hello everyone, here is another epic but hopefully educational reading for everyone as we continually delve into this so call thing call interracial dating in america. as u all know, i am from los angeles california, home of the second largest city in the u.s. i wrote this piece to try to educate everyone because of the topic that someone post that asian, hispanic, and white women all prefer white men as if its innate. this is a sign of dispair from people on here. the fact is, the rabbit whole goes much deeper and if u look at the angles of circumstances, its really the position people are in that when combine with stereotypes and patterns of people's behavior can lead one to think in such ways. but, the fact of the matter is, the issue is not out of your hands. one can still have control, but one must understand the complexities he is faced with.

i've been traveling across the u.s. for work and visiting different locations from small town america to big city america within the past year. i gotta say, the most recent visits to two u.s. cities in salt lake and minneapolis has really given me an idea of how most of america really is outside of the diverse west coast cities as i'm beginning to understand why asian guys on here whine so much. its not until u really enter his realm of living that u truly see the struggle. in a sense, i've come to realize the beauty of what i've been bless with to live in a state where asians are not only dominate in population in certain areas, but dominate economically in a global aspect. with money comes the ability to influence on a grand scale. with money comes leisure, with leisure comes the opportunity to gather massively to celebrate bringing happiness to everyone. remember these statements as i will go back to them later in this thesis.

here's the issue, upon arriving i notice that minneapolis, mn is a nice city and it looks like its pretty affluent. the majority looks like they are white people with a spec of hispanics, asian, native, and blacks. it appears that the majority culture is the white culture with everyone else kind of giving way towards caucasians. although, in this area, i've seen quite a few blacks in the downtown area with white women. normally, though, the white women that date these black men are quite different mentally then the white women that go to all white bars listening to rock music and screaming rock on to pro american lifestyle rock music. u know the frat and sorority type places. as a new comer to every city, i'm usually more observant first then anything. hint hint, to the dorky and disturbed asian guys, if u want to better yourself, your first step is to observe human behavior and put down that math book for once. observe in a mature manner and watch how people behave. i see the biggest difference between asian guys and white guys is that white guys pay much more attention to reading people's emotions then asian guys. thats probably because white guys have a blessing in disguise in that they have to watch what they say. asian guys kind of glide through life oblivious at times because he doesnt have to worry for instance a black guy wooping his @$$ for saying the n word. yah digg. but thats not knock on my asian brothers, its just an element of the circumstances we call life in american politics. also, white guys learn early that they are the target of minorities as they are the enemy. not that they are the enemy for real, but they are the gatekeeper in american social success. just like in sports, to win the championship, u have to go through the champion to get it. black men everyday remind white men that they have a target on their back. minorities then create these subcultures to try and counter the majority social culture which is in place. in the past when blacks were fighting and pleading for equility for power, whites were much more willing to give in. but in today's world, as blacks have gain much power in wealth, politics, and even social awareness, blacks are still pushing their culture to where whites are now somewhat threaten. its threaten because it is hard for a white guy to get into the black gatekeeper. a lot has to do with blacks also feels the threat and continually feel the hate towards whites.

anyways, leading to asian men. in this city, i notice and realize why asian guys call asian girls sell out and whores. wow, the last time i notice something really this bad was when i was in west l a working at a japanese curry house how i notice so many asian females with non asian males. but that was because west l a is full of gay @$$ asian men who think they are so sophisticated now cause they are "korean" "japanese" so they cross their legs as if they are so bougie and white guys keep picking up their women. so sorry. but most of asian guys in l a, asian guys are on game. even if they arent on game they have positive stereotypes as money maker, intelligent, organize, big homes, nice cars, genius, company owners, land owners, wild party goers, down to fuk your @$$ up if u trip type people. u know power. mainly caucasian men ranging from blonde hair guys to brown hair guys and even middle eastern and hispanic guys. well, in minneapolis, thats how it is, white guys rule the roost here. practically, u see an asian girl walking with a caucasian guy everywhere and i'm like wtf to the point it made me feel like fuk. this is degrading me cause its not like everybody can see that i aint from around here so dont look at me like i'm "weak" or "wack". next time, i'm rocking my l a cap. the point is, when all these asian girls are going out with white guys, white girls start to think that something is wrong with asian guys. here are the issues.

