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SChong54
Let see ... who will win in this holy war? icon_smile.gif eek.gif

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KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 8 — A city church in the leafy Desa Melawati suburb was set on fire at midnight as police warned angry Muslim groups not to protest a controversial ruling allowing Catholic weekly Herald to use “Allah” in its national language section.

The attack on the Metro Tabernacle A/G, an Assemblies of God church in Jalan 4/4C Desa Melawati, completely gutted its administrative office on the ground floor. There were no reported injuries in the midnight attack.

Police have yet to identify the attackers and no one has claimed responsibility for the attack which could be related to anger over the Dec 31 court ruling. The judgment has been suspended pending government appeal.

According to an eyewitness who had just finished a drink at a coffee shop located directly across the church, three or four persons on two motorcycles stopped in front of the church.

"They proceeded to break the glass panels on the ground floor before pouring some flammable liquid and setting off a fire," said a statement issued by the church.

The church is housed in a three-storey shoplot with the office on the ground floor. Church officials have lodged a police report over the incident.

Earlier in the night, the judiciary website was defaced and later taken offline.

The Metro Tabernacle is not affiliated to the Roman Catholic Church which had challenged a 2007 order to stop using “Allah” to describe the Christian God in the Herald's Bahasa Malaysia section.

The Herald is tightly circulated among the mainly Muslim country's estimated 850,000 Catholics who worship in English, Mandarin, Tamil and Bahasa Malaysia.

The Roman Catholic Church had agreed not to object to suspend the judgment out of "national interests" as Muslim groups objected to the ruling and threatened to protest.

The groups have organised protests after Friday prayers at two mosques in Kuala Lumpur today despite police orders not to proceed.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak and his cousin Home Minister Datuk Hishamuddin Hussein have backed the right to protest within mosque grounds to the chagrin of many who have been previously detained at opposition gatherings.

Meanwhile, Kuala Lumpur police chief Mohamad Sabtu Osman said it was premature to link the attack on the church to the protests over the Allah ban.

''We are still investigating,'' he told the Associated Press. He also urged Muslims not to participate in the planned protests, adding that police would be stationed at mosques to monitor the situation.

Police limit gatherings in public to five people and usually take tough action, including using tear gas and chemically-laced water from water cannons, to disperse protests.


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Attackers Fire-Bomb Malaysian Church Over 'Allah' Word Conflict

Attackers fire-bombed a Malaysian church and tried to set another ablaze Friday amid a growing conflict over the use of the word ``Allah’’ by non-Muslims, officials said.

The attacks sharply escalated tensions in the Muslim-majority country ahead of planned protests later Friday against a Kuala Lumpur High Court verdict which struck down a 3-year-old ban on non-Muslims using “Allah” in their literature.

The Dec. 31 court decision incensed many Muslims, who see it as a threat to their religion. Hateful comments and threats against Christians have been posted widely on the Internet, but this is the first time the controversy has turned destructive.

The ruling was on a petition by the Herald, the main publication of Malaysia’s Roman Catholic Church, which uses the word Allah in its Malay-language edition.

Only the first floor office in the three-story Metro Tabernacle Church was destroyed in the pre-dawn blaze, said Kevin Ang, a spokesman for the Protestant church. The worship areas on the upper two floors were undamaged and there were no injuries.

He quoted a witness as saying she saw three or four men on a motorcycle break the main glass front of the church and throw a gasoline bomb inside. The church occupies a corner plot in a row of shops in Desa Melawati, a suburb of Kuala Lumpur.

Separately, a Molotov cocktail was thrown into the compound of a Roman Catholic church before dawn Friday but caused no damage or injuries, said the Rev. Lawrence Andrew, the editor of the Herald.

Andrew said most churches have employed extra security guards amid the protest threats. “Most churches are taking precautions. They are aware it may just blow up,’’ he said.

The government has appealed the court verdict and the High Court has suspended its decision’s implementation until the appeal is heard.

Muslims argue that “Allah’’ is exclusive to Islam, and its use by Christians would confuse Muslims and tempt them to convert to Christianity.

Kuala Lumpur police Chief Mohamad Sabtu Osman told The Associated Press that it was premature to link the attacks on the churches to the protests over the lifting of the Allah ban.

