Based on thechnology acquirement among its citizen i think Malaysia is the best in SEA.
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Malaysia is the only country in South East Asia which can build their own type of car. This car already flood some market in south east asia, in Indonesia proton wira and persona among the most famous one. which reasonable price yet better in quality and shape make this car becoming new trend on the car market.
Based on thechnology acquirement among its citizen i think Malaysia is the best in SEA.
Based on thechnology acquirement among its citizen i think Malaysia is the best in SEA.
are there any Quranic verses itched in the sides and interior since you said malaysia & islam is inseperable?
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Nov 11 2004, 01:06 AM)
are there any Quranic verses itched in the sides and interior?
it depend man, if the guy who use the car is devout muslim, he might put it in his dash board or mirror.
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Proton is acquiring an Italian superbike maker MV Agusta. Hmmm I wonder what they plan to do with a motorcycle company.
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Proton Holdings Bhd, Malaysia's top carmaker, will finalise the acquisition of Italian motorcycle maker MV Agusta Motor SpA this month, a source close to the deal said on Nov 9.
Proton signed a letter of intent last year to study the feasibility of buying 50% of the Italian firm, which produces 18,000 MV Agusta, Cagiva and Husqvarna motorcycles a year.
"Very soon Proton in Malaysia will complete its purchase of the Italian motorcycle company," the source, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters. "It will be completed this month."
The stake, to be bought from owner and founder Claudio Castiglioni, will give Proton distribution rights and control of Agusta, Proton has said.
Proton declined to comment on Nov 9.
The company has not disclosed financial details for the proposed deal.
The industry source said the acquisition would be part of a debt restructuring at Agusta Motor, but declined to elaborate.
Proton signed a letter of intent last year to study the feasibility of buying 50% of the Italian firm, which produces 18,000 MV Agusta, Cagiva and Husqvarna motorcycles a year.
"Very soon Proton in Malaysia will complete its purchase of the Italian motorcycle company," the source, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters. "It will be completed this month."
The stake, to be bought from owner and founder Claudio Castiglioni, will give Proton distribution rights and control of Agusta, Proton has said.
Proton declined to comment on Nov 9.
The company has not disclosed financial details for the proposed deal.
The industry source said the acquisition would be part of a debt restructuring at Agusta Motor, but declined to elaborate.
How's the outlook forecast for proton market in the future after the open trading market will apllied in asia region for proton marketing still in question.
I think currently proton still enjoying less competitiveness bcoz the open market still not imposed fully in Asia.
In the meantime proton company can prepare themself for free trade battle especially korean made car also offer reasanable price yet also good quality.
I think currently proton still enjoying less competitiveness bcoz the open market still not imposed fully in Asia.
In the meantime proton company can prepare themself for free trade battle especially korean made car also offer reasanable price yet also good quality.
Proton will have no problem competing succesfully in an open market. Their latest generation products like the Waja,Gen2 and upcoming models are superior to Korean ones.
QUOTE (Nusantara @ Nov 12 2004, 01:09 AM)
How's the outlook forecast for proton market in the future after the open trading market will apllied in asia region for proton marketing still in question.
I think currently proton still enjoying less competitiveness bcoz the open market still not imposed fully in Asia.
In the meantime proton company can prepare themself for free trade battle especially korean made car also offer reasanable price yet also good quality.
I think currently proton still enjoying less competitiveness bcoz the open market still not imposed fully in Asia.
In the meantime proton company can prepare themself for free trade battle especially korean made car also offer reasanable price yet also good quality.
they might better quality than korean made car, but Korean car already gain advantage regarding market acceptance and thrustworthy since they already release their car way earlier than proton. hyundai is one of great sell car in northern america right now lured by lower price compare to japanese or american car.
the only way for proton to convince customer is to release safety rating test done by independent group. Just like in europe and northern america they have department of vehicle who conduct the test to the vehicle before being released to the market. so people can get the test result how the rate of safety test on specific car.
the only way for proton to convince customer is to release safety rating test done by independent group. Just like in europe and northern america they have department of vehicle who conduct the test to the vehicle before being released to the market. so people can get the test result how the rate of safety test on specific car.
