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A Siberian Nenets boy:
They look like typical Asians, albeit with lighter hair.
They look like typical Asians, albeit with lighter hair.
Nenet is related with the Manchu right? I guess they are a few of the last remnants of Tungusic tribes remained. Their southern brethren had already sinocized, and they are now on the verge of being russified. Sad.
You guys know that Brock Lesnar is part Native American from his mom's side? The sword tattoo on his chest was drawn there by an Indian Chief named "Purple Kush."
QUOTE (kenmirzz @ Aug 14 2010, 08:34 PM) 
Nenet is related with the Manchu right? I guess they are a few of the last remnants of Tungusic tribes remained. Their southern brethren had already sinocized, and they are now on the verge of being russified. Sad.
You're wrong. They speak a Uralic language.
Many Nenet children, and other native Siberian children have been taken out of their parents homes by the Russian government and put in boarding school for education, which is a good thing in my opinion. Its the 21st century, and if you wnt your people to survive they need to be educated.
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Many Nenet children, and other native Siberian children have been taken out of their parents homes by the Russian government and put in boarding school for education, which is a good thing in my opinion. Its the 21st century, and if you wnt your people to survive they need to be educated.
No that's just fu-ked. They did the same $hit to Native Americans and Aborigines. It breaks down traditional culture and leaves people in a cultural conundrum.
There are both Asian looking and European looking peoples living in Siberia, especially if we consider all Russia east of the Urals as Siberia.
Technically, only a specific area of east Russia is Siberia, not the entire area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia
The majority of the people who lived there originally were of course Asian. The population was very small, though, despite the enormous area. Only in some areas, like Sakha and others were the population a bit larger (but still only around 100,000!). Some of the Native peoples were decimated by the Russians, either through war or disease, so they would have been much more numerous if not for the Russians - not to mention many people have assimilated into the general Russian population through the years.
A bit of a sad story in general. I wonder if they're going to be completely assimilated, or if the recent ethnic awareness movements have had any positive effect for their self identification? The problem is that many Siberians don't speak their original language any more, and when that happens, then it's only a matter of time before the culture disappears, as has already happened to many peoples of Russia (not just Siberians, but many other minorities, like Finnic minorities in mainland Russia and others).
Anyway, the peoples of Siberia are many different ethnicities, there's not such thing as a generic "Siberian". Not to mention that some presumed "Siberians" live outside of Siberia, in European Russia like for example the Nenets who live in the Nenets Autonomous Okrug.
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There's a movie about this process, and the problems associated - it's about the eighties!
http://www.lastoftheline.fi/
Technically, only a specific area of east Russia is Siberia, not the entire area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia
The majority of the people who lived there originally were of course Asian. The population was very small, though, despite the enormous area. Only in some areas, like Sakha and others were the population a bit larger (but still only around 100,000!). Some of the Native peoples were decimated by the Russians, either through war or disease, so they would have been much more numerous if not for the Russians - not to mention many people have assimilated into the general Russian population through the years.
A bit of a sad story in general. I wonder if they're going to be completely assimilated, or if the recent ethnic awareness movements have had any positive effect for their self identification? The problem is that many Siberians don't speak their original language any more, and when that happens, then it's only a matter of time before the culture disappears, as has already happened to many peoples of Russia (not just Siberians, but many other minorities, like Finnic minorities in mainland Russia and others).
Anyway, the peoples of Siberia are many different ethnicities, there's not such thing as a generic "Siberian". Not to mention that some presumed "Siberians" live outside of Siberia, in European Russia like for example the Nenets who live in the Nenets Autonomous Okrug.
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QUOTE (dadanorchee @ Aug 21 2010, 09:43 AM)
No that's just fu-ked. They did the same $hit to Native Americans and Aborigines. It breaks down traditional culture and leaves people in a cultural conundrum.
There's a movie about this process, and the problems associated - it's about the eighties!
http://www.lastoftheline.fi/
Lets see what is happening in Kamchatka.
Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKmPUvtC1Ms...feature=related
Map of Kamchatka Peninsula
Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKmPUvtC1Ms...feature=related
Map of Kamchatka Peninsula
Siberia was originally Asiatic territory before the white Russian invasion. In fact, I heard Siberia is the birthplace of Asiatic looking people.
Asiatics not controlling Siberia would be like if black people lost control of Africa.
Asiatics not controlling Siberia would be like if black people lost control of Africa.
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Feb 8 2011, 08:01 PM)
Siberia was originally Asiatic territory before the white Russian invasion. In fact, I heard Siberia is the birthplace of Asiatic looking people.
Asiatics not controlling Siberia would be like if black people lost control of Africa.
Asiatics not controlling Siberia would be like if black people lost control of Africa.
China and Japan should help each other get Siberia back.
Japan can keep her Kuril Islands, while China can keep Siberia and deport all the Russians back to Europe.
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 9 2011, 08:39 AM)
China and Japan should help each other get Siberia back.
Japan can keep her Kuril Islands, while China can keep Siberia and deport all the Russians back to Europe.
Japan can keep her Kuril Islands, while China can keep Siberia and deport all the Russians back to Europe.
ROTFL
What a brave fairy tale from monkey woods 
Try to fight Russians anywhere on Siberia or Far East and you'll crap your pants in a few hours.
QUOTE (termogard @ Feb 11 2011, 08:40 AM)
ROTFL What a brave fairy tale from monkey woods
Try to fight Russians anywhere on Siberia or Far East and you'll crap your pants in a few hours.
