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is this the alphabet pinoy ppl were used in philipiens before u got pwned by spanish equestedor?

I made a thread on It already
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...20&start=20

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is this the alphabet pinoy ppl were used in philipiens before u got pwned by spanish equestedor?

The Philippines got "Indianized" through Malaysia and Indonesia.

There was NO direct contact with Indian culture.

Most Philippine terms from Sanskrit (e.g., mukha, guro, dalubhasa, sampalataya, etc.) were borrowed through Malay; likewise, all Hindu artifacts in the Phils came through Malay traders, as well as Arab and Persian seafarers.

The Tagalog people had another system of writing similar to East Asian ideographs (seen in Angono Petroglyphs). The baybayin from the Pallava script came much later.

The proselytization by the Spaniards and the banning of trading/seafaring ways, and the banning of the carrying of arms finally made the islanders pacified and ISOLATED from their other Malay brethren(Spaniards only sanctioned the official Galleon trade for their profit as well as some mestizos'). The Spaniards were guilty also of cultural extinction, now we've forgotten our past, our connections with our Southeast Asian brothers and made our people INDOLENT(noticed by French and Austrian observers and even by JOSE RIZAL in the 19th century who also noted the cultural degradation as compared to other colonized states in Southeast Asia). Fortunately, a renaissance about our past is having a resurgence.
(Note: The probable reason why the Spaniards banned the trading-seafaring ways of the Indios or East Indians and relegated the trading to Chinese traders who were kept under control in a district called Parian(Spaniards didn't have a port in China unlike the Portuguese and so relied on the coming of the Chinese traders for the China goods), and of course to the state-sanctioned Galleon trade was the lessons learned from the Tondo conspiracy or the Revolt of the Lakans or the Brunei-Japan-Tondo connections. The Spaniards feared ALLIANCES would be forged again with its neigbors such as the SULU SULTANATE, MALACCA SULTANATE, BRUNEI SULTANATE, AND TO JAPAN to topple their colony. link: http://senorenrique.blogspot.com/2008/08/t...of-1587-88.html

The Philippines got "Indianized" through Malaysia and Indonesia.

There was NO direct contact with Indian culture.

lol indians had been living in the PI way before the europeans even came

I doubt Phillipines ever became Hindus.
It was never recorded that way.
I think there are just some contacts between Phillipines and other SEA kingdoms, but remember something, not all the SEA kingdoms were Hindus either.
It is a mistake to assume all those SEA kingdoms in Malaysia and Indonesia became Hindus. Actually not.
Only a few kingdoms became Hindus, and intermittently.
Some switched to Buddhism, some switched to Islam. Some still retain their traditional practices.
So whatever the Hindu influence that they had, I think it was not enough to significantly influence Phillipines to become Hindu.

Philippine gold artifacts in general tend to be more elaborate and better crafted than most from West Borneo.

Harrisson looked at the Dr Arturo de Santos collection (part of which was acquired by the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas) as well, and observed that “…the range of Philippine gold jewelry…includes many pieces of a complexity and finesse that is beyond anything attempted in Borneo” in so far as what had been found at that time (Harrisson 1968: 56).

Throughout Indonesia there was a relationship between gold artifacts and the ruling aristocracy, in the class-power centers which developed on the coastal plains around the middle of the 1st millenium AD (Harrisson 1968:44). Precious metals were worked ‘exclusively in those areas where the influence of Hinduism was strongest’: he includes Java, Bali, southern Celebes and the coastal districts of Borneo. These areas developed as centers with established hierarchies, which necessitated the conspicuous display of wealth (Harrisson 1968: 47).

There was a demand for gold, which the Philippines could have supplied. It would be reasonable to suggest that one of the main sources of Javanese and Bornean gold was the Philippines. That trade would have been important enough to have been direct, by-passing minor pass-on players say, in Sarawak or Sulawesi. Moreover, the early interest in gold from the Philippines would have been in the raw material rather than wrought artifacts. In turn, local interest would have been on goods not made of gold, which they had plenty of.

quotes Alcina, a Jesuit writing about a hundred years after Legaspi, the conquistadores of the Philippines in the 16th century:
“I do remember that once when I was solemnizing a marriage of a Bisayan principala, she was so weighed down with jewelry that it caused her to stoop — to me it was close to an arroba or so (1 arroba = 25 lbs.), which was a lot of weight for a girl of twelve. Then again, I also heard it said that her grandfather had a jar full of gold which alone weighed five or six arrobas. Even this much is little in comparison to what they actually had in ancient times.”