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Nov 11 2004, 01:06 AM)
are there any Quranic verses itched in the sides and interior since you said malaysia & islam is inseperable?
No offence to the Muslims, but the Malaysian government is not as narrow-minded as that.
The Malaysian government are moderate Muslims (maybe except for PAS), and I'm grateful for that. ^__^
Furthermore, Proton needs to reach a wider scope of customers, so they have to take in consideration the religion, taste, and culture of the customers they are targetting.
Basic business logic, actually.
Well I think Sonia Luhong should start making cars...ha..haha..HAHAHA
QUOTE (PervertBurger @ Nov 12 2004, 06:54 AM)
Well I think Sonia Luhong should start making cars...ha..haha..HAHAHA
Well, when I clarify things related to the car making-industry, that doesn't automatically makes me qualified for it.
I hope you are sensible enough to understand this part, thank you.
Geez, relax.
Sorry if I sound too stiff, though...
But I admit I was a little bit annoyed with you there...but no worries, be happies, I've forgiven you (eventhough you didn't officially apologise -_-). ^__~
But I admit I was a little bit annoyed with you there...but no worries, be happies, I've forgiven you (eventhough you didn't officially apologise -_-). ^__~
Oh srry then 
how about TIMOR ???? the Indonesian car...... compare to proton saga...I guess its nothing.
QUOTE (Jupiterz @ Nov 14 2004, 04:54 AM)
how about TIMOR ???? the Indonesian car...... compare to proton saga...I guess its nothing.
Proton don't make the Saga model anymore.
Saga model no more, but Saga Aeroback still can be seen sold like hot cakes (of course, for used car markets).
But hey, I still rooted for Satria GTi & classy Perdana, not the souped up Waja or Gen 2 models..
But hey, I still rooted for Satria GTi & classy Perdana, not the souped up Waja or Gen 2 models..
How's about the proton engine on latest model?, are they still using some part of japanese mitsubishi engine?or they have made 100% homemade.
Proton has some new engines called the Campro;entirely developed and manufactured by Malaysians 
Latest news on Malaysia's automotive industry
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HK firm plans vehicle assembly plant in Kedah
Updated : 19-11-2004
Media : The Star
A HONG Kong-based investment holding company has proposed to build a vehicle assembly plant in Kedah which could roll out 500,000 units a year.
Profound Holding Ltd vice-president Alex C. Fan said the Hong Kong company would invest RM2.5bil in the project, which would be handled by its Malaysian subsidiary, Alor Palma Sdn Bhd.
He said the company planned to build passenger cars and vans, and sport utility vehicles (SUV) at the plant, which would create 8,000 to 10,000 jobs.
Kedah State Development Corp (KSDC) had proposed a site in Bukit Kayu Hitam for the plant, he said, adding that a feasibility study would be done before a final decision was made on the location.
ˇ§Construction will start next year with the first vehicle expected to roll out 12 months later,ˇ¨ Fan told reporters after the signing of a memorandum of understanding on the project between Profound and KSDC in Alor Star yesterday. The event was witnessed by Kedah Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Syed Razak Syed Zain.
Fan said KSDC would help Profound acquire land for the project, which needed between 200ha and 400ha.
He said the company planned to produce 100,000 vehicles in its first year of operation, doubling the output in the second year, and reaching 500,000 units by the fourth year.
ˇ§Most of the vehicles will be exported. Our target markets are the Middle East and South-East Asia,ˇ¨ he said, adding that the vehicles would be competitively priced.
Fan said Profound had investments in motor vehicle projects worldwide, including in China where it produced light passenger vans.
ˇ§We have yet to decide on the name of the vehicles that will be produced in Kedah,ˇ¨ he said.
He said the company chose Malaysia for an assembly plant because it was the most politically stable country in South-East Asia, had good infrastructure, and was friendly to private enterprises.
Meanwhile, Razak said the plant would use at least 50% local components.
Updated : 19-11-2004
Media : The Star
A HONG Kong-based investment holding company has proposed to build a vehicle assembly plant in Kedah which could roll out 500,000 units a year.