What a brave fairy tale from monkey woods Try to fight Russians anywhere on Siberia or Far East and you'll crap your pants in a few hours.
The time to reclaim what is ours has come.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 10 2011, 11:37 PM)
The time to reclaim what is ours has come.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
If anything they look more Korean to me and probably most people.
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 10 2011, 11:37 PM)
The time to reclaim what is ours has come.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
Oh, really?
sucking siberian d*ck that is chinese;)
Do not forget where your proper place in Asia, "proud" chinese
Chinese claims concerning to Siberia remind me similar chinese claims concerning to Korea.
quote :
The PRC's revision of Goguryeo history, in an attempt to recharacterize it as a Chinese provincial state rather than an independent Korean kingdom, has received international criticism for making a flawed and politically motivated rewriting of history. Such criticisms came from numerous scholars from other countries such as the United States, Russia, Mongolia, and Australia,[10] [11] including prominent Goguryeo experts such as Mark Byington, a postdoctorate at the Korea Institute, an independent Korean studies research institute at Harvard University,[12] and R. Sh. Djarylgashinova of Russian Academy of Science Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography.[13]
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QUOTE (termogard @ Feb 11 2011, 05:45 AM)
Oh, really?
sucking siberian d*ck that is chinese;)
Do not forget where your proper place in Asia, "proud" chinese
Chinese claims concerning to Siberia remind me similar chinese claims concerning to Korea.
quote :
The PRC's revision of Goguryeo history, in an attempt to recharacterize it as a Chinese provincial state rather than an independent Korean kingdom, has received international criticism for making a flawed and politically motivated rewriting of history. Such criticisms came from numerous scholars from other countries such as the United States, Russia, Mongolia, and Australia,[10] [11] including prominent Goguryeo experts such as Mark Byington, a postdoctorate at the Korea Institute, an independent Korean studies research institute at Harvard University,[12] and R. Sh. Djarylgashinova of Russian Academy of Science Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography.[13]
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sucking siberian d*ck that is chinese;)
Do not forget where your proper place in Asia, "proud" chinese
Chinese claims concerning to Siberia remind me similar chinese claims concerning to Korea.
quote :
The PRC's revision of Goguryeo history, in an attempt to recharacterize it as a Chinese provincial state rather than an independent Korean kingdom, has received international criticism for making a flawed and politically motivated rewriting of history. Such criticisms came from numerous scholars from other countries such as the United States, Russia, Mongolia, and Australia,[10] [11] including prominent Goguryeo experts such as Mark Byington, a postdoctorate at the Korea Institute, an independent Korean studies research institute at Harvard University,[12] and R. Sh. Djarylgashinova of Russian Academy of Science Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography.[13]
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some ppl are so proud about korean they bring everything korean to pit against china/chinese.... theres captain corea in korean chat hes white guy that will combat any chinese in in kchat to defend korean LOL....wht? white ppl don't like japanese nomore? lol wht baffle me is that they never proudly defend their eurasian brother like the filipinos cuz most filipinos have european lineage
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 10 2011, 10:37 PM)
The time to reclaim what is ours has come.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
Actually, Siberia belongs to its native populations like the Yakut, Buryat, Tuva, Nenet, Evenk, Dolgan, etc. To bring together our race, we must understand the ethnic differences that exists. Unfortunately, most Asiatics only care about dominating and destroying each other.
China, Japan, and South Korea like to argue over tiny rocks that can barely sustain a 1000 people. All the while, they do not care about the separatists in Northeast India or other Asiatics that are being dominated by foreign races.
But I think everyone can agree that Siberia does not belong to the white Russian at all. Russians belong in Europe.
QUOTE (termogard @ Feb 11 2011, 06:45 PM)
Oh, really?
sucking siberian d*ck that is chinese;)
Do not forget where your proper place in Asia, "proud" chinese
Chinese claims concerning to Siberia remind me similar chinese claims concerning to Korea.
quote :
The PRC's revision of Goguryeo history, in an attempt to recharacterize it as a Chinese provincial state rather than an independent Korean kingdom, has received international criticism for making a flawed and politically motivated rewriting of history. Such criticisms came from numerous scholars from other countries such as the United States, Russia, Mongolia, and Australia,[10] [11] including prominent Goguryeo experts such as Mark Byington, a postdoctorate at the Korea Institute, an independent Korean studies research institute at Harvard University,[12] and R. Sh. Djarylgashinova of Russian Academy of Science Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography.[13]
Wiki
sucking siberian d*ck that is chinese;)
Do not forget where your proper place in Asia, "proud" chinese
Chinese claims concerning to Siberia remind me similar chinese claims concerning to Korea.
quote :
The PRC's revision of Goguryeo history, in an attempt to recharacterize it as a Chinese provincial state rather than an independent Korean kingdom, has received international criticism for making a flawed and politically motivated rewriting of history. Such criticisms came from numerous scholars from other countries such as the United States, Russia, Mongolia, and Australia,[10] [11] including prominent Goguryeo experts such as Mark Byington, a postdoctorate at the Korea Institute, an independent Korean studies research institute at Harvard University,[12] and R. Sh. Djarylgashinova of Russian Academy of Science Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography.[13]
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QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Feb 12 2011, 04:08 AM)
Actually, Siberia belongs to its native populations like the Yakut, Buryat, Tuva, Nenet, Evenk, Dolgan, etc. To bring together our race, we must understand the ethnic differences that exists. Unfortunately, most Asiatics only care about dominating and destroying each other.