-asian guys are such a minority that we dont have much of a community so we are broken up and force to assimilate which in turns leads to a lot of asian girls dating the majority since they are tossed into the majority culture and accepting the majority culture as "cool".

-there are asian guys that try to enter the cirle of the majority, but unfortunately, asian guys dont necessarily fit the mold of "majority attractiveness". i notice an asian guy who wasnt necessarily attractive trying to mingle. he had friends who were hispanic women, indian women, white women and white guys and hispanic guys in his group but u could see that the girls werent attracted to him. they were all attracted to white guys. this would not be the case at all in l a and orange county.

-since minneapolis and the area i hung out in was kind of a little more upscale, u get the frat boy and sorority girl syndrome. so u gonna get a lot of white is right mentality. white girls didnt really notice me and my co worker who was black, they saw him as just another obnoxious hip hop black guy who got a taste of money now and is trying to get some pink pussy. me, they just saw me as a little asian kid who probably is scared of pussy or is socially wack. basically, they was sleeping on me as the hood would say. cant blame them, they never faced a competitor like me i presume or rarely met someone as savvy as me. so they go on their oblivious lives as yeah, i'm the $hit and this is how the $hit goes mentality with asian girls, hispanic, even black girls tagging along for the ride. this makes non white guys go down the ladder of attractiveness even more cause as much as i hate to say it. women like to confirm one another and just like birds, they flock together esecially the younger they are.

-here's the real issue, later on that night of drinking and bar hopping, me and colleague stumble upon this bar and u know girls are just bypassing us and the majority white guys are getting loud and obnoxious and drunk but its okay. let them have fun. u could see the minority guys just standing around most of the time while rock music and teeny bop pop music is going off cause hip hop music brings out the wolves in non white men.

-so i hit on this asian girl towards closing time with her white friends cause they were both cute and petite and i'm not necessarily a big guy. i'm thinking that the asian girl was gonna say fuk off or give that vibe, but she was so receptive. she stopped and was waiting for me to make a move behind me from my senses with the white girl. right before i was going to walk up to talk to her, i kind of bounced around on the dance floor for a good ten seconds first cause i was really buzz. right then and there i caught her looking at the white girl as to say see, he wont come up to me. the white girl looks back like oh, i'm sorry honey. what piss me off was that i was gonna walk up to her but she's already assuming $hit, so i said fuk it. but, i got an idea of the culture there and stereotypes. that is not good for the asian guy. cause one, it says to the asian girl that i am either prude, dont know how to have fun, too pretentious, thus giving her only one option, be with mister whitie. this also is bad in that the white girl looks at it like man if u cant even please your own women, how the fuk are u gonna please me.

-later in the bar, i notice a hot @$$ asian girl sitting by herself and i knew exactly what to say. student asian guys, learn to hold mature intelligent conversation with women. thats the key on hitting on women. mature and intelligent is sexy. thats another thing white guys have on u but thats because he is more tune to reading emotions then u. i think the reason is, a lot of asian guys arent necessarily that good looking compare to white guys if u base it on western standards of beauty. now u get the females who say they like asian features more and they probably do which u guys label asiaphiles but we dont live in asia, we live in america where america is the dominate culture. its no wonder beauty is based on white principles to an extent and thats why non white men such as black men create subcultures such as hip hop to counter the majority culture. it really becomes a competition for resources. in this sense, its for women. anyways, i remember a white guy posting on asiafinest and he brought up something i might have thought of but didnt put it out there. he said, some of u guys (asian guys) just have never been put in that situation where u are the attracted, thus cause u never understood how it is to be physically desired, u lose out on certain experiences and thus, u dont develope certain aspects in your personality. yet, u hone in on something else. the honing in thing though, i just added in. then i thought, wow, i guess i am one of the fortunate ones, cause i am pretty good looking for an asian guy. so guys, dont base it on my principles, i'm just giving u a ruff idea about the complexities of this society.

