Cái đó gọi là uống rượu cần đó anh. Các dân tộc ở vùng cao hay uống loại rượu đó. Người Thái, người Tày và cả những dân tộc ở Tây Nguyên nữa, họ đều thích uống rượu cần.

Em goc o dau ha?
Anh it nghe nguoi ta noi ruou can.
Anh chi nghe nguoi ta noi ruou vang.

Em gốc ở Sài Gòn.

Cái này vì em đọc và tìm hiểu nhiều nên mới biết

Em co khi nao di choi voi nguoi muong ko?

va anh goc o thanh pho tuy hoa. Ba anh la nguoi mien trung va me anh la nguoi mien bac.

ba me em la nguoi mien nam ha?

Không, em chưa từng gặp một người Mường nào bao giờ.

did u hear that? she just admitted she has never met a muong person in VN and now she's sitting in her chair for 18 hours posting pictures of the muongs. this chick is nuts.

Vâng, cả nhà em ai cũng là người miền Nam hết.

Anh ở tỉnh nào vậy?

P/S: Em chẳng hiểu sao cái thằng Nihilus nó cứ kè kè theo em chửi em hoài. Anh cho nó uống tí thuốc giùm em.



You got problem with this topic?

Posting pictures of our ethnic minority is still better than you posting pictures of Japanese girls and claim them to be Viet.

The style clothing are the same or should I say similar to that of the Tai ethnic east to northeast of Laos. Laos ethnic haven't change much until now. I have even seen these kind of patterns to somewhat similar just like the picture you post.

Xigon just accept the truth about your Viet origin, before it is too distance for your people to forget about themself. This can cause alot of headace and social problems for the Vietnamese future generation. Also, your governement is actually working hard to build this historic treasure about there own origin right in Laos! Just because in Vietnam today, people there tend to get too dramatic about there own people origin.

haha nice!

If you want to claim anything then at least post some pics up.

Muong clothes








Dai clothes






Lao clothes






Yea pretty similar.

Yes we are like brothers and sisters. The only difference is Vietnamese are too influence by Chinese culture for many generation. This is why your people had forgotten about there other self origin for many generation. They had completly gave up there true culture and tradition from the Chinese instead. If this shouldn't happen, then Vietnam would been called something else and the language would be similar to that of all Tai people and nation.


And I would like to remind you that, ChineseThai is in the same situation also, just like how your people begin lossing its true roots. Those from Bangkok all have idenity crises, because of what they are doing is the same way your people did in the past.

lol you didn't see the sarcasm?

I'm sure you agree with me or either that your messing around as usual self.

Well you really think they look similar?

No comment

Obviously why not? Logically just by looking at the patterns and style of where they are from of course!

Obviously your definition of similarity is different from my definition of similarity. I don't see their clothes similar. The only thing similar is the tight skirt which many every ethnics in Southeast Asia wear.

Xigon I think you forgot about your origin of the Tai people. Like I said before, Vietnamese had lost that knowledge along time ago and only accepted there Chinese influence on Vietnam for the longest time. Chinese been moving in and out of Vietnam longer then its neighboring country. Vietnam isnt all that much different to that of Thailand today, but Thailand is in an earlier stage of where its people was before the Vietnamese completly forgot its true origin. Even some of the Viet langauge are drastically similar to that of the Tai language, accept its accent is too Sino-Khmerish mix with the early Tai in Vietnam that made its langauge viet today.

Oh please Bingbing.

Lao lost its origin as well.

Dude you don't know what you're talking about. The situation of Thailand is different. They're living in the modern world where moving around isn't a big of a problem so Chinese come in and out of Thailand all the time, but back then moving from China to Northern Vietnam was a heck of a long distance. When the Han exiled their prisoners, they stopped at Hepu (in Guangxi) and didn't go further to Jiaozhi (North Vietnam). One reason could be because they couldn't cross the thick mountain ranges that separate China and Vietnam. They could go by boat of course but that took more works, building a boat wasn't a joke, so that limited the amount of Han citizens migrated into Vietnam. I remember reading about the Han census of populations in North Vietnam, Guangxi, and Guangdong and saw that the initial population of Jiaozhi was very high while the initial populations of places in Guangdong and Guangxi were much lower, then sometimes later populations of Guangdong provinces tripled while population of Jiaozhi (North Vietnam) didn't increase much. This tells you there were lots more Han citizens migrated into Guangdong than into Jiaozhi (which explains why people in Guangdong now are Han while people in North Vietnam now are still Viet). I'm not saying there was no Han citizen migrated into Jiaozhi, I'm saying the number wasn't that big like people often think, especially when compared to the initial population of Jiaozhi. Viets were sinicized because Han mandarin officers forced the Han culture on them, not because there were too many Han living in North Vietnam.