China, Japan, and South Korea like to argue over tiny rocks that can barely sustain a 1000 people. All the while, they do not care about the separatists in Northeast India or other Asiatics that are being dominated by foreign races.
But I think everyone can agree that Siberia does not belong to the white Russian at all. Russians belong in Europe.
China, Japan, and South Korea like to argue over tiny rocks that can barely sustain a 1000 people. All the while, they do not care about the separatists in Northeast India or other Asiatics that are being dominated by foreign races.
But I think everyone can agree that Siberia does not belong to the white Russian at all. Russians belong in Europe.
Well, you see, Siberia east of Stanovoy Mountains belongs to the Manchu - and the Manchu have been completely assimilated into the Han. So logically, the Han would have legitimate claims over that part of Siberia. Khabarovsk Krai and Primorsky Krai are CHINESE.
For the rest of Siberia then, the Chinese (being the most powerful army in Asia now) must first occupy it - and then subsequently give it to the native races for them to have their own homelands. The Koryak and Chukchi are the subject of countless jokes made by Russians.
They will NEVER BE GIVEN INDEPENDENCE by the Russians. The initiative must start from the Chinese.
But whether Siberia goes to China, Korea, or Japan, the most important thing is that it will return to AN ASIAN NATION. Russians are from Europe.
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 11 2011, 09:05 PM)
Well, you see, Siberia east of Stanovoy Mountains belongs to the Manchu - and the Manchu have been completely assimilated into the Han. So logically, the Han would have legitimate claims over that part of Siberia. Khabarovsk Krai and Primorsky Krai are CHINESE.
For the rest of Siberia then, the Chinese (being the most powerful army in Asia now) must first occupy it - and then subsequently give it to the native races for them to have their own homelands. The Koryak and Chukchi are the subject of countless jokes made by Russians.
They will NEVER BE GIVEN INDEPENDENCE by the Russians. The initiative must start from the Chinese.
But whether Siberia goes to China, Korea, or Japan, the most important thing is that it will return to AN ASIAN NATION. Russians are from Europe.
For the rest of Siberia then, the Chinese (being the most powerful army in Asia now) must first occupy it - and then subsequently give it to the native races for them to have their own homelands. The Koryak and Chukchi are the subject of countless jokes made by Russians.
They will NEVER BE GIVEN INDEPENDENCE by the Russians. The initiative must start from the Chinese.
But whether Siberia goes to China, Korea, or Japan, the most important thing is that it will return to AN ASIAN NATION. Russians are from Europe.
The Manchu along with the Evenk, Even, etc. are of Tungusic decent. Although a lot of northern Chinese are mixed with Altaic ethnic groups such as the Xiongnu, Xianbei, Mongol, Jurchen, Manchu, etc.
You are right that Russians will never give them independence. The fact Chechnya is not independent despite all the chaos caused by separatists is proof of this fact. But the unfortunate truth is that most Asiatic countries don't care about anything other than their own country. Most Asiatics from Asia are nationalists who only care about nationhood and not race. In fact, a lot of them are still naive on the subject of race and would make ignorant statements like "race is about skin color."
One thing that can be done is for the Siberian natives to reproduce a lot and that overseas Asiatics should create a charity organization that helps Siberian natives raise their children. I would rather use my money to raise Asiatic children instead of African children. People donate billions (maybe trillions) of aid money to Africa but they still are not able to improve their countries.
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Feb 12 2011, 12:34 PM)
The Manchu along with the Evenk, Even, etc. are of Tungusic decent. Although a lot of northern Chinese are mixed with Altaic ethnic groups such as the Xiongnu, Xianbei, Mongol, Jurchen, Manchu, etc.
You are right that Russians will never give them independence. The fact Chechnya is not independent despite all the chaos caused by separatists is proof of this fact. But the unfortunate truth is that most Asiatic countries don't care about other than their own country. Most Asiatics from Asia are nationalists who only care about nationhood and not race. In fact, a lot of them are still naive on the subject of race and would make ignorant statements like "race is about skin color."
One thing that can be done is for the Siberian natives to reproduce a lot and that overseas Asiatics should create a charity organization that helps Siberian natives raise their children. I would rather use my money to raise Asiatic children instead of African children. People donate billions (maybe trillions) of aid money to Africa but they still are not able to improve their countries.
You are right that Russians will never give them independence. The fact Chechnya is not independent despite all the chaos caused by separatists is proof of this fact. But the unfortunate truth is that most Asiatic countries don't care about other than their own country. Most Asiatics from Asia are nationalists who only care about nationhood and not race. In fact, a lot of them are still naive on the subject of race and would make ignorant statements like "race is about skin color."
One thing that can be done is for the Siberian natives to reproduce a lot and that overseas Asiatics should create a charity organization that helps Siberian natives raise their children. I would rather use my money to raise Asiatic children instead of African children. People donate billions (maybe trillions) of aid money to Africa but they still are not able to improve their countries.
in term of genetic there's no such thing as altaic ethnic. Never been proved scientifically, even tungusic as a language group still controversial, there is no DNA connection between them
siberians got it goin' on!!!!
Racial irrendentism - one of the most absurd forms of territorial claims there is. The irony in all this is that even if "East Asians" were of "Siberian origin" (and this is doubtful), your ancestors spent most of history trying to flee that cold and unforgiving land for the warmer climates to the south. Those are not exactly good foundations from which to build a "homeland claim."