In some of the annals, we had the Japanese and the Chinese having their own enclaves like the Parian or Dilao even before the Spaniards came. No mention of Bombay Indians I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. If they were I am quite sure the Spaniards will use them to suppress the locals like the Japanese were used as Mercenaries for their divide and conquer tactics. Anyways, the Spaniards call the indigenous locals as Indians or Indios and Moros. But no differentiation were made if there were Bombay Indians amongst the local Indios at that time.

Indian settlements started during British invasion where the Sepoys were used as soldiers but defected. But we can presume as much as local historians(colonial-minded) that there were Indians from Subcontinental India because of the heavy admixture of Sanskrit words in our language. They failed to see the viewpoint of ancient Filipinos as ACTIVE traders and subscribed to the idea of the INDIOS as passive recipient of the Malay, Chinese, Indian and the Arab trade.

But I am sure there was DIRECT trade contacts to India as our Austronesian forefathers were well known mariners and traders reaching to all THREE INDIAS even to East Africa(ZANJ). We even have indigenous trading vessels laden with PERSIAN WARES. Persia is obviously farther than India.

In the tarsilas or genealogies(which are quasihistorical documents accdg to Scott) the local royals including the royalties of the Malaccan, Bruneian Sultanates especially those descending from the Bruneian Moslem Sultan Ragam or Bulkeiah, bragged of somewhat unbelievable claims like having Indian(Indian princess married to Alexander the Great), Arab(Prophet Mohammed), Chinese descent(via Ong Sum Ping) and even Macedonian descent(Alexander the Great).

yeah, if the locals are called INDIOS. then bumbay indians are called what, indios too right? & muslim indians are probably called moros too


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asians_...ippines#History

In a not too distant past Hindu culture stretched from the Philippines to Madagascar. Hindu merchants dominated trade, Hindu kings ruled over vast territories and the Hindu religion was practiced by millions of Malays, Indonesians, Thais, Cambodians, Laotians, Vietnamese, Burmese, Filipinos and Africans.

So, are you saying the Hindu artifacts were made by Malay traders like the Tara statue in Butuan as not made by locals. I don't think so. Many Gold artifacts bearing some HIndu and Buddhist influence were proven to be made locally as authenticated by various experts such in the case of the Gold artifacts found in Surigao and Butuan. The LCI or LAGUNA COPPERPLATE INSCRIPTION, as authenticated by the Dutch expert, was not made in Indonesia or Malaysia.

No direct evidence that Persian traders came like Persian boats was found. But at the contrary, Balangay boats were found all over the isles with evidences of China wares, Indian wares and even Persian wares in them or near sites where the boats were found suggesting direct trading contacts from Philippine isles to as far as Persia and India done by local traders to those places near and far. No, these are not Chinese junks nor Indian trading vessels though there were some Chinese and Bruneian junks found, majority of the trading vessels found are still indigenous or locals. Of course you are going to say that these are Malay traders(But the experts were able to distinguish Bruneian or Malay trading vessels from the local ones)...

But Luzon traders were all over the place in maritime Southeast Asia. They were even carryinng China goods and mistaken as Chinamen in Batavia(Jakarta, Java) and in Cebu. (Accdg to the Portuguese annals as pointed by William Henry Scott.)

The local Indios were not passive(recipient) from the trade but were active seafarers, traders, mercenaries, and raiders.

The Baybayin script, the Laguna copperplate inscription with its Kavi script based from the Brahmin script and the Gold of our ancestors (as found in Surigao and Butuan) are good cases for Indian influences.

The Baybayin script "evolved" from the Java script, which in turn, is from the Pallava script, which came directly from the Brahmin script.

In any case, the evolution wasn't direct.

For sure, there are Indian influences in Filipino culture (and Luzon sailors could possibly arrive in India), but the fact remains that there was no large Indian population or settlement in the Phils to significantly influence the country, and most of these so-called influences came indirectly through way of Malaysia.

