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preahvihear
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"KHMER RICHE" Written by Andrew Marshall in the Good Weekend Magazine for the Sydney Morning Herald, published last Sunday 12/12/09

They live in one of the poorest countries on earth, yet they drive flash cars, dwell in mansions and scorn their impoverished brethren. Andrew Marshall meets the rich sons and daughters of Cambodia elite.

“I’m going to drive a little fast now. Is that Okay?” There is one place in Cambodia where you can hold a cold beer in one hand and a warm Kalashnikov in the other, and Victor is driving me there. We’re powering along Phnom Penh’s airport road with Oasis on his Merc’s sound system and enough guns in the boot to sink a Somali pirate boat. Victor is rich and life is sweet. His father is commander of the Cambodian infantry. He has a place reserved for him at L’Ecole Speciale Militaire de Saint-Cyr, France’s answer to Duntroon. And, in his passenger seat, there is a thin, silent man with a Chinese handgun: his bodyguard.

“His name is Klar,” says Victor. “It means tiger.”

Victor is only 21, but when reach our destination—a firing range run by the Cambodian special forces—the soldier at the gate salutes.

Devastated by decades of civil war, Cambodia remains one of the world’s poorest nations. A third of its 13 million people live on less than a dollar a day and about 8 out of every 100 children die before the age of five. But Victor—real name Meas Sophearith—was raised in a different Cambodia, where power and billions of dollars in wealth are concentrated in the hands of a tiny elite. This elite prefers to conceal the size and sources of their money—illegal logging, smuggling, land-grabbing—but their children just like to spend it. The Khmer Rouge are dead; the Khmer Riche now rule Cambodia.

I first met Victor at a fancy Phnom Penh restaurant called Café Metro. Outside, Porsches, Bentleys and Humvees fight for parking spaces. The son of a powerful general, Victor has his future mapped out for him. He went to school in Versailles, speaks French and English, and now studies politics at the University of Oklahoma. “My mother wanted us to get a foreign education so we could come back and control the country,” he says. The shooting range is where Victor and his friends go to relax. “I’ve grown up with guns and soldiers all around me,” he says, laying out a private arsenal on a table: two automatic assault rifles, two Glock pistols, one sniper’s rifle, one iPhone.

Victor and his generation are Cambodia’s future. Will they use their education and wealth to lift their less fortunate compatriots out of poverty? Or will they simply continue their parents’ fevered pursuit of money and power? Britain’s Department for International Development (DFID), which gave almost $US30 million of its taxpayers’ money to the country in the last fiscal year, offered one answer in June, when it announced the closure of its Cambodia office by 2011. The official reason? “It was felt UK aid could have a larger impact … where there are greater numbers of poor people and fewer international donors,” said a DFID statement. But the development agency might also have tired of throwing money at a nation where so much poverty can be blamed on a grasping political elite—and their luxury-loving children. (Australia clearly has not: it has allocated $61.4 million in development assistance to Cambodia for 2009-10.)

Depressingly, the Khmer Riche Kids sometimes seem indistinguishable from the old colonial ruling class. They were educated overseas—partly because their families’ wealth made them targets for kidnapping gangs—and often speak better English than Khmer. They carry US dollars – only poor people pay with Cambodian riel – and live in newly built neoclassical mansions so large that the city’s old French architecture looks like Lego by comparison. And their connection to the Cambodian masses is almost non-existent.

Sophy, 22, is the daughter of a Deputy Prime Minister. Rich, doll-like and self-obsessed, she could be the Paris Hilton of Cambodia. She imports party shoes from Singapore, brands them “Sophy & Sina” (Sina is her sister-in-law), hen displays them in her own multistory boutique. It has six staff, no customers and a slogan: “It’s all aboutme.” Sophy’s name is spelled out in sparkling stones on the back of her car, a Merc so pimped up that I have to ask her what make it is. “It’s a Sophy!” she replies.

We meet at her hair salon, where she is prepping a model for a fashion shoot for a magazine she is starting up with her brother Sopheary, 28, and their cousin Noh Sar, 26,. All three were educated abroad and prefer to speak English together. Sopheary, who studied in New York state, seems both amused and slightly embarrassed by his wealth and privilege. “What can you do?” he asks. “Your parents give you all these things. You can’t say no. If someone gives you cake, you eat it.”

Talk to Sopheary and his friends, and Cambodia’s tragic history seems very far away. The genocidal Khmer Rouge blew up banks and outlawed money before being driven from power in 1979. Later came the 1991 Paris Accords, and the plunder of Cambodia’s rich natural resources—forests, fisheries, land –began in earnest. Cambodia’s official economy largely depend on garment, exports, but there is a much larger shadow economy in which only the ruthless and the well-connected survived and prosper. “If you’re doing business, you have to know someone high up, so he has your back,” says Victor.

The closer you get to Hun Sen, Cambodia’s autocratic Prime Minister, the better connected you are. Hun Sen staged a bloody coup d’etat in 1997 and has kept an iron grip on power ever since. Opponents have been silenced while loyalists have grown rich. This includes ministers, a handful of tycoons and generals. Cambodians are often driven from their land by soldiers or military police. Formerly a French possession, Cambodia has been colonized all over again, this time by its own greedy elite.

But the Khmer Riche have a problem. “None of them can answer a simple question: where does all your money come from?” says a Western journalist in Phnom Penh. Ask Cambodian ministers how they got so rich on a meager government salary, and they will reply, “My wife is good at business.”

When I ask Noh Sar, whose father is a senior customs official, why he is so wealthy, he gives me a slight variation: “My mother works a lot.”

Victor’s mother is also good at business, according to “Country for Sale,” an investigation into the elite published by the London-based corruption watchdog Global Witness in February 2009. “She is a key player in RCAF [Royal Cambodian Armed Forces] patronage politics, holding a fearsome reputation among her husband’s subordinates on account of her frequent demands for money,” says the report. “RCAF sources have told Global Witness that military officers sometimes bribe [her] in order to increase the chances of her “close connections” to a major timber smuggler.

It is only in the past few years that the children of Cambodian’s elite have grown confident enough to show off their family’s wealth. “If you want people to respect you in Cambodia, you must have a good car, good diamonds, a good cell phone,” explains Ouch Vichet, 28, better known as Richard. “It’s an I’m-richer-than-you competition.” Richard is quite a competitor: he drives a $US150,000 Cadillac Escalade and wears a $US2,500 Hermes watch and a $US13,000 2.5-carat diamond ring. He doesn’t have a bodyguard, although some friends keep them as status symbols.

Richard was sent to New Zealand to be educated after a gang tired to abduct his brother. He is a short, affable man with an impish grin. In a city where the elite have a tribal suspicion of outsiders, he is refreshingly candid about his wealth. “My money is from my parents,” he says, and then breaks it down. They gave him a villa, half a million US dollars, and a 400-hectar rubber plantation that will generate income for the rest of Richard’s life. His parents-in-law gave him $US100,000 in cash and another villa, worth $200,000, which he sold and invested in real estate. Richard also runs a busy Phnom Penh nightclub called Emerald – his parents made their first fortune in gems – which provides him with “pocket money”. A party of rich kids can spend $US2,000 on drinks in a single night, more than an average Cambodian earns in 3 years.

His parents’ second, much larger, fortune comes from real estate. A few years ago they bought about five hectares of land just outside Phnom Penh for $US14 a square metre, then sold it for $US120 a square metre two years later, making more than $US5 million in profit. “Where else can you make profits like that?” grins Richard. “It’s crazy money.” He has a daughter called Emerald and a son called Benz. (His other Benz is a GL450.) They all live with his parents in a newly built mansion.

Yet Richard’s house is modest by the operatic standards of Phnom Penh’s Tuol Kuok precinct, part of which was once a notorious red-light district. A taxi driver shows me the neighborhood – it’s like a “homes of the stars” tour in Beverly Hills, except that Tuol Kuok’s backstreets are piled with rubbish. My driver points out giant mansion after mansion, and tells me who lives there. Hun Sen’s son, Hun Sen’s daughter, Secretary of State at the Ministry of Labour. A Deputy PM—Sophy and Sopheary’s dad. A four-mansion compound with lots of razor wire, and a gate guarded by special forces soldiers – Victor’s family.

Tuol Kuok’s houses are well-guarded for a reason: until there was real estate to invest in, many wealthy Cambodians kept their money at home in bricks of cash. “We don’t trust banks,” says Richard. “The old generation kept their money under the bed. The new generation keep it in safes in their houses.” Victor says his family also stays away from banks, but for a slightly different reason. “If you put your money in a bank, everyone will know how much you have,” he explains.

I had also heard that rich Cambodians had repatriated hundreds of millions of dirty dollars from Singapore banks after a post-September 11 shake up of global banking, and that his money had helped fuel the land speculation.

For the children, the wealth comes with one big condition: they must do what Mum and Dad tell them. “I wanted to go to art school but my parents wouldn’t let me,” says Sopheary. Most kids dutifully join the family business—Richard translated for his father during overseas gem-buying trips. For some, that business is politics. Concept like nepotism and conflict of interest don’t count for much in Cambodia. Commerce Minister Cham Prasidh—whose giant house resembles an airport departure hall, one with its own jet-ski lake – gave a ministry position to his wife and made his daughter his chief of cabinet. Cambodia’s ambassadors to Britain and Japan are brothers, and their boss is also their father: Foreign Minister Hor Namhong. He says he hired his sons on merit. “It’s not nepotism,” he insists.