You're... trying to reason... with "them".
QUOTE (BurdenOfAges @ Feb 13 2011, 12:10 AM)
Racial irrendentism - one of the most absurd forms of territorial claims there is. The irony in all this is that even if "East Asians" were of "Siberian origin" (and this is doubtful), your ancestors spent most of history trying to flee that cold and unforgiving land for the warmer climates to the south. Those are not exactly good foundations from which to build a "homeland claim."
Not all Asiatics left Siberia. If Siberia does not belong to Asiatics, then who does it belong to? Russians? LOL
http://www.npolar.no/ansipra/english/Index.../Map_index.html
BTW, where did you think "chinesey eyes" and light skin among Asiatics came from? Those types of traits don't exist among those who live in warmer climates. I think it has already been mentioned countless times that Southeast Asia used to be populated by Negritos which is an ethnic group that looked African. I seriously doubt modern day East Asians are of Negrito descent.
Regardless of the hypocrisy that may exist, I simply want Asiatics to get more land. All Asiatic countries except Mongolia and Kazakhstan are overcrowded. The best solution for a country like China is to send half of its population elsewhere. If white people are allowed to have countries on almost every continent, then Asiatics should have the same right. If not, all white people in the planet must move back to Europe.
Siberians are not related to Chinese. lol
The only ethnic groups in China that are possibly related to the Siberians are the Xibo and Oroqen.
The only ethnic groups in China that are possibly related to the Siberians are the Xibo and Oroqen.
QUOTE (qaib @ Feb 13 2011, 11:47 AM)
Siberians are not related to Chinese. lol
The only ethnic groups in China that are possibly related to the Siberians are the Xibo and Oroqen.
The only ethnic groups in China that are possibly related to the Siberians are the Xibo and Oroqen.
When I said about moving East Asia's population, I was mainly talking about Oceania and North America. What I want for Siberia is for it to be given back to its native peoples like the Yakut, Evenk, Dolgan, Chukchi, Even, Buryat, Tuva, etc. These Siberian natives should reproduce a lot until they can breed all the white Russians living in Siberia out of existence.
But for the record, East Asians, Southeast Asians, Central Asians, Siberian natives, Inuits/Eskimos, some Native Americans, Northeast Indians, Hazara, Bhutanese/some Nepalis are all part of the Asiatic race (aka Mongoloids/Orientals/yellows/etc.). Genetic and cultural differences do exist amongst them but the similarities are still greater than if you compare one of them to Europeans or Africans.
I know a lot of Asiatics in Asia have little exposure to Caucasians and Negros. But once you meet enough of them, you will realize that differences among Asiatics don't mean much.
Actually the conclusion is this: SIBERIA IS FOR ASIANS ONLY.
All the native Siberian tribes should be given freedom to choose for themselves whether they want independence or not, in which case, they must be under an East Asian nation, rather than under a European one.
They shouldn't just breed the White Russians out of existence but instead, they SHOULD KICK THEM OUT OF SIBERIA.
All the native Siberian tribes should be given freedom to choose for themselves whether they want independence or not, in which case, they must be under an East Asian nation, rather than under a European one.
They shouldn't just breed the White Russians out of existence but instead, they SHOULD KICK THEM OUT OF SIBERIA.
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 13 2011, 11:07 PM)
Actually the conclusion is this: SIBERIA IS FOR ASIANS ONLY.
All the native Siberian tribes should be given freedom to choose for themselves whether they want independence or not, in which case, they must be under an East Asian nation, rather than under a European one.
They shouldn't just breed the White Russians out of existence but instead, they SHOULD KICK THEM OUT OF SIBERIA.
All the native Siberian tribes should be given freedom to choose for themselves whether they want independence or not, in which case, they must be under an East Asian nation, rather than under a European one.
They shouldn't just breed the White Russians out of existence but instead, they SHOULD KICK THEM OUT OF SIBERIA.
Problem is Russian Techno music is too powerful to fight.
Russian Techno Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh4czSuQHx4
There are Russian regions which are called Republics. They get to rule themselves inside the Russian Federation. Usually, these Republics are made up of minorities. Then they have Autonomous areas called Oblast and Okrug. Okrug were set up decades ago has autonomous areas for Natives. And then there is the Krai.
Map showing the Republics, Okrug, Oblasts and Krai.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/scrnshots.com/scre...map-02png_large
Largest Republic is Yakutia which makes up 1/5 size of Russia. Several European nations can fit inside the Republic of Yakutia which is colder then Canada and Alaska. They even have three time zones. They also full of diamonds, gold and oil.
Watch this video which shows the native Yakutian people. Its really good. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vea8rebF0M
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 13 2011, 10:07 PM)
Actually the conclusion is this: SIBERIA IS FOR ASIANS ONLY.
The conclusion, huh? Yet this conversation is not finished. For you information - every Russian, who was born in asian part of Russian Federation, is considered ASIAN. No matter, what colour of skin he has.
Questions?
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 11 2011, 11:05 PM)
Well, you see, Siberia east of Stanovoy Mountains belongs to the Manchu - and the Manchu have been completely assimilated into the Han. So logically, the Han would have legitimate claims over that part of Siberia. Khabarovsk Krai and Primorsky Krai are CHINESE.
{yawn] It does not matter who and where and by whom has been assimilated. The fact that chinese Han used to assimilate some tribe does not give chinese side any right to make territorial claims to Russia. Plain and simple.
