So our situation in Iraq is not good. Here's the possible course of actions:
1. The troops do a great job and we fight down the insurgents. They come home, everyone's happy. (possible, but not likely).
2. More bloodshed, Bush orders more troops. Oops, there aren't anymore troops. Either backdown and declare a loss or start a draft. I'm betting Bush will opt for the draft since he never backs down. Good bye all 18-25 year old Hmong kids, if you didn't vote or voted for Bush then support him with your life.
So, the big question: how far are we from a draft? Here's something to think about. Right now, there's already a "backdoor draft". That's when someone who served their term and was supposed to come home gets booked for an extended stay in Iraq because we're short on men. What does that mean? Think about it. Short on men + can't back down = ?
So, will the nation allow a draft? No, but the nation can't stop one because Republicans now rule the House, Senate and Presidency. They can pass any bill they want.
Boy am I glad I'm over 25.
dalawapo
Nov 4 2004, 02:47 AM
iono, but i never been more proud to be gay!!!!!!! LOL
lilasiankid
Nov 4 2004, 10:34 AM
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Nov 4 2004, 03:47 AM)
iono, but i never been more proud to be gay!!!!!!! LOL

What does that mean??? Hey, which one was for the gays marriage??? Haha...Gay marriage doesn't even make sense! They should Amend the Bible too!! Then it would make sense...
Anyways, I would not mind going into the Military......In fact I was at a crossroads upon graduation of High School......Join the Marines! or Go to college and make money.....I chose make money....
yajthaugluv
Nov 4 2004, 11:12 AM
Yes...So it seems, I'm not a US citizen yet but am still worry cause, we are all expandable.
SkyArk
Nov 4 2004, 11:54 AM
Bush is determine to get his oil from Iraq, so the possibility for a draft is quite possible. I have heard that they have inform the Mexican border and the Canadian border to not allow anyone in during the draft. Possible war with N. Korea will definitely require a draft, either way no matter where we are we wont be safe. World War III, possible?
yangstah
Nov 5 2004, 08:41 AM
^ WHATTTT there's gonna be a war in N Korea too???? Are you for real?
Ramen-Lover
Nov 5 2004, 02:28 PM
EVERYONE, GET READY TO BE DRAFTED. While in high school, when I turned 18; we were made to register for the Draft. Even if your not a US citizen, but still eligible to live and work in the US. You are very eligible to be drafted. I dont know if this happens at your schools also, but if it comes to having people drafted for the war. Im packing up and heading to Canada, lol.
yajthaugluv
Nov 5 2004, 05:44 PM
Haven't you heard? US government has notify the Canadians and the Mexicans. It's very disturbing news.
lilasiankid
Nov 5 2004, 08:54 PM
QUOTE (yangstah @ Nov 5 2004, 09:41 AM)
^ WHATTTT there's gonna be a war in N Korea too???? Are you for real?
Of course....don't you know North Korea is VERY dangerous to the U.S........There's been lot's of tension and risk of a war ever since the Korean War "ended"......North Korea is a waaayyyy bigger problem than Iraq.....and War with them could cause a WW3 and a nuclear war and maybe even the END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!
yajthaugluv
Nov 6 2004, 01:52 PM
If the end happens we deserved, we got no right to tell other countries what to do about their weapon's program. Besides, we have more WMD's who's dumb enough to mess with the US of A? Only terrorist will do, cause there is no return address.
flipcombatmedic
Nov 6 2004, 02:55 PM
i don't know, both parties said that there will be no draft. well if there is no draft, the only thing i could think is that us armed forces personnel would have to do two or three tours and actived duties.
yajthaugluv
Nov 6 2004, 03:51 PM
The troops should consider desertion. ehehe
There is no glory in war...cause you're with a bully nation.
vanggirlie
Nov 6 2004, 03:51 PM
if the war in iraq goes longer than 4 years and if bush starts war with another country than i'm sure we're getting drafted.
if they are going to have a draft, i heard that they'll do it to girls and guys so all the girls get ready.
that's what we get for starting war and voting for bush (stupid bush supporters). i voted for kerry and i'm freakin mad.