Their parents also expect them to marry young—men in their 20’s, women in their teens—and strategically, meaning to someone from a rich and influential family. These marriages are often arranged. “It’s like medieval times in France,” complains Victor, still a bachelor. This means that many high-society Cambodians soon find themselves trapped in loveless unions; affairs are common. Sophy was married off at 17 to the son of the rich and powerful Interior Minister.

The web of marriages binds together Cambodia’s political and business elite and ensures the ruling Cambodian People’s Party’s stranglehold on power. At the centre of the web sits Prime Minister Hun Sen. His three sons and two daughters are all married to the children of senior ruling party politicians or, in the case of his son Hun Manit, to the daughter of the late national police chief. Now in his 30’s, Hun Manit is being groomed to succeed his father. He graduated from West Point, the US military academy, in 1999, amid protests by members of the US Congress over his father’s human rights record. In July, Global Witness urged the British Government to revoke the visa of the Cambodian Prime Minister, who visited Bristol University to watch Hun Manit receive a doctorate in economics.

Senior Khmer Rouge figures such as Comrade Duch, the mass-murdering commandant of Tuol Sleng prison, are currently on trial at a United Nations-based tribunal in Phnom Penh. The Khmer Riche, on the other hand, remain above the law. Victor displays a military VIP sticker on the front dash of his Mercedes. “It means the police cannot touch me,” he says. Richard is an advisor to a military police commander, which also effectively grants him legal immunity.

Many of his generations abuse such privileges. Last August Hun Chea, a nephew of the Prime Minister, hit a motorcyclist with his Cadillac, ripping off the man’s leg and arm. Hun Chea tried to drive off but couldn’t because the accident had shredded a tyre. Military police arrived, removed the car’s license plates and, according to “The Phnom Penh Post”, told Hun Chea: “Don’t worry. It wasn’t your mistake.” Hun Chea walked away. The motorcyclist bled to death on the road.

Hun Sen has yet another bad-boy nephew, the widely feared and mega-wealthy Hun To (“Little Hun”). In 2006 a newspaper editor filed a lawsuit against Hun To for alleged death threats, then fled overseas to seek asylum with the United Nations’ help. Hun To was also once spotted sitting in his luxury speedboat, its sound system cranked up high, being towed around Phnom Penh by a Humvee. A few weeks before, Victor had been in Los Angeles, where he test-drove Hun To’s latest acquisition before it was put in a Cambodia-bound shipping container: a $US500,000 Mercedes McLaren SLR supercar.” He has already built a special garage for it,” says Victor.

Victor will not – dare not—criticize Hun To. But he is critical of Cambodian society. “From top to bottom, everyone is corrupt,” he says. He hopes to one day set up a foundation to help poor Cambodians send their children to study overseas. “We want to change things, but we’ll have to wait until our parents retire,” he says.

But older generation shows no sign of retiring – not when there’s so much cake left to eat. In January, foreign donors pledged $US1 billion to Cambodia, its biggest aid package yet. The Government relies on foreign aid for almost half its budget. It could break this reliance by exploiting its reserves of oil, gas and minerals: the International Monetary Fund estimates Cambodia’s annual oil revenues alone could reach $US1.7 billion by 2021. Could, but probably won’t. Why? Because the same elite who cut down the trees and sold off the land are now poised to extract the oil and minerals, with the help of their children.

Some Hun Sen loyalists have already been allocated exploratory mining licences. One of them is General Meas Sophea, the army chief. He recently hired a temp to act as his foreign liaison officer. The temp is his son. His son’s name is Victor.
Nikkie_nid
I like the first sentence:
"Living in one of the poorest country, they are driving one of the most expensive car."

And yes, that reflex not only the livelihood of those rich kids, but also the "stupid richie" manner of the rich in Cambodia.

Most rich people in Cambodia actually have a poor background... if you know what I mean, they come to power or wealthiness because of the aftermath of the war. And for those people who lacks aristocracy and the real culture of rich people, they are fooling themselves with their wealth, power and foreign culture.

I do feel bad when discussing this topic, cos sometimes I ride motorbike along the road and see poor students struggling for better education, when these "kids" skip schools, commit childish things and still can afford some tools which most elderly people of his could not.

For me, I think they will meet their eventual downfall, but I cannot tell how long.

The reason to base my claim is that even though these people might have power, money and "bonds" inside their workplace, but living in a working environment, dealing with public (public relation) and the complexity of policy implementation is far more difficult than they could control with those. The parent of these kids should do something with their education to ensure a strong root of unity, cos once they are fooled by happiness, they would not be able to deal with hardship. I believe that they will start depending on other people's talent... money will start flowing off their hands. I do feel that even they have money, they still require technical and interpersonal knowledge to control their status.

Trust me, "sin" does exist...
Kingkhmer
I bet that my hard earn Tax money goes to those bastard kids.
preahvihear
QUOTE (Nikkie_nid @ Dec 20 2009, 06:01 AM) *
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That is all you can get from the article????? confused.gif Don't you see a bigger DESTRUCTION for Cambodia and its millions of citizens as long as these old and young leeches continue to abuse their privileges. I thought YOU were the BIG ONE who is into WORSHIPPING the Cambodian Judiciary system of Cambodia???? embarassedlaugh.gif Remember the way you bashed Sam Rainsy earlier??? Well in this article alone the elite and their rich children are all ABOVE the LAW in Cambodia. They carry guns and can or a killing or a death threat to anyone outside their elite circle without getting in trouble with the law. In addition, they don't create or invest in Cambodia at all. They keep ALL of their money in their mansions or in banks in other countries. icon_sad.gif They spend their money abroad, helping other foreigners' economy instead. Basically, they leech off Cambodia. I wish and wish that these mega rich Cambodia elite people would INVEST in various needed industries in Cambodia to provide jobs to people.
preahvihear
QUOTE (Kingkhmer @ Dec 20 2009, 09:51 AM) *
I bet that my hard earn Tax money goes to those bastard kids.


Agreed with you there. The Cambodian elite are basically gangster people. They all started out with lowly origins.
east1999
stop hatin,
preahvihear
QUOTE (east1999 @ Dec 20 2009, 11:23 PM) *
stop hatin,


Huh? why don't you read what is written: ""KHMER RICHE" They live in one of the poorest countries on earth, yet they drive flash cars, dwell in mansions and scorn their impoverished brethren. Andrew Marshall meets the rich sons and daughters of Cambodia elite.

embarassedlaugh.gif They already HATE others already, unless you are one of them $hitty mega riche kids studying abroad and that is why you are defending these $hitty low immoral people. embarassedlaugh.gif
Nikkie_nid
QUOTE (preahvihear @ Dec 21 2009, 02:59 AM) *
That is all you can get from the article????? confused.gif Don't you see a bigger DESTRUCTION for Cambodia and its millions of citizens as long as these old and young leeches continue to abuse their privileges. I thought YOU were the BIG ONE who is into WORSHIPPING the Cambodian Judiciary system of Cambodia???? embarassedlaugh.gif Remember the way you bashed Sam Rainsy earlier??? Well in this article alone the elite and their rich children are all ABOVE the LAW in Cambodia. They carry guns and can or a killing or a death threat to anyone outside their elite circle without getting in trouble with the law. In addition, they don't create or invest in Cambodia at all. They keep ALL of their money in their mansions or in banks in other countries. icon_sad.gif They spend their money abroad, helping other foreigners' economy instead. Basically, they leech off Cambodia. I wish and wish that these mega rich Cambodia elite people would INVEST in various needed industries in Cambodia to provide jobs to people.


Preah Vihear, first of all, I'd like to tell you that I don't want to get into political talks anymore. Thus, please don't try to drag me there. My comments would be more general now.

Anyway, I appreciate your effort that you spend reading my comments. If you are aware, then you should understand that this is "my opinion." And I clearly say at the end of my post that "SIN does exist." Is that clear that I am also care about the poorer now?
preahvihear
QUOTE (Nikkie_nid @ Dec 21 2009, 02:23 AM) *
you should understand that this is "my opinion." ...I am also care about the poorer now?


Like you said, it is your OPINION that you think and believe that you care about the poor of Cambodia. I am not talking about politics at all. I am talking about daily reality of the elite and the poor of Cambodia. For example, Kohsantepheap ran a news story about a motorscooter driver who couldn't pay tax on his motorscooter and the police ended up taking possession of it. The man pleaded with the police to return his motorscooter because it was the only means that he could provide his family with some money. The police refused. This is a reality of millions of Cambodian on a daily basis while the mega rich people don't ever have to pay any taxes at all. Mega rich Cambodians spend over 2,000 dollars per night and that much money can last a single Cambodian up to 3 long years. Again I am not talking about politics. So don't get confused. Here is another one from Dap-News: A drunken high ranking police commander sped in the alley then stopped, got out and he and his men pulled a mechanic from his workplace to beat up repeatedly without any causes. Now the mechanic sued the cop, but people do not think he will win. Again this is a reality. Andrew Marshall the author of the article clearly points out that just like foreign colonial masters, the Cambodia's elite are COLONIZING Cambodia and its people. That is a reality, not politics. COLONIZERS of Cambodia only take and they don't give back. They keep taking and are addicted to taking more. Through history, COLONIZERS of Cambodia and Cambodians did not ever choose to develop or invest in Cambodia at all. Pol Pot took over Cambodia to eliminate the corruption and the incompetence of the so-called upper class of Cambodia, and all the people even the King went through that hard life experience, so why do the parents of these mega rich kids forget their immediate past so easily. Why do they want to lead a life of corruption and destruction of Cambodia? With so much money in their hands, I mean billions of dollars, why don't they create industries to provide jobs to the poor???? confused.gif The worst part is that these mega rich Cambodians HATE their own people, or maybe they don't think that they are Cambodians are at all because according to Andrew Marshall, these mega rich Cambodians are simply the new COLONIZERS of Cambodia. If you really understand Andrew Marshall's term, then you know that Cambodia and its poor are already in deep deep sh*t. Again, I am not talking about politics. Yes, the Cambodian farmers living near the boder areas along Vietnam do lost their farmland to the Viets whether you choose to accept it or not. There is no law in Cambodia that will protect those farmers' land at all. However, there is law to put those farmers in jail. Again, the elite of Cambodia are the colonizers of Cambodia. French colonizers did the same thing: They granted Khmer islands and territory to the neigboring countries without the Khmer people's permission. Again this is not politics. Ordinary Cambodians simply need an opportunity and that is all, and they can't even get that. Life is cheap and and life sucks in Cambodia because its elite are the worst COLONIZERS. icon_confused.gif
snookman
QUOTE (Nikkie_nid @ Dec 20 2009, 11:23 PM) *
Preah Vihear, first of all, I'd like to tell you that I don't want to get into political talks anymore. Thus, please don't try to drag me there. My comments would be more general now.

