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blackonwhite
The media or textbooks never shows this, but hawaii has had a very strong independence movement. It is a myth that hawaii is a state, more like they are still under US occupation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nqDkCzwXeY...player_embedded
samnang
not as strong as the indigenous icelandic movement. them crackas are gonna get expelled from that island real soon.
catman
QUOTE (blackonwhite @ Feb 25 2010, 04:50 PM) *
The media or textbooks never shows this, but hawaii has had a very strong independence movement. It is a myth that hawaii is a state, more like they are still under US occupation.


Worth watching. It would probably go stronger if the Republicans get back in the White House.
blackonwhite
We should all support the Hawaiian independence movement.
islander
With US increasing there defense in the Pacific they need Hawaii more then ever. There is little chance they would give up any part of Hawaii.

ocrapd
We should support the independence of Alaska, Aleutian Islands, Kuril Islands, and Hawaiian Islands from the aggression of the Whites. beerchug.gif

Let's give our fellow Inuits of Asian origin and Hawaiian of Pacific Islander origin their own homes, lives, and country, free from any dictat.
kreetslaak
QUOTE (samnang @ Feb 26 2010, 03:07 AM) *
not as strong as the indigenous icelandic movement. them crackas are gonna get expelled from that island real soon.


Indigenous Icelanders are white, dumbass.
sinraptor
very ironic since the US supports seperatist movements in other countries around the world
blackonwhite
QUOTE (kreetslaak @ Mar 5 2010, 04:54 PM) *
Indigenous Icelanders are white, dumbass.

No they're not.



They were proto-mongoloid people. Like inuits. Why do you think people like Bjork look so asian?

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The Sami people, also spelled Sámi, or Saami, (also known as Lapps, although this term is considered derogatory)[6][7] are one of the indigenous people of northern Europe inhabiting Sápmi, which today encompasses parts of northern Sweden, Norway, Finland and the Kola Peninsula of Russia but also in the border area between south and middle Sweden. Their ancestral lands span an area the size of Sweden in the Nordic countries. The Sami people are among the largest indigenous ethnic groups in Europe. Their traditional languages are the Sami languages, which are classified as members of the Finno-Lappic group of the Uralic language family.

Traditionally, the Sami have plied a variety of livelihoods, including coastal fishing, fur trapping, and sheep herding. However, the best known Sami livelihood is semi-nomadic reindeer herding – which about 10% of the Sami are connected with and 2,800 actively involved with full-time.[8] For traditional, environmental, cultural, and political reasons, reindeer herding is legally reserved only for Sami people in certain regions of the Nordic countries.[9]

Anthropologists have been studying the Sami people for hundreds of years for their assumed physical and cultural differences from the rest of Europeans. Recent genetic studies have indicated that the two most frequent maternal linages of the Sámi people are the first Homo sapiens inhabitants of Europe and the second, descendants of common ancestors with Basque people, one of the earliest inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula.[38] The most common paternal linage among the Sami are possible ancestors originating from the Volga-Ural region who may represent a Finno-Ugric speaking people.[39] The result being, of a population product of two lines of migration represented by each sex, met at some point in history in the same area (or a former one, perhaps near by). Being the one represented by the female mitochondrial DNA haplogroups the more sedentary, or local, the one with western origins more in common with other Europeans, and the male Y-DNA haplogroups the ones with an eastern origin more in common with other western Asian, Uralic peoples. At which point in history, and how it came to be, is an interesting question that however shows a much earlier date than the arrival of other human groups to the region, and maybe much southern in geography, as other archaeological finds perhaps related to the Sami have been found of earlier ages in southern parts of Scandinavia.
catman
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Celia Padron went on a Hawaiian vacation last year, lured by the prospect of beautiful beaches and friendly people. She, her husband and two teenage daughters enjoyed the black sand beach at Makena State Park on Maui. But a Hawaiian girl accosted her two teenage daughters, saying, "Go back to the mainland" and "Take your white @$$ off our beaches," says Padron, a pediatric gastroenterologist in New Jersey.

