New capabilities, independence from Russia put U.S., Asia on another playing field
By Reuben F. Johnson-The Washington Times6:07 p.m., Tuesday, September 21, 2010
BEIJING | China's military is nearly self-sufficient in building advanced weaponry following decades of importing aircraft, ships, submarines and missile technology, mainly from Russia, and the capability is raising new fears of Chinese military hegemony in Asia and arms exports to rogue states.
New capabilities to produce high-tech arms means defense policymakers in the Asia Pacific and in Washington are being forced to adjust their strategies for dealing with the emerging power of the communist nation's military forces over the next three to five years, according to defense analysts in the West and Asia.
In addition, China's increasing independence from Russian imports of defense technology will allow Beijing to export a raft of high-tech weapons to nations that seek modern-day armaments but cannot purchase what they want from U.S. or European suppliers.
Countries buying Chinese weapons will not be in the position that Iran was in the 1980s, when it purchased low-tech Silkworm anti-ship missiles from Beijing: They were not an optimal solution for the Iranians, but it was all the Chinese defense industry could offer.
Today, if Iran wanted a modern air force backed up by air defense systems, anti-ship missiles and radar networks, it could purchase them from China tomorrow.
"It is somewhat of a tragic story when you look back more than 20 years," a Russian defense analyst, who was once a senior engineer at one of Moscow's most important military enterprises, told The Washington Times. "After the end of the Cold War and when Russia was going through some very difficult economic times — defense industry here indicated their very clear preference to work with their U.S. counterparts, but most of these plans never were realized.
"When the U.S. more or less took a pass on working with Russian industry, the heads of all of our defense enterprises that were full of hungry, unpaid employees had no place to go other than to work with the Chinese."
Beijing went on a defense spending spree, purchasing from Russia a wide array of high-tech weaponry, including fighter jets, attack helicopters and missile systems. Chinese engineers then copied the designs of these arms to create Beijing's own line of modern warfare tools — such as the J-11B fighter jet, which is a copy of the Russian Su-27SK aircraft.
What's more, Chinese engineers have been modifying designs to improve some weapon systems. The Moscow-based Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a private defense and foreign policy think tank, reported recently that China's military has developed a modification of the engine that powers the Su-27SK fighter jet that extends the operational life of the engine from 900 flight hours to 1,500 flight hours — a noteworthy achievement in aerospace technology.
The Russian defense analyst said the U.S. deserves some blame for his country's contribution to China's emerging defense industry. "[The] shortsightedness by the U.S. government in the 1990s has come back to haunt them.
"The U.S. could have put its hands on a cornucopia of defense technology for very reasonable money, but instead Washington laid the foundation for China to become a modern military power in a rather short time — something that would never have happened so quickly without Russia's assistance," he said. "It will cost America far much more in the long run now to counter China's increasingly capable defense posture than it would have to just buy up what was available from Russia in the early 1990s."
The Republic of China (Taiwan) is wishing the U.S. had been more prescient.
A Defense Intelligence Agency report disclosed that Taiwan's air force has only 350 aircraft, many of them aging Northrop F-5s and 20-year-old Lockheed Martin F-16A/B models. Arrayed against them within striking distance from the mainland are more than 450 of China's top-line J-10, J-11 and Su-30MKK fighters, which outclass most of Taiwan's aircraft.
In addition, thanks to the transfer of precision guidance technology from Russia to China, about 1,300 short-range ballistic missiles are targeted from China against most of Taiwan's air force installations.
Specialists from Taiwan's military based in Taipei told the Washington Times that the assumption by defense officials on the island is that most of the air force facilities — including the runways — would be destroyed before the force could get off the ground. "The only aircraft to be airborne would be those already on patrol, but they would have no place to land," said one analyst who has visited Taiwanese air force bases and interacts regularly with the Taiwanese military.
Taipei is seeking to purchase from Washington a shipment of newer F-16s, especially the more advanced F-16C/D Block 50+ variant, but the Obama administration has not granted the request. Also, another request for a badly needed upgrade of the older F-16A/B models already in service with the Chinese air force is not on the table.