“We are still investigating,” he said. He also urged Muslims not to participate in the planned protests, adding that police would be stationed at mosques to monitor the situation.

About 60 percent of Malaysia’s 28 million people are Malay Muslims, while the rest are ethnic Chinese, Indians and indigenous tribes who follow Christianity, Hinduism and other religions.

The Malay-speaking indigenous tribespeople, living in remote states of Sabah and Sarawak, are the main readers of the Herald’s Malay-language edition. Catholic officials say “Allah’’ is the only word they know for God.

Many Muslims in Malaysia have refused to accept the argument that “Allah’’ is an Arabic word that predates Islam, and that it is used by Christians in countries such as Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Indonesia regularly in their worship.

The backlash against the court verdict has reinforced complaints by religious minorities in Malaysia that they face institutional discrimination by the government.

On Thursday, the Malaysian judiciary’s Web site was hacked and defaced with an apparent threat to Christians, The Star newspaper reported. The site, however, appeared to be normal on Friday.

The Star said the hacker, using the alias “Brainwash,’’ defaced the site with a banner saying: “Mess with the best, die like the rest’’ and “Allah only restricted to Muslim only.’’

Associated Press
DrGieL3
Let them fight and kill each other icon_twisted.gif

For your info ... the majority of Malaysians, especially Malays, are idiot because of their religion !!!
tangawizi
this could turn into a racial thingey
SyedHussein
seems to be deliberate provocation. someone try to create a christian holocaust or trying to make it look's like one. very soon, we may probably see involvement of the foreign party.
DrGieL3
I can't understand why Islam in Malaysia can create those stupid, idiot and narrow minded people ..... icon_smile.gif icon_smile.gif icon_smile.gif

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‘Allah’ not only word banned

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 14 — “Allah”, which is Arabic for God, is not the only word prohibited for use in a non-Muslim context.

In the case of the Catholic newspaper Herald, it is barred from using three other words: Kaabah (Islam’s holiest shrine in Mecca), Solat (prayer) and Baitullah (House of God).

Father Lawrence Andrew, the weekly paper’s editor, told The Straits Times yesterday that the four words were listed in the guidelines issued to the Herald in 2007. The Cabinet decided on the prohibited words in 1986.

The Herald does not use the three latter words, but ran into problems with the Home Ministry for using “Allah” to refer to the Christian God in its Malay-language publications.

Last month, the High Court set aside the government ban on the use of “Allah” by non-Muslims. The court decision outraged many Muslims and was followed by a series of arson attacks on churches.

The ban is not limited to those four words. Malaysian states have enactments listing more Arabic or Malay words as exclusive to Islam.

The New Straits Times yesterday published a list of 25 words that cannot be associated with any religion other than Islam in Pahang. The list is found in the Control and Restriction of the Propagation of Non-Islamic Religions Enactment 1989. Also banned are 10 expressions with Islamic origins, such as Subhanallah (Glory be to God) and Alhamdullilah (Praise to God).

Pahang’s Islamic Religious and Malay Customs Council deputy president, Datuk Seri Wan Abdul Wahid Wan Hassan, said the law had been in force since 1990.

Syariah Lawyers Association deputy president Muhammad Burok told The Straits Times that all states have similar enactments, with their own lists of banned words.

“It’s not uniform, some have more words than others,” he said.

He pointed out that the enactments had been in force before the Herald controversy surfaced. The Herald’s problems began in 1998, four years after it started publication. It was told not to use the word “Allah”, but following an exchange of correspondence, there appeared to be a compromise by the government.

Father Lawrence said the newspaper had had no problem renewing its annual permit until 2006, when there was a delay. In 2007, it was told that the use of “Allah” and the other words was banned. — The Straits Times
Majapahitans
I hope this religious intolerance wouldn't swept across border.... icon_neutral.gif
Airlangga
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yeah I hope so icon_neutral.gif
LDS
LOL Why do Christians in Malaysia even want to use the word Allah?? Are they arab???
oppie
My Dear Bros,

For your information, there is no such thing as 'Bumiputera' and also the race "Malay'. Everything in Malaysia is made up. Up to the point that Malays are automatically Islam. By right, all of it is wrong. If govt even value the Malacca State, then Malaysia wouldn't even be a Muslim country as Malacca was not even a Muslim Kingdom with different races living in harmony not until the Muslims came and force the King to convert to Islam moreover the King was not even Malay! They used Malacca as a puppet to brainwash the Malays.