When her husband, 68 at the time, stepped between the girls, three young Hawaiian men slammed him against a vehicle, cutting his ear, and choked and punched him, Padron says. Police officers persuaded the Padrons not to press charges, saying it would be expensive for them to return for court appearances and a Hawaiian judge would side with the Hawaiian assailants, the doctor contends.

"There is no doubt in my mind [the attack] was racially motivated," she adds.

With no known hate groups and a much-trumpeted spirit of aloha or tolerance, few people outside Hawaii realize the state has a racism issue. One reason: The tourism-dependent state barely acknowledges hate crimes. That makes it hard to know how often racial violence is directed at Caucasians, who comprise about 25% of the ethnically diverse state's 1.3 million residents. Those who identify themselves as Native Hawaiian — most residents are of mixed race — account for nearly 20%.

Hawaii has collected hate crimes data since 2002 (most states began doing so a decade earlier). In the first six years, the state reported only 12 hate crimes, and half of those were in 2006. (All other things being equal, the state would be expected to have more than 800 such crimes annually, given the size of its population, according to a federal government study of hate crimes.) There was anti-white bias in eight of those incidents. But that doesn't begin to reflect the extent of racial rancor directed at non-Native Hawaiians in the Aloha State, especially in schools. For example:

The last day of school has long been unofficially designated "Beat Haole Day," with white students singled out for harassment and violence. (Haole — pronounced how-lee — is slang for a foreigner, usually white, and sometimes is used as a racial slur.)

*A non-Native Hawaiian student who challenged the Hawaiian-preference admission policy at a wealthy private school received a $7 million settlement this year.

*A 12-year-old white girl new to Hawaii from New York City needed 10 surgical staples to close a gash in her head incurred when she was beaten in 2007 by a Native Hawaiian girl who called her a "fu-king haole."

*A vocal segment of Native Hawaiians is pushing for independence to end the "prolonged occupation" by the United States and governance by natives.

*Demonstrators shouting racial epithets at whites disrupted a statehood celebration in 2006.
khuvxim
The Sami blood show only European DNA

The "caucasian mummies" from China = show only East Asian DNA

COnfusing eh.
ocrapdm
Icelanders, Scandinavians, and Samis are all of R1a1 haplogroup which is thought to be from Asia.

This partly explains their high cheekbones and softer facial features than Mediterraneans such as Italians and Greeks who have strong features.
blackonwhite
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Mar 21 2010, 02:17 AM) *
Icelanders, Scandinavians, and Samis are all of R1a1 haplogroup which is thought to be from Asia.

This partly explains their high cheekbones and softer facial features than Mediterraneans such as Italians and Greeks who have strong features.


The native ones you mean. The current Scandinavians are caucasian mixed with sami. Most scandenavians are mostly, or all white. But a few of them are obviously mixed with indigenous. Just look at bjork.
kreetslaak
QUOTE (blackonwhite @ Mar 6 2010, 04:29 AM) *
No they're not.


Yes, they are. There was absolutely no one living on Iceland when Scandinavian settlers arrived over a thousand years ago, often with Celtic wives - which is why today's Icelandic population is of Nordic/Celtic descent. As for Inuit colonists, they had barely even arrived in Greenland by then. Seeing as you somehow confused Iceland with Northern Scandinavia, I can understand if this information is new to you.

As for the 'Hawaii independence movement', some people's stupidity never ceases to amaze me. As if it objectively matters to native Hawaiians (which practically don't exist anymore; the vast majority of self-proclaimed Hawaiians are mixed wannabes) whether they are overwhelmed by Europeans or by Asians. I bet Taiwan's aborigines were overjoyed when their 'Asian brethren' decided to colonize them.
filipinoy
i think the us really wants immigration to HI & every hawaiian to be mixed so they cant really claim independence
MiCC
China should really sell weapons to these people.
ocrapdm
QUOTE (kreetslaak @ Mar 28 2010, 12:40 AM) *
As for the 'Hawaii independence movement', some people's stupidity never ceases to amaze me. As if it objectively matters to native Hawaiians (which practically don't exist anymore; the vast majority of self-proclaimed Hawaiians are mixed wannabes) whether they are overwhelmed by Europeans or by Asians. I bet Taiwan's aborigines were overjoyed when their 'Asian brethren' decided to colonize them.


