What do you think?

On average which side do you think is more educated, sophisticated, earns more, and generally does better in the Hmong and/ or American society?

-poll

Women.

Women.

Ask the OGs and they will say the same thing. It's the paj ntaub people that are doing much better and higher in school.
Ten to twenty years ago, this wouldn't be true because Hmong were still pretty traditional. They thought girls once married should stay home and let the husband provide for her. So a years ago, the number of women finishing college with a bachelor's, master's, or doctor's degree was low compared to Hmong men. Today, we see the number rising.

My pastor kind of joked not too long ago how it's the paj ntaub people, who we underestimate and believe should be home all the time, are the ones moving ahead in education while the ones we believe should go to school and provide for the family is falling behind.

I wonder why this is so? Maybe Hmong women are tried of the community thinking they're not competent and so they're proving it now?

I applaud and have so much respect for married, educated Hmong women before my generation (and even some in my generation) who raised a family including their in-law's family, worked at home (clean house, cook, send kids to school, and whatnot), worked at their jobs, planned and ran family events, basically got slaved around, and went to school at the same time! WOW!
I don't know if men can ever do that. So far, I have not heard.

Hmong husbands *sigh... just don't appreciate their wives at all.. all the crap they ua ciaj ua tuag for him and the family and in-laws.

simple overlooks. hmong men in this generation (the born and raised in the states) are overlooked where as hmong women in the same respective generation receive more attention, thus more support and praise. guess all of that hard work did pay off huh girls? also, don't overlook the burden young hmong men, I speak for myself here, we carry and face from stereotypes and whatever the civil turmoils there are, the question to ask is, are we asian-hmong men given fair enough a chance? that is how modern day is now, you don't see many pure and elegant women taking the role as given to her by natural selection.

Who the heck are Paj Ntaub people?

Anyone seen any statistics? I'm gonna guess women still top out in education. They have to rely on other things than guys do to make a living for themselves.

Women generally have it harder in society, men have it in themselves to do anything they want, but as far as family etc, whoever is the breadwinner has it the hardest.

Talking bout Hmong only of course.

What about Hmong trannies? They're being excluded in this list. Not fair. >,<

I'm really offended by Hmong women always bashing on Hmong men, like there's something genetically dysfunctional about a Hmong man. I'm around whites, blacks, hispanics, and koreans all the time. Most of them treats their wives worse than any of the Hmong guys I know. Sure there are some Hmong guys out there who are jerks but don't categorize us all into that group. Go out there and actually get to know and see other communities. You might come to find that we're all not so different afterall. It's not just Hmong guys who takes their wives for granted.

BTW, it's not just Hmong girls doing better in education either. Overall, girls across the board are doing better in education. It's almost like a small revolution of women coming out.

Yep, men are men.

I seen alot of Asian girls who look down on Asian guys but they date the type of non-Asian guys that crack "Me rove you rong time!" jokes when they're with their buddies. Maybe they're a bit influenced by those Asian male stereotypes.

True. Alot of Hmong girls to be specific look down on the guys and therefore, use that excuse to bash on them like they're the only group that's like that.

Too much generalization here. But facts are facts based on statistics. Hmong women attend colleges far more than Hmong men in proportion. It's like a 1:3 ratio i heard.

Hmong guys just need to realize that it's not the 90s anymore.

But then, a sociologist would argue that social economic factors contributes greatly to this disparity. Not sure how gender differs in the affect of SES. Perhaps the situation is far more complicated than it looks. It's not all about SES since this trend is universal ever since after the second great world war.

I don't give a $hit who does better, all I know is that women bang their way up. Plus I don't care if you got a master, if you're ugly gtfo.

@JOHN/XENG:
I only talked about Hmong men because this thread only asked about Hmong people. If you guys want to bring other race and ethnicity in, sure.

Maybe they're not dysfunctional (as you have said) but I have a lot of married Hmong girl friends who complain all the time about their husbands not giving them a hand when they have so much to do at home, work, and school. They never get a break. Every hour there is something to do and someone's always asking for something. It's bad for a nyab to nap cause her mother-in-law will spread some dumb rumors about her never doing anything.
It is usually the women who do most of the cooking, cleaning, taking care of kids, and planning and organizing family activities. From analyzing, I just feel like men don't care as much because they know if they don't do those things their wives will have to. What guy ever cares to throw his son or a daughter a birthday party and plans the whole thing from decorations to food and clean up? What guy will ever get up and get his own cup of water instead of asking his wife when it's only five steps away? Okay, I was specifically talking a man I know in real life So, maybe not all guys are like that but I know several guys who act like they can't ever get their own things. It pisses us women off even though we don't tell you guys (happens to my mom, happens to my married sister, happens to my female friends).

I'm just not ranting because I want to rant but it's true that in general women are treated unfairly. Why does feminism exist? Why does Oprah rant all the time? (BTW, I don't claim to be a feminist.. maybe to some extent only and I'm not a fan of Oprah) Why isn't there such a group as masculinism? Why isn't there a guy like Oprah? Because there's no need for those kinds of things.

@LIL:
Who else could "paj ntaub" people be? The only people (in general, the majority) that make paj ntaub are girls.

@POPULATION:

OVERLOOKED? WOMEN RECEIVE MORE ATTETION? I wish the latter were true!
It's not true. Hmong men are favored - there's no doubt about that. They're the face of the clan. They are the ones who will carry the family's clan name to the next generation. Women get sold and they're no longer part of the family so they're not important. They become opponents when they bare kids for other clans. They shouldn't have time for higher education or jobs when they are married. This is why I don't think Hmong women receive as much attention.. Did I say think? No, I mean this is why I KNOW Hmong women don't receive as much attention because they're not as important. No wonder the census in the 90s shows Hmong women as the US SEA with the least diplomas and degrees. Hmong people don't support these things until just recently when they start to realize that women are competent too.

Oh, never heard that term before. I thought you were referring to FOBBY Hmong people lmao.


There's no masculinism because women can't overpower and impregnate men. Really! Can you imagine it the other way around?

Teeb, what are you doing not in college and raising a family while working??? You're becoming another statistic!

No, here is totally not for me, that is why I cannot do anything to tie myself here. I still have a journey to embark on. One cannot live regretful.



It's the mindset from the old society and way of life.

do hmong women typically make more than hmong men as well?
aren't men generally intimidated by women who not only make more than them but are smarter as well?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh SHOOOOOOOOOOOT (LMAO!)

that's how it is in every race/ethnicity. the male marries and have children where the children bears the same last name as the father, unless otherwise. for example through divorce or second marriages the children can opt to change their last name if they want to. so what about the last name? as if keeping the culture alive is not enough, speaking of which, didn't someone say hmong women tended more to the hmong culture compared to hmong men? if that is not enough... read on.

it's the 90s, get over it. hmong women are doing much better than they were then, if that is not enough, what is going to be enough to make some of these hmong women shut up about hmong men vs hmong women in education, jobs, etc. jibberish? as if there aren't already enough men supporting feminist groups and or taking on the roles of the opposite sex, once so called sex-roles (that is still the predominate teachings in standard education) that is rather turning into "genderizing". that's the problem with women these days, I see/read and heard on average, females want to take on jobs dominated by males, and there are those in the same that actually wants to be masculine.

lol

pwned? Don't get it.

I don't get it as well, but the picture is funny.

When I was younger, my brothers told me (claiming it was a joke) to hurry up and get married so he can get a new car. I told my brothers they will never be rid of me. That I found a loophole. I will never get married. I will have kids out of wedlock. Therefore, they will be stuck taking care of me anyways.