Profound Holding Ltd vice-president Alex C. Fan said the Hong Kong company would invest RM2.5bil in the project, which would be handled by its Malaysian subsidiary, Alor Palma Sdn Bhd.
He said the company planned to build passenger cars and vans, and sport utility vehicles (SUV) at the plant, which would create 8,000 to 10,000 jobs.
Kedah State Development Corp (KSDC) had proposed a site in Bukit Kayu Hitam for the plant, he said, adding that a feasibility study would be done before a final decision was made on the location.
ˇ§Construction will start next year with the first vehicle expected to roll out 12 months later,ˇ¨ Fan told reporters after the signing of a memorandum of understanding on the project between Profound and KSDC in Alor Star yesterday. The event was witnessed by Kedah Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Syed Razak Syed Zain.
Fan said KSDC would help Profound acquire land for the project, which needed between 200ha and 400ha.
He said the company planned to produce 100,000 vehicles in its first year of operation, doubling the output in the second year, and reaching 500,000 units by the fourth year.
ˇ§Most of the vehicles will be exported. Our target markets are the Middle East and South-East Asia,ˇ¨ he said, adding that the vehicles would be competitively priced.
Fan said Profound had investments in motor vehicle projects worldwide, including in China where it produced light passenger vans.
ˇ§We have yet to decide on the name of the vehicles that will be produced in Kedah,ˇ¨ he said.
He said the company chose Malaysia for an assembly plant because it was the most politically stable country in South-East Asia, had good infrastructure, and was friendly to private enterprises.
Meanwhile, Razak said the plant would use at least 50% local components.
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Nov 19 2004, 09:28 AM)
Proton has some new engines called the Campro;entirely developed and manufactured by Malaysians
Malaysia boleh!
QUOTE (Nusantara @ Nov 20 2004, 04:41 AM)
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Nov 19 2004, 09:28 AM)
Proton has some new engines called the Campro;entirely developed and manufactured by Malaysians
Malaysia boleh!
Indonesia juga boleh
Another Malaysian company that have the capability to develop world class car engines is Petronas.
What type of company is Petronas? I suppose i could google it....but hey, for the sake of keeping Malaysia chat alive!
Are they planning on selling the Proton car on a global market any time soon?
Malaysia boleh! hehe...my Malaysian friends would get me to yell that during our badminton matches and stuff.
Are they planning on selling the Proton car on a global market any time soon?
Malaysia boleh! hehe...my Malaysian friends would get me to yell that during our badminton matches and stuff.
Proton car have been flood to SEA market and also Australia. Don't know when they are going to start on global market such as europe and north america.
Petronas is Malaysia's state owned oil company.
Proton has been exporting cars to Europe and Australia. Once they have sufficient numbers of excellent models,they will enter the US market.
Proton has been exporting cars to Europe and Australia. Once they have sufficient numbers of excellent models,they will enter the US market.
QUOTE (syknys @ Nov 20 2004, 02:46 PM)
What type of company is Petronas? I suppose i could google it....but hey, for the sake of keeping Malaysia chat alive!
Are they planning on selling the Proton car on a global market any time soon?
Malaysia boleh! hehe...my Malaysian friends would get me to yell that during our badminton matches and stuff.
Are they planning on selling the Proton car on a global market any time soon?
Malaysia boleh! hehe...my Malaysian friends would get me to yell that during our badminton matches and stuff.
Since proton already use their own made car engine on latest Wija and Gen2 model.
There are only 13 countries in the world that produce real cars (100% homemade) not just assembly (every country can do assembly work):
1.USA
2.Japan
3.South Korea
4.Sweden
5.Italy
6.France
7.Czechoslovakia
8.Spain
9.Germany
10.Malaysia
11.India
12.UK
13.Australia
There are only 13 countries in the world that produce real cars (100% homemade) not just assembly (every country can do assembly work):
1.USA
2.Japan
3.South Korea
4.Sweden
5.Italy
6.France
7.Czechoslovakia
8.Spain
9.Germany
10.Malaysia
11.India
12.UK
13.Australia
I'm not really sure about Spain and the Czech Republic. They develop cars but not the engines which is the hardest to design part. SEAT and Skoda cars use Volkswagen engines.
