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salamat
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Besides igorot and aeta...bangsamoro people were one of the only people of the Philippine Islands who were never truly colonized
I respect them tremendously for keeping the native culture alive...and for being proud to be native

bangsamoro girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtBOQRCmEIc...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0SnvUrRmmw...feature=related
philfighter
Is there such a thing as a pure race? I guess the only pure in the world are the Africans. All other races just branched out, adapted to the environment, eventually interbred whose features were lost through generations. What is an "unmixed Filipino beauty?" Why are we so obsessed with what a Filipino should LOOK like? Shouldn't it be better if we were more obsessed with what a Filipino should BE like?

A Filipino goes beyond physical features, beyond classification. A Filipino is a way of life.
salamat
QUOTE (philfighter @ Nov 5 2009, 08:16 AM) *
Is there such a thing as a pure race? I guess the only pure in the world are the Africans. All other races just branched out, adapted to the environment, eventually interbred whose features were lost through generations. What is an "unmixed Filipino beauty?" Why are we so obsessed with what a Filipino should LOOK like? Shouldn't it be better if we were more obsessed with what a Filipino should BE like?

A Filipino goes beyond physical features, beyond classification. A Filipino is a way of life.


Discovering our roots also unlocks our rich SouthEastAsian culture...which will lead to less cultural confusion. People won't hate their own homeland anymore
Look at the top countries in the world...don't u see how much ethnic pride they have of themselves...which fuels a love for their country...and a strive to make their country the best

Once the filipino people learn to love themselves and their country learn to cry for their county...then we will able to move forward
philfighter
^^ There are a lot of Filipinos who hate their homeland, but trust me, it's not because we don't know our roots.
salamat
QUOTE (philfighter @ Nov 5 2009, 08:23 AM) *
^^ There are a lot of Filipinos who hate their homeland, but trust me, it's not because we don't know our roots.


not knowing our roots is the root cause of this self hatred for one's country...we don't respect and love our own country and countrymen...thats why corruption is rampant...there is no sense of ethnic pride instilled amongst the people...we love westerners more then we love ourselves
philfighter
^^ Okay, elaborate that step by step.

AFAIK, I don't know much about my own roots, but I don't hate myself.
salamat
QUOTE (philfighter @ Nov 5 2009, 08:27 AM) *
^^ Okay, elaborate that step by step.

AFAIK, I don't know much about my own roots, but I don't hate myself.


The source of corruption in the Philippines is due to more people loving themselves then their own country.
And why would u love ur country if u don't have a strong sense of identity. Were basically told that were just the bastard children of spanish priest and uncultured indios

2,000 years of Philippine culture ignored for 300 years of colonial BS
ilikechicken
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 5 2009, 09:37 PM) *
The source of corruption in the Philippines is due to more people loving themselves then their own country.
And why would u love ur country if u don't have a strong sense of identity. Were basically told that were just the bastard children of spanish priest and uncultured indios

2,000 years of Philippine culture ignored for 300 years of colonial BS

Ok, I was assuming you were a Fil-am and now I know you are a Fil-am.

Filipinos, I'm talking about those who live in the country, have a strong sense of identity. They are proud to be Filipino. There is no "cultural confusion" going on in the Philippines. The only ones who can be "cultural confused" are those living outside the country looking in. The reason why the country is this way now has nothing to do with an identity crisis.

But I would have to agree that the source of corruption in the Philippines is due to more people loving themselves than their own country.
Najjiah
QUOTE (ilikechicken @ Nov 5 2009, 03:52 AM) *
Ok, I was assuming you were a Fil-am and now I know you are a Fil-am.

Filipinos, I'm talking about those who live in the country, have a strong sense of identity. They are proud to be Filipino. There is no "cultural confusion" going on in the Philippines. The only ones who can be "cultural confused" are those living outside the country looking in. The reason why the country is this way now has nothing to do with an identity crisis.

But I would have to agree that the source of corruption in the Philippines is due to more people loving themselves than their own country.