back to the hot asian girl sitting by herself. well, in order to compete with white guys, since they are the standard, in a city where they are the majority breadwinner u have to play their game. if they have balls, then u better have balls too. so i stepped up to this asian girl and i just said, "i know why u are sitting down there by yourself", she said "why". i said "its cause everyone is scared to come up to you (meaning guys)". she was like yeah, u are so fuking right and open up to me right away which suprise the $hit out of me which i will explain later. so we exchange names and i asked her where she from and she said locally and i said i'm from los angeles to let her know it aint all like this everywhere. u just in the midwest girl . well, her friends stepped up to me, a white girl and a white guy and she introduce me to the white girl and for once that night, a white girl looked at me with desire instead of that quiet scowl like u dont belong here. could it be that white girls are bitter that white guys are dating asian girls by the bulk here but asian guys wont step up. although, there were a few asian guys and white girl couples which one of them by the way was pretty sad. cause i was walking through the mall and nothing but white guys and asian girls in terms of interracial couples. fuk i notice more white guys asian girl couples then the asian guy asian girl couples.

the conclusion i notice is this. i was suprise that asian girls here were more receptive of me hitting on them then in l a. i mean i was hitting on girls that look flat out east asian which be hard for me in l a cause i am a light brown guy with double eyelids but still oval in eye shape. definitey not your typical chinesey. what does this tell me, it tells me asian girls dont hate on asian guys. they are even more receptive. from my thinking, i think its the lack of approaches from asian guys in this assimilated world that asian girls have no choice but to be with white guys since they are the only ones who party in a grand scheme in bars and stuff but thats cause the population is too low for asians to have asian scenes. circumstances u see. i mean, i approach asian girls at the mall working and they flat out were so open to me i was like wtf. too bad l a aint like this, seriously. its actually white girls that have bad ideas about me out here from my senses.

but anyways, thats wussup.

why do white men dominate in salt lake and minneapolis. not only are these cities dominated by whites cause a lot of u.s. cities and towns have whites as the majority but what makes white men rule the roost in these areas then lets say cincinnati ohio. its that white men in these area have affluent neighborhoods and money talks in a capitalist world. why do asian men have so much juice in california. its cause we have really nice communities. where we create our own our way or the highway. its cause they are the majority culture and there is a lack of minorites there. thus, everyone has to suk it up and say what ever u do is fly. the one culture that really counters white culture of rock and roll is hip hop. for one thing, hip hop is a respectable sexy where girls can dance and it unites the masses. unfortunately for white guys, they have to give up their thrown in this environment which is probably why they usually just like to stick to bars that play teenie bop music for girls and rock and roll so they can just stand and socialize cause white guys dont really dance and girls luv to dance.

to the asian guys in areas like salt lake and minneapolis. u have to be strong mentally and emotionally. u have to carry yourself like a man and be proud and dont hold your head down but dont hold it up to high too. respect the majority culture but respect yourself. its not like whites control everything and produce everything in human history. asians have contributed a lot to this modern world also. there is nothing to be ashame of. dont let historical circumstances lead u to hate. i'm only saying this to try and build your self esteem as a man.

i notice a few asian males white females couples in minneapolis this past week. then i will use two as an example. one couple was at a mall, a young couple somewhere around 18-20. the white girl looked ashamed to be with this asian guy and he wasnt all that bad looking. he was tall around 5'10" and she was about 5'5" so height wasnt an issue and it never really is. he wasnt scrawny. so i thought what was it that made her want to walk away from him and he just took it and followed her like a sucka. it was disapointing especially after watching all these white guys walk around with asian girls. not that i was rooting for anyone, just was nice to see it go both ways. yet it was sad to see how the couple went. so i observed the asian guy, he looked like the type to basically had given in that he was lesser of a man. he probably didnt have much personality. probably the type to just sit and listen but dont add. kind of like bland where as all the other guys (white) are probably living it up. kind of hard to blame him when all he knows is white.

