http://dcshillong.nic.in/culture.htm
http://www.shillong4u.com/culture/festivals.asp
these people are starting to interest me. they are believe to belong to the proto-austroloid mon-khmer race. if you notice their vocabularies, they sound so similar to khmer vocabularies. such as "nongkrem" which is a dance festival celebrated by the khasi people. the full name of the festival is call "Ka Pom-Blang Nongkrem". their villages also sound similar to ours. such as "anglong". cambodia has a town call "anlong veng". the traditional dress of the male is call "jymphong". the youngest daughter is call "ka khadduh". in khmer, the youngest daughter is call "khon douch". both terms most likely sound similar to each other since the khasi language belongs in the mon-khmer family.
the khasi and jaintia people of meghalaya north-east india are probably living proof of the mon-khmer people migrated from there into SEAsia.
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could you post their pics in here to look at!!! I'VE never seen those people before. How do you know that they were interested you????
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yes post pics
I've already posted pictures of the Austroasiatic-speaking peoples of India, both the Munda and Mon-Khmer branches.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...topic=17592&hl=
-I'm not sure if "proto-australoid" is a valid word, since it's just australoid. I haven't run across "proto" anywhere and this site's use of the word I wouldn't weigh heavily. The implication to use "proto" in that site is that Mon-Khmers turned into Australoids (Veddoids), which is rather far-fetched (for many academic reasons), especially if you've seen pure Veddoids.
-Also, I'm still unclear whether the original Austroasiatic-speaking people was an eastern Asiatic group who mixed with the Veddoids or the other way around with some dash of a 3rd source, since none of the Austroasiatic peoples in India seem to be of pure Veddoid phenotype.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...topic=17592&hl=
-I'm not sure if "proto-australoid" is a valid word, since it's just australoid. I haven't run across "proto" anywhere and this site's use of the word I wouldn't weigh heavily. The implication to use "proto" in that site is that Mon-Khmers turned into Australoids (Veddoids), which is rather far-fetched (for many academic reasons), especially if you've seen pure Veddoids.
-Also, I'm still unclear whether the original Austroasiatic-speaking people was an eastern Asiatic group who mixed with the Veddoids or the other way around with some dash of a 3rd source, since none of the Austroasiatic peoples in India seem to be of pure Veddoid phenotype.
i think the khasis are similar to the khmer as far as racial mixing is concern. i've seen other pics of them and they look nothing like mongoloid. the same thing with khmer people.. the modern day khasis probably now come in all shades and appearances. the same thing can be said about modern-day khmers..
It's interesting, we are related to a people from Northern-eastern India, yet most of Khmer culture comes from the northern part of the southern state of Tamil Nadu.
don't you agree dara that their vocabularies sound similar to khmer?
eh, maybe. do you know of the numbers? perhaps it's similar. khmer is just too different from other mon-khmer languages because it's heavily influenced by Pali.
http://www.iitg.ernet.in/rs/rd/public_html...uages/khasi.htm
whoops. made a mistake
http://www.iitg.ernet.in/rs/rd/public_html...uages/khasi.htm
whoops. made a mistake
nope.. i wish i knew though..
http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Khasis5.html
Ok, this link compares mon-khmer languages and i do see the similarities now.
Ok, this link compares mon-khmer languages and i do see the similarities now.
check this site:http://www.bvom.com/resource/vn_ethnic.asp?pContent=Features
scroll down and you'll see a list of ethnic minorities of vietnam. many of them are of mon-khmer origin. these people were probably part of a mass migration of
mon-khmer people who migrated to SEAsia thousands of years ago..
some of the words are exactly identical. such as the word for "weep". mon=yam,khmer=yam,palaung=yam,khasi=iam
scroll down and you'll see a list of ethnic minorities of vietnam. many of them are of mon-khmer origin. these people were probably part of a mass migration of
mon-khmer people who migrated to SEAsia thousands of years ago..
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Child_.--So, _kon_; Suk, _kon_; Mon, _kon_; Hueei, _kuon_; Annan,
_kon_; Khmer, _kun_; Khasi, _khun_. Compare Nancowry, _kon_.
_Eye_.--The word _mat, mat, mat_, run through several of these
languages, e.g. Mon, _mat_; Huei, _mat_; Stieng; _mat_; Bahnar _mat_;
Annam, _mat_; Khasi, _khmat_ (dialectic _mat_). In Nancowry compare
_olmat_, eye, and _okmat_, eyebrow, and (_e_)_mat_ (_hen_) _mat_
(_drug_), _mat_, of the Nicobar dialects, also Semang _mat, met,
med_. Kuhn remarks that the word _mat_ is common for "_sight_," and
"eye" all over the Malay Archipelago. It should be remarked that in
the Amwi and Lakadong dialects of Khasi the word is _mat_.
_Nose_.--If we cut off the aspirate _kh_ from the Khasi _khmut_, which
thus becomes _mut_, we find some correspondence between Mon, _muh_
(_mu_); Stieng (_tro_), _muh_; Bahnar, _muh_. Here also compare Ho
_mua, muta_; Mundari, _mun_; Uraon, _moy_. In the Anwi and Lakadong
dialects of Khasi the word is _mur-kong_.
