The core part of the problem lies in refusal to coexist with the Jews. Most Muslims did not want to live side by side with the Jews in the Middle East. They simply want to wipe out Israel from the map. Though Israel is the most prosperous, democratic and modern nation there that each and every Arab nations surrounding it there should imitate and emulate for their successful governance, instead of relying on cruel dictatorship. Believe me, even if there is no Israel, the hatred against the Jews won't be vanished from your mind. Jews and Christian communities had been living in Arabia for 2000 years side by side with the pagan Arabs, they even intermarried, later, when the powerful religious figure emerged in that area, they were virtually eliminated from Hejjaz. Sad truth indeed.
Muslims want wipe out Israel? Not true! You are just spreading vicious lies about Muslims because you have deep-seated and ingrained prejudice against Muslims, a prejudice that you probably suckle off from the milk of your mother. You are just like galvatron, fellow anti-Muslims, but you both have the right to be what you are. That's your inherent right.
Arabs and Palestinians have progressed beyond the initial stage of wanting to wipe out Israel. They are now willing to recognize Israel's right to exist ,and willing to co-exist peacefully with Israel, provided Israel is willing to withdraw from Arab territories it illegally occupied in 1967, including from East Jerusalem. The Saudis specifically offered a peace plan in 2002, officially called the Arab Peace Initiative which calls for Arab recognition of Israel and the establishment of normal relations with Israel once Israel withdraws from all occupied Arab territories. If peace is achieved between Israel and all Arab countries that results in the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel, non-Arab Muslim countries would automatically follow suit and recognize Israel, countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc. Already, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan and Mauritania are on record as Muslim countries having diplomatic relations with Israel, while some Arab countries like Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Kuwait, UAE , Qatar and Bahrain are already having unofficial "under the counter" relations with Israel.
Here is an excerpt of the Arab peace plan, taken from:http://www.mideastweb.org/saudipeace.htm
Saudi Crown prince Abdullah floated an Arab peace plan that was discussed and modified at am Arab League summit conference in Beirut in March of 2002. The original plan called for peace with Israel in return for Israeli withdrawal from all territories. It was announced as such in a very idiosyncratic way, through a New York Times column by Thomas Friedman. In presenting the plan at the Beirut conference, Abdullah added a significant but ambiguous condition: return of the Palestinian refugees. However, he did not specify whether refugees were to be "returned" to Israel or to the Palestinian state that would be created.
The plan as adopted calls for Israeli withdrawal from all territories occupied since 1967 and return of the Palestine refugees to Israel in return for recognition of Israel and normal relations. The difference is that much more emphasis was placed on the refugee issue. A similar plan was offered by Arab states at the armistice negotiations in 1949. The number of refugees to be returned is not specified.
True, Arabs and Palestinians did want to wipe off Israel from 1940s-1970s. But that was a natural human reaction to being forced en masse out of their homeland that they had inhabited for thousand of years just to make way for a state that was built exclusively for Jews. You too would want to wipe out Israel if it were built in Philippines at the expense of native Filipinos. Palestinain Arabs had lived in Palestine since pagan times long before they became Christians and Muslims, in fact long before they became Arabs. Israel is bigoted, racist state built exclusively for Jews in the name of religion (Judaism and Christianity), in the name of a holy book (Bible) and in the name of a partisan God (the Judeo-Christian God). Muslims would be killed and considered extremists and fanatics if they even for a sec talk or do anything in the name of Islam but Jews are permitted to built a Jewish state in 1948 in the name of their religion and God and supported by Christians who take the Jewish religion as part of their religion.
But Israel is a foregone conclusion. It exists and is internationally recognized within its 1948 borders, and the world, including Arab and Muslim countries, are willing to recognize Israel within these borders, hence the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative. But Israel is not recognized within the 1967 borders, not even the US has recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the US Embassy is still at Hayarkon Street in Tel Aviv. The world, including the US and Europe, in principle, recognizes the need to set up an independent Palestinian state within these 1967 borders (West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem). But it is Israel that does not want the setting up of this Palestinian state. It is Israel that wants to wipe out the Palestinian state. Israel does not want peace and it sends out propaganda that Arabs and Muslims want to wipe it out but it is Israel that is occupying Arab lands, not the other way round. While it talks peace, Israel continues to build Jewish settlements in Occupied Territories, in East Jerusalem, in Hebron, in Sheikh Jarrah, everywhere, all in the name of their God and religion, and in the name of their DIVINE right to Palestine.