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Ramen-Lover
i like your sig.
flipcombatmedic
Nov 6 2004, 03:53 PM
^that is a possibility but not me cuz...it's not that its just the shame, after your clean slate then you go shame yourself and your army and country by going awol.
and plus to me i see it as i'm a soldier, i ddin't pick the war , i just do it it's my duty so i duty with all my power and skills.
vanggirlie
Nov 6 2004, 04:09 PM
hey flipcombatmedic
i have a question...are you talking about blindly going into war or with your eyes open and knowledge of what you're going after? would you willingly destroy a town of innoccents when it's just one family harboring the one we're after? no offense to you or our american soldiers...i respect anyone who's willing to put there life on the line for others (i'm too much of a chicken myself). just wondering what your thoughts are on my questions.
to yajthaugluv
you say that there is no glory in war...that's true but there are some things that come out good in war. us, hmong people have a better life now. we had it good then but it's better now because we are given a chance at education and some oppurtunity. right now and back then hmong people still have a hard time at getting an education in laos and thailand. my cousins right now are kicked out of school for good (high school) for dealing drugs. so they can't go to any school in laos right now.
sorry if coming a bit strong...i'm not attacking you guys so please don't take offense.
flipcombatmedic
Nov 6 2004, 04:13 PM
no mam, i was just saying that i wouldn't have a personal guilt saying taht it's my fault if i ever come to it, my mind would say that it was not my fault i didnt choose the war.
and mam nope unless i was drugged, and same with most soldiers and marines for the most part i think. that's why i'm a soldier medic, not that i would not kill enemies however, so if i come to guilt and things it's because i let down somebody and not because i slew somebody.
vanggirlie
Nov 6 2004, 04:21 PM
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Nov 6 2004, 05:13 PM)
no mam, i was just saying that i wouldn't have a personal guilt saying taht it's my fault if i ever come to it, my mind would say that it was not my fault i didnt choose the war.
and mam nope unless i was drugged, and same with most soldiers and marines for the most part i think. that's why i'm a soldier medic, not that i would not kill enemies however, so if i come to guilt and things it's because i let down somebody and not because i slew somebody.
personally, me, i could never clear my conscious. i come close to tears just watching news report on the people (americans, iraqis, british, etc.) in iraq dying or injured, etc.
but....that would usually be my motto in life (except for the killing part).
flipcombatmedic
Nov 6 2004, 04:26 PM
^ yeah i know, some of us are just not meant for it...but then again that is good because it makes ours society more reserved.
again that's why were here, you know that freedom ain't free mam...just pull out history books and we all see it.
i just hope people don't be all like they were back in vietnam, did what they were told though many didn't like it for the sake of their government, yet came back after their toils of hardship for the good of poeple, though they may see it otherwise, and get spit at after all those sacrifice. that would piss me off and i would really wouldn't want anybody especially vets to be disrespected like that cuz they don't have any inkling of what we go through
yajthaugluv
Nov 6 2004, 04:42 PM
Vanggirlie,
About our reward of coming here into the america's that's not glory at all. We didn't win, we lose...worst our ally abandon us. We are on our own until we cross over to Thailand. Thousands of friends, cousins, relatives and families die a long the Mekong river. That's a price too high for glory.
It's difficult to say what glory is but for me in my simplistic examples of that would be the Great Patriotic War waged by Russia on Germany. Even though the red army suffer higher casualties, they still storm the capital of Germany and left Germany in discrace. There's honor, courage, loyalty, and sense of duty. Most importantly making your enemy pay. That's glory in my pathetic term. ehehe:) Usually it's the triumph part...but only good can feel glorified.