But whatever happened in the past, Viets are still who they are today. They are formed from blending and mixing of different ethnic groups. They are not Muong, not Han, not Tai, not Khmer, not Cham. They are Viet. You can't tell them to reject their culture and who they are today in acceptance of what they were in the past.

Lao culture and Khmer culture was pretty Indianized

Viet culture was sinicized.

I don't see how Bingbing can talk about Viet losing their roots when his Lao culture has been Indianized too.

And guess what? We're living in a globalizing world. I don't see cultural influences as a bad thing.

phu em chui thang nihilus day ha? Avec plaisur,
Nihilus , you fu-king little nguy learn to speak some vietnamese before you go around barking at other people like a little dog.
sitting there with your location as bien hoa, viet nam when you can't even speak vietnamese.
People dont have to have met a certain group of people to have an interest in them.
Also when people come trolling here you dont say $hit. But you decide to act tough by starting $hit with some girl who didnt do $hit to you in the first place.

Xigon why do you think Vietnam adopted the Chinese JUNKship all over the southeast coast of Asia??? It isn't just by land travel for the Chinese, but also by sea port and trade such etc.. from Vietnam.

Hình như nó không phải ở Biên Hòa đâu anh ơi. Aristotle post truyện Thạch Sanh Lý Thông lên để mọi người học hỏi văn hóa Việt Nam mà nó bảo nó chưa bao giờ nghe truyện đó. Anh có tưởng tượng được một người Việt nào được sinh ra và trưởng thành tại Việt Nam mà chưa hề nghe đến truyện Thạch Sanh Lý Thông không?

This is pointless. I didn't say there was no Han citizen migrated into North Vietnam or Viets have no Han blood. We do have some. But what I'm saying is the mixing wasn't as extensive as you all are trying to portray here. Even the Cantonese, who are very proud Han people, are 60% Zhuang according to the book I named in one previous post. So if the study was right, then even Cantonese have only 40% Han blood. Southern Chinese are pretty mixed, believe it or not. Anyway my points is Viets must have less Han blood than Cantonese so I don't think we were as extensively mixed with Han as people often think.

of course. XD

I do not understand why Bingbing would talk about Vietnamese culture like that when Lao culture itself was Khmerized.

It is possible? Anyways I'm still new to this Chinese or Han movement into SEA. Since now, China and Laos is working on a mutual and future benefical common ground for both country relationship. So it is our time to learn about Chinese influencing its southern neighbors. Laos is the last country in SEA for the Chinese migrate afterall.

That explains why Lao numerical order is almost the same as Cantonese.

The non-sinicized Zhuang were highly influenced by the Miao-Yao.

The Zhuang are natives to Guangxi. They called the Yao "barbarians," while the Cantonese called the Zhuang "barbarians."
The old script for Zhuang was a dog character.

The Zhuang called themselves by many names --
black Zhuang called themselves - Min
Weshan, Yunnan Zhuang people called themselves - Ma
Some Zhuang called themselves Tho, Bou, Rao....

Zhuang and Bouyei are basically the same people. Just different names under the CCP.

The Zhuang in Guangxi are highly influenced by the Yao people, while the Bouyei are highly influenced by the Miao people.

Many Hmong are half Bouyei. This is why the Hmong show a moderate 02, while still typical O3.
Even today, the Nung in Vietnam are known as "Bouyei" to the Hmong.

The Hmong ball tossing game came from the Bouyei, because a large Bouyei assimilated themselves into the Hmong culture.