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Najjiah
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 5 2009, 02:59 AM) *
Looks Asian to me icon_confused.gif

Besides igorot and aeta...bangsamoro people were one of the only people of the Philippine Islands who were never truly colonized
I respect them tremendously for keeping the native culture alive...and for being proud to be native

bangsamoro girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtBOQRCmEIc...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0SnvUrRmmw...feature=related

she's cute.

here... this is for you---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tok66Z1H3IU...yer_profilepage

bansangmoro kid that acts "black".

do u think he's fil-am? lolz! is he a relative of urs?
flipcombatmedic
Because she's Moro? What is up with some of you and fixation with phenotypes, is it just me or anybody else feels like this?

So much Moro folks intermarried with Chinese and Arabs in the South lol.
salamat
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Nov 5 2009, 02:10 PM) *
Because she's Moro? What is up with some of you and fixation with phenotypes, is it just me or anybody else feels like this?

So much Moro folks intermarried with Chinese and Arabs in the South lol.


moros don't mix with kafirs(chinese)...though there may be some arab mixture....but I thought malays and indos brought islam to the islands and not arabs directly

but i did i saw this iranian looking moro girl

here is an example of a native christian filipino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN78RKNQwyI...feature=related
redhorse
QUOTE (philfighter @ Nov 5 2009, 05:16 PM) *
Is there such a thing as a pure race? I guess the only pure in the world are the Africans. All other races just branched out, adapted to the environment, eventually interbred whose features were lost through generations. What is an "unmixed Filipino beauty?" Why are we so obsessed with what a Filipino should LOOK like? Shouldn't it be better if we were more obsessed with what a Filipino should BE like?

A Filipino goes beyond physical features, beyond classification. A Filipino is a way of life.


I like this statement, to say the least. beerchug.gif
Mephisto
There is no pure unmixed Filipino. I think the closest pure race are the Bushmen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmen


Libertador
I've seen a lot of mindanao muslims (particularly those of "royal lineage") who look very CHINESE.
jonathanrhino
QUOTE (philfighter @ Nov 5 2009, 08:16 AM) *
Is there such a thing as a pure race? I guess the only pure in the world are the Africans. All other races just branched out, adapted to the environment, eventually interbred whose features were lost through generations. What is an "unmixed Filipino beauty?" Why are we so obsessed with what a Filipino should LOOK like? Shouldn't it be better if we were more obsessed with what a Filipino should BE like?

A Filipino goes beyond physical features, beyond classification. A Filipino is a way of life.


Yes, i totally agree. Filipino is not an ethnicity, its a nationality. But beyond that, the Pinoy must understand his ethnic roots to move forward. I understand the viewpoint of the OP, he wants to highlight our Malay/Austonesian roots to understand who we are and why we do things the way we do. Our seafaring forefathers showed us that the way to a better life is to brave the unknown on rickety ships. I think it is inherent in our psyche and hence this diaspora of Pinoys outside the homeland. We are in fact continuing this seafaring culture. The best maritime crews are Pinoys. But, 'm already out of topic. hehehe...

Anyway, native Pinoy to me means anyone born here in the homeland, even if he is pure Caucasian if his heart is here and he knows a native dialect. He is Pinoy, home is where the heart is.

And BTW, prominent Muslim Pinoys are Tans, Sinsuats, etc. chinesey eyed and fair skinned, most of them.





salamat
QUOTE (jonathanrhino @ Nov 6 2009, 02:09 AM) *
Yes, i totally agree. Filipino is not an ethnicity, its a nationality. But beyond that, the Pinoy must understand his ethnic roots to move forward. I understand the viewpoint of the OP, he wants to highlight our Malay/Austonesian roots to understand who we are and why we do things the way we do. Our seafaring forefathers showed us that the way to a better life is to brave the unknown on rickety ships. I think it is inherent in our psyche and hence this diaspora of Pinoys outside the homeland. We are in fact continuing this seafaring culture. The best maritime crews are Pinoys. But, 'm already out of topic. hehehe...

Anyway, native Pinoy to me means anyone born here in the homeland, even if he is pure Caucasian if his heart is here and he knows a native dialect. He is Pinoy, home is where the heart is.