Analysts who have focused on China's People's Liberation Army say there is no mechanism for taking away the technology China has assimilated from Russia. "The genie is out of the bottle," one analyst said.
There is also little question that the PLA is "feeling its oats. That it has come into its own with an entire lineup of high-tech weapons at a time when China is becoming the world's second largest economy — and when China is the one nation in the world that is not afflicted with anemic economic performance," said a senior academic at Peking University's prestigious School of International Relations.
This is equivalent to Japan learning how to make cars from US at earlier stage and went to improve and beat the American at car making.
This bargain deal was best thing happened to China when Soviet collapsed. Eat your heart out, supercubano, you little russian weasel.
This bargain deal was best thing happened to China when Soviet collapsed. Eat your heart out, supercubano, you little russian weasel.
For all Viets, Don't be jealous, we are chosen ones, therefore lucks are just on our sides, we seem able to pick alot of technologies left and right from commercial to military.
While Viets only good at making tall building. you guys aren't the chosen ones therefore God won't bestow the needed technology to you folks. mediocrity is written overall for you.
While Viets only good at making tall building. you guys aren't the chosen ones therefore God won't bestow the needed technology to you folks. mediocrity is written overall for you.
QUOTE (lilzz @ Sep 21 2010, 08:24 PM) 
While Viets only good at making tall building.
You must be joking!
QUOTE (hanbaobao @ Sep 22 2010, 03:39 AM)
You must be joking!
come on, you got give them something, that's their main source of national pride.
Don't be so mean, take that away..... can't imagine that. just look at their modernization thread, its all about concrete, cement.. their heart n soul.
There's no doubt the newer weapons coming out China will be better than the Russian's , just like japan learned carmaking from US, and now honda , toyota is head and shoulder better than US's.
once again, supercubano, eat your heart out, you little russian weasel.
once again, supercubano, eat your heart out, you little russian weasel.
China vs Vietnam thread again! 
East Asia is not Middle East.
East Asia is not Middle East.
QUOTE (lilzz @ Sep 21 2010, 08:11 PM)
New capabilities, independence from Russia put U.S., Asia on another playing field
By Reuben F. Johnson-The Washington Times6:07 p.m., Tuesday, September 21, 2010
BEIJING | China's military is nearly self-sufficient in building advanced weaponry following decades of importing aircraft, ships, submarines and missile technology, mainly from Russia, and the capability is raising new fears of Chinese military hegemony in Asia and arms exports to rogue states.
New capabilities to produce high-tech arms means defense policymakers in the Asia Pacific and in Washington are being forced to adjust their strategies for dealing with the emerging power of the communist nation's military forces over the next three to five years, according to defense analysts in the West and Asia.
In addition, China's increasing independence from Russian imports of defense technology will allow Beijing to export a raft of high-tech weapons to nations that seek modern-day armaments but cannot purchase what they want from U.S. or European suppliers.
Countries buying Chinese weapons will not be in the position that Iran was in the 1980s, when it purchased low-tech Silkworm anti-ship missiles from Beijing: They were not an optimal solution for the Iranians, but it was all the Chinese defense industry could offer.
Today, if Iran wanted a modern air force backed up by air defense systems, anti-ship missiles and radar networks, it could purchase them from China tomorrow.
"It is somewhat of a tragic story when you look back more than 20 years," a Russian defense analyst, who was once a senior engineer at one of Moscow's most important military enterprises, told The Washington Times. "After the end of the Cold War and when Russia was going through some very difficult economic times — defense industry here indicated their very clear preference to work with their U.S. counterparts, but most of these plans never were realized.
"When the U.S. more or less took a pass on working with Russian industry, the heads of all of our defense enterprises that were full of hungry, unpaid employees had no place to go other than to work with the Chinese."
Beijing went on a defense spending spree, purchasing from Russia a wide array of high-tech weaponry, including fighter jets, attack helicopters and missile systems. Chinese engineers then copied the designs of these arms to create Beijing's own line of modern warfare tools — such as the J-11B fighter jet, which is a copy of the Russian Su-27SK aircraft.
