adopt more of banana republic free approach.

Drop the traditional book worm syndrome adopted from the Chinese.

chill out and kick back more. less books, more parties & beer. Be less uptight , and be more like SEA brothers and sisters?

We already got communism for that where anyone can go banana waving the blood spilled flag and worshiping Ho Ho Ho. The old culture valued high learners. The communist culture values fanaticism on Ho ho ho; it does not need much learning or knowledge.

Hard work is a universal concept.

In America we have what you called The Work Ethic which teaches personal sacrifice, you give something up now for something in the future. A residual of the colonial puritan notion of hard work, personal sacrifice, sobriety and a willingness to sacrifice the present for some future gain. The so called "American dream": you work hard, study hard, and you can have anything--a loving wife, a house, and 2 or 3 kids. etc..Hell even in the study of economic we have a similar concept Opportunity Cost; giving up one thing for something else. We spent time studying--giving up our time spend on something fun--so we can make more money in the future. etc..

I am sure you can find similarities cross culture and nation.

It is common sense that hard and relentless work will increase your luck for success. You do not need some "wise" old man to tell you that, unless you're an idiot. Confucius is irreverent.

What will these Chinese claim next? American industrialization was possible because of Confucius values?

Treat myself and others with respect and dignity.


Dai Viet is nation of diversity. There is no need for Dai Viet to embrace some and ignore the others.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index


Global Peace Index



Vietnam 39 (2-children policy)

China 74 (1-child policy)

I find Viets in general are more uptight in outlook than other SEAs,

You don't want to be too much different than your other brothers and sisters of ASEAN.

Socal, Why can't you be more like the filipinos, think more about sports, hiphop, cars, women, dancing, socializing...all those fun stuffs?

less obsession on dry GDP numbers. Filipinoes don't always obessess with numbers.

Man, you are no fun as other SEAs.

Viets south of the Tropic of Cancer and Hans north of the Tropic of Cancer should respect each other.


Tropic of Cancer = 23.5*N

Tropic of Capricorn = 23.5*S

EZ,

Let's respect each other and help each other to succeed.


When we disrespect others, it is a sign of disrespecting ourselves.

I agree to EazyMoney's suggestion of dropping the traditional bookworm-mentality forged by thousand years of Confucious teaching, which was nothing but treating the status quo as if it was ordained by God himself. One man's worth was measured by how loyal he was to the emperor/emperors and the obedient mentality. Left for themselves, such bookworms would support wholeheartly things like the Great Leap Forward, and other bloody events well recorded in the history book. Left for themselves, they couldn't even set up the capitalist system, which was by the way another Western invention, that they are now so proud of.

Yes, the Viets should look toward the sources of innovation and modernization instead of learning them second-handly from the Chinese book-worms who had been sent to the West decades ago to learn the skills needed to run a modern state.

I find it is amusing that people who live in a cage would refer to others as living in "banana" republics when they themselves can't even search the internet for certain subjects. Amusing, indeed.

My point is other SEAs are not obsessed with the idea of modernization and innovation. Obession is not characteristics of them, therefore if viets really want be a true SEA, then stop all obessions and live a carefree lifestyle.

there's nothing wrong with banana republic, pure soul, simple life are pretty good.

so, viets, stop all obession with modernization, let it flow naturally, be carefree like the other SEAs.

While China practice moderate confuscism, Japan and South Korea are practicing extreme confuscism. They are always obsessed with something. They always have fukin serious look.

SEAs are not like that.

South Asians are academically very successful but they don´t have the Confuscious culture. How are you going to explain that?

Viets are SEAs not south asians, you can't compare to different breed.
I can only compare among the SEA brothers and sisters.

Besides Indians are pretty uptight and stingy as hell. They spent the whole in the carpet doing nothing but daydreaming and doing yoga.

They cannot compare to carefree style of SEAs.

Studiousness/hard work isn’t a virtue exclusive to Sino-CRAPfucian civilizations. There are many bookworms in Indians and Indianized Southeast Asians and that’s a FACT. Just like it is a FACT that there are MANY UNEDUCATED Chinese hookers, rickshaw slave drivers, trash-can pickers, 4-star-restroom toilet cleaners, etc. Go to China and see.