I am saddened by the news of the church attacks in Malaysia. Hope it all turns out well.

We as Human Beings are not fit to judge what is right or wrong for using GOD's name. Are we perfect? If we are then We are Gods.
Crystallised Dream
On the bright side I find this whole ruckus a good opportunity for the Malaysian government to prove its rhetorics.


QUOTE (LDS @ Jan 16 2010, 03:22 PM) *
LOL Why do Christians in Malaysia even want to use the word Allah?? Are they arab???


Sikhs and Indonesian Christians use the word Allah as well.
layersuck
The word Allah was not banned in East Malaysia due to the 19 point agreement for Sarawak and 20 point agreement for Sabah.

As stated in the constitution the are no state religion in both east Malaysian state, practically both are secular state. One fact i think should be remember both state are partner during creation of Malaysia. Let me emphasis on "creation" of Malaysian rather then joining Malaysia.
SChong54
I like this ultra nationalist Perkasa ...

Give them basic military training and weapons ....So, they can defend and protect your "Malay Supremacy" from your Chinese and Indian ...

Do you know when Perkasa will commence the "Holy War" and kill all of their enemies ?

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Perkasa to defend against ‘disrespectful non-Malay leaders’
By Syed Jaymal Zahiid

SHAH ALAM, Jan 25 — Malay nationalist group Perkasa has said it is not afraid to play the race card in order to rally support for its causes.

Its leader Datuk Ibrahim Ali, at a ceramah organised by Umno here last night, said that since Election 2008 the country has seen the rise of arrogant non-Malay leaders who no longer respect Malays as the dominant race in the country.

“I first came in (as MP) to Parliament in 1986. I remember, in those days, the (non-Malay) opposition leaders were of a different class,” said Ibrahim to some 400 Umno supporters who attended the party’s inaugural Juara Rakyat programme in Shah Alam.

“But after the 12th general election, we have seen the rise of a generation of more ‘biadap’ (disrespectful) opposition leaders,” added the former Umno leader, who left to become an independent in 2004 after a falling out with then party president Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.

Ibrahim, well-known for his oratory skills, fired up the Umno crowd when he said the “Allah” issue was reflective of the “kind of disrespect” that the non-Malay leaders, particularly from the secularist DAP, have for the Malay-Muslims of this country.

“Look at the current political situation now, we have the Taiping (DAP) parliamentarian questioning the allocation for suraus; we have Teresa Kok (Seputeh DAP parliamentarian) and the azan fiasco.

“We have Lim Kit Siang and Lim Guan Eng stepping on the pictures of the two Perak Malay lawmakers. If they want to step on the pictures of Chinese photos, it’s up to them but never do it to the Malays,” blasted Ibrahim.

Ibrahim used all these examples to back his claims that the Malay position as the ruling and dominant race, which he claims is enshrined in the Federal Constitution, is being degraded by the non-Malay opposition leaders.

But the Pasir Mas MP, who contested and won under a PAS ticket in 2008, blamed the alleged predicament of the Malays on PKR de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.

Ibrahim said Anwar, as a Malay leader himself, had opened the floodgates that allowed non-Malay leaders to “step on the Malays’ heads.”

He said that from the moment Anwar was released, there “was an air of trouble brewing”, referring to the growing influence of the Anwar-led opposition coalition Pakatan Rakyat (PR).

Ibrahim said it is this “new politics” propagated by Anwar that has “nurtured” a culture of “rudeness” towards the Malays.

Both Ibrahim and Anwar were arrested in the 1970s under the ISA while they were still university students.

“The Malays have been tolerant enough. God willing, we will lead the Malays against them,” he said to thunderous applause from the crowd.

Perkasa began as a one-man group after Election 2008 but is now rapidly shaping up as a national pressure group for Umno, representing those seeking to defend the constitutional position of the Malays and the “social contract”.

Political observers believe that its rapid growth is possibly fuelled by the heated political climate induced by the “Allah” issue, which has sparked uproar among the country’s Malay majority.