Hawaiians were practically forced to give up their independence to the United States, thanks to the workings of the businessmen, plantation, and the 'so-called' missionaries there. That native Hawaiians don't exist anymore is a myth. The reason why they don't care anymore with being swamped by Europeans and Asians is because they know the US isn't giving them independence at all cost. It's simply called learned helplessness in Psychology.

If the West wants China out of Tibet, then I guess it would be as objective and just as rational as well that all Whites from America, Aus, NZ, and South Africa to return back to Europe and return these lands to the American Indians, Aborigines, Maoris, and Zulus, respectively. embarassedlaugh.gif

If Tibet is "under Chinese occupation", then so is the United States "under WASP occupation" or Australia "under Brit occupation". embarassedlaugh.gif

Were it not for indigenous resistance movements, vast swathes of Southeast Asia and Africa would prolly remain under the hands of European colonizers. Even the Brits used opium to weaken China in the late 1800s.
kreetslaak
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Mar 27 2010, 11:09 PM) *
i think the us really wants immigration to HI & every hawaiian to be mixed so they cant really claim independence


Well, that would explain why they allowed so many Asians to immigrate to Hawaii to the point that there is now an Asian plurality there.
kreetslaak
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Mar 28 2010, 07:35 AM) *
Hawaiians were practically forced to give up their independence to the United States, thanks to the workings of the businessmen, plantation, and the 'so-called' missionaries there. That native Hawaiians don't exist anymore is a myth. The reason why they don't care anymore with being swamped by Europeans and Asians is because they know the US isn't giving them independence at all cost. It's simply called learned helplessness in Psychology.


At least someone's acknowledging that Asians, too, contributed heavily to the disappearance of native Hawaiian culture, not to mention their genes - all the nonsense about 'Asian brothers' notwithstanding. Maybe now it will get through AFers' thick skulls that an ethnically pure Hawaii would mean the deportation of the hundreds of thousands of descendents of Asian-Hawaiian settlers/colonists and the disappearance of the only U.S. state where Asians form a plurality.

As for native Hawaiians, I've always read that most of them are mixed and that in many cases the term is a form of self-designation rather than actual ethnicity. I remember watching a YouTube clip of a 'Hawaiian' activist getting interviewed and he pretty much looked like a white guy. I'm not a certified expert on Hawaiian demography, though, so I'm not sure just how strong their legacy is. Either way, they are a small minority.

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If the West wants China out of Tibet, then I guess it would be as objective and just as rational as well that all Whites from America, Aus, NZ, and South Africa to return back to Europe and return these lands to the American Indians, Aborigines, Maoris, and Zulus, respectively. embarassedlaugh.gif

If Tibet is "under Chinese occupation", then so is the United States "under WASP occupation" or Australia "under Brit occupation". embarassedlaugh.gif

Were it not for indigenous resistance movements, vast swathes of Southeast Asia and Africa would prolly remain under the hands of European colonizers. Even the Brits used opium to weaken China in the late 1800s.


I don't give a damn about Tibet. Anyway, whites that whine about Tibet all the time are often the kind of spineless liberal twats that hate their own race, so they probably wouldn't even disagree with the suggestion that whites should leave the Americas. But there's not much to do when pretty much the majority of your people has turned fifth column.
walter529
QUOTE (blackonwhite @ Mar 21 2010, 05:31 PM) *
The native ones you mean. The current Scandinavians are caucasian mixed with sami. Most scandenavians are mostly, or all white. But a few of them are obviously mixed with indigenous. Just look at bjork.


Sami have nothing to do w/ Iceland. Those pictures you posted of Sami have nothing to do w/ Iceland.