And BTW, prominent Muslim Pinoys are Tans, Sinsuats, etc. chinesey eyed and fair skinned, most of them.


at least jonathanrhino undertsands my point...mabuhay kapatid
salamat
QUOTE (Libertador @ Nov 6 2009, 01:18 AM) *
I've seen a lot of mindanao muslims (particularly those of "royal lineage") who look very CHINESE.


Its because people of royal or noble status were mostly light skin...cuz they didn't have to stay out in the hot sun all day...unlike commoners who worked in the rice fields or fishing
emmthreejonny
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 5 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Looks Asian to me icon_confused.gif

Besides igorot and aeta...bangsamoro people were one of the only people of the Philippine Islands who were never truly colonized
I respect them tremendously for keeping the native culture alive...and for being proud to be native

bangsamoro girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtBOQRCmEIc...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0SnvUrRmmw...feature=related


Bansamoro is a combination of words. Particularly the "Moro" which translates Moors, a term describing an African Muslim or an Arab from North Africa popular during the Middle Ages. Islam originated in the Mid-East, and later reached the Philippines through the Malay Peninsula when the Caliphate (Islamic Empire) stretched from Spain to India during their conquests. Hence, the Moros are not really "pure blood" and their culture is not Filipino. Rajahdoms and Allah originated from the Muslims. I don't think there is such a thing as a pure blooded Filipino since the earliest inhabitants were have said to have been nomads.

salamat
the culture of the bangsamoro people isn't entirely islam itself...its just their religion

their dance, clothing, language, ethnicity is entirely native

yes there is pure blooded filipino...but we should refer to it as pure blooded ethnic instead of filipino...because filipino is just a nationality...not an ethnic
overwhelming majority of filipinos r of pure blooded malay, indonesian, taiwanese aboriginal descent...and a minority who r of aeta descent
emmthreejonny
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 7 2009, 07:46 PM) *
the culture of the bangsamoro people isn't entirely islam itself...its just their religion

their dance, clothing, language, ethnicity is entirely native


They are native but not entirely. Those brightly colored dresses and motifs used in "Vinta" boats, bronze armor plating, colorful jewelry came with the Arabic influences. Even words like "Mata" for eyes came from the Malayan peninsula.

When the Spanish arrived, the Philippines was already divided into Kingdoms. Luzon had three. Visayas has a number of factions and Sultanates in Mindanao. There were only few indigenous tribes from very remote areas.

The question refers more on genetics. Which is somewhat difficult. I could only say the closest person an unmixed Filipino would look like are the Negritos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negritos
http://library.thinkquest.org/C003235/negrito.html
filipinoy
QUOTE (emmthreejonny @ Nov 8 2009, 01:45 AM) *
Even words like "Mata" for eyes came from the Malayan peninsula.

incorrect. Mata already existed in proto philippine languages, malay/austronesian pioneers came to the philippines first before reaching the peninsula
even in taiwan, samoa or new zealand the word for eye is MATA

http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/austron...n/word.php?v=45
emmthreejonny
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Nov 8 2009, 04:07 PM) *
incorrect. Mata already existed in proto philippine languages, malay/austronesian pioneers came to the philippines first before reaching the peninsula
even in taiwan, samoa or new zealand the word for eye is MATA

http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/austron...n/word.php?v=45


I did not say Mata originated in the Philippines. I actually meant the exact opposite. True, Indonesians and even as far as Maori tribes in NZ used it. Besides, how did the Malays come here first without going through the Peninsula where they came from?
filipinoy
QUOTE (emmthreejonny @ Nov 8 2009, 03:01 AM) *
I did not say Mata originated in the Philippines. I actually meant the exact opposite. True, Indonesians and even as far as Maori tribes in NZ used it. Besides, how did the Malays come here first without going through the Peninsula where they came from?

proto/first malays/austronesians came from taiwan, & to reach Malaysia you have to go through the Philippines
emmthreejonny
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Nov 8 2009, 05:04 PM) *
proto/first malays/austronesians came from taiwan, & to reach Malaysia you have to go through the Philippines