I don't meant to be religiously bashing anyone but IMO, the good thing that Indonesia was colonialized by The Netherlands or Malaysia-Singapore-Brunei was colonialized by British is, there was never a systematic mass (forced or not) conversion of natives to Catholicism took place as happened in The Phillippines. Look.., most of former Spanish empire colony are overwhelmingly turn out into a Catholic majority nations.

Netherlands and British belongs to Protestant or Anglo Saxon Church. The Netherlands since early of their nation history are quite liberal, secular and more interested in trade rather than religious feud. The Netherland also suffer domination of Spanish empire and hegemony of Papal Vatican until the independence of Netherlands by The House of Orange, so they tends to yawn or even oppose the domination of Spanish empire and Vatican. They are more interested in trade and economic domination rather than.., no offense "saving the soul of savages". Ofcourse there was promotion of Christianity in Malaysia or Indonesia during colonial times, but never a systematic eradication of native's beliefs. But well, that's history...

I believe Phillipines was once a member of this ancient maritime trade network and also influenced by Hinduism through their neighbour in Indonesia, however somehow native Austronesian Tribal Animism and Shamanism still thrive, just like happened in many parts of Indonesia. Ancient Phillipines have diplomatic relations with Medang (Mdang i Bhumi Mataram) in ancient Java 9-10 century AD. It's a good thing that Phillipines reclaim their lost history and forgotten glory.

Folk Christianity

Introduction

The Philippines is known as the only Christian country in East Asia. About 66 percent of the population are nominal or committed Roman Catholics and about seven percent of the population are Protestant. However, much of the Christianity is mixed with animism, creating Folk Christianity.

Indigenous religions

The first Filipinos practised animistic religions. Since there are over 7000 islands there was a great diversity of animistic belief and practice, just as there are many tribal groups and languages. Successive waves of immigrants introduced Hinduism and Islam, and later Christianity.
Records made by Spanish settlers and missionaries, and existing tribal religion, show that the indigenous Filipinos believed in a supreme sky god, or creator god. This god was invisible, his name was sacred and only spoken during rituals, and no images of him were made. He was believed to be so far from humanity that contact was often made via lower deities, in the form of prayers and rituals. These lower deities were divided into benign and malign, and both were petitioned or appeased.
There was also belief in a kind of ‘trinity’ of gods. Beneath the sky-god was his son, who was usually associated with the sun. There was also another god who was a kind of inherent spirit. (Although this belief bears some similarity to Christian ideas, it also has parallels in Hinduism and Pacific religions.) Generally no images were made of any of these gods.

Primitive animism

The ancient beliefs also included animism. Spirits were thought to dwell in all objects, particularly natural features such as trees, rocks, water, weather conditions. Offerings were made to these spirits, and places where malign spirits were believed to dwell were avoided. Animals were also believed to house spirits, and humans were believed to have kindred animal spirits. Thus some animals were considered sacred or symbolic.

Life after death

Most Filipino tribes believed in life after death, and the widespread belief was in a heaven for the good and a hell for the bad. Heaven and hell were generally thought to be divided into different levels, through which the soul could move by gaining merit. Some tribes believed that souls went to different places according to how they died. In many regions of the Philippines, it was thought that people had more than one soul; sometimes three souls, sometimes two. Of the two, the good soul went to heaven and the bad one went to hell or remained on earth. Some tribes still believe that if a child is born close to the death of a family member, the child will receive a part of the dead person’s soul. Ancestor worship was also practised, with the spirits of the ancestors remaining on earth or visiting the living.
Many of these beliefs are still held by tribal groups, and many have been mixed with Christianity.