On a different note, if we didn’t have CRAPfucianist plague on our culture, the good Western ideas would’ve seeped in. Vietnam was denied industrialization and modernization due to the disgusting CRAPfucianist and isolationalist Sinophiles in the Nguyen court. The wanted Vietnam to stay backward. Opposing this political faction was the Western-educated Prince Canh, who could’ve delivered Vietnam from the CRAPfucian darkness into the light of Westernisation.


http://books.google.com/books?id=kRi_BKq60...anh&f=false
The Chinese faction won, as Prince Canh died prematurely (poisoned by a Sinophile retard most likely) and the Sinophile Minh Mang was crowned. Then Canh’s followers were demoted and executed.

http://books.google.com/books?id=kRi_BKq60...anh&f=false


*sigh* Prince Canh was our only chance for a powerful and prosperous Westernised Vietnam:

True SEAs do not obsessed with the word powerful. Since you are SEA and if you are only westernized without mixture with confucsm, You should be doing hiphop and be happy like filipinoes.


Because confuscism messed up your head, giving you ideas that you shouldn't have and now you all acting like a mixed up breed. Half east Asian and Half SEA.
bad mix.


But you can purge that. starting by dropping the book, and stop hanging around the library.
And follow what the filipinoes are doing. whatever they do, you do. This will help purge the bad mixture inside your body.

You are wasting your time discussing with a Chinese troll. Just ignore him.

People who have been to Viet Nam say that Vietnamese are the most opened, and friendly people. So how can we be up tight. Our culture values high learners not some pompous attitude. Confucius is not the only influence in Viet's culture. We have triple influences: Confucius, Tao, and mostly Buddhism, which is why people are friendly. Ask any tourists.


Question: are there any good people left to take the lead?

But you can purge that. starting by dropping the book, and stop hanging around the library.
And follow what the filipinoes are doing. whatever they do, you do. This will help purge the bad mixture inside your body.

Be a True SEA. doing some raps



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnnM7XDNnw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK-C6RUcUME...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2VCqLnY2CI...feature=related

South East Asia in the middle


We should treat our northerners (Chinese) and westerners (Americans) and easterners (Indians) and southerners (Aussies/Kiwis) cordially.

Dai Viet experienced a lots of pain and suffering for the last 500 years since the death of our emperor Le Thanh Tong in 1497. This curse was also due to our southward expansion to central and southern region. We have repaid our debt and the golden age of Dai Viet will be welcome back in the 21st century.

To all the Viets, Drop the books and be a True SEA.

Please if you have something to contribute, please fill free to do so. Otherwise, please behave courteously.

Korea War happened in the 1950s (1950-53) and 5 decades later, South Korea is a developed nation with good living standards.


Vietnam War happened during 1945-1975 and Vietnam implemented Doi Moi in 1980s. Five decades from 1980s, which is during 2030s, Vietnam will be a lots better.

You can't be friendly and opened minded people and be uptight at the same time. We value opened minded and learned people not some lunatics with a smile or an ego.

South Korean was able to recover only due to its leadership and policy. Viet Nam will be much slower if ever because of its politics of fear and poor, corrupt and unlearned leadership.

Socal, stop talking history, stop obession with modernization and GDP numbers.

Be a true SEA for a change. For viet guys, Grow some cornrows. For viet girls, show them some titties. Stop acting and thinking like Chinaman wannabes.

double post

EZ,


Please do no not tempt me. I am more like Nguyen Trai and Nguyen Binh Khiem.

Dude this EazyMoney is a troll

hey f-ckface...us SEAsians want to modernize too....'
as for money...why the f-ck do people from my country immigrate to Europe, Middle East, and US/Canada to work if we r just satisfied with the way things r

U mistake being a agricultural society as being lazy??? try working in a ricefield all day...plowing and sowing the field and see how easy and carefree that is...try being out in sea for days trying to catch fish to feed ur family as something easy

Hard work is an universal virtue.

Not sure about education. In order for education to be regarded as a central virtue, it must be a viable path to success. I don't think this was the case in all cultures. In fact, I'm pretty sure it wasn't in most nomadic cultures, because education, as we understand it, is predominantly a sedentary affair; in nomadic cultures, martial & equestrian skills were emphasized instead. An argument could also be made that India's caste structure discouraged universal education, but since the Brahmins (the "learned men") were the highest caste, it was still greatly valued. As for the Muslim world, religious education was important. The same was true of Christian Europe. I don't think the Mesoamerican civilizations really valued education, but I could be wrong.

I agree, Nanman should be nanman so they should throw away their Confucius culture and return back the way they were.

You should chill out like them SEA brothers and sisters.

Ilk, your ancestors were all half-assed and Chinaman Wannabes with stupid imitation throne, fake book and pen.

that was then and this is now:


i guess by the same logic Chinese are a bunch of whitemen wannabes-- lousy duplicates,fake and poisonous products, and yet still barbaric under that suit.