And you are a blind as bat to swallow the Israeli propaganda, perhaps you are Christian Zionist. Which is ironic. You come to Malaysia Chat telling Malays to be fair and just to Malaysian Chinese, insinuating and implying that Malays oppress Chinese in Malaysia. But you have no justice, fairness and compassion for oppressed Palestinians not all of whom are Muslims. And you are very blind to the nature of the Israeli state which is bigoted, racist and apartheid. We Malays do not do to our Chinese what Israel is doing to Arabs. And the Palestinian issue is no longer an issue that concerns Muslims only the way anti-Muslim Zionist bigots like you try to paint it out. Increasing number of human beings across all religions in all continents, including in America and Europe, are openly and vocally speaking out against the brutalities of Israel, including Jews themselves. The world is fast changing and you should keep up. The world no longer wants to be caged by the fear of being labeled as "anti-semitic". This "Arabs-want-push-Jews-into-the-Mediterranean" propaganda is archaic and is no longer bought. Zionists like you must figure out new strategies to check the declining support for Israel.
You should watch the argument between Norman Finkelstein and Raanan Gissin, both Jews. Norman Finkelstein is an American Jew, son of Jewish Holocaust survivors but one of the increasing number of Jews who are opposed to Israel, Zionism and Israel’s policies in Palestine. Gissin is an Israeli cabinet minister and a hardcore Zionist. It is not just Muslims, even non-Muslims across the West, Jews included, are questioning Israel these days. They are not asking Israel to be wiped out though some Jews do want Israel to be wiped out; they are just asking Israel to honestly work towards a fair and lasting peace for both Jews and Arabs. That is why J-Street is created in America by moderate Jews as an alternative to long-existing AIPAC which is a hardcore extremist Zionist lobbyist group. J-Street is moderate and seriously wants to end Israel-Palestinian conflict that benefits both Arabs and Israel because it sees a changing world that is getting impatient with Israel. J-Street is even campaigning to support Muslims rights to build the mosque at Ground Zero. Here, watch the Finkelstein-Gissin crossfire, watch how Finkelstein the Jew defends Palestine again another Jew, Raanan Gissin:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLB8DfhnJD0
Nope, Muslims don't hate Jews as per your propaganda. Muslims and Jews had lived together before as brothers and sisters in North Africa, Middle East, India, Iran, etc. Even in Palestine, Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived together for centuries without any group trying to suppress anybody. When Muslim Arabs ruled Palestine, they never declared it a state exclusively for Muslims; Christian and Jewish holy sites were protected for them to freely practice their religions. Muslims did not have a Muslim version of "Aliyah" that says Muslims from anywhere were automatic citizens of Palestine. Muslims even provided homes and safe haven for Jews that fled Spain during the Spanish Inquisition which saw intolerant Christian zealots of Spain giving Jews and Muslims alike hard choices of either being forced to convert to Catholicism or be banished from Spain. Many Jews chose to flee to the Muslim countries. I myself had many Jewish friends as a student overseas, in fact my foster parents there were Jews who took me to visit their synagogues and their homes during Hanukkah. It is Christians who had historical records of hatred against Jews, the Spanish Inquisition and the Nazi Holocaust, for examples. But the creation of Israel in 1948 has changed many positive dynamics in Jewish-Muslim relations. Yet, we Muslims are quite aware that not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews. Many Jews are as opposed to Zionism as Muslims are, Jews like Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, etc and Jews of organizations like Naturei Karta and Satmar. Here is a list of anti-Zionist and anti-Israel Jews, including israelis themselves:http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html
Now, you of all people had the gut to shift each and every catastrophe occurred around the globe to the Jews and ONLY JEWS? No wonder the Jews are progressing at fast pace in science, while you guys decapitated one another in Pakistan, accusing each other as infidels( Qadiyani, Shia Vs Sunni). AND THAT'S JEWS TO BLAME AGAIN? The Coptic Christians in Egypt had been harassed there and lived in fear for 1300 years, did you ever care about them, the original owner of the country? How about 250,000 Southern Sudanese were murdered in cold blood by their Northern Muslim Sudanese? During the war between Pakistan and Bangladesh, 3 million Bengalese were massacred while 200,000 women were raped by Pakistani soldiers, and this was approved by the despicable religious turban wearing mulla of Pakistan. Shame, indeed this is shame. Have you heard any Muslim lamented or at least admit this atrocities? I doubt you even know about this because your concentration and attention are pointed towards JEWS THIS JEWS THAT. Since now you have already known about it, go and verify the truth of my claim, lest you think I am a liar.
Nope, we Muslims do not blame Jews for every problem and catastrophe that happens! You are LIAR, a PATHETIC, BIGOTED ANTI-MUSLIM LIAR peddling rotten anti-Muslim views. No wonder you are siding with Chinese in Malaysia Chat because you hate Malay Muslims, something you share pathetically with galvatron. Instead, it is people like you who blames MUSLIMS ONLY for every problem in the world today. We do believe though that Zionists Jews (not all Jews) are controlling American foreign policy which is something which many Americans themselves believe, even non-Zionist Jews themselves. It is Christians that have historically blamed Jews for all the problems of the world. Christians blame Jews for killing Christ. Here is an excerpt of Christian hatred against Jews, taken from:http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Why...te_The_Jews.htm
Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.
Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:
1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."
2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."
3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."
4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race
Instead, we do believe that every problem and catastrophe
As for intra-religious killings and massacres, it is not just Muslims killing each other. But BIGOTED, RACIST, HATRED-FILLED, ANTI-MUSLIM like you have to cherry-pick, haven't you? History is littered with episodes of Christians killing Christians, Hindus killing Hindus, Buddhists killing Buddhists ,,,and last but not least, Muslims killing Muslims. So no big deal to me about your stupid little story of Muslim Pakistanis killing Muslim Bengalis. Protestants and Catholics killed each other in Northern Ireland, Irish Catholics bombing packed malls in Protestant England ("Christian terrorism"?), white Christians lynched and killed black Christians in southern US in 1960s and earlier so much so they couldn't attend each other's churches, Christian Hutu and Christian Tutsi killing each other in Rwanda in 1990s causing a genocide that killed 800,000 people, Christian Croats going to war against Christian Serbs in Yugoslavia....I could go on. Of course we also have Buddhist Japan invading Buddhist China and Buddhist Korea, killing many of their fellow Buddhists there, Buddhist China suppressing Buddhist Tibet that killed many Buddhist Tibetans, Buddhist Thailand historically going to wars against Buddhist Burma, etc. So, who are you trying to kid? You are not only a LIAR, but a STUPID one at that! Don't you know that humans always find ways to to go to war against each other? They may be of the SAME religion but if their skin color differs, they go to war (Black Christians versus White Christians). They may be of SAME religion but if their sects within that religion differ, they go to war (Catholics vs Protestants, Sunni vs Shia), they may be of the SAME religion but if their ethnicity and languages differ, they go to war (Buddhist Tibetans vs Buddhist Chinese, Muslim Turks vs Muslim Kurds), and so forth.
Muslim Sudanese killing Southern Sudanese Christians? How about Christian Filipinos from the north killing Muslim Moros in the south? A conflict that has kiiled 120,000 people so far, mostly Muslims. Have you lamented it? Have you admitted it? No, you are going to come back and defend your fuking Christian brothers. You are only interested in finding Muslim faults. Shame, shame, shame! How about Christian Americans killing millions of Buddhists (in Vietnam), Muslims (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan). As for rapes in conflicts, American soldiers also raped Iraqi women, don't you know it? Here, read this, it has censored pics too:http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2009/10/0...and-data-emerge
YOU ARE JUST A FUKING BIGOT LAUNCHING A CRUSADE AGAINST US MUSLIMS! Come back...I am ready for more of you!
Yeah, people have the right to believe any theory they like even if it hangs on a weak string. Some ignorant people believe that the 2004 Tsunami was a retribution to the Indonesian for oppressing the Chinese there, while conspiracy theorist like Mr Kummandie believed in technological engineered one conspired by USA( or Jews). Can you see the madness of both infirm theories? It does nothing except portraying an inferiority complex attitude.
It's true that the Jews controlled American economy. Why shouldn't they? They were HARDWORKING, STRIVING, STRUGGLING AND ADAPTING to the local culture and they deserved it. Now you tell me that they had no right to own fortune because they are JEWS? Even the Intel Processor that you are utilizing right now were produced by the Jews. Boycott Intel?
This is the law of nature, you work hard and smart, you obtain the fruit. Others may envy, jealous and meant to harm you, just like many people who envied the people of other races when they turn into a successful bunch in a foreign nation. It's innate. Keep blaming the Jews for each and every misery befalling Muslims, you will do no good to yourself.
Anyway, recently Pakistan suffered from flood and millions being displaced from their home, it's the USA and non-Muslim nations that lend assistance and support the most. Saudi Arabia and Sudan? They are fast asleep, turning deaf and blind for a moment. Keep blaming and blaming.
Useless immature rantings, not worth my attention actually. It is one thing to control the American economy but it is quite another thing to use that control to manipulate the American foreign policy in a way that endangers world security. You do not benefit anything if America goes to a nuclear war against Iran at the urging of Israel and AIPAC, in fact you may have to face post-nuclear war consequences far beyond your imagination. Did I say anything about boycotting "Jewish" products? Are there such economic products called "Jewish" products? You are a LIAR again, you are worse than kumanddie. But it is possible to boycott Israeli products, and why not? Boycott Israel campaign are already being launched by non-Muslims in America and Europe.
Here, read this about a Boycott Israel Campaign in the US. The perpetrators of this campaign are not Muslims or Jihadis, jus ordinary humans who do not look at Palestinians as Muslims or Christians, but as a along-suffering group of human beings:http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/41624
And if you understand Italian, read this Boycott Israel Campaign in Italy:http://digilander.libero.it/ahlalbait/boycott-israel.html