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Nov 23 2004, 10:48 AM)
I'm not really sure about Spain and the Czech Republic. They develop cars but not the engines which is the hardest to design part. SEAT and Skoda cars use Volkswagen engines.
How's about another Malaysian car comapny that is Perodua, are they developed as advance as Proton right now? Do they use Proton made engine or they developed their own?
Perodua is the second biggest national car company but they only make Daihatsu clones and a Toyota MPV.Perodua is now owned by Daihatsu which in turn is owned by Toyota.
VW planning car project with Proton
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MUNICH: German motor vehicle concern Volkswagen is planning to produce a small, cheap car for the South-East Asian market together with Proton, the weekly magazine Focus reported, citing VW chief executive Bernd Pischetsrieder.
In its latest issue, the magazine cited Pischetsrieder as saying the plans are to develop a car that would cost just 2,300 euros to manufacture.
He said two teams of VW and Proton engineers in Malaysia are now involved in preparing the project, with the car to be produced at Proton's factory.
VW also is planning to produce a version of the compact Fox car as well as a Proton car technically adapted from VW's medium-sized Variant, Pischetsrieder told the magazine.
Till now, South-East Asia has been a region in which VW has barely made a dent; Japanese carmakers dominate the market.
The VW boss also dismissed rumours about a possible new VW plant in India. “I know nothing about this,” he told Focus magazine.
The Focus report comes a few days after the daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported that VW was poised for a possible buy-in at Proton in the wake of the pullout by Mitsubishi Corp. – dpa
In its latest issue, the magazine cited Pischetsrieder as saying the plans are to develop a car that would cost just 2,300 euros to manufacture.
He said two teams of VW and Proton engineers in Malaysia are now involved in preparing the project, with the car to be produced at Proton's factory.
VW also is planning to produce a version of the compact Fox car as well as a Proton car technically adapted from VW's medium-sized Variant, Pischetsrieder told the magazine.
Till now, South-East Asia has been a region in which VW has barely made a dent; Japanese carmakers dominate the market.
The VW boss also dismissed rumours about a possible new VW plant in India. “I know nothing about this,” he told Focus magazine.
The Focus report comes a few days after the daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported that VW was poised for a possible buy-in at Proton in the wake of the pullout by Mitsubishi Corp. – dpa
If it costs 2300 Euros to make it could be sold at around 3000
Euros (15,000 Ringgit). This would make it affordable to most Malaysians. We may see the sharp reduction in the number of those cheap ugly 90-150cc motorbikes on Malaysian roads. The govt might even be able to gradually ban these bikes to reduce illegal racing and snatch theft.
Euros (15,000 Ringgit). This would make it affordable to most Malaysians. We may see the sharp reduction in the number of those cheap ugly 90-150cc motorbikes on Malaysian roads. The govt might even be able to gradually ban these bikes to reduce illegal racing and snatch theft.
although proton car is not tat perfect,but wth this industry,malaysia economics growth rapidly..i hate those malaysian who juz talk bad bout proton...dont they ever think,if proton doesnt exist,wut malaysia econs would be?lot of ppl will losing their job!!!
Well, Proton in its early years always go for quantity, not quality. Those years when the best we could get is the crappy Tiara & bumped up Proton Aeroback Iswara, it all changes with the introduction of Wira.
Than people start to take notice. Then Satria, Perdana models come up. Then Satria GTi .... hoo boy, its get better.
Then that Juara crappier model came out .. what the hell ... Thank God Proton pull 'em outta production lines soon enuff.
With Gen 2, I'm hoping Proton will go far ....
Than people start to take notice. Then Satria, Perdana models come up. Then Satria GTi .... hoo boy, its get better.
Then that Juara crappier model came out .. what the hell ... Thank God Proton pull 'em outta production lines soon enuff.
With Gen 2, I'm hoping Proton will go far ....
I think ploton and perodua need to improve its car quality and sell not so expensive, foreign car price are getting very low here in m'sia and people dont wanna buy proton and perodua already....