What's more, Chinese engineers have been modifying designs to improve some weapon systems. The Moscow-based Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a private defense and foreign policy think tank, reported recently that China's military has developed a modification of the engine that powers the Su-27SK fighter jet that extends the operational life of the engine from 900 flight hours to 1,500 flight hours — a noteworthy achievement in aerospace technology.
The Russian defense analyst said the U.S. deserves some blame for his country's contribution to China's emerging defense industry. "[The] shortsightedness by the U.S. government in the 1990s has come back to haunt them.
"The U.S. could have put its hands on a cornucopia of defense technology for very reasonable money, but instead Washington laid the foundation for China to become a modern military power in a rather short time — something that would never have happened so quickly without Russia's assistance," he said. "It will cost America far much more in the long run now to counter China's increasingly capable defense posture than it would have to just buy up what was available from Russia in the early 1990s."
The Republic of China (Taiwan) is wishing the U.S. had been more prescient.
A Defense Intelligence Agency report disclosed that Taiwan's air force has only 350 aircraft, many of them aging Northrop F-5s and 20-year-old Lockheed Martin F-16A/B models. Arrayed against them within striking distance from the mainland are more than 450 of China's top-line J-10, J-11 and Su-30MKK fighters, which outclass most of Taiwan's aircraft.
In addition, thanks to the transfer of precision guidance technology from Russia to China, about 1,300 short-range ballistic missiles are targeted from China against most of Taiwan's air force installations.
Specialists from Taiwan's military based in Taipei told the Washington Times that the assumption by defense officials on the island is that most of the air force facilities — including the runways — would be destroyed before the force could get off the ground. "The only aircraft to be airborne would be those already on patrol, but they would have no place to land," said one analyst who has visited Taiwanese air force bases and interacts regularly with the Taiwanese military.
Taipei is seeking to purchase from Washington a shipment of newer F-16s, especially the more advanced F-16C/D Block 50+ variant, but the Obama administration has not granted the request. Also, another request for a badly needed upgrade of the older F-16A/B models already in service with the Chinese air force is not on the table.
Analysts who have focused on China's People's Liberation Army say there is no mechanism for taking away the technology China has assimilated from Russia. "The genie is out of the bottle," one analyst said.
There is also little question that the PLA is "feeling its oats. That it has come into its own with an entire lineup of high-tech weapons at a time when China is becoming the world's second largest economy — and when China is the one nation in the world that is not afflicted with anemic economic performance," said a senior academic at Peking University's prestigious School of International Relations.
By Reuben F. Johnson-The Washington Times6:07 p.m., Tuesday, September 21, 2010
BEIJING | China's military is nearly self-sufficient in building advanced weaponry following decades of importing aircraft, ships, submarines and missile technology, mainly from Russia, and the capability is raising new fears of Chinese military hegemony in Asia and arms exports to rogue states.
New capabilities to produce high-tech arms means defense policymakers in the Asia Pacific and in Washington are being forced to adjust their strategies for dealing with the emerging power of the communist nation's military forces over the next three to five years, according to defense analysts in the West and Asia.
In addition, China's increasing independence from Russian imports of defense technology will allow Beijing to export a raft of high-tech weapons to nations that seek modern-day armaments but cannot purchase what they want from U.S. or European suppliers.
Countries buying Chinese weapons will not be in the position that Iran was in the 1980s, when it purchased low-tech Silkworm anti-ship missiles from Beijing: They were not an optimal solution for the Iranians, but it was all the Chinese defense industry could offer.
Today, if Iran wanted a modern air force backed up by air defense systems, anti-ship missiles and radar networks, it could purchase them from China tomorrow.
"It is somewhat of a tragic story when you look back more than 20 years," a Russian defense analyst, who was once a senior engineer at one of Moscow's most important military enterprises, told The Washington Times. "After the end of the Cold War and when Russia was going through some very difficult economic times — defense industry here indicated their very clear preference to work with their U.S. counterparts, but most of these plans never were realized.