I always thought the distribution of austronesians was counter-clockwise instead of downwards. Southern China down to Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia then Philippines. Might look into it again. But thanks for the input.
filipinoy
QUOTE (emmthreejonny @ Nov 8 2009, 03:25 AM) *
I always thought the distribution of austronesians was counter-clockwise instead of downwards. Southern China down to Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia then Philippines. Might look into it again. But thanks for the input.



emmthreejonny
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Nov 8 2009, 05:41 PM) *



Great stuff! Thanks alot.
salamat
QUOTE (emmthreejonny @ Nov 8 2009, 04:25 AM) *
I always thought the distribution of austronesians was counter-clockwise instead of downwards. Southern China down to Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia then Philippines. Might look into it again. But thanks for the input.

Actually there were 2 points of migration...one coming from the north(taiwan) and another coming from the south(malaysia/indonesia)
so u r both right
filipinoy
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 8 2009, 04:01 AM) *
Actually there were 2 points of migration...one coming from the north(taiwan) and another coming from the south(malaysia/indonesia)
so u r both right

i cant find a map that shows the second wave
salamat
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Nov 8 2009, 05:07 AM) *
i cant find a map that shows the second wave


second wave r detuero-malay who originated from Yunnan China....crossed mainland SEAsia into Malaysia and some parts of Indonesia and eventually into Visayas and Mindanao...they r called the modern malays...

the first wave r the proto-malay or prehistoric malay(hill tribes of the Philippines like igorots)
filipinoy
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 8 2009, 04:10 AM) *
second wave r detuero-malay who originated from Yunnan China....crossed mainland SEAsia into Malaysia and some parts of Indonesia and eventually into Visayas and Mindanao...they r called the modern malays...

the first wave r the proto-malay or prehistoric malay(hill tribes of the Philippines like igorots)

i dont think the second wave crossed mainland SEA from yunnan, all the malay related groups in the mainland came from the south .
there are no austronesian evidence in the northern parts of the mekong, unless its way way before when proto-austroensians in yunnan moved to taiwan & became the austronesian that they are. Austronesians in taiwan were islolated. how can the first wave come from taiwan & the second from yunnan when taiwan is the root of the austronesian expansion.

it is the Tai-kradai or the austro-asiatic speakers who might came from yunnan into mainland SEA

i tot the second wave are the people of the first wave who might have a lil bit, just a lil ejay, negrito admixture & developed a more sophisticated culture also due to contact with other cultures, yes most likely in indonesia. & these deutero malays re-settled the many of the coastal areas already settled by the first wave malays, pushing many of the tribes inland or might have mixed with them, thats why inland tribes look more like the taiwanese aborigines

deutero malay means mixed blood btw
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The modern or Deutero-Malay of Southeast Asia are believed to be descended from Proto-Malays who lived in the southern states of the Malay Peninsula, the Riau-Lingga Archipelago, Bangka Island, and certain districts in eastern Sumatra. Anthropologists caution against inferring that every modern Malay is descended from Proto-Malay tribe membes. The modern Malay are a mixed race and differ among themselves considerably.
salamat
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Nov 8 2009, 06:08 AM) *
i dont think the second wave crossed mainland SEA from yunnan, all the malay related groups in the mainland came from the south .
there are no austronesian evidence in the northern parts of the mekong, unless its way way before when proto-austroensians in yunnan moved to taiwan & became the austronesian that they are. Austronesians in taiwan were islolated. how can the first wave come from taiwan & the second from yunnan when taiwan is the root of the austronesian expansion.

it is the Tai-kradai or the austro-asiatic speakers who might came from yunnan into mainland SEA

i tot the second wave are the people of the first wave who might have a lil bit, just a lil ejay, negrito admixture & developed a more sophisticated culture also due to contact with other cultures, yes most likely in indonesia. & these deutero malays re-settled the many of the coastal areas already settled by the first wave malays, pushing many of the tribes inland or might have mixed with them, thats why inland tribes look more like the taiwanese aborigines

deutero malay means mixed blood btw


because those austronesian speakers came from mainland Asia before Taiwan of course
not negrito admixture...they maybe mixed with other SEAsian inhabitants like khmer, thai when crossing Indochina