As for Khabarovsk and Primorskiy Krai. China has nothing to do with them. The ancient state Balhae used to locate in current Primorye and this state was a successor of korean state Goguryeo. Note - KOREAN, not Chinese.
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 13 2011, 10:07 PM)
For the rest of Siberia then, the Chinese (being the most powerful army in Asia now) must first occupy it - and then subsequently give it to the native races for them to have their own homelands. The Koryak and Chukchi are the subject of countless jokes made by Russians.
I am laughing out loudly
You seem to watch TOO MANY shaolin-style chinese movies, right? Yes, China has the biggest bunch of armed workers and peasants, SO WHAT? Tell me, please, how you intend to fight Russians? Do you have a rich combat experience? Russia fought Chechen rebels and Georgian troops and won. Chinese Army used to fight Soviet Union, India and Vietnam and lost. Vitnamese comrades had no nuclear weaponry, nuclear-powered submarines and strategic bombers. They stopped huge people waves of PLA by large amount ot machine-guns and artillery. So much for "the most powerful chinese army"
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 13 2011, 10:07 PM)
They will NEVER BE GIVEN INDEPENDENCE by the Russians. The initiative must start from the Chinese.
Nice fairy-tale "made in china". Every minority tribe or group of indigenous people of Russian Siberia or Russian Far East has own land and settlements. If you represent a minority tribe, you have an ultimate right to enter any Russian state university or institute WITHOUT tests or special exams. You also have exclusive right for hunting and fishing on your land and nearby terrirtories. Russian government cares about minority Siberian and Far Eastern tribes and indigenous people. What would chinese offer to minorities? Nothing, except total assimilation and extermination.
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 13 2011, 10:07 PM)
But whether Siberia goes to China, Korea, or Japan, the most important thing is that it will return to AN ASIAN NATION. Russians are from Europe.
Instead of crying nationalistic slogans, go to nearby school and bear up some geographical and historical knowledges.
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 13 2011, 10:07 PM)
All the native Siberian tribes should be given freedom to choose for themselves whether they want independence or not, in which case, they must be under an East Asian nation, rather than under a European one.
They shouldn't just breed the White Russians out of existence but instead, they SHOULD KICK THEM OUT OF SIBERIA.
They shouldn't just breed the White Russians out of existence but instead, they SHOULD KICK THEM OUT OF SIBERIA.
If you try to KICK RUSSIANS OUT OF SIBERIA, get ready for quick thermonuclear sunburn
By the way - when african-american calls anglo-saxon person as "white" it looks out normal. When a chinese calls Russian as "white" it looks out pretty stupid. Think a bit.
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Feb 13 2011, 11:15 AM)
Regardless of the hypocrisy that may exist, I simply want Asiatics to get more land. All Asiatic countries except Mongolia and Kazakhstan are overcrowded. The best solution for a country like China is to send half of its population elsewhere. If white people are allowed to have countries on almost every continent, then Asiatics should have the same right. If not, all white people in the planet must move back to Europe.
I do not care what kind of colour your skin is. Frankly. You may be white, yellow or even dark-green. No matter.
Regardless of the hypocrisy that may exist, there are Moon, Venus and Mars. No population at all
Special for chinese nationalists : Yakutsk, a center of Eastern Russian Siberia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JRbEJD72KI...feature=related
Local siberians live and work in an extremely hard climate conditions, without "care" of good chinese government
Enjoy !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JRbEJD72KI...feature=related
Local siberians live and work in an extremely hard climate conditions, without "care" of good chinese government
Enjoy !
I think I already made it clear that I am not a Chinese nationalist but an Asiatic racialist. Siberia belongs to its native populations only. I also believe Inner Mongolia should be given back to Mongolia.
BTW, race has little to do with skin color.
Those light-skinned Africans don't look very European, do they?
Obviously, a direct invasion against Russia is suicidal. The best form of conquest in the modern world is a demographic takeover. Siberian natives need to out-breed the Russians.
BTW, race has little to do with skin color.
Those light-skinned Africans don't look very European, do they?
Obviously, a direct invasion against Russia is suicidal. The best form of conquest in the modern world is a demographic takeover. Siberian natives need to out-breed the Russians.
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Mar 5 2011, 01:57 PM)
I think I already made it clear that I am not a Chinese nationalist but an Asiatic racialist. Siberia belongs to its native populations only. I also believe Inner Mongolia should be given back to Mongolia.
BTW, race has little to do with skin color.
Those light-skinned Africans don't look very European, do they?
Obviously, a direct invasion against Russia is suicidal. The best form of conquest in the modern world is a demographic takeover. Siberian natives need to out-breed the Russians.
BTW, race has little to do with skin color.
Those light-skinned Africans don't look very European, do they?
Obviously, a direct invasion against Russia is suicidal. The best form of conquest in the modern world is a demographic takeover. Siberian natives need to out-breed the Russians.
Why not? They can out-breed the Russians, but, technically speaking, they will live still inside the Russian Federation. Thus, their future generations will consider themselves Russians.
Mammoth steaks from Siberia are edible and indistinguishable from beef. Archaeologists used to dine on them at dinner banquets in the past.
I think this is a stupid question, but Russia is situated in the Asia continent right? so that makes them Asian??
QUOTE (termogard @ Mar 5 2011, 05:41 PM)
The conclusion, huh? Yet this conversation is not finished. For you information - every Russian, who was born in asian part of Russian Federation, is considered ASIAN. No matter, what colour of skin he has.