Roman Catholicism in the Philippines

Spanish settlers arrived in the Philippines in the early 1500s. They named the archipelago after their king, Philip II, in 1542, and in 1565 the islands were conquered by Spain. Roman Catholic missionaries were among the early settlers. They began teaching and converting almost immediately, but allowed existing Filipino culture to coexist with Christian belief and church teachings.
This understanding produced the Folk Catholicism which prevails in the Philippines. That is, the coexistence of animism and Catholicism. Filipinos believing in this do not perceive inconsistencies between the two.
The mix of Folk Catholicism is evident in daily Filipino life. In Catholic areas, the local spirits of animist belief have been largely replaced with local patron saints. A crucifix or cross is believed to ward off evil spirits in the same way as an amulet. In buses and taxis there is often a shrine or statue of the Virgin Mary or baby Jesus, believed to protect those who travel. There are also Christian slogans and pictures in public places.
Shrines are visited, particularly around the times of Christian festivals, such as Easter. Some shrines are ostensibly Christian but are built on the site of pagan shrines and still used for animistic or psychic purposes.
It is also common to attend church (usually Mass) regularly or hold Christian beliefs but also to follow animistic practices. Some people visit a spirit doctor if they are ill or have a problem with another person. They might make sacrifices or offerings to spirits for appeasement or when asking for good health or good crops. This would include people in rural and urban areas, the well educated and the uneducated. Tribal animistic practises range from low-key rituals (performed by some Christians as well as non-Christians) such as burning something bad-smelling when ill, in order to ward off evil spirits (who are believed to hate bad smells), to the possession of a familiar spirit and sacrifices to appease it.

Ancestor veneration

Ancestor veneration is also practised in some areas and on All Souls Day (31 October) many people, including those with Christian beliefs, visit graveyards to tend the graves of deceased relatives and to offer food. These activities have grown out of ancient beliefs surrounding death, the afterlife and the spirits of ancestors. The spirits of the dead were appeased in order to prevent them from harming the living, or worse, taking the living with them to the realm of the dead. Death was feared because of the spirits. Many animistic tribal communities still believe in ancestral spirits and base their lives around appeasement or avoidance. In other areas the fear of death has been absorbed into Catholicism.

the folk traditions and beliefs of the Philippines were never eradicated and are still practiced today.

http://www.omf.org/omf/uk/asia/religions/folk_christianity

I don't meant to be religiously bashing anyone but IMO, the good thing that Indonesia was colonialized by The Netherlands or Malaysia-Singapore-Brunei was colonialized by British is, there was never a systematic mass (forced or not) conversion of natives to Catholicism took place as happened in The Phillippines. Look.., most of former Spanish empire colony are overwhelmingly turn out into a Catholic majority nations.

Netherlands and British belongs to Protestant or Anglo Saxon Church. The Netherlands since early of their nation history are quite liberal, secular and more interested in trade rather than religious feud. The Netherland also suffer domination of Spanish empire and hegemony of Papal Vatican until the independence of Netherlands by The House of Orange, so they tends to yawn or even oppose the domination of Spanish empire and Vatican. They are more interested in trade and economic domination rather than.., no offense "saving the soul of savages". Ofcourse there was promotion of Christianity in Malaysia or Indonesia during colonial times, but never a systematic eradication of native's beliefs. But well, that's history...

I believe Phillipines was once a member of this ancient maritime trade network and also influenced by Hinduism through their neighbour in Indonesia, however somehow native Austronesian Tribal Animism and Shamanism still thrive, just like happened in many parts of Indonesia. Ancient Phillipines have diplomatic relations with Medang (Mdang i Bhumi Mataram) in ancient Java 9-10 century AD. It's a good thing that Phillipines reclaim their lost history and forgotten glory.

I said only a few percentile of our population have a phenotype like SHIVAKER'S.

The thesis done by Mike Pangilinan seems to point for a parallel development from the Brahmi script for both Kavi script and Baybayin script as well as Indianized script of the Japanese and the Korean buddhists as a result of Srivijaya influence.

Btw, I'm implying Srivijaya = (equals) the present countries of Philippines+Malaysia+Indonesia(and not Srivijaya equals Malaysia+Indonesia only)

in keeping with... PKM's thesis: Sanfotsi, Zabag or Srivijaya's capital was formerly located in the Philippine isles. Refer to the link I gave. btw, Austronesian influences to India were also entertained by PKM.