The Philippines is basically proto-malay and detuero-malay living side by side,,,though we call ourselves in a collective group as filipinos

The modern or Deutero-Malay of Southeast Asia are believed to be descended from Proto-Malays who lived in the southern states of the Malay Peninsula, the Riau-Lingga Archipelago, Bangka Island, and certain districts in eastern Sumatra. Anthropologists caution against inferring that every modern Malay is descended from Proto-Malay tribe membes. The modern Malay are a mixed race and differ among themselves considerably. They developed from inter-marriage with Chinese (as early as the Chou period), Indians from Bengal and Deccan, Arabs, and Thais.

http://www.bookrags.com/research/coastal-malays-ema-02/
filipinoy
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 8 2009, 05:12 AM) *
because those austronesian speakers came from mainland Asia before Taiwan of course
not negrito admixture...they maybe mixed with other SEAsian inhabitants like khmer, thai, or lao when crossing Indochina

anything in the mainland (yunnan) is proto-austronesian/non-austronesian.

"Proto-Austronesian speakers crossed the strait separating China & Formosa before 4,000 BC to individualize themselves as Austronesians"

edit:
http://www.bookrags.com/research/coastal-malays-ema-02/

yeah i looked thru the same site, but some of it is not convincing enough

especially many indonesian & malaysian text define malay differently. or the two gets mixed up
Menikani
A pure unmixed filipino are negritos

salamat
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Nov 8 2009, 06:33 AM) *
anything in the mainland (yunnan) is proto-austronesian/non-austronesian.

"Proto-Austronesian speakers crossed the strait separating China & Formosa before 4,000 BC to individualize themselves as Austronesians"


thats where the 2 austronesian speaking groups seperated
salamat
QUOTE (Menikani @ Nov 8 2009, 06:35 AM) *
A pure unmixed filipino are negritos



I said besides negrito...do u really feel the need to troll Menikani icon_neutral.gif

go post pure unmixed cambodians over in ur brown brown thread in khmer chat....lol
filipinoy
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 8 2009, 05:35 AM) *
thats where the 2 austronesian speaking groups seperated

i dont know if theres evidence for this. or how you said those who stayed in the mainland they became the deutero malays

we need to read sum more shiz up

well here research on similar topic, first parts of it are the old theories, so scroll down
http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/11...ard_Mallari.pdf
salamat
This is what a local from where my family is from looks like....she's from Antique also...and speaks kinaray-a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHh_dcoY-nY...feature=channel

See the heavy malay features
salamat
QUOTE (VietPride09 @ Nov 11 2009, 08:14 PM) *


hey viet turd...u know ur country is worse off then us...so I wouldn't be saying anything u jungle asian
mushroomcloud
QUOTE (VietPride09 @ Nov 11 2009, 08:14 PM) *


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martin_nuke
Manny Pacquiao's new girlfriend is HOT!!!

Najjiah
QUOTE
What does a 100% unmixed native filipina look like?

like this...

sks88
QUOTE (martin_nuke @ Nov 20 2009, 03:05 AM) *
Manny Pacquiao's new girlfriend is HOT!!!


he's hittin that..
kermit_criminal
i started a thread on the AF Lounge a while ago asking why asian are so obsessed with looks and skin color, i was blasted for thinking that. it was because i saw alot of threads on the picture forum asking "what nationality do you think she is" threads, where all the girls look NE asian, i now realize its not all asians, just salamat. really creepy if you ask me
kermit_criminal
QUOTE (mushroomcloud @ Nov 11 2009, 10:56 PM) *
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Vietnam's Best


Vietnam's airconditioned grocery



why the hating on vietnamese? if they wanna hate us dont get all butthurt... we have manny pacquiao and jabawokeez. filipinos in recent years are making asians look good and bringing us all to mainsteam media in a positive light. if other asians still wanna hate then let em
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