I have no problem going into war...But I will refuse to go to war because some guy/people in the office say so. Unjust war...what's there to gain, I never like trouble makers.
福州市长
Nov 6 2004, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (Ramen-Lover @ Nov 5 2004, 03:28 PM)
EVERYONE, GET READY TO BE DRAFTED. While in high school, when I turned 18; we were made to register for the Draft. Even if your not a US citizen, but still eligible to live and work in the US. You are very eligible to be drafted. I dont know if this happens at your schools also, but if it comes to having people drafted for the war. Im packing up and heading to Canada, lol.
u can't come back to USA after that do u know that??
i'm not an american citizen i also signed for SSS, my school didn't forced me to do it..
not too far from a draft indeed, espicially after re-electing bush.
福州市长
Nov 6 2004, 05:14 PM
QUOTE (CJK @ Nov 6 2004, 06:07 PM)
not too far from a draft indeed, espicially after re-electing bush.
but he said he is not going to draft us...
flipcombatmedic
Nov 6 2004, 05:16 PM
^and everybody talked about peace and peace but there is no peace
yajthaugluv
Nov 6 2004, 05:45 PM
Yes, the government will denied that they force us into signing it but just look at it. It's a loop pole that they use. We don't sign, no aid for higher education or just benefits. So in a sense, it's against my will.
Jigoku Z
Nov 6 2004, 07:04 PM
one sign of draft is when the US armed forces start giving large amount of money away.. like huge sign on bonus... than you'll know draft will be the next step....
福州市长
Nov 6 2004, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Nov 6 2004, 08:04 PM)
one sign of draft is when the US armed forces start giving large amount of money away.. like huge sign on bonus... than you'll know draft will be the next step....

....i'm scare....
The draft will be decided by the Congress members, not the President.
During the Vietnam War, the corrupted system will allow rich kids (like the sons of the Congress members) not to be drafted because if a person is attending college, he could get a deferment. Vice President Chenney got 5 deferments during the Vietnam War. That was like decades ago when the majority of the population did not attend college.
Now, the new law will not allow anyone to get a deferment, even with the sons of Congress members. If you are attending college, you will be drafted when the semester ends.
How many of those several hundreds Congress members have sons from ages 18-25 will probably be the deciding factor whether the U.S will have a draft or not. But technically, the rich and powerful people will have all sort of means to keep their kids from harm ways.
flipcombatmedic
Nov 6 2004, 09:51 PM
QUOTE (tqt @ Nov 6 2004, 09:18 PM)
During the Vietnam War, the corrupted system will allow rich kids (like the sons of the Congress members) not to be drafted because if a person is attending college, he could get a deferment. Vice President Chenney got 5 deferments during the Vietnam War. That was like decades ago when the majority of the population did not attend college.
that's okay we don't need the draft if most people are going to be f@g @$$ rich kids that dont want to be there anyway, i really think that most of the viet war was lost due to draftees that don't want to be there. i'd really stay overseas rather to see pussies come and take our jobs and make us look bad.
QUOTE (tqt @ Nov 6 2004, 07:18 PM)
The draft will be decided by the Congress members, not the President.
During the Vietnam War, the corrupted system will allow rich kids (like the sons of the Congress members) not to be drafted because if a person is attending college, he could get a deferment. Vice President Chenney got 5 deferments during the Vietnam War. That was like decades ago when the majority of the population did not attend college.
Now, the new law will not allow anyone to get a deferment, even with the sons of Congress members. If you are attending college, you will be drafted when the semester ends.
How many of those several hundreds Congress members have sons from ages 18-25 will probably be the deciding factor whether the U.S will have a draft or not. But technically, the rich and powerful people will have all sort of means to keep their kids from harm ways.
Although you are correct that the Draft may be decided by Congress, you should not that Congress is run by Republicans which means they report to the Republican party which is on the same side as BUSH.
flipcombatmedic
Nov 6 2004, 10:19 PM
^also though the draft might be through congress, the president have the power to send advisors and other military aid if he wants to, and if that occurs to other parts of the world, theres no way in hell taht the regular military would be able to handle manpower
QUOTE (Yax @ Nov 6 2004, 11:12 PM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Nov 6 2004, 07:18 PM)
The draft will be decided by the Congress members, not the President.
During the Vietnam War, the corrupted system will allow rich kids (like the sons of the Congress members) not to be drafted because if a person is attending college, he could get a deferment. Vice President Chenney got 5 deferments during the Vietnam War. That was like decades ago when the majority of the population did not attend college.
Now, the new law will not allow anyone to get a deferment, even with the sons of Congress members. If you are attending college, you will be drafted when the semester ends.
How many of those several hundreds Congress members have sons from ages 18-25 will probably be the deciding factor whether the U.S will have a draft or not. But technically, the rich and powerful people will have all sort of means to keep their kids from harm ways.
Although you are correct that the Draft may be decided by Congress, you should not that Congress is run by Republicans which means they report to the Republican party which is on the same side as BUSH.
It does not matter whether Congress is controlled by the Republican or Democrat at the moment, what matter is whether Congress members have kids ages 18-25 or not; that'll probably be the biggest factor in deciding whether the U.S will have a draft or not.
DaiNamViet
Nov 6 2004, 10:33 PM
USA close to a draft
yajthaugluv
Nov 6 2004, 11:40 PM
Thats when this nation start throwing us in the meat grinder.
Someone mention women will be drafted too...no not possible cause they were never registered.

