. China can't even fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Mainlanders have already forgotten about Taiwan. This is a fact, if you go to China you will see this. Do yourself a big favor, Travel to China.
The logical reason is Because today, China looks like HK. Rich are not going fight. The richer China becomes, the less likely they will start anything.
You are not even close. MiCC's posts are garbage.
I am currently in Taipei right now, I just went to the a corner 7 eleven to get bottle water.
I saw about 7 or 8 thousand DPP marching in protesting against import US beef, and free A-bian now. The local police is directing traffic. It is soooooooo wonderful to see the DPP in action in Taipei. I love the DPP.
QUOTE (MiCC @ Nov 13 2009, 10:31 PM)
china still have the chance to militarily take over taiwan today, its only matter of time.
I have to wonder, what the hell is this "china is going to militarily take over taiwan" ?????
what are you trying to do??? promoting the China potential threat?? for what???
you are such a pathetic loser! spreading fear and lies "the Nazi are coming! The Nazi are coming!"
So you pathetic little HIV kmt can win elections by falsely spreading fear and lies among the Taiwan people???
You are taking cheap shots at Taiwan people. You are very sleeeeezy individual. God, I swear to God, I have never seen someone as low as you, and your kmt cornies.
Pathetic!
This is exactly why I look down upon HIV kmt like you. You are just a parasite of Taiwan.
QUOTE (MiCC @ Nov 13 2009, 10:31 PM)
china still have the chance to militarily take over taiwan today, its only matter of time.
nah, china still have other means to take over taiwan, military is just the fastest way (and the most unstable one), until now china have spent several decades mostly to strengthen her position, the next steps will be unsing influence and pressure to reach her goals, real bloodshed can be avoided. On the other hand the Tiers are reaching their limit, going any further will just cause more instability and confusion which wont really help their cause.
QUOTE (sunt @ Nov 13 2009, 11:00 PM)
China does not. China can't even fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Mainlanders have already forgotten about Taiwan. This is a fact, if you go to China you will see this. Do yourself a big favor, Travel to China.
The logical reason is Because today, China looks like HK. Rich are not going fight. The richer China becomes, the less likely they will start anything.
You are not even close. MiCC's posts are garbage.
I am currently in Taipei right now, I just went to the a corner 7 eleven to get bottle water.
I saw about 7 or 8 thousand DPP marching in protesting against import US beef, and free A-bian now. The local police is directing traffic. It is soooooooo wonderful to see the DPP in action in Taipei. I love the DPP.
The logical reason is Because today, China looks like HK. Rich are not going fight. The richer China becomes, the less likely they will start anything.
You are not even close. MiCC's posts are garbage.
I am currently in Taipei right now, I just went to the a corner 7 eleven to get bottle water.
I saw about 7 or 8 thousand DPP marching in protesting against import US beef, and free A-bian now. The local police is directing traffic. It is soooooooo wonderful to see the DPP in action in Taipei. I love the DPP.
I really don't wanna argue with a scum dpp since all his post is gonna be pro independence crap. You have your stance and I have my stance, save the debate. The only way to win Taiwan over is with violence, debates and other methods will take hundred of years, lose some human lives to gain a province is not bad of a deal.
QUOTE (MiCC @ Nov 14 2009, 04:00 PM)
I really don't wanna argue with a scum dpp since all his post is gonna be pro independence crap. You have your stance and I have my stance, save the debate. The only way to win Taiwan over is with violence, debates and other methods will take hundred of years, lose some human lives to gain a province is not bad of a deal.
To win over a country with violence?? Does violence win over any country? you mean like iraq? I don't think iraq will won over.
again, you are promoting violence to win elections. Pathetically sad. And yet in real life you are too afraid to lift a finger to fight a DPP like my self. cowardly! So cowardly.
I will tell you the truth. your little HIV kmt is the japanese that never left taiwan. From the very beginning of your military occupation of Taiwan, to the cold blood murder of 28,000 taiwan leaders, to the currently completely disregard of taiwan by Ma during the hurrican. HIV kmt is the japanese invaders that never left.
Hell will freeze over before, kmt will win anything.
QUOTE (sunt @ Nov 14 2009, 05:45 PM)
To win over a country with violence?? Does violence win over any country? you mean like iraq? I don't think iraq will won over.
again, you are promoting violence to win elections. Pathetically sad. And yet in real life you are too afraid to lift a finger to fight a DPP like my self. cowardly! So cowardly.
I will tell you the truth. your little HIV kmt is the japanese that never left taiwan. From the very beginning of your military occupation of Taiwan, to the cold blood murder of 28,000 taiwan leaders, to the currently completely disregard of taiwan by Ma during the hurrican. HIV kmt is the japanese invaders that never left.
Hell will freeze over before, kmt will win anything.
again, you are promoting violence to win elections. Pathetically sad. And yet in real life you are too afraid to lift a finger to fight a DPP like my self. cowardly! So cowardly.
I will tell you the truth. your little HIV kmt is the japanese that never left taiwan. From the very beginning of your military occupation of Taiwan, to the cold blood murder of 28,000 taiwan leaders, to the currently completely disregard of taiwan by Ma during the hurrican. HIV kmt is the japanese invaders that never left.
Hell will freeze over before, kmt will win anything.
Of course I would lift a finger against you 5'4 piece of $hit so don't act so tough over the internet. No $hit Iraq wasn't won with violence because its couple thousands miles away, we are talking about 100km away war where everything weapon and plan are already planned.
QUOTE (MiCC @ Nov 16 2009, 08:49 PM)
Of course I would lift a finger against you 5'4 piece of $hit so don't act so tough over the internet. No $hit Iraq wasn't won with violence because its couple thousands miles away, we are talking about 100km away war where everything weapon and plan are already planned.
Losing your cool? Using the word piece of $hit? Ha ha ha.
Good! that means I have beaten you with logic.
Look who is trying to act tough over the internet. Threatening violence, and war. Pathetic! Using threats as an arguments in political debates?? What a loser.
Let me see here, after 70 years of threats and still don't have the courage to fire one bullet. What are you waiting for? For everyone to die of old age? ha ha ha. MiCC you are joke. You and HIV kmt is the biggest joke in Asia.
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