LIAO LI LIAO - ZHUANG FOLK SONG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bddk3CYMv_U

The entire Tai numeral system was borrowed from Chinese during the Middle Chinese period. We know this because they're only similar to Middle Chinese and not Old Chinese while Tibetan numbers are similar to Old Chinese.
Yea I can see the Hmong influence on some Tai tribes, especially the elaborative cloth patterns and the shiny silver head-dress

Hmong are the latest group to arrive to southeast Asia; however, Hmong were one of the older tribe that influenced the native Tai speaking people along with the Lolo speaking people.

Ethnic Dong


Ethnic Bouyei


Ethnic Zhuang

Xigon we are no Mountian people. OMG! This is so insulting!!

Your culture basically came from the Khmer.
Your Lao king adores Khmer dances, clothes and royalties.

That's where your Lao culture came from.

Mountain people are hard working people. You wouldn't survive in the mountain.
Mountains serve as defense barriers and mountains provide games and fresh foods.

Last but not least, your KHENE came from us.

Bingbing, you came in here thinking you know Vietnamese culture and history. Well, you don't.

You don't even know your own culture, origin and history.

1. Khene is Lao instrument
2. Nanzhao is Lao's Kingdom.
3. Lao means Old, meaning Lao are the oldest group in China.
4. Lao spread rice to the world.

XD

Why do these Chinese trolls feel the need for a connection with us?

Right when Xigon says we may have about 10% Chinese blood they go into Yippie Yahoo land like they hit the jackpot or something.
Now a Lao member wants connection too.

Cmon lets get back on topic.

Kinh and Mường

There is nothing wrong with having a conversation about our similarity of our people. It can well be that, we came from the same place of origin earlier in our both history of moving southward to SEA. Why denied such logical when it is all there? There is no need to fight over rubbish arguement over and over again for some of you Lost Viet with identity ethnic crises.

"Think about the Logic, not a turds"

Which dress do you think is prettier?

The Muong dress, ao tu than, or ao dai?

i think early origin of Vietnamese were mon-khmers and Tai mixture, then later on Chinese and other ethnics from what is now known as China.

We're all brothers and sisters. let us not fight anymore.


as a black man, seeing you guys fighting all the time is so silly.

The Muong seem closer to the Tai style. So I choose the Muong since they have the beauty look and height.

I think ao dai is the prettiest dress out of those three.

Well that can be true too. But my view is on the earlier stages of the Vietnamese from the northern part of Vietnam near Hanoi, or Southeastern China. But those from Saigon or southern most point of Vietnam is much different then the one in Central and Northern Vietnam, well the people and accent that is.

all i see is division and discrimination going on.

ah fu-k it. I said we're brothers and sisters. lets find common grounds rather than differences that will separate us.

nvm

What is Tai style?

This?



or this?




Neither looks similar to Muong dress to me.

Ao Dai dress seem kind of over due it tho. I mean sometime it remind me of my graduation gowns. I guess it can be hot too??

Nah aodai is the most simple and is the coolest to wear.

And what are you talking about? It looks nothing like graduation gown

I like the Ao tu than but with the simpler outer jacket and not the 4 flaps one. That one looks so que mua. But they also have to wear the
hair cloth with it. Ao Dai is too modern with the pants.
It'd be Ao Than (without the tu ) then Muong, then Ao dai.

Muong Dress


Reconstructed late Ly- Early Tran dynasty peasant clothing.

girl on left. Besides the color it's extremely similar no?


If ao tu than still looked this way (one on right) it'd beat them all

Modern



What is this dress called?
It looks like Ao Dai but with a skirt instead of pants. Looks better imo. If only Nguyen lords didn't ban usage of skirts.

xixon, why can't you have a milky skin like her/them.

what fighting? I ignored everyone. and what does Xigon has to do with that post I made? and what are you implying?

just forget it, I don't want to go off topic.

The Tai style comes in many form like the Mouang,Zhuang,Lao,Thai,Mien,TaiDam,TaiDang,Dai,Dong, etc....... These style of the Tai have similarity, but is of Tai origin and some of the Chinese traditonal style clothing like the Hans, and those from Taiwan also.

I think áo dài looks better in pictures where movements can be behold




In still pictures where there is no movement then Muong dress looks better

It's also called áo tứ thân. There are many styles of ao tu than just like there are many styles of Hanfu. That version is the closest to aodai.

But nah, ao dai looks better with pants to me because you can see the movements of the legs.