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I'm not fit for military duty anyways...hahah
Can't pass physical examinations.
Colordevil
Nov 7 2004, 09:25 AM
I wont get drafted, cuz I got physcal conditions, hahahaha
starry
Nov 7 2004, 09:53 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.aspQUOTE
As U.S. military involvement in Vietnam came to an end in 1973, so did the draft. For the first time since the days of World War II, the U.S. military shifted to an all-volunteer force; all vacancies in the armed forces were filled through recruitment and re-enlistments rather than conscription. (The requirement for young men to register with the Selective Service was not abolished until 1975, however, and it was reinstated in 1980.)
As recent U.S. military involvement in places such as Afghanistan and Iraq has required the largest commitment of American troops since the mid-1970s, and the military has had to double the deployment periods of some units, call up additional reserves, and extend tours of duty by a year in order to maintain adequate staffing levels, the specter of a resurrected draft has been looming on the mind of many a young person. Although the possibility of a reinstatement of conscription cannot be ruled out, a renewal of the draft anytime soon appears unlikely, and one implemented as early as June 2005 seems rather improbable.
As reflected in the message quoted above, the draft issue has largely come to public attention due to pair of bills introduced in Congress (S.89 and H.R.163) which seek to obligate all citizens and residents of the U.S. beween the ages of 18 and 26 (both male and female) to perform a two-year period of national service (not necessarily as part of the military), and the Selective Service's advertising for volunteers to man draft boards around the country. However, both these bills were introduced not by legislators genuinely seeking to reinstate the draft but by Democrats seeking to make an anti-war statement, and they languished in committee for 21 months before Republicans brought the House version to the floor and overwhelmingly defeated it in October 2004.
The Selective Service also maintained that the timing of ads to fill draft board positions was coincidental, part of a process of filling expired board positions that had been underway for several years:
About 10,000 to 12,000 people serve 20-year terms as unpaid board members. [Selective Service spokesman Pat] Schuback said because the current board system was set up in 1979, and the bulk of volunteers stayed the full 20 years, many of the appointments expired beginning in 1999.
That means hiring replacements has been going on for several years. Confusion arose in recent weeks when someone posted the hiring notice on www.defendamerica.mil, a Pentagon Web site about the war on terror, even though the Selective Service System is not a part of the Defense Department.
"Serve Your Community and the Nation — Become a Selective Service System Local Board Member," it said.
Several newspapers around the world wrote stories, leading to questions about whether the government was planning to restart drafting enlistees. The stories appeared as news media wrote increasingly about the Pentagon's extensive mobilization of National Guard and Reserve troops for duty in Iraq.
"It was a case of bad timing because of the war in Iraq and news about deployments," Pentagon spokesman Maj. Michael Shavers said of the Web posting. "It created a tempest in a teacup."
Opinions — from both those inside and outside the military — differ as to what the manpower requirements of the U.S. armed forces will be in the near future, and whether the services will be able to continue to meet those requirements under the current all-volunteer system. And certainly not everyone agrees that general conscription is the best solution to potential staffing shortfalls, for a variety of reasons:
While many in the military support conscription on the grounds of social equity or national service, nearly all professional soldiers think that bringing back the draft now would reduce the quality of the military, while driving up its cost.
"The draft would be the Army's worst nightmare," said retired Lt. Col. Leonard Wong, now a research professor at the U.S. Army War College at Carlisle Barracks. "We have a high quality Army because we have people who want to be in it. Our volunteer force is really a professional force. You can't draft people into a profession."
A fundamental problem with a draft today, experts say, is that the historic two-year period of conscription isn't enough time to get a return on the investment in training that modern soldiers require. "There's just too much equipment [draftees] could break," Pike said.
A related problem: the cost of feeding, clothing, training and paying a large influx of unskilled personnel would gobble up funds the military needs for other purposes.
"We're a personnel-based institution," Wong said. "If we have a lot more people walking in the door, it would suck up all of our resources."
Since a reimposition of conscription would require Congressional approval, which has not yet been given, it is unlikely that a draft (even if approved by Congress) would be underway as early as Spring 2005:
And even if the draft were reinstated tomorrow, it would take at least two years before it could produce additional soldiers for Iraq and Afghanistan, the experts say.
"It will take 193 days from the time that we get started until the first person is presented to the Department of Defense," said Alyce Burton, a spokeswoman for the Selective Service. It would then take a year and a half to two years to train the draftees and form them into new combat units, Krepinovich said.
Even if the draft started up again, it might be of a much more limited nature than in previous years, with only those who could fill specialized positions in certain fields (e.g., health care, linguistics, computer technology) being conscripted.
There is no definitive answer to the question of whether or not the U.S. will reinstitute a draft. Obviously some thought has been given to the issue, but the possibility that such thoughts will be turned into reality appears rather small at this point, and President Bush has stated that there will be no resumption of the draft during his presidency. Still, conditions and attitudes can change very quickly — another event of the magnitude of the September 11 attacks could prompt some rapid shifts in government policy and public opinion.
Last updated: 6 October 2004
Ramen-Lover
Nov 7 2004, 10:30 AM
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Nov 6 2004, 05:53 PM)
QUOTE (Ramen-Lover @ Nov 5 2004, 03:28 PM)
EVERYONE, GET READY TO BE DRAFTED. While in high school, when I turned 18; we were made to register for the Draft. Even if your not a US citizen, but still eligible to live and work in the US. You are very eligible to be drafted. I dont know if this happens at your schools also, but if it comes to having people drafted for the war. Im packing up and heading to Canada, lol.
u can't come back to USA after that do u know that??
i'm not an american citizen i also signed for SSS, my school didn't forced me to do it..
Lol, the school didnt force it onus but one day the teacher just goes and start handing out the form. We werent told if we had a choice or not, just gave us the paper. Everyone else in class was filling it out so I figured, why not. The incentives they were giving out helped swayed me a bit also. COOKIES, man were they delicious. But seriously, when I filled out that form I never thought it would come to a draft. But with all the stories of how our US forces are being stretched to its max, I find it hard that a draft wont be coming our way. If I get drafted, Ill fight for this country. But if Im wounded, handicapped, or disfigured like so