"When the U.S. more or less took a pass on working with Russian industry, the heads of all of our defense enterprises that were full of hungry, unpaid employees had no place to go other than to work with the Chinese."
Beijing went on a defense spending spree, purchasing from Russia a wide array of high-tech weaponry, including fighter jets, attack helicopters and missile systems. Chinese engineers then copied the designs of these arms to create Beijing's own line of modern warfare tools — such as the J-11B fighter jet, which is a copy of the Russian Su-27SK aircraft.
What's more, Chinese engineers have been modifying designs to improve some weapon systems. The Moscow-based Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a private defense and foreign policy think tank, reported recently that China's military has developed a modification of the engine that powers the Su-27SK fighter jet that extends the operational life of the engine from 900 flight hours to 1,500 flight hours — a noteworthy achievement in aerospace technology.
The Russian defense analyst said the U.S. deserves some blame for his country's contribution to China's emerging defense industry. "[The] shortsightedness by the U.S. government in the 1990s has come back to haunt them.
"The U.S. could have put its hands on a cornucopia of defense technology for very reasonable money, but instead Washington laid the foundation for China to become a modern military power in a rather short time — something that would never have happened so quickly without Russia's assistance," he said. "It will cost America far much more in the long run now to counter China's increasingly capable defense posture than it would have to just buy up what was available from Russia in the early 1990s."
The Republic of China (Taiwan) is wishing the U.S. had been more prescient.
A Defense Intelligence Agency report disclosed that Taiwan's air force has only 350 aircraft, many of them aging Northrop F-5s and 20-year-old Lockheed Martin F-16A/B models. Arrayed against them within striking distance from the mainland are more than 450 of China's top-line J-10, J-11 and Su-30MKK fighters, which outclass most of Taiwan's aircraft.
In addition, thanks to the transfer of precision guidance technology from Russia to China, about 1,300 short-range ballistic missiles are targeted from China against most of Taiwan's air force installations.
Specialists from Taiwan's military based in Taipei told the Washington Times that the assumption by defense officials on the island is that most of the air force facilities — including the runways — would be destroyed before the force could get off the ground. "The only aircraft to be airborne would be those already on patrol, but they would have no place to land," said one analyst who has visited Taiwanese air force bases and interacts regularly with the Taiwanese military.
Taipei is seeking to purchase from Washington a shipment of newer F-16s, especially the more advanced F-16C/D Block 50+ variant, but the Obama administration has not granted the request. Also, another request for a badly needed upgrade of the older F-16A/B models already in service with the Chinese air force is not on the table.
Analysts who have focused on China's People's Liberation Army say there is no mechanism for taking away the technology China has assimilated from Russia. "The genie is out of the bottle," one analyst said.
There is also little question that the PLA is "feeling its oats. That it has come into its own with an entire lineup of high-tech weapons at a time when China is becoming the world's second largest economy — and when China is the one nation in the world that is not afflicted with anemic economic performance," said a senior academic at Peking University's prestigious School of International Relations.
The Russian military-industrial complex are slowly losing its competitive edges to one of its biggest buyer, China.
Ironically, Chinese military technology is so far behind, that the Western military specialist always had to pinpoint that China is at least "50 years" behind them.
QUOTE (Attention @ Oct 9 2010, 12:01 PM)
The Russian military-industrial complex are slowly losing its competitive edges to one of its biggest buyer, China.
Ironically, Chinese military technology is so far behind, that the Western military specialist always had to pinpoint that China is at least "50 years" behind them.
Ironically, Chinese military technology is so far behind, that the Western military specialist always had to pinpoint that China is at least "50 years" behind them.
Trung Cong you work for or benefit from directly or indirectly, the Chinese government?
QUOTE (asaiofinest @ Oct 9 2010, 11:44 AM)
Trung Cong you work for or benefit from directly or indirectly, the Chinese government?
Correcting an idiot on cyber-net is somehow related to oversea Chinese government? ^_^
Is our immediate world going to be shifted by few senseless bickering on AF viet subforum, that's visited by no more than 200 people?
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