on the other hand, there was this asian guy and white girl couple i notice later at a bar for the pacquio cotto fight and he had a mohock and he more brown skin then the first. although, they both werent necessarily chinesey like korean more like chinese on the first and mainland southeast asian on the second guy. well, the second guy hand a tall blonde with him and he sat there with a little more suttle seriousness like he knew what the fuk was going on. he quietly demanded respect and u know what, his girlfriend, stayed close to him. how u carry yourself is a big deal

different regions, different mentalities indeed... even Brenda & Brandon from BH90210 experienced this...
although me think those Minneapolis Asian & white girls would have been less open to you had you been a nerdy & spotty Asian guy
or maybe it is because small-town attitude is more friendly in general? ^__^

u are totally cool with me fivers. u actually read that $hit which tells me u respect what i say. as much as i want to say looks had a big effect but i dont think it was really that big of an effect. maybe with the hitting on the asian girls cause the asian girls can say, hey, here goes an asian guy that got his $hit together. although, i do know i am better looking then average, but fashion, style, demeanor is much more important then just plain looks alone. when i didnt have any of those cues, it was hard for me to get girls. what am i saying, i'm saying being up to date with fashion, style, and having a demeanor that says i respect myself is whats more important then just plain cuteness but fill with ignorance about women's needs. thats why i couldnt attract a white girl in the bars cause they assume i was this and that already. but, i do know physical attractiveness helps and thats why i state to the guys on here who i assume are probably or most of them average joes. but most guys are average joes, its how they build themselves up with other things that make them desirable. let me tell u something, there is no difference with the asian guys in minneapolis and in l a in terms of physical characteristics. the difference is in l a, asian guys have the attention of the people, they also have their own communities and their own places to party where they can do their own $hit and have their own women. the difference with them and these guys is that l a asian guys know how to party.

that's true, attitude & having confidence in yourself play a big role in attracting others

when a women chooses u as a mate. by becoming her mate, u dont just represent yourself anymore. u represent her. how u carry yourself, will determine how people percieve her. for instance, if she's with a gang related guy, then people will see her as that and so on. thats why i laugh when guys on here complain and say why the fuk should i have to give a fuk about "coolness" and $hit. well, obviously, that speaks highly on how much they respect the opinion of the opposite sex. that means they probably dont give a $hit about these girls opinions or themselves which in turn says to a girl, why should i give a $hit about u.

indeed it's no fun to be with a loser, and more specifically somebody who thinks he's a loser

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i didn't know azn guys are portrayed so misserable here, u guys need 2 man up......

I had a different experience in the Twin Cities, MN and would rank it as among the BEST, or at least BETTER parts of the USA! Me and my brother got quite a bit of white girls' attention in the mall! And we saw AM/WF couples too and they weren't treated and differently from the other couples and that imbalance in favor of WM/AF couples that the OP is spouting off on did NOT exist! Plus I know some MN girls who've personally dated AMs. I also know of a BF from there who did too... Perhaps the girls you're complaining about are not really MNers or girls from the Upper Midwest in general but merely transplants!

Btw, I did surf through old message board posts on Google Groups that date as far back as '95 and MSP was given a nod for AM/WF couples and that they had more of those than WM/AF - the East Coast back then was pretty bad in that regard at the same period and to think the culture was far more hostile towards AMs back then! I also saw a recent (2009) Yahoo Questions thread where a white guy marvelled at how quickly the balance has shifted quickly towards favoring AM/WFs in MN/WI unlike in other parts of the US!

The Asian guys who have issues with dating are those who are not fully assimilated into American culture. In other words, they are still half meat and half fat, analogy to describe half Asian (raised in Asian culture) and half American culture (not sure what this is really lol no offense). For this category, I suggest hanging out with Asian friends more. In a big number, we are stronger. If we are really Asians, we should chill like Asians. I mean with culture and respect and all of that. If we chill like Americans and not even fully assimilated, what are really showing them? That we are them but a bad version? Why don't we show them what we have? What happened to the true Asians? Asians who are not ashamed to show their cultures, their beliefs, etc. Typical? Well, $hit we are what we are and no media can changes that. If you are ashamed of your background, then what do you have?

Really I suggest studying Confucianism, Buddhism, or other practices. I think these taste better than pussy lol. These are some strong strong teachings for strong foundation of being a human being. Now if we don't have any of these, and we are chasing the "westernized" style, we will be short because that's not us.