Anyway, I appreciate your effort that you spend reading my comments. If you are aware, then you should understand that this is "my opinion." And I clearly say at the end of my post that "SIN does exist." Is that clear that I am also care about the poorer now?


nikkie nid is truly western now embarassedlaugh.gif. wow, your english has improve a lot. i dont blame u for avoiding politics. u do live under hun sen.

its not hating by the way. its call be a responsible human being. these rich cambodians are the poor people who stole from the rich by killing off their competition when they had a chance like thirty years ago. funny, i thought they were communists Talktohand.gif.
kevo
Nikki.....I applaud you for trying to be level headed in the WASTELANDS of AF, if anybody has the authority to speak about life in Cambodia it would be you. Because, you live there 24/7-365 & are witness firsthand to what some overseas Khmers only read about/ see on tv & not get the full picture & reality of what's it like outside of the comfort & safety of living overseas.

Nikki...don't let some of the comments directed at you get you down...keep doing what you're doing for the your future & the future of the Khmer people in Cambodia....You guys are the true future of Cambodia & your hardwork & experiences can only be an asset to help Cambodia grow from the inside & get back to greatness.
sucre
^
Agreed. The OP isn't even Khmai that stupid loser.

Kingkhmer
QUOTE (preahvihear @ Dec 20 2009, 12:04 PM) *
Agreed with you there. The Cambodian elite are basically gangster people. They all started out with lowly origins.

Those bastard kids are more gangster than that the khmer gangsters in the U.S.
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (Nikkie_nid @ Dec 20 2009, 02:01 AM) *
I like the first sentence:
"Living in one of the poorest country, they are driving one of the most expensive car."

And yes, that reflex not only the livelihood of those rich kids, but also the "stupid richie" manner of the rich in Cambodia.

Most rich people in Cambodia actually have a poor background... if you know what I mean, they come to power or wealthiness because of the aftermath of the war. And for those people who lacks aristocracy and the real culture of rich people, they are fooling themselves with their wealth, power and foreign culture.

I do feel bad when discussing this topic, cos sometimes I ride motorbike along the road and see poor students struggling for better education, when these "kids" skip schools, commit childish things and still can afford some tools which most elderly people of his could not.

For me, I think they will meet their eventual downfall, but I cannot tell how long.

The reason to base my claim is that even though these people might have power, money and "bonds" inside their workplace, but living in a working environment, dealing with public (public relation) and the complexity of policy implementation is far more difficult than they could control with those. The parent of these kids should do something with their education to ensure a strong root of unity, cos once they are fooled by happiness, they would not be able to deal with hardship. I believe that they will start depending on other people's talent... money will start flowing off their hands. I do feel that even they have money, they still require technical and interpersonal knowledge to control their status.

Trust me, "sin" does exist...

R u a oversea khmer or one of those Cambodian leeches?
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (east1999 @ Dec 20 2009, 08:23 PM) *
stop hatin,

Stop Hating????? my tax dollars are being spent by those Cambodia leeches. My tax dollar is suppose to help the poor, not one eye Hun Sen and those leeches. embarassedlaugh.gif
snookman
QUOTE (Kingkhmer @ Dec 21 2009, 08:01 PM) *
Stop Hating????? my tax dollars are being spent by those Cambodia leeches. My tax dollar is suppose to help the poor, not one eye Hun Sen and those leeches. embarassedlaugh.gif


the only solution for this is if hun sen decides to clean up the government cause he is the only man in cambodia who can change that because he controls the guns. i think a big reason why the rich in cambodia continue to amass all this money without even thinking how much money they have is because they arent expose to the modern developed way of living. when u grow up in a culture of people stepping on people and cars having the right of way over a pedestrian. it would only make sense that the rich or government could give a $hit about these other cambodians cause to them, they are just mere servants and slaves. no sense of human rights and equality. another way we can change, is to have the youth learn about the modern world and possibly they can decide for themselves, the type of country they want and to take responsibility for each other.

u see when the rich hoard all the money and dont allow a proper allocation of money to flow into society, u get the majority scrapping for money to support their families. thus, u get corrupt police officers who if paid a decent salary and have good physical and mental training with government regulation, u might clean up the dirtiness of the police officers who would do such an inhumane thing as taking a motorcyle from a poor man. thats just human injustice at its best.
ThaiLadyBoy
QUOTE (Kingkhmer @ Dec 21 2009, 10:01 PM) *
Stop Hating????? my tax dollars are being spent by those Cambodia leeches. My tax dollar is suppose to help the poor, not one eye Hun Sen and those leeches. embarassedlaugh.gif


you exactly right
ThaiLadyBoy
QUOTE (east1999 @ Dec 20 2009, 10:23 PM) *
stop hatin,


This guy is an idot. how can yo usay stop hating? thsi is not hating, this is expsoing the truth abbout cambodia today

I studied in cambodia in an international private school for a few years.. yes i was amongst all the foreign kdis in cambodia as well as the RICHEST khmer kids....I know how these kids are...naturally when i arrived in the school, my best freinds were the 2 other american khmer kids who arrived the same time as me... we were frens with all the kids in the school including the rich khmer kids in our class.. but let me tell you.. everything in this article is 100% true.. Many of them are really greedy and immature.... we got in jsut a normall highschool kid basketball fight one time at school,, ther were some punches thrown.. and after the fight the khmer kid jsut threateans my freind saying hes going to shoot his @$$ and make him suffer... after school we were outside the gates and that kid pulls up in his car and starts waiving his hand gun in the air then points it at my friend.. well thank God he didnt shoot but it jsut coems to show how fu-king backwards they are.....

the funny thing is the next day he got expelled so i hope he learned his lesson lol its so messed up though cuz the kdis at my school are 16 and 17 years old and there all driving Range rovers and escalades..... i was like wtf cambodia really needs to be mroe balanced... also i noticed that some of them sort of look down on other khmers and treat them liek ther not important.. its jsut insane because they are all khmer and i odnt understand how they could treat ther own people in such a bad way!

another time thers this famous street called street 51.. one night me and my fren were walkin and this street is very narrow by the way.. well this guy in a hummer comes speeding down the road liek 50 miles per hour.. next thing we see is his side mirror smaking into some indian tourist arm.. it was a big @$$ nosie and all the sudden He slammed on the brakes... the indian guy was jsut liek wtf and and grabbed his arm in pain.. then this short fat little tough guy hops out of the car holding the biggest pistol ive ever seen in my life... ...he walks up to hsi cars mirror and checks to see if thers any scratches or if it was broken.. then he was approching the tourist but his gf or wife or whatever grabbed on to him adn they went back into the car...

yeah i was pretty pisssed but we didnt say anything.. he should have atleast went and checked if the guy was ok.. they think to highly of themselves

but atleast thers some of them who dont waste all this money on things and are acually thinkin about cambodia future and finding ways to improve the poverty in cambodia

so yeah dont say stop hating.. you an Asssshole for that
trickystyle
QUOTE (ThaiLadyBoy @ Dec 22 2009, 07:08 AM) *
This guy is an idot. how can yo usay stop hating? thsi is not hating, this is expsoing the truth abbout cambodia today

I studied in cambodia in an international private school for a few years.. yes i was amongst all the foreign kdis in cambodia as well as the RICHEST khmer kids....I know how these kids are...naturally when i arrived in the school, my best freinds were the 2 other american khmer kids who arrived the same time as me... we were frens with all the kids in the school including the rich khmer kids in our class.. but let me tell you.. everything in this article is 100% true.. Many of them are really greedy and immature.... we got in jsut a normall highschool kid basketball fight one time at school,, ther were some punches thrown.. and after the fight the khmer kid jsut threateans my freind saying hes going to shoot his @$$ and make him suffer... after school we were outside the gates and that kid pulls up in his car and starts waiving his hand gun in the air then points it at my friend.. well thank God he didnt shoot but it jsut coems to show how fu-king backwards they are.....

the funny thing is the next day he got expelled so i hope he learned his lesson lol its so messed up though cuz the kdis at my school are 16 and 17 years old and there all driving Range rovers and escalades..... i was like wtf cambodia really needs to be mroe balanced... also i noticed that some of them sort of look down on other khmers and treat them liek ther not important.. its jsut insane because they are all khmer and i odnt understand how they could treat ther own people in such a bad way!