Perodua seek for more help
http://news.catcha.com/my/content.phtml?1&...24.jc5686st.txt
Proton complaint
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp.../138866/1/.html
anyhow a short list of price car in m'sia,
Waja 1.6 RM63k
Vios 1.5E RM77k
City 1.5 IDSI RM79k
Getz 1.3 RM70k
and the real price of foreign car if no tax protection,
Waja 1.6 RM63k
Vios 1.5E RM40k Tax 37k
City 1.5 IDSI RM41k tax 38k
Getz 1.3 RM35k Tax 35k
So dumping!
What proton wants is
Waja 1.6 RM63k
Vios 1.5E RM50k tax50k = 100k
City 1.5 IDSI RM50k tax50k = 100k
Getz 1.3 RM45k tax45k = 90k
see? so if proton can like lower waja to maybe 30k sure lots of ppl will buy the car...
u can see kia and hyundai especially the car price is getting very low now and people prefer foreign car because quality is always there and the car featured wit a lot of good features.
im so impress wit foreign car sometime especially korean car, they sell so low and the quality are there. i think proton and perodua only want to earn extra bucks. even after afta there are no import duty but now they have the new exise duty. afta also useless.
Perodua seek for more help
http://news.catcha.com/my/content.phtml?1&...24.jc5686st.txt
Proton complaint
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp.../138866/1/.html
anyhow a short list of price car in m'sia,
Waja 1.6 RM63k
Vios 1.5E RM77k
City 1.5 IDSI RM79k
Getz 1.3 RM70k
and the real price of foreign car if no tax protection,
Waja 1.6 RM63k
Vios 1.5E RM40k Tax 37k
City 1.5 IDSI RM41k tax 38k
Getz 1.3 RM35k Tax 35k
So dumping!
What proton wants is
Waja 1.6 RM63k
Vios 1.5E RM50k tax50k = 100k
City 1.5 IDSI RM50k tax50k = 100k
Getz 1.3 RM45k tax45k = 90k
see? so if proton can like lower waja to maybe 30k sure lots of ppl will buy the car...
u can see kia and hyundai especially the car price is getting very low now and people prefer foreign car because quality is always there and the car featured wit a lot of good features.
im so impress wit foreign car sometime especially korean car, they sell so low and the quality are there. i think proton and perodua only want to earn extra bucks. even after afta there are no import duty but now they have the new exise duty. afta also useless.
QUOTE (Nusantara @ Nov 22 2004, 10:34 PM)
Since proton already use their own made car engine on latest Wija and Gen2 model.
There are only 13 countries in the world that produce real cars (100% homemade) not just assembly (every country can do assembly work):
1.USA
2.Japan
3.South Korea
4.Sweden
5.Italy
6.France
7.Czechoslovakia
8.Spain
9.Germany
10.Malaysia
11.India
12.UK
13.Australia
There are only 13 countries in the world that produce real cars (100% homemade) not just assembly (every country can do assembly work):
1.USA
2.Japan
3.South Korea
4.Sweden
5.Italy
6.France
7.Czechoslovakia
8.Spain
9.Germany
10.Malaysia
11.India
12.UK
13.Australia
And you need to get a REAL HOMEMADE education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_autom...e_manufacturers
QUOTE (skat3r @ Mar 25 2005, 10:13 PM)
And you need to get a REAL HOMEMADE education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_autom...e_manufacturers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_autom...e_manufacturers
Nope. The list on your link includes companies that make only clones and license manufacture other companies' models. Very few countries have the capabity to develop cars on their own. Fewer still have the ability to design engines that comply with Euro 4 emission standard.
The list in Nusantara's post is roughly more accurate.
Proton CEO says they are testing a 3.0 litre 300 brake horsepower engine. He didn't say what it is for but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that engine is for their upcoming sports model.
I am truly concerned with Proton's plan to adopt Italaian styling in their cars ever since they bought MV Agusta.
I think Italian exterior designs are too overrated.They are not as great as some people think. The Proton Waja and Gen2 models have clearly proven that Malaysian designers are the best in the world. Proton should employ only Malaysian exterior designers or risk having their new models polluted with inferior Italian styling.