many already; the government better damn take care of me.
I'm going to be laughing hard when Republicans get drafted into the army. Serves them right for thinking that Bush wouldn't do this, and for being such pathetic Bible-belt losers.

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starry
Nov 7 2004, 11:19 AM
Can I ask you guys why you think that a draft will take place under Bush?

Bills S.89 and H.R.163 were a concoction of the Democrats and they did not pass Congress. How likely is it that another bill about drafting will be brought up again?
Mantis
Nov 7 2004, 11:59 AM
There won't be a draft. The US military is downsizing, and evolving into a highly profeesional rapid deployment force, and no politician will ever convince the Pentagon to abandon this long term plan., which is already being implemented as we speak. It is the very essence of the 21st century fighting force in the making that the Pentagon brass envisions in the future, and a draft will surely fvck everything up. The US has taken 1,000 dead in a year and a half. WOW, big deal. They took hundreds of dead in ONE DAY during WWII, the casualty figures in Iraq is barely a pinprick to the US Army, and to draw comparisons with this conflict with Vietnam is simply laughable. New recruits have been on the rise post 9-11, during the same time period when the US lost a thousand men in Iraq, over 50,000 new volunteers signed up for the armed forces. With so many new recruits flooding in, certainly more than enough to fill the casualty gap, I have simply no clue why so many people are suspecting a draft.
starry
Nov 7 2004, 12:04 PM
QUOTE (Mantis @ Nov 7 2004, 12:59 PM)
I have simply no clue why so many people are suspecting a draft.

Some say it's a scare tactic that the Democrats used to get young people to vote Kerry.
Mantis
Nov 7 2004, 03:03 PM
QUOTE
Some say it's a scare tactic that the Democrats used to get young people to vote Kerry.
Bingo, right on the money.
Isn't it funny how Kerry constantly accuses Bush of inciting fear into the public to win votes, while he's practically doing the same thing with his outrageous claims about an upcoming draft? DemoCRAPs are such hypocrits

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Chinese DesertFox
Nov 7 2004, 08:06 PM
I'm immune from the draft.
QUOTE (Mantis @ Nov 7 2004, 02:03 PM)
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Some say it's a scare tactic that the Democrats used to get young people to vote Kerry.
Bingo, right on the money.
Isn't it funny how Kerry constantly accuses Bush of inciting fear into the public to win votes, while he's practically doing the same thing with his outrageous claims about an upcoming draft? DemoCRAPs are such hypocrits

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Hah, we were anti-draft all along you dumbass Republican bastard. If anything, Bush is the fu-king hypocrite. He calls Kerry a damn flip-flopper while he does the same $hit himself. And like the pathetic dumbass you are, because you're Republican, you spelled hypocrite wrong. Good job.

Republicans are all idiotic Bible-worshipping fu-kholes. None of you fu-king Republicans can defend yourselves without using the Bible, and you all are just pieces of $hit because of it. Case rested. I bet you dumbasses won't even respond.

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FrogRod
Nov 7 2004, 10:41 PM
the draft does come back, which i doubt, they start with all 20-25 yearl olds and then 19-18 at the end. if anybody was in the service they can put them on active duty for up to 4 years after. if you are in school it doesn't matter, as soon as the semester is over you @$$ goes to fight. if the draft is passed by congress then my @$$ is joining the coast gaurd.
starry
Nov 7 2004, 11:37 PM
QUOTE (Xai @ Nov 7 2004, 10:42 PM)
QUOTE (Mantis @ Nov 7 2004, 02:03 PM)
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Some say it's a scare tactic that the Democrats used to get young people to vote Kerry.
Bingo, right on the money.
Isn't it funny how Kerry constantly accuses Bush of inciting fear into the public to win votes, while he's practically doing the same thing with his outrageous claims about an upcoming draft? DemoCRAPs are such hypocrits

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Hah, we were anti-draft all along you dumbass Republican bastard. If anything, Bush is the fu-king hypocrite. He calls Kerry a damn flip-flopper while he does the same $hit himself. And like the pathetic dumbass you are, because you're Republican, you spelled hypocrite wrong. Good job.

Republicans are all idiotic Bible-worshipping fu-kholes. None of you fu-king Republicans can defend yourselves without using the Bible, and you all are just pieces of $hit because of it. Case rested. I bet you dumbasses won't even respond.