another time thers this famous street called street 51.. one night me and my fren were walkin and this street is very narrow by the way.. well this guy in a hummer comes speeding down the road liek 50 miles per hour.. next thing we see is his side mirror smaking into some indian tourist arm.. it was a big @$$ nosie and all the sudden He slammed on the brakes... the indian guy was jsut liek wtf and and grabbed his arm in pain.. then this short fat little tough guy hops out of the car holding the biggest pistol ive ever seen in my life... ...he walks up to hsi cars mirror and checks to see if thers any scratches or if it was broken.. then he was approching the tourist but his gf or wife or whatever grabbed on to him adn they went back into the car...

yeah i was pretty pisssed but we didnt say anything.. he should have atleast went and checked if the guy was ok.. they think to highly of themselves

but atleast thers some of them who dont waste all this money on things and are acually thinkin about cambodia future and finding ways to improve the poverty in cambodia

so yeah dont say stop hating.. you an Asssshole for that


so you are from america? that was the hardest thing to read just now. where did you learn how to write? spell check much? beerchug.gif

niki you have every right to think what you want especially because you live and breath cambodia everyday, not like the rest of us khmer kids here in the states. embarassedlaugh.gif
preahvihear
QUOTE (trickystyle @ Dec 22 2009, 03:09 PM) *
so you are from america? that was the hardest thing to read just now. where did you learn how to write? spell check much? beerchug.gif niki you have every right to think what you want especially because you live and breath cambodia everyday, not like the rest of us khmer kids here in the states. embarassedlaugh.gif


embarassedlaugh.gif You are attacking someone who is providing a real-life testimony? Lol. What a loser you truly are. You also attack his writing when his message comes through already? What a d!ck you truly are! Lol. What about your writting, have you taken a closer at it yet? Let me point some gross errors out for you, twirp. Yours is littered with miscapitalization usages and sentence fragments. So where do you learn to write, fool? Lol.Regarding Nikki, he does not condone the behavior of the newly Cambodian rich kids at all. He said that they lack the traditional aristocracy (upper class) characteristics. So what are you talking about? It is hard to be your stupid self, I know. embarassedlaugh.gif

Reread Nikki's statement:
QUOTE
"...the "stupid richie" manner of the rich in Cambodia. Most rich people in Cambodia actually have a poor background... if you know what I mean, they come to power or wealthiness because of the aftermath of the war. And for those people who lacks aristocracy and the real culture of rich people, they are fooling themselves with their wealth, power and foreign culture. ...poor students struggling for better education, when these "kids" skip schools, commit childish things and still can afford some tools which most elderly people of his could not. For me, I think they will meet their eventual downfall, but I cannot tell how long. ...Trust me, "sin" does exist..."
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (preahvihear @ Dec 22 2009, 12:49 PM) *
embarassedlaugh.gif You are attacking someone who is providing a real-life testimony? Lol. What a loser you truly are. You also attack his writing when his message comes through already? What a d!ck you truly are! Lol. What about your writting, have you taken a closer at it yet? Let me point some gross errors out for you, twirp. Yours is littered with miscapitalization usages and sentence fragments. So where do you learn to write, fool? Lol.Regarding Nikki, he does not condone the behavior of the newly Cambodian rich kids at all. He said that they lack the traditional aristocracy (upper class) characteristics. So what are you talking about? It is hard to be your stupid self, I know. embarassedlaugh.gif

Reread Nikki's statement:

Nikki is from Cambodia?
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (ThaiLadyBoy @ Dec 22 2009, 04:08 AM) *
This guy is an idot. how can yo usay stop hating? thsi is not hating, this is expsoing the truth abbout cambodia today

I studied in cambodia in an international private school for a few years.. yes i was amongst all the foreign kdis in cambodia as well as the RICHEST khmer kids....I know how these kids are...naturally when i arrived in the school, my best freinds were the 2 other american khmer kids who arrived the same time as me... we were frens with all the kids in the school including the rich khmer kids in our class.. but let me tell you.. everything in this article is 100% true.. Many of them are really greedy and immature.... we got in jsut a normall highschool kid basketball fight one time at school,, ther were some punches thrown.. and after the fight the khmer kid jsut threateans my freind saying hes going to shoot his @$$ and make him suffer... after school we were outside the gates and that kid pulls up in his car and starts waiving his hand gun in the air then points it at my friend.. well thank God he didnt shoot but it jsut coems to show how fu-king backwards they are.....

the funny thing is the next day he got expelled so i hope he learned his lesson lol its so messed up though cuz the kdis at my school are 16 and 17 years old and there all driving Range rovers and escalades..... i was like wtf cambodia really needs to be mroe balanced... also i noticed that some of them sort of look down on other khmers and treat them liek ther not important.. its jsut insane because they are all khmer and i odnt understand how they could treat ther own people in such a bad way!

another time thers this famous street called street 51.. one night me and my fren were walkin and this street is very narrow by the way.. well this guy in a hummer comes speeding down the road liek 50 miles per hour.. next thing we see is his side mirror smaking into some indian tourist arm.. it was a big @$$ nosie and all the sudden He slammed on the brakes... the indian guy was jsut liek wtf and and grabbed his arm in pain.. then this short fat little tough guy hops out of the car holding the biggest pistol ive ever seen in my life... ...he walks up to hsi cars mirror and checks to see if thers any scratches or if it was broken.. then he was approching the tourist but his gf or wife or whatever grabbed on to him adn they went back into the car...

yeah i was pretty pisssed but we didnt say anything.. he should have atleast went and checked if the guy was ok.. they think to highly of themselves

but atleast thers some of them who dont waste all this money on things and are acually thinkin about cambodia future and finding ways to improve the poverty in cambodia

so yeah dont say stop hating.. you an Asssshole for that

Thailadyboy, I like love your story. I heard a lot those $hit about those leeches. I hope that if I see them in the State, I will beat the $hit of them.
trickystyle
QUOTE (preahvihear @ Dec 22 2009, 03:49 PM) *
embarassedlaugh.gif You are attacking someone who is providing a real-life testimony? Lol. What a loser you truly are. You also attack his writing when his message comes through already? What a d!ck you truly are! Lol. What about your writting, have you taken a closer at it yet? Let me point some gross errors out for you, twirp. Yours is littered with miscapitalization usages and sentence fragments. So where do you learn to write, fool? Lol.Regarding Nikki, he does not condone the behavior of the newly Cambodian rich kids at all. He said that they lack the traditional aristocracy (upper class) characteristics. So what are you talking about? It is hard to be your stupid self, I know. embarassedlaugh.gif

Reread Nikki's statement:



calm down before you get aneurism. embarassedlaugh.gif

east1999
QUOTE (Kingkhmer @ Dec 23 2009, 09:54 AM) *
Thailadyboy, I like love your story. I heard a lot those $hit about those leeches. I hope that if I see them in the State, I will beat the $hit of them.



now you have become one of them, idiot
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (east1999 @ Dec 23 2009, 08:08 AM) *
now you have become one of them, idiot

What is your problem fool?
east1999
I just hate hypocrite, that all
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (east1999 @ Dec 23 2009, 08:32 AM) *
I just hate hypocrite, that all

R u supporting these Cambodian leeches?
preahvihear
QUOTE (Kingkhmer @ Dec 23 2009, 09:42 AM) *
Nikki is from Cambodia?


Yes, KingKhmer. Nikki is from Cambodia. However, I don't like his bashing of Sam Rainsy's activities to bring to light the land losses of the Cambodian farmers by the hands of the Vietnamese. The dude Nikki keeps saying that Sam Rainsy should use the law instead. embarassedlaugh.gif The CPP people do not ever go by their own established rules. Just look at this article alone. I mean look at that CPP Person who ran over a Cambodian person ripping his arm and leg and then when the police came the police said that the CPP Person was not at fault and then to bring the case to an end, the police just let that badly injured victim bleed to death. This is the CPP judiciary system that Nikki subscribes to. embarassedlaugh.gif Look at the border situation with Vietnam right now. The high ranking Cambodian official says that if the Cambodians do not want the Vietnamese touch their farmland then the Cambodian must move it to the "SKY". WTF? Then he also says that if the Cambodians see that the Vietnamese border line gets inside the old Cambodian territory, it means that the Cambodian bordern line also gets inside the Vietnamese territory. WTF? confused.gif Why don't they just use the FRENCH Map. While the Cambodian farmers protest the loss of their farmland to the Vietnamese, we have never heard of the Vietnamese protesting losing any land to the Cambodian side at all. That is the kind of CPP judiciary system that Nikki is putting his total faith in Cambodia. –elaugh

Look at the way the CPP Elite is describe by Andrew Marshall: "Cambodia has been colonized all over again, this time by its own greedy elite."
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (preahvihear @ Dec 23 2009, 02:26 PM) *
Yes, KingKhmer. Nikki is from Cambodia. However, I don't like his bashing of Sam Rainsy's activities to bring to light the land losses of the Cambodian farmers by the hands of the Vietnamese. The dude Nikki keeps saying that Sam Rainsy should use the law instead. embarassedlaugh.gif The CPP people do not ever go by their own established rules. Just look at this article alone. I mean look at that CPP Person who ran over a Cambodian person ripping his arm and leg and then when the police came the police said that the CPP Person was not at fault and then to bring the case to an end, the police just let that badly injured victim bleed to death. This is the CPP judiciary system that Nikki subscribes to. embarassedlaugh.gif Look at the border situation with Vietnam right now. The high ranking Cambodian official says that if the Cambodians do not want the Vietnamese touch their farmland then the Cambodian must move it to the "SKY". WTF? Then he also says that if the Cambodians see that the Vietnamese border line gets inside the old Cambodian territory, it means that the Cambodian bordern line also gets inside the Vietnamese territory. WTF? confused.gif Why don't they just use the FRENCH Map. While the Cambodian farmers protest the loss of their farmland to the Vietnamese, we have never heard of the Vietnamese protesting losing any land to the Cambodian side at all. That is the kind of CPP judiciary system that Nikki is putting his total faith in Cambodia. –elaugh

Look at the way the CPP Elite is describe by Andrew Marshall: "Cambodia has been colonized all over again, this time by its own greedy elite."