I think Italian exterior designs are too overrated.They are not as great as some people think. The Proton Waja and Gen2 models have clearly proven that Malaysian designers are the best in the world. Proton should employ only Malaysian exterior designers or risk having their new models polluted with inferior Italian styling.
personally, i think that proton cars are alright, the cost is good, not too expensive. But i dont think its that stable. Like that brand, Perodua.. omg it sux, da Kancil got smacked from behind by um... i forgot what car... in bandar tun razak... half of the car got dented in ... not safe at all. its only good for parking and weeving in n out thru traffic jams. Proton is better... alot of peeps drive it. My fave is probably Putra n GTi
I hope they realize that mistake, Indegineous designer already proven the best.
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Apr 5 2005, 06:23 AM)
I am truly concerned with Proton's plan to adopt Italaian styling in their cars ever since they bought MV Agusta.
I think Italian exterior designs are too overrated.They are not as great as some people think. The Proton Waja and Gen2 models have clearly proven that Malaysian designers are the best in the world. Proton should employ only Malaysian exterior designers or risk having their new models polluted with inferior Italian styling.
I think Italian exterior designs are too overrated.They are not as great as some people think. The Proton Waja and Gen2 models have clearly proven that Malaysian designers are the best in the world. Proton should employ only Malaysian exterior designers or risk having their new models polluted with inferior Italian styling.
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Proton cars have been rated as one of the five most reliable brands on the road in the United Kingdom, according to an independent survey.
Proton cars were ranked alongside Honda, Toyota, Mazda and Nissan as being the least likely to suffer mechanical breakdowns.
The survey was carried out by Direct Line Breakdown, one of UKˇ¦s leading road assistance operators.
This was in complete contrast to the general consumer opinion which ranked Volkswagen, Mercedes and BMW among the most mechanically reliable, Proton said in a statement on May 27.
"It shows how motorists tend to think the more expensive cars are more reliable although that isnˇ¦t always the case. Only 1% of consumers thought Proton cars were trustworthy whereas itˇ¦s actually one of the most reliable cars on the market," said Direct Line spokesperson Emma Holyer.
Proton Group chief executive officer Tengku Tan Sri Mahaleel Tengku Arif said its next target was to achieve the same standards and acknowledgement from the consumer in terms of quality of its products.
ˇ§We may not yet be consistently recognised in this area compared to the more established brands, but we are certainly doing our best to get it right and working with technical experts to ensure that we are making progressive improvements,ˇ¨ he said.
Proton cars were ranked alongside Honda, Toyota, Mazda and Nissan as being the least likely to suffer mechanical breakdowns.
The survey was carried out by Direct Line Breakdown, one of UKˇ¦s leading road assistance operators.
This was in complete contrast to the general consumer opinion which ranked Volkswagen, Mercedes and BMW among the most mechanically reliable, Proton said in a statement on May 27.
"It shows how motorists tend to think the more expensive cars are more reliable although that isnˇ¦t always the case. Only 1% of consumers thought Proton cars were trustworthy whereas itˇ¦s actually one of the most reliable cars on the market," said Direct Line spokesperson Emma Holyer.
Proton Group chief executive officer Tengku Tan Sri Mahaleel Tengku Arif said its next target was to achieve the same standards and acknowledgement from the consumer in terms of quality of its products.
ˇ§We may not yet be consistently recognised in this area compared to the more established brands, but we are certainly doing our best to get it right and working with technical experts to ensure that we are making progressive improvements,ˇ¨ he said.
In this fast moving world there is no time to stand and stare. While you contemplate your next move, others would have forged ahead by two or three strides. This is very true in auto industries.
Here we are busy trying to salvage our Proton while our northern neighbour is busy attracting automakers from all over the world.
But this title should rightfully belong to Malaysia for a number of reasons.
Firstly, we are the biggest purchaser of automobiles and therefore a ready market already exists here. Secondly, our infrastructure is about the best in this region, if not in Asia. Thirdly, our country is politically stable. There is no threat from separatists nor any such upheavals..
Finally, the workforce in Malaysia is skilled and generally has quite a good command of English. On top of that, they are quite disciplined too.
With all these good points, any investor would not have second thoughts about invest here. So the big question is, why did they flee to our neighbour? The answer is this - because we do not have a consistent policy regarding automobile industries.