Questions?
Questions?
LOL. I'm talking about being a part of the East Asian race. Of course, a lot of Russians have Asian haplotypes, so them being there are better than say, British or French being there. But the point is, East Asia is for (pure) East Asians.
QUOTE (termogard @ Mar 5 2011, 05:41 PM)
{yawn] It does not matter who and where and by whom has been assimilated. The fact that chinese Han used to assimilate some tribe does not give chinese side any right to make territorial claims to Russia. Plain and simple.
As for Khabarovsk and Primorskiy Krai. China has nothing to do with them. The ancient state Balhae used to locate in current Primorye and this state was a successor of korean state Goguryeo. Note - KOREAN, not Chinese.
As for Khabarovsk and Primorskiy Krai. China has nothing to do with them. The ancient state Balhae used to locate in current Primorye and this state was a successor of korean state Goguryeo. Note - KOREAN, not Chinese.
Khabarovsk and Primorskiy Krai were previously territories of Manchu people. The Manchu people were forcibly assimilated into the Han. Therefore, the successor state of the Manchu Qing Empire is the present-day China.
Actually Balhae occupied ONLY the southern portion of Primorskiy Krai.
East Asians should ALL unite. Before the onset of boundaries, ALL East Asians were just one people. Whether Russia gives it to China or Korea - what matters here is that it will go back to an ASIAN power.
QUOTE (termogard @ Mar 5 2011, 05:45 PM)
I am laughing out loudly You seem to watch TOO MANY shaolin-style chinese movies, right? Yes, China has the biggest bunch of armed workers and peasants, SO WHAT? Tell me, please, how you intend to fight Russians? Do you have a rich combat experience? Russia fought Chechen rebels and Georgian troops and won.
Chinese Army used to fight Soviet Union, India and Vietnam and lost. Vitnamese comrades had no nuclear weaponry, nuclear-powered submarines and strategic bombers. They stopped huge people waves of PLA by large amount ot machine-guns and artillery. So much for "the most powerful chinese army"
Nice fairy-tale "made in china". Every minority tribe or group of indigenous people of Russian Siberia or Russian Far East has own land and settlements. If you represent a minority tribe, you have an ultimate right to enter any Russian state university or institute WITHOUT tests or special exams. You also have exclusive right for hunting and fishing on your land and nearby terrirtories. Russian government cares about minority Siberian and Far Eastern tribes and indigenous people. What would chinese offer to minorities? Nothing, except total assimilation and extermination.
Instead of crying nationalistic slogans, go to nearby school and bear up some geographical and historical knowledges.
If you try to KICK RUSSIANS OUT OF SIBERIA, get ready for quick thermonuclear sunburn
By the way - when african-american calls anglo-saxon person as "white" it looks out normal. When a chinese calls Russian as "white" it looks out pretty stupid. Think a bit.
You seem to watch TOO MANY shaolin-style chinese movies, right? Yes, China has the biggest bunch of armed workers and peasants, SO WHAT? Tell me, please, how you intend to fight Russians? Do you have a rich combat experience? Russia fought Chechen rebels and Georgian troops and won. Chinese Army used to fight Soviet Union, India and Vietnam and lost. Vitnamese comrades had no nuclear weaponry, nuclear-powered submarines and strategic bombers. They stopped huge people waves of PLA by large amount ot machine-guns and artillery. So much for "the most powerful chinese army"
Nice fairy-tale "made in china". Every minority tribe or group of indigenous people of Russian Siberia or Russian Far East has own land and settlements. If you represent a minority tribe, you have an ultimate right to enter any Russian state university or institute WITHOUT tests or special exams. You also have exclusive right for hunting and fishing on your land and nearby terrirtories. Russian government cares about minority Siberian and Far Eastern tribes and indigenous people. What would chinese offer to minorities? Nothing, except total assimilation and extermination.
Instead of crying nationalistic slogans, go to nearby school and bear up some geographical and historical knowledges.
If you try to KICK RUSSIANS OUT OF SIBERIA, get ready for quick thermonuclear sunburn
By the way - when african-american calls anglo-saxon person as "white" it looks out normal. When a chinese calls Russian as "white" it looks out pretty stupid. Think a bit.
Chinese military is developing in stealth. Sooner or later, Russia will run for its life.
Russians would TOTALLY EXTERMINATE those natives were it NOT for the extreme cold weather there.
The reason they can't exterminate them is because of the weather. Many Russkies don't want to settle there and replace the natives.The real test whether those tribes are really autonomous? Let them declare independence. I'm pretty sure Moscow would send its soldiers to masscare the natives. Much like what the Cossacks did when they slaughtered the native populations, Chinese, and Koreans in their ANNEXATION OF PRIMORKIY KRAI AND KHABAROVSK KRAI.
All Russia EAST OF BAIKAL was just stolen by Russia from China via one-sided treaties (Treaty of Aigun, Treaty of Nerchinsk, etc.)
National Humiliation for the Chinese will end soon with Siberia in CHINESE HANDS. Bet on it.
P.S. The true Whites are the East Asians. Caucasians are FAUX WHITES - THEY SHOULD BE CALLED PINKIES INSTEAD. Hahaha.
QUOTE (termogard @ Mar 5 2011, 07:01 PM)
Why not? They can out-breed the Russians, but, technically speaking, they will live still inside the Russian Federation. Thus, their future generations will consider themselves Russians.
of course
There would have to be a type of revolution among the Siberian natives in the future. For now, the focus should just be on existence. Siberian natives have no chance unless they are more dominant in terms of demographics, political power, etc.