If she is bashing Sam Rainsy's activites, she must be Hun Sen supporter. Also, I'm wondering where she get the money to learn English.
preahvihear
QUOTE (Kingkhmer @ Dec 23 2009, 08:07 PM) *
If she is bashing Sam Rainsy's activites, she must be Hun Sen supporter. Also, I'm wondering where she get the money to learn English.


Hey KingKhmer, Nikki is a dude. It is a strange phenomon in Cambodia to see these well-to-do youngsters love to adopt female names of Western world. embarassedlaugh.gif I don't know much about the person Nikki, but yes the person can communicate limitedly in English. I bet his family is one of them CPP people.
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (preahvihear @ Dec 23 2009, 04:32 PM) *
Hey KingKhmer, Nikki is a dude. It is a strange phenomon in Cambodia to see these well-to-do youngsters love to adopt female names of Western world. embarassedlaugh.gif I don't know much about the person Nikki, but yes the person can communicate limitedly in English. I bet his family is one of them CPP people.

All this time I thought Nikki is girl. Anyways,I agree with Preah Vihear that Nikki's family is member of the Corrupted People Party. The only one that hated Sam Rainsy is the CPP and Nikki statement about Sam Rainsy is a 100% CPP.
kevo
QUOTE (Kingkhmer @ Dec 23 2009, 06:54 PM) *
All this time I thought Nikki is girl. Anyways,I agree with Preah Vihear that Nikki's family is member of the Corrupted People Party. The only one that hated Sam Rainsy is the CPP and Nikki statement about Sam Rainsy is a 100% CPP.



NikkiNid is his AF screen name.......his real name is DENITH or that's what it says on his website/ blog......he has a blog/ website that he posts & freely shares his experiences of growing up in Cambodia & witnessing all the changes going on around Cambodia & freely share information about himself to the world.....Don't be so quick to judge someone before you get to know them first.

Why not check his website/blog out first & have a converstaion with him before you pass judgement & go by someone else's word.....Treat people how you want to be treated!!!
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (kevo @ Dec 23 2009, 09:35 PM) *
NikkiNid is his AF screen name.......his real name is DENITH or that's what it says on his website/ blog......he has a blog/ website that he posts & freely shares his experiences of growing up in Cambodia & witnessing all the changes going on around Cambodia & freely share information about himself to the world.....Don't be so quick to judge someone before you get to know them first.

Why not check his website/blog out first & have a converstaion with him before you pass judgement & go by someone else's word.....Treat people how you want to be treated!!!

Yeah I check his cute blog. He is nothing but a Youn hiding under khmer skin. I know that he is a CPP supporter, the way he talks about Sam Rainsy in his statement.
snookman
QUOTE (Kingkhmer @ Dec 24 2009, 06:40 AM) *
Yeah I check his cute blog. He is nothing but a Youn hiding under khmer skin. I know that he is a CPP supporter, the way he talks about Sam Rainsy in his statement.


i wouldnt go as far as saying nikki nid is a bad guy. i think he is pretty fair in his thinking. much more grounded then lets say a "rich kid". just because he is well off, doesnt mean his family has to be in government. maybe his family has a successful business or maybe he works for some organization that pays u western type of salary in a third world country. alhtough, anyone that bashes sam rainsy is an idiot though. there is no man in government in cambodia that stands for the good of the country like sam rainsy. i'll tell u what, if sam rainsy was in power, corruption would be low. thats what sam rainsy is fighting for .

here's the problem with corruption in cambodia from what i've heard from locals. sometimes, people in power want to make a difference also but because there is a line of people getting their cuts, u either have to take the cut and play the game or get cut out yourself. so what are u going to do. do u get rich out of hte sake of your countrymen or do u get cast out back into society. i dont know too much about hun sen politics, but i agree the man is charismatic and fit to be a leader of some kind. although, i am not sure about his politics. can someone tell me, the type of policies he has done whether good or bad.
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (snookman @ Dec 24 2009, 09:10 AM) *
i wouldnt go as far as saying nikki nid is a bad guy. i think he is pretty fair in his thinking. much more grounded then lets say a "rich kid". just because he is well off, doesnt mean his family has to be in government. maybe his family has a successful business or maybe he works for some organization that pays u western type of salary in a third world country. alhtough, anyone that bashes sam rainsy is an idiot though. there is no man in government in cambodia that stands for the good of the country like sam rainsy. i'll tell u what, if sam rainsy was in power, corruption would be low. thats what sam rainsy is fighting for .

here's the problem with corruption in cambodia from what i've heard from locals. sometimes, people in power want to make a difference also but because there is a line of people getting their cuts, u either have to take the cut and play the game or get cut out yourself. so what are u going to do. do u get rich out of hte sake of your countrymen or do u get cast out back into society. i dont know too much about hun sen politics, but i agree the man is charismatic and fit to be a leader of some kind. although, i am not sure about his politics. can someone tell me, the type of policies he has done whether good or bad.

If that fu-ker Hun Sen is fit to be a leader. Why, Cambodia is so fu-k up. He been a PM for fu-king 30 years and the country is way behind from other countries. Hun Sen policies are bunch of crap. Regrading, Mr. CPP supporter, he is nothing but hun Sen lover.
victord1
There are goods and bads in any of these so-called political leaders. To say that Sam Ransey is the better than Hun Sen is an overgeneralization and short sighted. It's like saying Sam Ransey is never corrupt and Hun Sen is never good.

About those rich kids..............yeah most of them are spoilled pretty badly. But there are a few good ones. The way I see it: just like their parents', their days
are also numbered. If they don't start getting their acts together and setting up a future/career, they'd probably end up in the worst way.

beerchug.gif


snookman
QUOTE (victord1 @ Dec 25 2009, 07:40 AM) *
There are goods and bads in any of these so-called political leaders. To say that Sam Ransey is the better than Hun Sen is an overgeneralization and short sighted. It's like saying Sam Ransey is never corrupt and Hun Sen is never good.

About those rich kids..............yeah most of them are spoilled pretty badly. But there are a few good ones. The way I see it: just like their parents', their days
are also numbered. If they don't start getting their acts together and setting up a future/career, they'd probably end up in the worst way.

beerchug.gif


the only reason why hun sen is in power in cambodia is because he has the military. lets not forget how he came into power. he brought his big boy ways with his tanks and ak 47s of soldiers into the city and basically terrorized his way to power. thats not democracy. thats a dictatorship. lets put it this way, the growth of the country is not because of hun sen. the growth of the country is because anything is still better then $hit (those are not my words, but the words of an educated man who has lived in cambodia). sam rainsy on the other hand, goes out to the people and educates the masses about human rights. fights for labor laws for workers. demands that peasants get money for lost lands. if he wasnt seen as a threat to the government, then why so many times, he gets chased out of cambodia. why does he have to come to the western world such as long beach california to get donations from americans so he can run his politics in cambodia. thats because he doesnt steal from the people. although, the fact the his party got something like 20 seats in the last election for the parliment means something possibly could be changing. possibly hun sen is loosening his grip on being a dictator. possibly the cpp understands that sam rainsy's party has ideologies that can help the country. or maybe, the people have spoken and hun sen doesnt want to deny sam rainsy's party, their seats. doesnt matter when the cpp is full in richness now and is still the majority of the parliment.

u obviously dont know anything about sam rainsy politics. its either that, or i really can see your true colors. let me tell u, khmers can be just as nasty as anyone else. even worse. khmers have a lot of anger for some reason that is a sign of troublesome people. its things like that, that makes me realize how something like the killing fields and gangs in america can occur. there is a deeprooted issue with our people and anger and the will to take it out if need be.

but, like i said, i like some stuff that hun sen has done. for one, a country that is so broken needs someone that can rule with an iron fists. its just too bad, he rules for the corruption side. cambodia is one of the most corrupt nations in the world. thus, regardless what he does, as long as corruption is high in cambodia, his politics will always be bad. because he doesnt improve the lives of the majority, only improves the lives of a few. not to mention hes leading the country towards a mexico type of existence where there is enough money in the country to create a nice social system, but instead u have poverty everywhere cause the few hoard everything. then people are force to live in a corrupt system with corrupt police officers, and pimps and hoes everywhere. parents selling their kids so they can get money for food.

although, i heard that cambodians in the countryside can make terrible decisions also. for instance, they have good land, so they sell their good land for let say 50000 dollars. instead of taking that money to invest in a business. they take that money to buy a nice car, nice clothes, spend all the money and relocate on useless land. then when the money runs out, they go back to poor, even worse then before. these are stories that i've heard about some of the khmers in the countryside. so we cant blame everything on the government especially when sometimes, the locals make bad financial decisions. that is the difference between a khmer and lets say a viet or chinese. viet and chinese make excellent business decisions cause they think big and plan for the future. khmers sometimes are just too content and just want the easy way. so dont get mad that they have or will have the power in the future. they just want it more then khmers.
snookman
anyone who supports or tolerates corrupt governments to me has to be questioned morally. sure its easy to say nothing is wrong with hun sen and his politics when u live in a developed society or u are one of the few who was fortunate enough to either eat at the table or happen to have the bits and crumbs that fall to the floor. but what about those that dont have. its like these people should really go and live in mexico, africa, or any other corrupt states in this world cause they dont want cambodia to be like singapore, taiwan, or any other developed nation. i question their morals cause in some ways they lke the slave and master mentality instead of the equality type of thinking.

lets not forget that singapore became singapore because their governments put trust into their people. their government because they trust their people, invested in their people so that their people can improve their own lives and thus, improve their country altogether in a more cohesive and balance manner. in some ways, if the khmer government say we cant trust the people that they will make good decisions then i say, why dont u pay for their education then. invest in the people and let the people invest in themselves. u have to give people opportunities to better themselves. its like if u have 1 person hoarding everything which was suppose to be distributed to 20 people. now u have 1 person controlling everything and making all the decisions which sometimes can be bad decisions in terms of growth for the country. but when u have 20 people making business decisions, u might get a few that actually creates a business that becomes an empire because the possibility is there. then our government can tax these companies if needed to allocate into society if needed during bad economic times. that is what u call the balance of right and leftwing ideologies. competition is good in that it forces business and people to innovate their business.

invest in the people because there is more power in 20 then in 1.
dinicthus
But, improving anyone but ME is not the goal of most people. Their belief system basically boils down to "me me me."