For example, till today no one exactly knows the tax structure of foreign cars or even for local cars come year 2005 when the Asian Free Trade Agreement is implemented. If I am not mistaken, Thailand has already unveiled its tax structure for cars and other vehicles.
Here is a person who heads a company that has been ripping off Malaysians for two decades and he has the cheek to ask for more!
Lately, I notice a lot of hot air coming from the Proton headquarters but basically they all mean the same thing in that the company wants more subsidies and mollycoddling from the government and the Malaysian public.
The Proton CEO says that the country is losing because the competitors are not playing fair and that they are under declaring their cars' value resulting in the country collecting less tax.
What he fails to say is that for the last 20 years, Proton has not been paying the tax others have been paying, and even under the Afta regime, they still get away with a rebate from excise duties.
The country has lost billions of ringgit in providing these subsidies to Proton and yet we find Thailand way ahead of us in both automotive technology and volume of business. Mind you, the Thai people did not have to pay a single baht for this.
The price that we pay merely to call a Mitsubishi transplant a 'national car' is too much. Even if it's our home grown technology the price is still too high. The whole Proton project merely fed one person's huge ego, that's all.
To the Malaysian public, my advice is not to listen to self-serving officials who head companies that should not have been set up in the first place. Their objective is merely to sustain their position until they retire.
To me, enough is enough, and we should move on and provide the best for all Malaysians and not just for a few free loaders who pretend to be nationalists.
It is indeed better to get a car from another national car manufacturer than spending your annual leave and more money in Proton's service centres.
Unless Proton produces a car of better quality, I am certain many other frustrated Proton owners are waiting to change.
Proton has to change or be changed. Period.
Here we are busy trying to salvage our Proton while our northern neighbour is busy attracting automakers from all over the world.
But this title should rightfully belong to Malaysia for a number of reasons.
Firstly, we are the biggest purchaser of automobiles and therefore a ready market already exists here. Secondly, our infrastructure is about the best in this region, if not in Asia. Thirdly, our country is politically stable. There is no threat from separatists nor any such upheavals..
Finally, the workforce in Malaysia is skilled and generally has quite a good command of English. On top of that, they are quite disciplined too.
With all these good points, any investor would not have second thoughts about invest here. So the big question is, why did they flee to our neighbour? The answer is this - because we do not have a consistent policy regarding automobile industries.
For example, till today no one exactly knows the tax structure of foreign cars or even for local cars come year 2005 when the Asian Free Trade Agreement is implemented. If I am not mistaken, Thailand has already unveiled its tax structure for cars and other vehicles.
Here is a person who heads a company that has been ripping off Malaysians for two decades and he has the cheek to ask for more!
Lately, I notice a lot of hot air coming from the Proton headquarters but basically they all mean the same thing in that the company wants more subsidies and mollycoddling from the government and the Malaysian public.
The Proton CEO says that the country is losing because the competitors are not playing fair and that they are under declaring their cars' value resulting in the country collecting less tax.
What he fails to say is that for the last 20 years, Proton has not been paying the tax others have been paying, and even under the Afta regime, they still get away with a rebate from excise duties.
The country has lost billions of ringgit in providing these subsidies to Proton and yet we find Thailand way ahead of us in both automotive technology and volume of business. Mind you, the Thai people did not have to pay a single baht for this.
The price that we pay merely to call a Mitsubishi transplant a 'national car' is too much. Even if it's our home grown technology the price is still too high. The whole Proton project merely fed one person's huge ego, that's all.
To the Malaysian public, my advice is not to listen to self-serving officials who head companies that should not have been set up in the first place. Their objective is merely to sustain their position until they retire.
To me, enough is enough, and we should move on and provide the best for all Malaysians and not just for a few free loaders who pretend to be nationalists.
It is indeed better to get a car from another national car manufacturer than spending your annual leave and more money in Proton's service centres.
Unless Proton produces a car of better quality, I am certain many other frustrated Proton owners are waiting to change.
Proton has to change or be changed. Period.
I seriously think Malaysia should keep Proton independent at all cost.