Bjork's lineage is quite mysterious that has not been properly explained but a Sami theory is the least likely explanation for her Asiatic looks, considering the total absence of Sami contact with Iceland. My theory is that Bjork has an unaccounted-for East Asian ancestor in the past few generations.
ocrapdm
QUOTE (walter529 @ Mar 31 2010, 03:40 PM) *
Sami have nothing to do w/ Iceland. Those pictures you posted of Sami have nothing to do w/ Iceland.

Bjork's lineage is quite mysterious that has not been properly explained but a Sami theory is the least likely explanation for her Asiatic looks, considering the total absence of Sami contact with Iceland. My theory is that Bjork has an unaccounted-for East Asian ancestor in the past few generations.



At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia do have a distant East Asian ancestor, according to recent genetic studies. icon_neutral.gif

The "True" Europeans are the Mediterranean peoples.
walter529
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Mar 31 2010, 06:15 AM) *
At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia do have a distant East Asian ancestor, according to recent genetic studies. icon_neutral.gif

The "True" Europeans are the Mediterranean peoples.

How does that support the claim that Sami were the indigenous inhabitants of Iceland?

Also Bjork's physical appearance is quite different from other Icelanders. I would estimate that any East Asian ancestor she may have isn't "distant."
afewminutesofyourlife
Native siberians are east asians



When russians invaded siberia
crabdonut
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Mar 31 2010, 05:15 AM) *
At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia do have a distant East Asian ancestor, according to recent genetic studies. icon_neutral.gif

The "True" Europeans are the Mediterranean peoples.


Show some proof. Your baseless claims are completely out of nowhere all the time. And where did you get that number from anyway? Your @$$ thats where.
Hi Tone
QUOTE (crabdonut @ Mar 31 2010, 05:19 PM) *
Show some proof. Your baseless claims are completely out of nowhere all the time. And where did you get that number from anyway? Your @$$ thats where.

europeans did go through Saudi to get to europe
eledoremassis02
Kinda reminds me of a movie comming out that I don't think will get a wide release..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GXLnIHsB1g
crabdonut
QUOTE (khuvxim @ Mar 20 2010, 11:14 PM) *
The Sami blood show only European DNA

The "caucasian mummies" from China = show only East Asian DNA

COnfusing eh.


Not quite, they found both types of mummies in China.
crabdonut
QUOTE (Hi Tone @ Apr 2 2010, 09:40 AM) *
europeans did go through Saudi to get to europe


And?
ocrapdm
QUOTE (crabdonut @ Apr 1 2010, 05:19 AM) *
Show some proof. Your baseless claims are completely out of nowhere all the time. And where did you get that number from anyway? Your @$$ thats where.


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"One particular group of Y-STR values within R1a shows matches in Central Asia, around the Siberian Altai and Uyghur province of Western China. The recent find of Caucasian mummies in the Takla Makan deserts of the Uyghur province prove that a race of red and blond haired people with Scandinavian features, over 6' tall, once lived in this region. R1a is found at very high percentages in Western Norway, where it reaches frequencies between 23% to 30%. Some researchers believe the Icelandic Sagas, which describe a migration of a population from Asia beyond the Ural mountains, to Norway, may actually be based in fact. Thor Heyerdahl, of Kon Tiki fame, spent the remaining years of his life attempting to prove this theory -- and DNA evidence is seeming to prove him right. The Swedes have long believed this legend, and the emergence of a specific type of Scandinavian R1a with a Central Asian motif seems to support this account. "

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancest...aplogroups.html

crabdonut
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Apr 14 2010, 07:01 AM) *
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"One particular group of Y-STR values within R1a shows matches in Central Asia, around the Siberian Altai and Uyghur province of Western China. The recent find of Caucasian mummies in the Takla Makan deserts of the Uyghur province prove that a race of red and blond haired people with Scandinavian features, over 6' tall, once lived in this region. R1a is found at very high percentages in Western Norway, where it reaches frequencies between 23% to 30%. Some researchers believe the Icelandic Sagas, which describe a migration of a population from Asia beyond the Ural mountains, to Norway, may actually be based in fact. Thor Heyerdahl, of Kon Tiki fame, spent the remaining years of his life attempting to prove this theory -- and DNA evidence is seeming to prove him right. The Swedes have long believed this legend, and the emergence of a specific type of Scandinavian R1a with a Central Asian motif seems to support this account. "