We are Asians and we have to show our essences of being Asians. I really should not say this, but I don't think American people really have a culture. Look at what we have. We have chopsticks lol this is a joke but true. Most people cannot use a chopsticks, it is an art. Who eats Chinese Carry-Out? I do sometimes but I am Asian does not count. People from different cultures want our food. Why? because it is good. Look at our Arts. Who can draw/make arts like that? Not me lol but other Asians can. Look at our people how hard they have to endure life? Look at our parents, what do they have to put up with just to raise us? Look at how hard our people work in Asia just to feed their families? These people are patience by definition. We are poor, so what? We brew the best wine. We cook the best food. We have beautiful women. Poverty is not a crime, but a condition. What about beautiful places such beaches? Material things have blinded all of our judgments and your humanities. They put our cultures to shame through the media? And we listened? We feel insecure? If that's what we are then what we are. We can't be anything else when we ARE NOT. WE HAVE STRONG CULTURES AND HISTORIES, THINKERS, MASTERS, MONKS, PRINCIPLES, ETC. WE ARE WAY WAY MORE THAN WHAT THEY DESCRIBE US.

I think people deserve it for abandoning and feeling ashamed of their cultures. PEOPLE SHOULD BE VERY ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR ABANDONING WHAT THEY HAVE AND CHASING AFTER WHAT THEY DON'T OWN.

THOSE ASIAN WOMEN WHO CHASE AFTER SOMETHING IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST LIKE ASIAN GUYS WHO CHASE AFTER SOMETHING ALSO. THEY BOTH HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY MATERIAL POSSESSION, FEMALE BODIES, AND FAME. THESE THINGS ARE WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFTER THESE DAYS. AHHH AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SAY TRIBE PEOPLE ARE BARBARIC WELL $hitTTTTT AT LEAST THEY CAN LOVE AND HAVE MORE CULTURE THAN THESE PEOPLE.

SHAME SHAME SHAME. WE ARE TOO SPOILED THESE DAYS TO BE DISCIPLINED LIKE OUR PEOPLE AND THIS IS WHAT WE GET.

Escape the culture slavery and manipulation

I read the whole thing. I hate asian women who say interracial is not about race, just love. If it was just about love you'd see an equal proportion of interracial across all races and genders. Asian women use this excuse to make themselves sleep better at night. The truth is that asian women are abandoning the asian man in large numbers and embracing white supremacist ideas.

Hail victory.

I have lived in lower midwest (st. louis) and socal. I actually have an opposite view.

In st. louis there is not a strong asian-american community in the first place. We don't seem to get as many frat-boy types - many young people here are from out of town. I've picked up quite a few caucasion women at local bars. The ones near the university service mostly students and young singles. Of the women I've met at bars, I'd say 50% had almost no clue about the asian-american community and its culture. not lasting relationships . At the university, i see just as many am/wf as wm/af. To the extent there is an "asian community" - it's mostly Chinese/HK immigrants, and quite an insular community. There is alot of game for an chinese or korean who is in touch w/ their roots (i.e., can speak the langugage) b/c there are a ton of foreign students.

I see very few fobby asian women w/ other races. But I do see the occaisional ABC chick w/ her white man.



Socal is different. asians are so numerous that we tend to self-segregate. my best friends from hs all still exclusively date asian chicks (they are plain not attracted to whites) - these are ABC and guys who came here during grade-school. My non-asian female friends have expressed to me many times that they simply get the vibe that most asian guys are not in the market for non-asian women.

So you have the segment of AM population in socal just not interested (and not because they think they can't get any). In fact, I was constantly ridiculed by my pals for dating non-asian women (I've been w/ white, Armenian, and Persian). Downright racist statements, but they were buds so it was all good.

LA is more chill, OC is more suffocating. Socal has two stereotypes: either 1) geeky/de-sexualized, or 2) wannabe thug asians (there is also the skater/stoner, but that is more white-culture imo). I do agree w/ OP that whenever there is a frat-boy atmosphere, AM will get the short end of the stick - you see this in southern OC (i.e., rich OC), and also in LA on the college campuses.

The thing about socal is that the asian communities don't really see whites as oppressors. Rather, they are often a topic of derision and ridicule - but we do the same to other races as well - blacks, mexicans (in socal, you don't have to say "latino" lol) and middle easterners.

So, yeah it really does depend on where you live.

Sounds like my kind of place.