We put up with all the ugly models and shoddy qualities when Proton was in its formative yrs.(80s-90s)
Now that Proton has raised their standards in terms of quality and and styling, some traitors want us to sell out to multinationals.
They want the national car company to be reduced to just assembling ugly foreign cars and stripped of any engine design capabilities.All the superior styling done by Malay employees will never be aproved for production by those foreign management because they got no taste.
keeping Proton independent means keeping the bragging rights as one of only 10 nations with the capability to develop a car and it's powerplant from nothing.
Selling off Proton would wipe out Malaysia's biggest source of pride.
The 20 yrs of sacrifices we went through will be for nothing.
We put up with all the ugly models and shoddy qualities when Proton was in its formative yrs.(80s-90s)
Now that Proton has raised their standards in terms of quality and and styling, some traitors want us to sell out to multinationals.
They want the national car company to be reduced to just assembling ugly foreign cars and stripped of any engine design capabilities.All the superior styling done by Malay employees will never be aproved for production by those foreign management because they got no taste.
keeping Proton independent means keeping the bragging rights as one of only 10 nations with the capability to develop a car and it's powerplant from nothing.
Selling off Proton would wipe out Malaysia's biggest source of pride.
The 20 yrs of sacrifices we went through will be for nothing.
QUOTE (XxSheGotSoulxX @ Apr 9 2005, 06:25 AM)
personally, i think that proton cars are alright, the cost is good, not too expensive. But i dont think its that stable. Like that brand, Perodua.. omg it sux, da Kancil got smacked from behind by um... i forgot what car... in bandar tun razak... half of the car got dented in ... not safe at all. its only good for parking and weeving in n out thru traffic jams.
small cars are all like that one
In order to expand the Malaysian automotive industry, the govt should only lower tariffs on foreign cars if the engines of those cars are casted in Malaysia.
We must reward any car makers who do engine casting here and punish those who refuse with high import duties.
That is the correct way to build a nation.
We must reward any car makers who do engine casting here and punish those who refuse with high import duties.
That is the correct way to build a nation.
It would seem that currently the Proton management and Tun Dr M aren't seeing eye to eye, are they. 
Proton will develop further , trust me.
The problem with Proton is they don't bring out new models fast enough and instead of adding capacity and exporting to the US, they waste their time and enormous financial resources to to buy MV Agusta.
Proton already owns Lotus and has technical tie-ups with Kenny Roberts Racing team and Volkswagen. They really don't need a debt laden bike maker.
All Proton will be doing with Agusta is using Malaysian money to finance their R&D and paying off their borrowings.
What was Tengku Mahaleel thinking ?
Proton already owns Lotus and has technical tie-ups with Kenny Roberts Racing team and Volkswagen. They really don't need a debt laden bike maker.
All Proton will be doing with Agusta is using Malaysian money to finance their R&D and paying off their borrowings.
What was Tengku Mahaleel thinking ?
that makes me laugh.. HAHAHAHAHAH.
did you know man? all of those malaysian car are Japan's Toyota technology.....Hey Malaysians..can you build your car by your self?
continue prounding your cars!! HAHAHAHA
did you know man? all of those malaysian car are Japan's Toyota technology.....Hey Malaysians..can you build your car by your self?
continue prounding your cars!! HAHAHAHA
hey Malaysians....can you help me tell your PAS-Party don't take unnecessary about Thailand?........the problems in southern Thailand are my country's problems...don't look for trouble or you would like to have a war with Thailand? it isn't good idea man. it will make your country fails.
f * c k..Malaysia the little country
f * c k..Malaysia the little country
^ Please don't f*ck M'sia. If you wanna f*ck, please do so towards the PAS Political party.
BTW I do not get what you mean. Even if I get what you mean why don't you tell them yourself. Why do you need an intermediary? It's not like we, normal citizens, get direct contact with them.
Who wants to have war with Thailand?
Why did I even bother replying?
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can you help me tell your PAS-Party don't take unnecessary about Thailand?
BTW I do not get what you mean. Even if I get what you mean why don't you tell them yourself. Why do you need an intermediary? It's not like we, normal citizens, get direct contact with them.
Who wants to have war with Thailand?
Why did I even bother replying?
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