And, the same behavior that led to the Khmer rouge rising up and killing the elite once looks like it's on track to happen again.

There is only so long that you walk all over poor people with your 5,000 dollar shoes before they get together and decide to cut your legs off.

Looks like Cambodia hasn't changed.

But, this isn't just how it is in Cambodia. This is how it is almost anywhere you have rich folks. If grinding up poor people to feed to their pet dogs would make them more money, many of them would do it.

"Oh, it's not my responsibility" Sure. Believe that all you want, but it can get you and your whole class deader than dead. It already happened once in Cambodia. Hope they smarten up before it happens again.

What's funny is that there seems to be no limit to people's greed. When does it become enough to be a millionaire? A billionaire? A trillionaire?

When do you have enough that you finally say "Hey, I can afford to help other people get ahead! I can help my country out?

For many people, that level never seems to happen. If they have 20 bucks and they could help some poor kid on the street, for about 1/100th of a cent, they don't.

If they have 100 and could help their mother out for 10 bucks, they don't.

If they have a 1000... etc.

I have seen it all my life. So have you. In countries like Cambodia it might be more obvious, but it happens everywhere.
Nikkie_nid
There are several points people are making mistakes about me.

First of all, most people think I'm a girl... no I'm a boy.

Second is that I'm supporting CPP... truth is that I'm supporting my opinion.

Finally is that I'm a rich kid... I'm more of the opposite.

I wouldn't mind people making bad comments about me and my opinion. I've been through this ever since I start posting here. Not only against anti-government people, but I also sometimes get involved in war of words with Thai and Vietnamese people, as well as my personal arguments.

I could sometimes seems like politically bias toward one side. But as long as you guys can present me a pure, convincing reason then there is no reason to deny it.

KhmerKing sent me a beautiful message but that was just too normal for me. I'll response with a greeting.

Now back to the topic...

I agree that some rich kids here spend the amount of money poor people could not even earn. Talking about that, I would think that they seems less care about the problems. No! They don't care... and I witness a lot of mistreating. I could say I was sometimes a victim of such acts.

But in my own opinion, I would not blame them alone. First is that we will blame the government who is not able to handle the difference between the rich and poor more effectively and that injustice does occur in the first place. Second is that the rich family they are owning money from the poor people. Finally, the society. We should also see the society and its flaw... because Khmer society exists for many years and "classes" also follow its existence. We learn the word "slave" and it was not only for Khmer society, the whole world uses it.

And I also see the current social system as a supporting pillar for the rich, because even though the poor are allowed free education in the primary level, they are struggling with the social needs which lead them to abandon education, which is the key to their escape from poverty. And above all, much to your guys interest, corruption is the great obstacles for the poors to "challenge" the riches. I'm also powerless against that. You can blame me but what's next?

My resolution is not clear. We are the losers because we are weak. So what I'm focusing is my studying. Well then! I could become rich and your target of bashing. But for me, the future in within us all and we are the part of it.
Nikkie_nid
QUOTE (victord1 @ Dec 25 2009, 10:40 PM) *
There are goods and bads in any of these so-called political leaders. To say that Sam Ransey is the better than Hun Sen is an overgeneralization and short sighted. It's like saying Sam Ransey is never corrupt and Hun Sen is never good.

About those rich kids..............yeah most of them are spoilled pretty badly. But there are a few good ones. The way I see it: just like their parents', their days
are also numbered. If they don't start getting their acts together and setting up a future/career, they'd probably end up in the worst way.

beerchug.gif


Some of them are generous, but it depends on their origin. And again, I support my early arguments about their aristocratic background... biggrin.gif

preahvihear
QUOTE
There are several points people are making mistakes about me. First of all, most people think I'm a girl... no I'm a boy.


Well, you should not be wearing a typical female name as your username then. embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE
Second is that I'm supporting CPP... truth is that I'm supporting my opinion.


When your opinion is clearly biased toward CPP then it is natural that people will consider you a part of the CPP system.

QUOTE
Finally is that I'm a rich kid... I'm more of the opposite.


If you say so.

QUOTE
I could sometimes seems like politically bias toward one side. But as long as you guys can present me a pure, convincing reason then there is no reason to deny it.


So now do you still think that Cambodia does not lose any part of its current territory to Vietnam and Sam Rainsy's action is evil against the established law of the CPP? embarassedlaugh.gif Your bashing of Sam Rainsy and his party littered the forum. That is why people think that you are not a fairminded person. You argued for the defense of Cambodian territory against the Thai encroachment, but todate you have never argued for the defense of Cambodian territory against the Vietnamese encroachment. So how come?

QUOTE
I agree that some rich kids here spend the amount of money poor people could not even earn. Talking about that, I would think that they seems less care about the problems. No! They don't care... and I witness a lot of mistreating. I could say I was sometimes a victim of such acts.


Tell us more about your experience of mistreatment at the hands of these rich obnoxious kids.

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But in my own opinion, I would not blame them alone. First is that we will blame the government who is not able to handle the difference between the rich and poor more effectively and that injustice does occur in the first place. Second is that the rich family they are owning money from the poor people. Finally, the society. We should also see the society and its flaw... because Khmer society exists for many years and "classes" also follow its existence. We learn the word "slave" and it was not only for Khmer society, the whole world uses it.


The Khmer society and its classes??? confused.gif You mean the Funan society was the same as the Chenla society and the Chenla society was the same as Angkorean society and the Angkorean society was the same as the Post Angkorean society and the Post Angkorean society was the same as the French Colonial Cambodian society and the French Colonial Cambodian society was the same as Sihanouk regime and Sihanouk regime was the same as Lon Nol regime and Lon Nol regime was the same as Pol Pot regime and Pol Pot regime was the same as Hun Sen regime??? confused.gif Pol Pot already did away with "classes". So what classes are you talking about? In fact, if you want to talk about class, then Hun Sen is still of the lower class and all of the newly rich Cambodians are still of the lowe class. All you need to do is to trace these people's family lines back to the French colonial Cambodia. If they aint $hit during that time, then they aint $hit now. As far as I know Cambodian law through the ages does not allow slavery. So what slavery are you talking about. You need to correct your view that the whole world uses slavery. You might land yourself in jail say in a country of Japan if you say you own slaves. embarassedlaugh.gif

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And I also see the current social system as a supporting pillar for the rich, because even though the poor are allowed free education in the primary level, they are struggling with the social needs which lead them to abandon education, which is the key to their escape from poverty. And above all, much to your guys interest, corruption is the great obstacles for the poors to "challenge" the riches. I'm also powerless against that. You can blame me but what's next?


Society is a human invention and institutions are also human invention. Since you know so much of the Cambodian societal classes then you should understand this simple concept. You are not powerless. You need to vote for a new party to lead Cambodia and to make it a place of growth, prosperity, and justice and equality before the law. You can be as educated as you can be, but if there are no opportunities for you to grow, then you will become useless just the same. Look at all the educated people during the Pol Pot's era. What had become of them?

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My resolution is not clear. We are the losers because we are weak. So what I'm focusing is my studying. Well then! I could become rich and your target of bashing. But for me, the future in within us all and we are the part of it.


You totally lose it there, Nikki. Just because you are rich and you think you will be the target of bashing, you are wrong. We need good honest hardworking rich people who have a culture of providing services, creating jobs, investing in industries, research, science, projects, etc. If you are rich as a result of stealing Cambodia's national resources, bribery, extortion, oppression, and abuse of the poor, then you are not rich.

By the way, some of your understanding are outdated.





snookman
QUOTE (dinicthus @ Dec 26 2009, 02:39 PM) *
But, improving anyone but ME is not the goal of most people. Their belief system basically boils down to "me me me."

And, the same behavior that led to the Khmer rouge rising up and killing the elite once looks like it's on track to happen again.

There is only so long that you walk all over poor people with your 5,000 dollar shoes before they get together and decide to cut your legs off.

Looks like Cambodia hasn't changed.

But, this isn't just how it is in Cambodia. This is how it is almost anywhere you have rich folks. If grinding up poor people to feed to their pet dogs would make them more money, many of them would do it.

"Oh, it's not my responsibility" Sure. Believe that all you want, but it can get you and your whole class deader than dead. It already happened once in Cambodia. Hope they smarten up before it happens again.

What's funny is that there seems to be no limit to people's greed. When does it become enough to be a millionaire? A billionaire? A trillionaire?

When do you have enough that you finally say "Hey, I can afford to help other people get ahead! I can help my country out?