There is such a misconception when we speak of Majapahit or Srivijaya as empires following the western point of view as in Roman empire or any other empires. The correct term is Alliance or Confederacy or thalasocracy. Various independent city states throughout maritime Southeast Asia as they were not continental just acknowledge some form of allegiance to powers of whatever ruling clan predominated on certain period like the Srivijayas and Majapahit. They were connected by TRADE NETWORKS, ROYAL INTERMARRIAGES, AND LOOSE POLITICAL ALLIANCES OR CONFEDERACIES with an allegiance to a Maharaja(in case for Zabag or Sanfotsi or Srivijaya). So we can't say for certain such influences came via Malaysia or Indonesia as the INTRICATE TRADE AND CULTURAL CONNECTIONS are INTERWOVEN.

Even with the advent of Islam, Maritime SEA were interconnected. And the coming of the western powers divided them as the countries we now know as Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia and the rest of the countries of Southeast Asia.

That the Spaniards are worse colonial administrators is seconded by the fact that all their former colonies (Mexico, Argentina, Equatorial Guinea, Philippines, Argentina, Paraguay, Bolivia) are now poor, bankrupt, and ridden with corruption. Poverty is seen as a value in Catholic thinking. The French did the same = Indochina, West Africa

Venezuela was a colony on Spain and 98 percent of its population is Catholic and the Philippines is only 85 percent maybe less but why is Venezuela rich and the highest wage earner in Latin America?

Mexico is the 11th largest economy in the world and Argentina which has 92 percent Catholic population is also rich.

I think Catholicism has no relevance to the economic status of a country.

When the Philippines was still a colony of Spain it was the richest is Asia and many neighboring countries envied the Philippines during that time then after WW2 and gained independence from the United States the Philippines was #2 in Asia after Japan and many countries also envied us.

Something just happened along the way that made the Philippines really poor.

Venezuela was a colony on Spain and 98 percent of its population is Catholic and the Philippines is only 85 percent maybe less but why is Venezuela rich and the highest wage earner in Latin America?

Mexico is the 11th largest economy in the world and Argentina which has 92 percent Catholic population is also rich.

I think Catholicism has no relevance to the economic status of a country.

When the Philippines was still a colony of Spain it was the richest is Asia and many neighboring countries envied the Philippines during that time then after WW2 and gained independence from the United States the Philippines was #2 in Asia after Japan and many countries also envied us.

Something just happened along the way that made the Philippines really poor.

the folk traditions and beliefs of the Philippines were never eradicated and are still practiced today.

http://www.omf.org/omf/uk/asia/religions/folk_christianity

Marcos was the one who removed Spanish from the curriculum and replaced the currency series to Filipino (from a formerly US-dollar resembling English series).

Most progressive nations in Europe, North America, Australia, and Africa are all Protestant nations.

Venezuela was a colony on Spain and 98 percent of its population is Catholic and the Philippines is only 85 percent maybe less but why is Venezuela rich and the highest wage earner in Latin America?

Mexico is the 11th largest economy in the world and Argentina which has 92 percent Catholic population is also rich.

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is this the alphabet pinoy ppl were used in philipiens before u got pwned by spanish equestedor?

Most archeological evidence, however, support an extra-Philippine source from the Sumatran Malay, Java, or Chamic scripts.

Malay loan words?
isnt tagalog & malay are in the same language family?. most similar words & word roots in the two languages are Cognates meaning that they might have only similar words because they evolved from a common ancestor, not from word loaning.

It was Cory Aquino who removed Spanish from the curriculum not Marcos. The Philippines is still using the Peso which is still the currency in Latin America. Marcos also revived the Sri Vijayaness of the Philippines which I like.

Actually I blame the Marcos and Aquinos for the economic demise of the Philippines. Fidel Ramos was the only president who was able to make the Philippines an economic tiger again until Erap came along that it became a disaster for the Philippine economy. If Marcos is a dictator, Aquino is actually a communist/socialist who like the Philippines to be a Socialist country.

I do not like Villar nor NoyNoy to become the next president I like Gordon to be the next president.


Luxembourg the richest country in EU is 87% Catholic also Australia is also predominantly Catholic.

The richest state in America is California and guess what is their dominant religion?