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancest...aplogroups.html


Most people think R1a comes from South Asia or possibly Central Asia. That does not prove a "distant" East Asian Ancestor. And 23% to 30% is not "At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia", so you admit you exaggerated to fit your agenda. Are you done yet? kiss.gif
ocrapdm
QUOTE (crabdonut @ Apr 15 2010, 08:26 AM) *
Most people think R1a comes from South Asia or possibly Central Asia. That does not prove a "distant" East Asian Ancestor. And 23% to 30% is not "At least 30% of the entire population of Scandinavia", so you admit you exaggerated to fit your agenda. Are you done yet? kiss.gif


Hey Mr. clonecd, most people in Siberia, Uyghur, and Central Asia are classified as belonging to the Mongoloid race, or "East Asian" race.
ocrapdm
QUOTE (crabdonut @ Apr 11 2010, 05:34 AM) *
And?


Non-Africans came by way of Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, then to the Arabian Peninsula. A split occurred somewhere here, and a group of people went to the Mediterranean coast - they are (probably) the Southern Europeans. The remainder then migrated through the coast of Iran, Pakistan, and India, and then up to Central Asia. Some of them went to Europe and eventually became the Northern Europeans of Scandinavia; the others went eastward to become the East Asians.
crabdonut
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Apr 15 2010, 12:16 AM) *
Hey Mr. clonecd, most people in Siberia, Uyghur, and Central Asia are classified as belonging to the Mongoloid race, or "East Asian" race.


Siberia is made up of not only what you say "Mongoloid" people but also many different groups of people speaking Indo-European languages aka "Caucasians". Furthermore, you forget that South Asia is also, along with Central Asia, the most supported origin of R1a. I'm sure you know that almost all of South Asia are composed of people you would consider "Caucasian".

QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Apr 15 2010, 12:22 AM) *
Non-Africans came by way of Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, then to the Arabian Peninsula. A split occurred somewhere here, and a group of people went to the Mediterranean coast - they are (probably) the Southern Europeans. The remainder then migrated through the coast of Iran, Pakistan, and India, and then up to Central Asia. Some of them went to Europe and eventually became the Northern Europeans of Scandinavia; the others went eastward to become the East Asians.


First of all, the out of Africa theory is not completely confirmed. Second, I'm quite aware of what he meant but even if we consider the out of Africa theory to be correct, R1a had not even come in to existence yet and the people migrating haven't even developed in to "East Asians" yet when they moved to Europe hence why I think what he said was irrelevant.

Just so we're clear. I am not completely opposed to the idea that some Scandinavians may have "East Asian" ancestry, but you will need far more proof for a claim like that.
ocrapdm
QUOTE (crabdonut @ Apr 15 2010, 02:38 PM) *
Siberia is made up of not only what you say "Mongoloid" people but also many different groups of people speaking Indo-European languages aka "Caucasians". Furthermore, you forget that South Asia is also, along with Central Asia, the most supported origin of R1a. I'm sure you know that almost all of South Asia are composed of people you would consider "Caucasian".


Yup; but the study considers Siberia as being part of "Central Asia". I'm sure you also know that when anthropologists talk about Central Asia and Siberia, it refers to the indigenous people who are largely "Mongoloid" in origins.

The said study also talks about Siberians and Uyghurs, which are both considered Mongoloid.
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crabdonut
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Apr 15 2010, 11:04 AM) *
Yup; but the study considers Siberia as being part of "Central Asia". I'm sure you also know that when anthropologists talk about Central Asia and Siberia, it refers to the indigenous people who are largely "Mongoloid" in origins.