For many people, that level never seems to happen. If they have 20 bucks and they could help some poor kid on the street, for about 1/100th of a cent, they don't.

If they have 100 and could help their mother out for 10 bucks, they don't.

If they have a 1000... etc.

I have seen it all my life. So have you. In countries like Cambodia it might be more obvious, but it happens everywhere.


thats exactly it. khmer rouge were basically the poor country people who didnt want to be economically exploited and probably face the same type of persecution that the current structure is holding now. basically, this is all they know. this is all cambodia knows. that is the sad reality and why i believe the communist revolution was much worse in cambodia then anywhere else. the communist manifesto is of that, the working poor class get fed up of all the rich people in cambodia controlling everything and then they revolt to overthrow the bougousie class and then everything will be equal. what transpired after the revolution was a decade of no growth because cambodia was closed to the free market world. then when china opened and vietnam opened. cambodia followed because they realized that no growth wont occur unless they open.

here's the thing though why the current system is worse. its worse because we have to start from scratch and because of that, we have to depend on everyone else to help cause. this is where vietnam comes in but nothing is free. thats why the current government has to turn the other cheek whenever hanoi wants something for their own development.

the wrong thinking for the khmer rouge was that the old structure was actually good. the reason why money wasnt allocated properly was because we were still developing. but we were developing better then now imo. the streets were clean back then. we had our own factories, educational institutions, our own doctors and professionals, our own government and military. from what i heard, before the revolution, we were the number one rice exporter in the world. our riel was the same value as the dollar. phnom penh was known as paris of the east because of how clean and organize the city was. we had structure. the khmer rouge didnt realize that their lack of economic power was not because they didnt have access but because development takes time. these are just my opinion. why else would the people who survive the genocide have so much anamosity towards cambodia. even chinese cambodians went anti china because they feel it was china that brought this upon cambodia from what i heard about them protesting.

the point is i agree that the way we treat rich and poor people is probably the reason why the communist manifesto in cambodia was worse then anywhere else. yet, the current government is doing the same thing they fought against. thats because, THIS IS ALL THEY KNOW.
snookman
also, thats why its up to us cambodians who are living in the rich democratic nations to go back to cambodia and to show the people how to live civilized in a developing society. educate them by both lecturing them and also showing them. for instance, americans are the biggest tippers in this world. yes, many would question why do i have to tip. but, if u look at tipping, its actually a good system. it creates decent jobs for people who are hustling and bustling their butts to serve u for minimum wage. so tipping allows them to make a decent living, doing what they do. then they themselves can use that money to buy things for themselves which contributes to the economy. for instance, u own a flower store and u go eat at a restaurant and u tip the guy there. he then goes to your flower shop to buy flowers for his girlfriend. the money goes around and keeps the economy going.

the point is as an example is when i go to cambodia, i tip the workers there and many are so happy because they dont make a lot hourly. my homegirl from cambodia who is living in the states for about three years now said thats because people dont get tipped often. she has become a strong believer in tipping and when she went back, she tipped big on their standards. i heard now, the custom has caught on and some people are tipping now. my homegirl tells people when she goes there and spends dollars and say she spends five dollars for a meal. some people will tip like 1000 riel (25cents). she on the other hand will give one or two dollars. her mother said why so much. she said in america, we tip even more then that. if i do it over there as a custom, why not do it here. this way, it allows your average worker to make a decent living and most importantly they pick up the manner of sharing and gratitude. this will allow those students who work and go to school to understand the importance of gratitude and they when they become working class professionals in cambodia, they understand the importance of keeping such system in place. this is how many college students in america pay their way through college. we cambodians that are expose to the modern world should feel bless for what we have and we have the chance to make a change in our own country by exposing them to the positive lifestyle of living in a wealthy society.
Kingkhmer
QUOTE (Nikkie_nid @ Dec 26 2009, 11:00 PM) *
There are several points people are making mistakes about me.

First of all, most people think I'm a girl... no I'm a boy.

Second is that I'm supporting CPP... truth is that I'm supporting my opinion.

Finally is that I'm a rich kid... I'm more of the opposite.

I wouldn't mind people making bad comments about me and my opinion. I've been through this ever since I start posting here. Not only against anti-government people, but I also sometimes get involved in war of words with Thai and Vietnamese people, as well as my personal arguments.

I could sometimes seems like politically bias toward one side. But as long as you guys can present me a pure, convincing reason then there is no reason to deny it.

KhmerKing sent me a beautiful message but that was just too normal for me. I'll response with a greeting.

Now back to the topic...

I agree that some rich kids here spend the amount of money poor people could not even earn. Talking about that, I would think that they seems less care about the problems. No! They don't care... and I witness a lot of mistreating. I could say I was sometimes a victim of such acts.

But in my own opinion, I would not blame them alone. First is that we will blame the government who is not able to handle the difference between the rich and poor more effectively and that injustice does occur in the first place. Second is that the rich family they are owning money from the poor people. Finally, the society. We should also see the society and its flaw... because Khmer society exists for many years and "classes" also follow its existence. We learn the word "slave" and it was not only for Khmer society, the whole world uses it.

And I also see the current social system as a supporting pillar for the rich, because even though the poor are allowed free education in the primary level, they are struggling with the social needs which lead them to abandon education, which is the key to their escape from poverty. And above all, much to your guys interest, corruption is the great obstacles for the poors to "challenge" the riches. I'm also powerless against that. You can blame me but what's next?

My resolution is not clear. We are the losers because we are weak. So what I'm focusing is my studying. Well then! I could become rich and your target of bashing. But for me, the future in within us all and we are the part of it.

Mr.CPP, so u like my massages that I sent to u.
ArtphotoasiA
QUOTE (snookman @ Dec 27 2009, 11:39 PM) *
the reason why money wasnt allocated properly was because we were still developing. but we were developing better then now imo. the streets were clean back then. we had our own factories, educational institutions, our own doctors and professionals, our own government and military. from what i heard, before the revolution, we were the number one rice exporter in the world. our riel was the same value as the dollar. phnom penh was known as paris of the east because of how clean and organize the city was. we had structure. the khmer rouge didnt realize that their lack of economic power was not because they didnt have access but because development takes time. these are just my opinion. why else would the people who survive the genocide have so much anamosity towards cambodia. even chinese cambodians went anti china because they feel it was china that brought this upon cambodia from what i heard about them protesting.


I have been in cambodia in 2001 quite long time ago... I was amazed by so many things... but I never though that development is matter of time... probably it should be but is not! Example here in Italy we are going back... 2000 years of history ??? and now??? Cambodia also had a great history.... and now???

Time is not matter... social awarnees, culture, and knowledge it is.... but all this factors can drammatically change.
snookman
QUOTE (ArtphotoasiA @ Dec 28 2009, 07:30 AM) *
I have been in cambodia in 2001 quite long time ago... I was amazed by so many things... but I never though that development is matter of time... probably it should be but is not! Example here in Italy we are going back... 2000 years of history ??? and now??? Cambodia also had a great history.... and now???

Time is not matter... social awarnees, culture, and knowledge it is.... but all this factors can drammatically change.


yes, economic development takes time. but also, it takes responsible leaders to ensure that quality jobs are created for the people.
ArtphotoasiA
QUOTE (snookman @ Dec 28 2009, 10:27 PM) *
what i mean by development is economic development. for instance, the more money in a country means they have a certain amount of gdp. but also, gdp per capita determines how the gdp in the country is allocated through jobs and how companies and government is paying their workers. thus, gdp per capita gives an idea what u can expect an average worker to make. all of these grows as money is accumulated. but like i said, it all comes down to how the people at the top decide to use that money. will the rich just sit on it or will they create jobs that pay a suitable wage. will the government use tax money to create jobs such as hiring people to pick up trash and giving them benefits as well as a suitable wage or salary. these are the responsibilities of a responsible government. the problem with the current system is that they dont use money for what its suppose to be use for at times. they just pocket it. how bad can u be when angelina jolie donates a million dollars to build an orphanage and the money is pocketed by government officials. how blatant can u be. its like the people have no other idea on how things work. that is why i call the people "srai". no disrespect, but it is what it is.

my homegirl from srok khmer living in america now said that there was a government official in phnom penh that when he had power, was cleaning up the streets and picking up trash. how did he do that, he use government money to create jobs for people to pick up trash. now people have jobs. but, his peers didnt like it cause it was cutting into their money so they cut him loose.

its like imagine if all the teachers, doctors, professors, businessmen, scientists, were eliminated by uneducated ghetto people and then they ran the country in your developed country.

cambodia is so backwards right now. all we can do is hope that the current government gets full and decides that its time to make a change.



I understand what do you mean... Cambodia was so unlucky... I read a lot about... most of all you all deserve justice and freedom now....
also here in Italy we are waiting changes...

there is always hope...
GrillPorkOnRice
Some of those that put their comments here might have never been to Cambodia or maybe came here a few times... most people here might also not living in Cambodia, that's my guess for now... below is my response.

I live in Cambodia for nearly 30 years, born here, educated partly local and partly abroad. I witness Cambodia developments, either into democracy, economic, or sometimes into war until now. My perception toward Cambodia stability is that we only achieve a real peace at the end of the 21st century, which is about 10 years. Remember when there were more than one governments before 1999 when there were Khmer Rouge in the jungle, there were Khmer Sar(White), etc... So who is here to justify that Cambodia has been long at peace for 30 years? And within the beginning of those years from 1979, who was helping Cambodia to build schools, hospitals, institutions, etc... ? The western? oh well, not until they realized the Khmer Rouge regime was genocide, which is around the election of 1993? When did the US assist Cambodia in development assistances started again beside their supports to the Khmer Rouge at the UN table and with the aim of overthrowing the CPP government because they wanted to have their Democracy influence in South East Asia? maybe that is around the late 1990s and early 2000s.