QUOTE (Temp @ Mar 8 2011, 07:41 PM)
I think this is a stupid question, but Russia is situated in the Asia continent right? so that makes them Asian??
Most people use "Asian" as a synonym for "Mongoloid." In other words, people who look like this:
they're not geographically asians i think but they r mongoloids
QUOTE (txoomsuab2 @ Mar 13 2011, 10:50 AM)
they're not geographically asians i think but they r mongoloids
They actually live in a part of Asia. For some unknown reason, many of the Asia maps on the net doesn't include Russia, but all of Russia east of the Urals is in Asia. Only a few of the indigenous "Asian" minorities live on the European side of Russia IE Nenets & Kalmyk (Kalmyk are not Siberians, though) and they have origin in the Asian part. Really, Asia and Europe isn't as logically separate as the other continents, but there are some almost impenetrable areas in between, mountain ranges and swamp areas, as well as inhospitable climate (In the northern parts, between Siberia and European Russia). I believe that all the indigenous people who lived in Russia east of the Urals were Asian. There are a few exceptions close to the Urals, but the people who have crossed over have done so in more recent times (for example Komi & Nenets). Siberians are definitely part of an Asian continuum.
This map includes the Asian part of Russia, which is
One of the problems some of the indigenous minorities face is that they're often a far smaller number of people than the Russian presence in the areas, with a few exceptions (Like Yakutia).
There is also a large number of mixed people, who may consider themselves as either Russian or Indigenous.
QUOTE (JaM @ Mar 13 2011, 03:32 PM)
They actually live in a part of Asia. For some unknown reason, many of the Asia maps on the net doesn't include Russia, but all of Russia east of the Urals is in Asia. Only a few of the indigenous "Asian" minorities live on the European side of Russia IE Nenets & Kalmyk (Kalmyk are not Siberians, though) and they have origin in the Asian part. Really, Asia and Europe isn't as logically separate as the other continents, but there are some almost impenetrable areas in between, mountain ranges and swamp areas, as well as inhospitable climate (In the northern parts, between Siberia and European Russia). I believe that all the indigenous people who lived in Russia east of the Urals were Asian. There are a few exceptions close to the Urals, but the people who have crossed over have done so in more recent times (for example Komi & Nenets). Siberians are definitely part of an Asian continuum.
This map includes the Asian part of Russia, which is purple in the map.
One of the problems some of the indigenous minorities face is that they're often a far smaller number of people than the Russian presence in the areas, with a few exceptions (Like Yakutia).
There is also a large number of mixed people, who may consider themselves as either Russian or Indigenous.
This map includes the Asian part of Russia, which is purple in the map.
One of the problems some of the indigenous minorities face is that they're often a far smaller number of people than the Russian presence in the areas, with a few exceptions (Like Yakutia).
There is also a large number of mixed people, who may consider themselves as either Russian or Indigenous.
didn't know that but aint it still part of russia though?
QUOTE (txoomsuab2 @ Mar 14 2011, 08:16 PM)
didn't know that but aint it still part of russia though?
(I meant pink when I wrote purple!)
Yes, all of it is part of the Russian Federation.
The federation is a bit complicated, though. Some areas have fairly independent status, like Yakutia, while others don't.
I took this from Wikipedia
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Uploaded with ImageShack.usFederal subjects The Russian Federation comprises 83 federal subjects.[107] These subjects have equal representation—two delegates each—in the Federation Council.[108] However, they differ in the degree of autonomy they enjoy.
- 46 oblasts (provinces): most common type of federal subjects, with federally appointed governor and locally elected legislature.
- 21 republics: nominally autonomous; each has its own constitution, president, and parliament. Republics are allowed to establish their own official language alongside Russian but are represented by the federal government in international affairs. Republics are meant to be home to specific ethnic minorities.
- 9 krais (territories): essentially the same as oblasts. The "territory" designation is historic, originally given to frontier regions and later also to administrative divisions that comprised autonomous okrugs or autonomous oblasts.
- 4 autonomous okrugs (autonomous districts): originally autonomous entities within oblasts and krais created for ethnic minorities, their status was elevated to that of federal subjects in the 1990s. With the exception of Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, all autonomous okrugs are still administratively subordinated to a krai or an oblast of which they are a part.
- 1 autonomous oblast (the Jewish Autonomous Oblast): originally autonomous oblasts were administrative units subordinated to krais. In 1990, all of them except the Jewish AO were elevated in status to that of a republic.
- 2 federal cities (Moscow and St. Petersburg): major cities that function as separate regions.
As you can see, there are many areas with a somewhat independent status, while still being a part of the federation. Even in the European part there are many minorities, such as Nenets in Nenetsia, and republics like Mari El (it's the green nr. ten on the map, there are two marked as ten, for some reason) where about half of the population is Mari people. Even though the districts are named after the indigenous peoples there, the majority of the people are still Russians in many cases.
Russia is basically an empire, all areas east of the Urals, and even some of the areas west of the Urals are not parts of the original Russia.
Interestingly, in Sakha republic/Yakutia, a lot of the Russians have left after the fall of the Soviet Union, while the number of Sakha people has increased, so now the Russians are a minority there.