The said study also talks about Siberians and Uyghurs, which are both considered Mongoloid.
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Nope they consider it Central Asia who are composed of "Mongoloid" and "Caucasian" people. Don't make assumptions. Also you didn't explain the part about scientists also considering South Asia as the origin of R1a and South Asia is composed of mainly "Caucasians". beerchug.gif
ocrapdm
QUOTE (crabdonut @ Apr 16 2010, 08:25 AM) *
Nope they consider it Central Asia who are composed of "Mongoloid" and "Caucasian" people. Don't make assumptions. Also you didn't explain the part about scientists also considering South Asia as the origin of R1a and South Asia is composed of mainly "Caucasians". beerchug.gif


When they mentioned Siberia and Xinjiang, it means that they referred to people living there, who are classified generally as belonging to the "Mongoloid race". But yes, most of South Asia is "Caucasoid".

Although I think it properly refers to the ancestral group of both Mongoloids and Caucasoids - the Northern Eurasians (Cavalli-Sforza), as you said - but leaning more toward the Mongoloid side.
Hugham
Human outside Africa based on their gene are divided into 3 group of migration.

The first human migrate outside Africa known as black race. This black race is the ancestor of Indian Dravidian, Tibetan, Papua New Guinea, Australia Aborigins and Japan Ainu (may be, I'm a bit forget between Ainu or Jomon).

The second human migrate outside Africa known as brown race. This brown race is the ancestor of Arabs, Jews, Mongols-Turkic (old Asian), America Indian and Jomon Japanese. They have a huge head, the biggest head human ever had.

The third human migrate outside Africa known as white-yellow race (yellow or light brown). This white-yellow race is the ancestor of Germans, Han Chinese, SE Asians, North Indian. They called as white race because they have recessive DNA on pigment color that makes them look pale and blond hair. The came out from Africa, stay in the middle east, then move to the Central Asia. From Central Asia they move to 3 directions. One go to the Europe. The other go to North India then to S China, Indo-China and then to West Indonesia. The rest go to the North China through Xinjiang.


From the information above, that is why we can find a lot of DNA similarity between Jomon Japanese and Jews. Chinese and new Asian also have a lot of similarity with European.


About the face. If East Asian and European or Turkic and Arabs are the same people, why they look different, one is Mongoloid and the other is Causasoid. The reason is because of weather and geographic location. If Chinese live in Europe for thousands of years they will slowly became Caucasoid and vice versa. Geographic can change skin color too, from dark to white in just 100 generations if you stay in the right place.

There also mix people. Like Middle Eastern, North Chinese people, Malays, etc.
samnang
bjork actually has some pretty sweet music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BML2JAFUIaw

i loved that song and video as a kid.
JaM
QUOTE (samnang @ Apr 18 2010, 12:59 AM) *
bjork actually has some pretty sweet music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BML2JAFUIaw

i loved that song and video as a kid.


I like that one too.

Anyway, what a bunch of nutty theories in this thread, and nothing to do with Hawaii.

I wonder about whether there is a real movement kind of thing that is supported by native Hawaiians in general, or if it's just some fringe thing? Is there a real wish for independence, and how much of the population of Hawaii consider themselves as native Hawaiians/Polynesians?
crabdonut
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Apr 17 2010, 12:04 AM) *
When they mentioned Siberia and Xinjiang, it means that they referred to people living there, who are classified generally as belonging to the "Mongoloid race". But yes, most of South Asia is "Caucasoid".

Although I think it properly refers to the ancestral group of both Mongoloids and Caucasoids - the Northern Eurasians (Cavalli-Sforza), as you said - but leaning more toward the Mongoloid side.


It doesn't matter if they're considered "Mongoloid", we all already know that they're part Caucasian and it seems that you agree with me that you didn't properly thought this through when you made that claim.
AsiaticGlory
Here is a map depicting Hawaii's racial demographics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/501...157624812674967

Notice how most of the non-Asians concentrate near the military bases. If Hawaii becomes independent, it will quickly become more Asian. Like Singapore, it can serve as a "gateway country" for Westernized Asians who want to reintegrate into an Asian society.
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