So yeah, who taught us to get corrupt with all those loggings? If CPP knew that, they would have done it even before the 1993. Or is it because the value of those weren't attractive or those logs weren't seen as valuable to buyers yet? I think those corruption starts from FCP when they introduced all those real and so-call-educated people into Cambodia along with their foreign friends with deep pockets to purchase those logs...

How about Sam Rainsy? sound good with what he does but he seems to be running from Democracy to out-of-the-law guy... Within party, he is the one who is getting all the contributions from donors (majority from the US?) and partly from his fellows? But anyone sees him building any school lately? Igniting fire with the East(VN) and support the West(SIAM) is what he should be doing at this time? Have anyone heard of him helping Cambodia trade policies with the west or he just there to sabotage those policies with his close-friend senator or congressman? How have he helped Cambodia overall welfare or is he just there to sabotage in order to show that Cambodia is still poor under CPP's rule? hmmm... something to think about isn't it? As I know, Cambodia has not received any school from Sam Rainsy Party at all... is this the way to build the country democracy by not supporting the education system? Do you all know that not all communes has one High School located? Many communes still don't, so where are you guys to help building those for our people or you expecting the tax money could solve everything if there is no corruption? think again.... Do you know that foreign High ranking official and Consultants could get higher than $700 a day in Cambodia based on the projects from International government or non-government agencies? Imagine how much of the so-called donating money got back in the pockets of those who is saying they are here to help Cambodia developments? But yet, I do recognize and appreciate their contributions because it's better than nothing beside just yap! yap! yap! Oh yeah, lately.. if Sam Rainsy really committed to helping the people getting jobs... there is something to think about here.. Cambodia tries to push an through a trade policy to put Cambodia on the same line as other LDCs in African country that received MFN-duty free to the US, Sam Rainsy didn't say a word to that. Is that wrong for Sam Rainsy to help Royal Government of Cambodia and its people get that status so that we will get more factories to invest in Cambodia then Cambodian people will get more jobs? Or Sam Rainsy is being back-play by the the US Senator that doesn't support this policy so that Cambodian people would not be prosperous under CPP's rule? Give me a reason why he should not be helping to push this policy? I never heard him raise a voice under this issue!

CPP - many bad stories about the Riche kid and the Family in power... I agree to some extend. But do you guys really believe that the children that got married don't have the love for one another? I heard that Sophy loves her husband since they were young together. Something I experience, Sophy is one of the brightest student in the class. She's the Cambodian Paris Hilton? hmmm.. maybe... but she has the right to be, or is it a copy-right that there has to be only one in the US? haha...

In Cambodia, there are people who put their efforts into working until 2 or 3 am nearly everyday, and getting up at 5 or 6am. There is nothing mentioned here. Maybe critiques are what of interest to (some or many) people.

Oh well... for those who have not been to Cambodia, not live here or working for the development of this country, don't just sit at where you are... come and chip in... either through NGO works, International Agencies, Working for the change that you believe that Cambodia should turn into... come here! don't just sit and criticize and tell others (especially your next generations) about this and that about Cambodia and sitting there and do nothing. You should be ashame for doing nothing but yap! yap! yap! How many lives can be improved by doing that? How many poor people can you lift out of poverty?


There are corrupted officials and bribing individuals who are trying to get away from the laws everyday in the US and Cambodia. In the US, if you are not paying 10 or 20% tip for the service at the restaurant, you are just feeling ashame of yourself because it is the custom that u gotta pay. is it a corruption there? In Cambodia, I wouldn't have to say... if you are here, you can see...

Anyway, my message is.. come and help.. don't just yap! yap! yap!
ArtphotoasiA
QUOTE (GrillPorkOnRice @ Dec 29 2009, 08:09 AM) *
Some of those that put their comments here might have never been to Cambodia or maybe came here a few times... most people here might also not living in Cambodia, that's my guess for now... below is my response.

I live in Cambodia for nearly 30 years, born here, educated partly local and partly abroad. I witness Cambodia developments, either into democracy, economic, or sometimes into war until now. My perception toward Cambodia stability is that we only achieve a real peace at the end of the 21st century, which is about 10 years. Remember when there were more than one governments before 1999 when there were Khmer Rouge in the jungle, there were Khmer Sar(White), etc... So who is here to justify that Cambodia has been long at peace for 30 years? And within the beginning of those years from 1979, who was helping Cambodia to build schools, hospitals, institutions, etc... ? The western? oh well, not until they realized the Khmer Rouge regime was genocide, which is around the election of 1993? When did the US assist Cambodia in development assistances started again beside their supports to the Khmer Rouge at the UN table and with the aim of overthrowing the CPP government because they wanted to have their Democracy influence in South East Asia? maybe that is around the late 1990s and early 2000s.

So yeah, who taught us to get corrupt with all those loggings? If CPP knew that, they would have done it even before the 1993. Or is it because the value of those weren't attractive or those logs weren't seen as valuable to buyers yet? I think those corruption starts from FCP when they introduced all those real and so-call-educated people into Cambodia along with their foreign friends with deep pockets to purchase those logs...

How about Sam Rainsy? sound good with what he does but he seems to be running from Democracy to out-of-the-law guy... Within party, he is the one who is getting all the contributions from donors (majority from the US?) and partly from his fellows? But anyone sees him building any school lately? Igniting fire with the East(VN) and support the West(SIAM) is what he should be doing at this time? Have anyone heard of him helping Cambodia trade policies with the west or he just there to sabotage those policies with his close-friend senator or congressman? How have he helped Cambodia overall welfare or is he just there to sabotage in order to show that Cambodia is still poor under CPP's rule? hmmm... something to think about isn't it? As I know, Cambodia has not received any school from Sam Rainsy Party at all... is this the way to build the country democracy by not supporting the education system? Do you all know that not all communes has one High School located? Many communes still don't, so where are you guys to help building those for our people or you expecting the tax money could solve everything if there is no corruption? think again.... Do you know that foreign High ranking official and Consultants could get higher than $700 a day in Cambodia based on the projects from International government or non-government agencies? Imagine how much of the so-called donating money got back in the pockets of those who is saying they are here to help Cambodia developments? But yet, I do recognize and appreciate their contributions because it's better than nothing beside just yap! yap! yap! Oh yeah, lately.. if Sam Rainsy really committed to helping the people getting jobs... there is something to think about here.. Cambodia tries to push an through a trade policy to put Cambodia on the same line as other LDCs in African country that received MFN-duty free to the US, Sam Rainsy didn't say a word to that. Is that wrong for Sam Rainsy to help Royal Government of Cambodia and its people get that status so that we will get more factories to invest in Cambodia then Cambodian people will get more jobs? Or Sam Rainsy is being back-play by the the US Senator that doesn't support this policy so that Cambodian people would not be prosperous under CPP's rule? Give me a reason why he should not be helping to push this policy? I never heard him raise a voice under this issue!

CPP - many bad stories about the Riche kid and the Family in power... I agree to some extend. But do you guys really believe that the children that got married don't have the love for one another? I heard that Sophy loves her husband since they were young together. Something I experience, Sophy is one of the brightest student in the class. She's the Cambodian Paris Hilton? hmmm.. maybe... but she has the right to be, or is it a copy-right that there has to be only one in the US? haha...

In Cambodia, there are people who put their efforts into working until 2 or 3 am nearly everyday, and getting up at 5 or 6am. There is nothing mentioned here. Maybe critiques are what of interest to (some or many) people.

Oh well... for those who have not been to Cambodia, not live here or working for the development of this country, don't just sit at where you are... come and chip in... either through NGO works, International Agencies, Working for the change that you believe that Cambodia should turn into... come here! don't just sit and criticize and tell others (especially your next generations) about this and that about Cambodia and sitting there and do nothing. You should be ashame for doing nothing but yap! yap! yap! How many lives can be improved by doing that? How many poor people can you lift out of poverty?


There are corrupted officials and bribing individuals who are trying to get away from the laws everyday in the US and Cambodia. In the US, if you are not paying 10 or 20% tip for the service at the restaurant, you are just feeling ashame of yourself because it is the custom that u gotta pay. is it a corruption there? In Cambodia, I wouldn't have to say... if you are here, you can see...

Anyway, my message is.. come and help.. don't just yap! yap! yap!


Big post here... and interesting... thanks.

Nice to ear the voice of those who live or lived in Cambodia.

I have been there only one time like traveler but I lived in southeast asia 5 years of course I read some books on Cambodia issues, I find unsustainable and a big shame for a westeners all this story. Just can not bear.

- Can not bear the fact that westerners bombed Cambodia when it was neutral with no real reason...
- Can not bear the fact that the above was the real cause of kmer rouge surgent and aftermath genocide...
- Can not bear the fact that westerners joined to UN table together with kmer rouge enturage as legit government of Cambodia at that time...
- Can not bear the fact that after years of help and money nothing or just few things have been inprouved because UN was just useless as always as inmany other cases ...

Becouse of that when I was there in 2001 I went to pay respect to Angkor Wat and also I went to see myself how things are in Phnom Phen, Battambang, Sianookville..

Believe me ignorance is the worst thing ever, and when I was back in Thailand or Laos or Singapore speaking with other asians I was so astonished that today in 2010 the knew so few of their recent history of their neighboour country recent history.... I do not blame them... this is what goverments over there want to teach and let people know.
Beside that... probably we all must let Cambodians in peace and let them manage themself.... they will find their own way if interferencess will stop!
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