Many of those joining Perkasa are Umno members who feel that the party has strayed from its original ideals of striving for and maintaining Malay dominance in the country.
Protoculture
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Let see ... who will win in this holy war?


Is there a holy war at all? Nope .... move on!
Protoculture
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Let them fight and kill each other icon_twisted.gif

For your info ... the majority of Malaysians, especially Malays, are idiot because of their religion !!!


Let you fight & be killed due to stupidity! icon_twisted.gif

For your info ... the minority of ignorant Malaysians, especially you, are idiots because of their opinions!!!!
Protoculture
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this could turn into a racial thingey


Well, someone like that SChong would taken advantage of. This kind of thing is covered by our Seditious Act. I wonder if SChong is in Malaysia, it'd be easy to report his IP to the Police & let 'em haul him to be charged in court for seditious acts.

Now that would be something!
Protoculture
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I like this ultra nationalist Perkasa ...


So you are a Fascist in disguise? How long you've been a closet Chi-Nazi, eh?

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Give them basic military training and weapons ....


That what happens when British armed MPAJA during Japanese invasion, & MPAJA morphed into Malayan Communist Party & launched bloody guerilla campaigns against Malaya & later Malaysia. Guess who were the majority of the Commies, is it the Malays, Indians or the Chinese?

Maybe its you, SChong!

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So, they can defend and protect your "Malay Supremacy" from your Chinese and Indian ...


We protect our Malay / Bumi rights via political means.

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Do you know when Perkasa will commence the "Holy War" and kill all of their enemies ?


Do you know when the Ah Beng triads will commence the "street wars" & kill all of their enemies?
SyedHussein
The Malays are most tolerant and the least agressive of all 3 major races in Malaysia. I doubt that a Malay will mobilize on something like the word Allah dispute. When a Malay mobilize themselves it means they've been push too far. If you look back to all the ethnic clash between Malay and other races, in the end it's always the other races who claimed a victim. But at the beginning, its the other races who often provoked the malays and when things started to look bad for them, they going around begging for sympathy. For example, during the ethnic clash in Batu Pahat, johor during post WW2, The Chinese under the Communist party and Kuomintang started going around raiding, burning and pillaging Malay Villages. When the Malay retaliated and laid siege to the Town of Batu Pahat, The Chinese quickly contact the Johor government at Johor Bahru begging them to intervened and end the siege. By the effort of Dato Onn Jaafar, The Malay forces under the command of Panglima Salleh, agreed to armistice and also agreed for a peace negotiation at later time. But guess what? before a peace negotiation can take place, The Chinese break the agreement and recommenced the attacks.
CJgerrardng
QUOTE (LDS @ Jan 16 2010, 03:22 PM) *
LOL Why do Christians in Malaysia even want to use the word Allah?? Are they arab???



Malays are not Arabs either.
CJgerrardng
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CJgerrardng
QUOTE (CJgerrardng @ Mar 13 2010, 12:13 AM) *
Malays are not Arabs either.

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faraway
probably all these stuff were created by UMNO,..just to show thy heroic sides & come to a rescue.....
all these were part of thy political plot scene.....(thy were a good drama superstars)

i m currently not in M'sia,but what i can tell u is among M'sians colleagues,..we can work well as we know to each other that political sucks,..so we never wana talk abt it.....

Protoculture
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UMNO,..just to show thy heroic sides & come to a rescue.....
all these were part of thy political plot scene.....(thy were a good drama superstars)


The drama queens all in that party ....

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among M'sians colleagues,..we can work well as we know to each other that political sucks,..so we never wana talk abt it.....


Heh, its all political nowadays, you'll hear it practically in kopitiams, mamak shops, roadside stalls, taxis etc. But we're rational enough not to trust BS spouted by the politicians ...
Oneeyeclosed
I've been overseas for 4 years not from Msia and have only been back once.
Someone give me the leat bias view on the situation please.
shad0w
me think this accident is more like Juvenile Deliquency by short tempered, overzealous youths (or youths being provoked by politicians, at worst) than any sort of Holy War coming to Malaysia ...

please put all thing into perspective

,.... and put out that tin-foil hat covered brains to get some fresh air ..
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