Why don't you dress like a chinaman? wear your pig tail and bowing at each others feet..etc..get high on opium all day. .force your women to bow their feet, throw away your computer, light bulb,burn down your western buildings, and anything that uses electricity-- throw away your suit etc..etc..and go back being a chinaman.

you gotta practice what you preach to be taken seriously.

In Vietnam, does anybody care about Confucius anymore...?

Ignorant fool.
that ain't us Han Chinese by choice. They came from the Manchurians. us Han squashed and neutralized them already.

yeah, drop your fake books and grow some corn-rows.

but you still hang around your damn library all the time. fake nerd.

I wonder what The Great Master himself would think about Chinese girls in red mini-dress and white a-go-go booths marching along the soldiers?

oh it is by choice. Manchu were the minority, it beats me how they enslaved the majority. What did Sun Tzu said? "Being unconquerable lies with yourself"

you need to shave the the front of your head and comb the remaining hair in the back into a braid. pick backup the opium pipe if you havent already and go back to the relaxed styles during British era. How about the old standard of beauty:



practice what you preach. Go on

Very amusing. Buddhism has virtually eclipsed Confucianism in Vietnam. Even in China, Buddhism is still by the far the most popular religion and has even thrived during and after the Cultural Revolution while Confucianism is now so weakened it is even behind Taoism in term of popularity and total amount of adherents. Both China and Vietnam, there are a great amount of Buddhist temples, monuments, schools, and statues unrivaled by few other places on Earth. Buddhism is even officially sponsored or at least supported by the government and Communist party members. Where is the same kind of treatment for Confucianism? Sure, there are Confucius Institutes every now and then, and across the world but it is pale in comparison to the grandiose scale of Buddhism, the greatest pacifist religion ever existed. Anyhow, Buddhism is as much of a "scholastic" religion as Confucianism. Given these facts, I don't now what game you are trying to play. =P

In conclusion, Buddhism is the most honored and popular religion in China and Vietnam. Confucianism is an important aspect and will continue to live on, but has been shoved to the sideline. The triple religions order are as follow: Buddhism>Taoism>Confucianism.

Once again, they ain't Han Chinese traditions. If you want to do and follow the Manchurian, go ahead be my guest.

Confuscism has nothing to do with religion.

anyway, even your helmsman Ho chi Min came to study in China and trying to imitate the chinese thinking, culture, ...etc
There 's no denying it.


Now, it's time to purge it out of your system.

EZ, please continue with your barbarianism.

It is true that Confucianism is more of a philosophy than religion but Buddhism is also a philosophy as well.

Chinese culture and thinking is not synonymous with Confucianism. No single aspect of Chinese civilization can be use to define it entirely, but Buddhism and Taoism are more better representatives since most Chinese are adherents of these two beliefs.

Actually when Ho Chi Minh came to China to study, he was actually studying the Communist values of Lenin, Marx, and Mao not Confucius. =P In fact, why Ho came to China, Confucianism was already in steep decline due to social turmoils and unrest. Traditional China and its Confucianistic ideology was being heavily attacked and challenged in favor of modernization. All of which would accumulate to the disastrous Cultural Revolution which is the equivalent of Qin Shi Huang's genocidal pogroms of Confucian's scholars and text.

What good did that do????

Viet Cong =(

Looks like N Vietnamese are less Nanman than S Vietnamese, after all they did won the Vietnam war.

You guys are wasting your time trying to educate hopelessly misguided retards.

What? So Manchu and Mongol are not Chinese, now?

You people have identity crisis.

So umm when are you going back to grow pig tail, wear long dress, bound women feet, and smoke opium all day like the drug addict that you are. High on drug all day, oppressing women,absurd hairstyle--pig tailed long hair with bald spot in the front= thug life? The relaxed life style

I am surprised no Chinese claim that they invented "thug life" style and sue Tupac or these American rappers for stealing their culture

yo join the "hommies". I'll met ja at the opium den:

thug life cuz:


clearly, the American gangster culture is influenced by Chinese

Well fool, fixated on the old style clothes ain't do $hit.

I am questioning why you fools still pattern after confuscious type of thinking, which is the main problem.
stop copying our stuffs.

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And plagarized all chinese style building and writings. Plagarism.

Even the Manchurian pig tail thing Viets had copied LOL. You should destroy all buildings because it's IP theft and pattern infringement. Illegal copy, you know
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