@Majapahitans:
Speaking of indigenous beliefs, do Indonesians have a counterpart to our local ANTING ANTING or AGIMAT or HIYAS( AMULET or CHARMS )? link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agimat

-which are usually energetically charged by PRAYERS or ORACIONS or MANTRA in the BURNAY language( sounds LATIN but not actually)

supposed to give the bearer SUPERHUMAN strenght or abilities.

they have what they called patutuo or TESTING, by submitting themselves to be hacked by bolo(jungle knife) and they will be unharmed.

btw, an Indonesian martial arts called Tetada Kalimasada http://tkqc.bravehost.com/ , have gained many adherents here in the Philippines

where practitioners through some exercises to strengthen their CHAKRA centers gained some form of enhanced energy, endurance and healing abilities...

they can even throw a CHI BALL (energy ball) http://johanarifin.multiply.com/video/item...Braja_by_dr.Ida

It was Cory Aquino who removed Spanish from the curriculum not Marcos. The Philippines is still using the Peso which is still the currency in Latin America. Marcos also revived the Sri Vijayaness of the Philippines which I like.

Actually I blame the Marcos and Aquinos for the economic demise of the Philippines. Fidel Ramos was the only president who was able to make the Philippines an economic tiger again until Erap came along that it became a disaster for the Philippine economy. If Marcos is a dictator, Aquino is actually a communist/socialist who like the Philippines to be a Socialist country.

I do not like Villar nor NoyNoy to become the next president I like Gordon to be the next president.


Luxembourg the richest country in EU is 87% Catholic also Australia is also predominantly Catholic.

The richest state in America is California and guess what is their dominant religion?

For e.g., a colonial minded individual, will speak of the lexicon of Tagalog as "borrowed" from malay but to another individual like filipinoy would say.

Twas Marcos who started the Sabah claim, though he should have also included the northern areas of Kalimantan Utara and Palmas Island of Indonesia which historically belongs to the Philippines. (Spratly doesn't historically belong to the Phils).

^theres a municipality of a couple hundred people called kalayaan on pag-asa island

because if those happened to be loan words, then that would also mean tagalog have loan words from hawaiian, malagasy, ami & 1000 other languages

It was Marcos who first took the initiative in removing Spanish from the curriculum (Spanish was removed by Marcos' Constitution); Aquino finished it.

Before Marcos, the Philippine Peso was in English; today, it is in Filipino.

Twas Marcos who started the Sabah claim, though he should have also included the northern areas of Kalimantan Utara and Palmas Island of Indonesia which historically belongs to the Philippines. (Spratly doesn't historically belong to the Phils).

The economic demise of the Philippines comes from corruption, actually started during the term of Magsaysay. Coincidentally, he was also the first president to start the colorful type of presidential campaigns that we have now. I think there's some connection between the two. Magsaysay was a stooge of CIA officer Landsdale, and he revived the Anti-Chinese and Anti-Indian policies of the American Colonial Period (which led most Filipino-Chinese and Filipino-Indians to hate him up to this day).

Marcos was the one who started massive looting from the country's treasury, although many modern infrastructures today date from his term (NLEx, SLEx, completion of EDSA, Manila LRT, PICC, and many hotel chains). In the end, he was betrayed by the IMF and the American government, forcing him to resign and hand over power to another USA stooge: Aquino - who was meant to be a transitional president.

In reality, the Philippines is actually more of a client state or a protectorate of the USA; it isn't really completely independent, more like Palau or Federated States of Micronesia. All Philippine presidential candidates are always summoned by the US government to present their platforms and plans.

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If Gordon wins, the Philippines will vacillate again toward the USA and the gains in the "Asianization" of the Philippines will lose ground. Of course he has American blood (just like Gibo, too), and naturally, he will tend to side with the USA instead of other Asian countries.

Luxembourg (a Catholic country) may be rich, but it is an exception rather than a general trend.

Australia is majority Catholic, although a substantial portion of Australians are Protestants; MOST of its Prime Ministers are Protestants, too, mostly Presbyterian and Anglican. Out of 18 Christian Prime Ministers, 12 are Protestant and only 6 are Catholic.

CA became the richest state because it is where many large businesses are located (e.g., Silicon Valley, Hollywood, etc.); most of these are founded by Jewish Americans who are the ruling class. The large Hispanic population of CA (4 out of 10 Californians) account for the large Catholic population.

