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Indonesia mulls new capital

JAKARTA - IT HAS been the economic heartbeat of the world's fourth most populous country for almost 500 years, but Jakarta's days as Indonesia's capital could be numbered.

Choked with traffic and garbage, the city on the northwest Java coast has been pushed to breaking point as its population surges above 12 million and its foundations sink under the weight of rampant development. Floods displace thousands of people and cause millions of dollars of damage every year, and are predicted to get worse with rising sea levels, unchecked logging in catchment areas and the blocking of canals with rubbish.

A World Bank study has found that by 2025 the sea could be lapping at the gates of the presidential palace in the centre of the the former spice capital, known until 1942 as Batavia. This could explain why President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono recently revived a radical plan to shift the capital to a new location.

'Going forward, the idea of moving the centre of the administration must again be considered and developed, considering Jakarta has become exceedingly crowded,' Mr Yudhoyono told reporters in December.

Similar proposals go back to previous presidents Sukarno and Suharto, who decades ago foresaw the eventual breakdown of Jakarta. 'It can be done - what you need is strong political commitment. Malaysia moved to Putrajaya because of the strength of Mahathir Mohamad,' urban studies expert Deden Rukmana said, referring to Malaysia's ex-prime minister. 'If we have a good plan ... we can build a city from scratch, like Brasilia in Brazil.'

Urban planners said the price tag on a new capital would be huge for Indonesia, but the cost of doing nothing would be higher. 'Jakarta's problems can't be solved without expensive solutions,' Mr Rukmana said. 'When the 2007 floods hit, you could see how much of an impact the city had on Indonesia. For days, Jakarta was dead and Indonesia's economy was crippled.' -- AFP


Okay guys, where would you like the new capital of Indonesia will be?
Sumpit
Voted for Semarang, it's central in Java, Java is the most populated island and the people who has a business in Jakarta won't have to move that far if they want to start something in Semarang.
I don't want the capital city to be in Kalimantan, it will hurt the beautiful nature, we need to protect that!
A city close to Jakarta is just stupid, eventually the city will conjoint with Jakarta and make Jakarta bigger and it will be harder to handle.
Yogya should stay as a cultural city nothing more.
Makassar would've been my second choice.
Lampung will be far for the eastern islands
jrockerz
anywhere but java
Ralf
I voted Yogyakarta because it's the groovy hub of intellectual beatniks.
Bandung would be cool too.
But as a commercial capital city it would be ideal to have major road, rail, air and sea access...... so maybe it has to be Jakarta.....
Majapahitans
QUOTE (Ralf @ Aug 7 2010, 02:33 PM) *
I voted Yogyakarta because it's the groovy hub of intellectual beatniks.
Bandung would be cool too.
But as a commercial capital city it would be ideal to have major road, rail, air and sea access...... so maybe it has to be Jakarta.....


Jakarta still served as bussiness and commercial capital city, just like New York City, Shanghai, Sydney, while the political capital city could be moved elsewhere.
Actually building a new (political) capital for Indonesia is the old idea inspired by Brasilia, New Delhi, Canberra, and Washington DC. Separation of commercial, industrial, and bussiness capital city with political capital city is the goal here.

The reasons I didn't include Bandung because the city already congested and crowded and too near to Jakarta.

Jonggol in West Java and Tangerang in Banten was included in list because in mid 90's there was a plan to move the capital somewhere less crowded but still located near Jakarta. (Similar concept with Putrajaya for Kuala Lumpur). And Jonggol has been nominated, yet this plan is unrealized because Asian Financial Crisis in 1997. Yet today city planner discourage the idea to make Jonggol as Indonesian capital because its too near and only make a Jabodetabek region more large and congested.

Yogyakarta: Personally I love Yogyakarta, it is the cradle of Indonesian ancient civilization. Near Borobudur and Prambanan and so on. And the nature is beautiful and fertile, yet its is prone to volcano eruption and earthquake.

Recently BMG Indonesia has released a new map of Indonesian Earthquake Hazard Zone.


Kalimantan is the safest place in Indonesia to avoid major earthquake.
Sukarno in 1960's already foresaw the need no move Indonesian capital to larger center area, Palangkaraya in Central Kalimantan was his idea.
Building new capital from scratches just like Brasilia in Brazil, probably located somewhere near Palangkaraya. Yet the move to Kalimantan could led to deforestation and depletion of natural condition in the island.

QUOTE (jrockerz @ Aug 7 2010, 09:39 AM) *
anywhere but java


Java with its rich volcanic soil is the most fertile and agriculturally most productive island in Indonesia. Followed by mountainous Sumatra, Bali, and some parts of Flores and Sulawesi. I would like to keep Java as rice producing island and keep less urban development here.
DEL
Why is Cirebon not in the list?

O, i see, it doesn't yet have an airfield.

I thought i read something here in AF that there were plans to make an airfield in Cirebon and move the government of business center to Cirebon, including a superduperfast train from jakarta, going to bandung and finally Cirebon. Its because Cirebon is located very well.