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I'm not a Republican but I'm replying to let you know I'm reporting you.
chynagongju
Nov 7 2004, 11:38 PM
Xai has been warned for flaming.
Mantis
Nov 8 2004, 12:01 AM
QUOTE
Hah, we were anti-draft all along you dumbass Republican bastard. If anything, Bush is the fu-king hypocrite. He calls Kerry a damn flip-flopper while he does the same $hit himself. And like the pathetic dumbass you are, because you're Republican, you spelled hypocrite wrong. Good job.
You're kinda slow aren't you?
My argument was never about whether the Democrats were in support of a possible draft in the very first place (obviously they weren't). It is about Kerry taking advantage of the public's fear to manipulate votes, something which he accused Bush of doing when he placed terror threats on the forefront of his campaign agenda. So now you see where the hypocrisy lies.
The chances of the draft being reinstated is close to non-existent, yet Kerry's BS department exaggerated the threat to the point that the prospect of being put in uniform against their will and dying in a foreign land became a serious, and quite real concern for many young Americans. Yet he accuses Bush of using scare tactics to win votes, what a hypocritE (there it is you spelling whore)
The House voted 402-2 against a proposed draft bill just last month, guess who introduced it?
Congressman Charles Rangel...... a DEMOCRAP

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QUOTE
Republicans are all idiotic Bible-worshipping fu-kholes. None of you fu-king Republicans can defend yourselves without using the Bible, and you all are just pieces of $hit because of it. Case rested. I bet you dumbasses won't even respond.
You keep assuming I'm a bible-thumper just because I am Korean and a Bush supporter. Well I'm a Buddhist, so there you go

Stop with the generalizations for a moment, I could easily call you hippie, commie, tree-hugging liberal, who needs to be reminded to put his bong down first before he starts typing incoherent BS on the internet.

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QUOTE
I bet you dumbasses won't even respond.
You're right, I don't respond to senseless, garbage posts. All you've given me so far are cheap insults and mindless ramblings, and you actually expect me to carry on our little "debate"?
It's very interesting to hear the ruling elites of America like those 500's Congress and Senate members (Democrat & Republican) always talking about fighting to preserve democracy or staying the course in the war of terror but out of those 500-something members of Congress and Senate, only 1 of them have a family member fighting in Iraq right now.
It would be very interesting to see if the Congress and Senate members would draft their own sons and daughter and march them to the front line to fight for democracy, freedom and all of those good stuff that they have been bragging about.

Anyone wants to bet that they would do that to their own family members?
Mantis
Nov 8 2004, 12:16 AM
QUOTE
It's very interesting to hear the ruling elites of America like those 500's Congress and Senate members (Democrat & Republican) always talking about fighting to preserve democracy or staying the course in the war of terror but out of those 500-something members of Congress and Senate, only 1 of them have a family member fighting in Iraq right now.
It would be very interesting to see if the Congress and Senate members would draft their own sons and daughter and march them to the front line to fight for democracy, freedom and all of those good stuff that they have been bragging about. Anyone wants to bet that they would do that to their own family members?
Everybody who's watched Fahrenheit 9/11 knows that. Sadly, there really is very little point to it.
QUOTE (Mantis @ Nov 8 2004, 01:16 AM)
QUOTE
It's very interesting to hear the ruling elites of America like those 500's Congress and Senate members (Democrat & Republican) always talking about fighting to preserve democracy or staying the course in the war of terror but out of those 500-something members of Congress and Senate, only 1 of them have a family member fighting in Iraq right now.
It would be very interesting to see if the Congress and Senate members would draft their own sons and daughter and march them to the front line to fight for democracy, freedom and all of those good stuff that they have been bragging about. Anyone wants to bet that they would do that to their own family members?
Everybody who's watched Fahrenheit 9/11 knows that. Sadly, there really is very little point to it.
The new draft system won't allow anyone to get a deferment like the one during the Vietnam era. I wonder that kind of strategy these Congress and Senate members would come up to keep their sons and daughters from harm ways.
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