Historically Sabah was a territory of the Philippines from 1521–1898. The Sultan of the Philippines still own Sabah because the British Borneo East India Company was renting Sabah from the Sultanates. When the British mandate claimed that Sabah is now part of Malaysia, they were not giving or just giving less rental fees to the Sultanates which made them furious so they made a deal and asked help from Marcos to reclaim Sabah in return that they will give some parts of Sabah to Marcos. The only way to reclaim Sabah is to make a referendum there and make the large Filipino Community there to decide where it really belongs to.

The Spratly was a different case because it was claimed by the Philippines under UNCLOS laws which is legal. Spratlys is not actually livable they were just stop overs for fishermen the reason why it is disputed is because what is under it which is oil. I hope that someday the the Spratlys would be underwetar so nobody can claim it anymore but the area of water will still ours under the UNCLOS laws.

The Marianas should also be ours which historically was part of the Philippines which was only divided the the Americans. Remember that the Marianas is within the Philippine tectonic plate.

I see. So your choice of the presidency is still within the context of Philippines for the East Asians.

The people who would do the looting more actually occured right after Edsa, when Cory Aquino allowed her Kamag-anak Inc. to bankrupt various state controlled corporations and national utility companies then the oligarchs would have them(Cory gave the sequestered and state-owned Meralco to the Lopezes for no extra cost) and some Marcos cronies like El Capitan, Lucio Tan, bought some of these and declared them as all for themselves. READ THIS THREAD... http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430188

Marcos wealth came from the so called Yama$hita treasure(Remember the Golden Buddha of Rogelio Roxas) and not much from corruption as what the saintly Corystas say and he literally bought the presidency with tons of cash to the voters.

About the Spratleys and the Sabah claim, that was sufficiently answered by the above posters. The next thing we know, China would claim the entire South China sea.

The demise of the Philippines occured during the decontrol which started during the Macapagal presidency. The Philippines had been employing decontrol since the early '60s, leading to the results seen today: chronic trade deficits, a contracted manufacturing sector, heavy reliance on foreigners for loans, and much of economic growth based on consumer spending. Not surprisingly, the U.S. has the same characteristics.

In contrast, Asian nations employed protectionism. And once they became Industrialized(NIC's) and that's when they opened up.

TO REITERATE(WHICH ANSWERED HOW WE BECAME THE LAGGARD OR THE SICKMAN OF ASIA):

We have successive pro-globalist presidents with their IMF-WB-WTO mantra of GLOBALIZATION, DEREGULATION, LIBERALIZATION AND PRIVATIZATIONS.

One such pro Globalist president that we had in the past is FVR...
He signed many sovereign guarantee contracts which accounted for the high cost of electriciy and add to that the failure to operate the BNPP which could have solved the more than 12 hours of brown outs during the Cory administration which caused many factories to closed. No industrialization will take place in a country with sky high electricity rates like what we have now. Pang CALL CENTER ECONOMY lang. Such industries that rely heavily in electricity will not be able to compete GLOBALLY (in the so called level playing field of the very UNFAIR FREE Trade) and will soon close down just like what had happen to our various factories leading to so many jobs lost. It's so easy to see the vicious cycle that would ensue, with corruption getting more rampant, increasing prostitution and hunger, a resulting substandard health care, more crime, etc and thus, we ended up as a NATION of SERVANTS and the SICKMAN OF ASIA.

lol
Tha's both hilarious and illogical.
What would be apt and scientific(in a typical Lindsay style) would be...
The fairer-skinned chinesey eyed(Chinese looking) AMI invaders and traders of Taiwan(who themselves were pushed to the south by the invading Hans) went to the Philippines, Hawaii and Indonesia, and along the way found the curly haired dark-skinned Melanesians, Aetas as desirable and cross-breed with the latter producing the beautiful people of the Polynesians and the brown race, the Malays and bringing or loaning them the Austronesian words.
Oops, that's hilarious also but that's the debunked Out of Taiwan theory(but still favorable among the academe esp. the linguist) http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=223334 . As ridiculous as the debunked racist ARYAN invasion theory.

There is no other hope or future for the Philippines unless it joins a confederation of East Asian nations (including ASEAN of course). It's the only way to stop corruption because without external checks, the politicians would continue doing their own way.