President of Sakha republic/Yakutia:
I've heard of direct negotiations between Japan and Sakha republic, concerning rare earths, which the biggest producer, China, won't sell any more. Apparently there are huge unexploited resources in Sakha, and there's an obvious modernisation going on there. Perhaps the result will be that the traditional way of life will perish, but at least the various ethnicities will prosper and probably maintain an ethnic identity.
http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2011-03/r...x?storyid=59994
Good pictures from Chukotka.
http://daypic.ru/travel/20084
dang. i thought they were huskies of some sort? lol
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Feb 11 2011, 12:37 PM)
The time to reclaim what is ours has come.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
SIBERIA IS CHINESE.
They are not Chinese.
Siberia belongs to native Siberians................the fact that they allowed Russians to annex them is their problem and no one elses.
^agreed. siberians are like the native americans. really pathetic how they lost all their lands to white people
QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ Apr 23 2011, 12:06 PM)
^agreed. siberians are like the native americans. really pathetic how they lost all their lands to white people
Pathetic? Not really. They were such small numbers that they didn't have a chance, yet it took the Russians quite a long time to subdue them all, since there were fierce resistance in some cases. One of the reasons why they eventually conquered it all was diseases brought by them, which killed off a lot of the population. Sounds familiar?
I mean it's not as pathetic as the case were numerically superior and technically more advanced people were subdued by a fringe religious movement of a few Bedouins, for example. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
The whole Russia GDP per capita is around USD 8000, they have a good life there.
If you guys think about it, it seems like the only place white people ever belong is europe, but as you see in past invasion now they are everywhere. Not only that but they actually have the guts the preach about Human Rights to the non whites?????
QUOTE (JaM @ Apr 23 2011, 04:04 PM)
Pathetic? Not really. They were such small numbers that they didn't have a chance, yet it took the Russians quite a long time to subdue them all, since there were fierce resistance in some cases. One of the reasons why they eventually conquered it all was diseases brought by them, which killed off a lot of the population. Sounds familiar?
I mean it's not as pathetic as the case were numerically superior and technically more advanced people were subdued by a fringe religious movement of a few Bedouins, for example. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
I mean it's not as pathetic as the case were numerically superior and technically more advanced people were subdued by a fringe religious movement of a few Bedouins, for example. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Reminds me of the so called Jivaro tribe of the Amazon Jungles of Ecuador and Peru. Jivaros were a primitive jungle people but very fierce and independent. Neither the so called advanced Incas or supposedly more advanced Spanish could conquer them. Both groups stayed out of there way.
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Whereas the Andean Jivaros have disappeared and their languages are no longer in use, the Amazon Jivaroan complex (Awajún, Wampís, Achuar and Shuar) preserves its territorial location to a large extent, maintains its enormous cultural vitality and, in general, experiences significant demographic growth.
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Pre-1527 Penetration of Jivaro Territory: "The Inca emperor Huayna Capac, led an army to conquer the
Jivaroans inhabiting the region known as "Bracamoros". The invasion was met by such fierce resistance that
Huayna Capac fled ignominiously back to the Andean high, attempting to placate his pursuers with gifts as he
retreated."
The Shuar/Jivaro: "Önly one tribe of American Indians is known to ever have successfully revolted against the empire of Spain and to have thwarted all attempts by the Spaniards to reconquer them, the Jivaro, the Untsuri Suara of easter Ecuador. From 1599 onward they remained unconquered in there forest fastness east of the Andes, despite the fact that they were known to occupy one of the richest placer gold deposit regions in all of South America.
Jivaroans inhabiting the region known as "Bracamoros". The invasion was met by such fierce resistance that
Huayna Capac fled ignominiously back to the Andean high, attempting to placate his pursuers with gifts as he
retreated."
The Shuar/Jivaro: "Önly one tribe of American Indians is known to ever have successfully revolted against the empire of Spain and to have thwarted all attempts by the Spaniards to reconquer them, the Jivaro, the Untsuri Suara of easter Ecuador. From 1599 onward they remained unconquered in there forest fastness east of the Andes, despite the fact that they were known to occupy one of the richest placer gold deposit regions in all of South America.
This is what happened in a Jivaro 1599 Uprising against the Spanish.
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The Spaniards required tribute in gold dust, and increased there demands as the years progressed. In 1599, the Jivaro united 20000 strong under a single war chief, Quirruba, and attacked the Spanish town of Logroño. Quirruba "took possession of the house in which the Governor was staying; surrounding the house, they killed all the people who were inside, except the Governor, who was in a state of undress because of the surprise. They told him that it was now time for him to recieve the tack of gold which he had ordered prepared. They striped him completely naked. tied his hands and feet, and the others set up a large forge in the courtyard where they melted the gold. When it was ready in the crucible , they opened his mouth with a bone saying that they wanted to see if for once he had enough gold. They poured it little by little, and then forced it down with another bone, and bursting his bowels with the torture, all raised a clamor and laughter. Of all the Spanish females they had spared, they killed the old and the very young and saved the rest for their use. Among this number were almost all the nuns of a monastery.
The total number of people killed in Logroño was some 12000 inhabitants, while nearby Sevilla del Oro three fourths of the population 25000 was killed. From 1600 until almost the middle of the nineteenth century, the Jivaro had only intermittent and generally hostile contacts with Whites.
The total number of people killed in Logroño was some 12000 inhabitants, while nearby Sevilla del Oro three fourths of the population 25000 was killed. From 1600 until almost the middle of the nineteenth century, the Jivaro had only intermittent and generally hostile contacts with Whites.
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