But yeah, those were just ''plans.'' I know how they go.

Palangkaraya (Central Kalimantan) - No - to far from sea and too much relief
Banjarmasin (South Kalimantan) - No -
Samarinda (East Kalimantan) - No -
Semarang (Central Java) - No - Semarang is already crowded and redesigning is near from impossible
Yogyakarta (Yogyakarta special region) - No - Leave my favourite town alone please.
Makassar (South Sulawesi) - Maybe - Sounds like a good idea. The town is already attracting
Palembang (South Sumatra) - No-
Jonggol (West Java) - uhh - $hit, dont know where this is. Not close to sea either, isnt it?
Tangerang (Banten) - No - To close to Jakarta. I hate it, too boring....
Bandar Lampung (Lampung) - No -

I dont see it happening outside of Java, except in Makassar
qundis
Hi,

That is true that Java is the most populated island basically the people interested in business in don't have any requirement to go to some other place when they are getting what they want in jakarta in they want to do business there are very rare of them who want to go semarang.

Aaguantenk
South Kalimantan it is, for my opinion it's more likely in the central of Indonesia. from Papua or Aceh it look like a same distance. And it is not in earthquake zones. Nice Graphic info Majapahitans ..... cheers.
furansizuka
What about Balikpapan (is it in south or east?) Kalimantan? It's already got quite good infrastructure.
Kresna
Indonesia should buy an aircraft carrier and locate its government entities on it. Indonesia would have the first floating capital in the world, and corrupt politicians could be drowned immediately if necessary.
shad0w
for new capital it has to be :'

- have low risk of quake : therefore, Yogya, entire southern Java coast city and entire western coast Sumatra, most of Maluku are out
- outside of Java island, our island is to crowded : Semarang and Surabaya are out too
- population in new location must accept the new capital with both its benefit and disadvantage , therefor Papua seems like off
- new capital location must not endanger its environment : i dont know how ecology in Palangkaraya or Banjarmasin is, but if it is fragile
- must located in coast , it will help transportation with harbor etc


i prefer offshore island near Kalimantan, and not Kalimantan itself like : Tarakan or Nunukan

these two island has additional advantage too: close to border with Malaysia so it will enable government take care of border area
Majapahitans
^^^
I think everybody knows.., capital city should not located too near to the border... prone to invasion and attack...

QUOTE (furansizuka @ Aug 11 2010, 10:08 AM) *
What about Balikpapan (is it in south or east?) Kalimantan? It's already got quite good infrastructure.


Imo Palangkaraya, Banjarmasin, and Balikpapan is a good candidate...
Majapahitans
QUOTE (Kresna @ Aug 11 2010, 11:52 AM) *
Indonesia should buy an aircraft carrier and locate its government entities on it. Indonesia would have the first floating capital in the world, and corrupt politicians could be drowned immediately if necessary.


Howabout floating city on Java sea....? so corrupt politicians can be pushed to sea and fed to shark right away.... icon_twisted.gif
shad0w
QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Sep 22 2010, 12:10 AM) *
^^^
I think everybody knows.., capital city should not located too near to the border... prone to invasion and attack...



Imo Palangkaraya, Banjarmasin, and Balikpapan is a good candidate...



if neighboring country is hostile one then your logic works,, but Malaysia are most defintely not

plus look at this city, all capital and near border : Ottawa , Bratislava, Vilnius, Buenos Aires + Montevidio, and ,, Vientiane


plus if we mass entire armada (like ARMATIM in Surabaya) invasion should not be a problem ... on that topic lets create a new armada for our Navy, and call it Armada Utara aka ARMAUT ,,, now that well be cool biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Sep 22 2010, 12:17 AM) *
Howabout floating city on Java sea....? so corrupt politicians can be pushed to sea and fed to shark right away.... icon_twisted.gif


agreed..

with capital in Borneo region,, we can quickly send corrupt politician to headhunters to be .. uh... "treated well"
Majapahitans
^^^ well Papua is Earthquake prone zone to begin with....
Still thinking Palangkaraya, Banjarmasin, or Balikpapan as a perfect seat for Indonesian new capital...
Sumpit
QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Oct 6 2010, 05:08 PM) *
^^^ well Papua is Earthquake prone zone to begin with....
Still thinking Palangkaraya, Banjarmasin, or Balikpapan as a perfect seat for Indonesian new capital...

puhlease
NOT IN KALIMANTAN!!

serious issue that Indo has to work on
stop the deforest!
Majapahitans
QUOTE (Sumpit @ Oct 7 2010, 04:02 AM) *
puhlease
NOT IN KALIMANTAN!!

serious issue that Indo has to work on
stop the deforest!


Hmmm..., deforestation in Kalimantan is indeed alarming... yet again I think the island is the future of Indonesia...
A capital in central Kalimantan is quite free of earthquake, and it is easy to connect the whole archipelago.
In the other hand do not want Java to be a city-island
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