_Hand_.--Xong, _ti_; Mon, _toi_; Annam, _tay_, Khmer, _te_ (from
_sang te_, finger); Palaung, _tae, tai_, and Khasi, _kti_ (with
prefix _k_) closely correspond. The forms _ta_ and _toi_ of Amwi,
and Lakadong, respectively, still more closely correspond with the
Mon-Khmer languages than with Khasi. Here compare Nancowry _tei_
and _ti_, or _ti_ of the Kol languages.
_Blood_.--Palaung _hnam_, and Wa _nam_ closely correspond with Khasi
_snam_; here compare Khmer _iham_.
_Horn_:--Mon, _grang_, the horn of an animal, may be compared with
the Khasi _reng_.
_Far_.--Distant. Bahnar, _hangai_; Annam, _ngai_; Khmer, _chhngay_;
Lemet, _sngay_; Sue _chngai_ may be compared with the Khasi
_jing-ngai_. Amwi _shnjngoi_ seems to be a closer form to the above
than Khasi _jing-ngai_. But compare Mynnar (Jirang), _chngi_, which
is clearly very close to Sue _chngai_, and Khmer _chhngay_.
_To weep, to cry_.--Mon, _yam_; Khmer, _yam_; Khmu Lemet and Palaung,
_yam_, are clearly the same as Khasi _iam_, with which also may be
compared Ho _yam_.
_kon_; Khmer, _kun_; Khasi, _khun_. Compare Nancowry, _kon_.
_Eye_.--The word _mat, mat, mat_, run through several of these
languages, e.g. Mon, _mat_; Huei, _mat_; Stieng; _mat_; Bahnar _mat_;
Annam, _mat_; Khasi, _khmat_ (dialectic _mat_). In Nancowry compare
_olmat_, eye, and _okmat_, eyebrow, and (_e_)_mat_ (_hen_) _mat_
(_drug_), _mat_, of the Nicobar dialects, also Semang _mat, met,
med_. Kuhn remarks that the word _mat_ is common for "_sight_," and
"eye" all over the Malay Archipelago. It should be remarked that in
the Amwi and Lakadong dialects of Khasi the word is _mat_.
_Nose_.--If we cut off the aspirate _kh_ from the Khasi _khmut_, which
thus becomes _mut_, we find some correspondence between Mon, _muh_
(_mu_); Stieng (_tro_), _muh_; Bahnar, _muh_. Here also compare Ho
_mua, muta_; Mundari, _mun_; Uraon, _moy_. In the Anwi and Lakadong
dialects of Khasi the word is _mur-kong_.
_Hand_.--Xong, _ti_; Mon, _toi_; Annam, _tay_, Khmer, _te_ (from
_sang te_, finger); Palaung, _tae, tai_, and Khasi, _kti_ (with
prefix _k_) closely correspond. The forms _ta_ and _toi_ of Amwi,
and Lakadong, respectively, still more closely correspond with the
Mon-Khmer languages than with Khasi. Here compare Nancowry _tei_
and _ti_, or _ti_ of the Kol languages.
_Blood_.--Palaung _hnam_, and Wa _nam_ closely correspond with Khasi
_snam_; here compare Khmer _iham_.
_Horn_:--Mon, _grang_, the horn of an animal, may be compared with
the Khasi _reng_.
_Far_.--Distant. Bahnar, _hangai_; Annam, _ngai_; Khmer, _chhngay_;
Lemet, _sngay_; Sue _chngai_ may be compared with the Khasi
_jing-ngai_. Amwi _shnjngoi_ seems to be a closer form to the above
than Khasi _jing-ngai_. But compare Mynnar (Jirang), _chngi_, which
is clearly very close to Sue _chngai_, and Khmer _chhngay_.
_To weep, to cry_.--Mon, _yam_; Khmer, _yam_; Khmu Lemet and Palaung,
_yam_, are clearly the same as Khasi _iam_, with which also may be
compared Ho _yam_.
some of the words are exactly identical. such as the word for "weep". mon=yam,khmer=yam,palaung=yam,khasi=iam
The Austroasiatic family of languages is broken down into two branches, the Munda and the Mon-Khmer. I placed an "X" where the two branches split/meet. This does seem to support that region at the expansion point of the language family.
so you're not sure if the austroasiatic speaking people migrated from that region you placed an X on? do you know why do the orang asli people speak a mon-khmer language? aren't they pure negritos?
could this be that they adopted the mon-khmer language? since they don't even have their own written script.
could this be that they adopted the mon-khmer language? since they don't even have their own written script.
QUOTE (ChuonCheat_Khmer @ Dec 6 2004, 05:12 PM)
so you're not sure if the austroasiatic speaking people migrated from that region you placed an X on?
This is a likely region where the family originated, since the "X" point is where the two branches split. I'd have to look at other quality/academic information, if it's available. I haven't noticed any.
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do you know why do the orang asli people speak a mon-khmer language? aren't they pure negritos?
3 possibilities:
1. Mon-Khmer tribesmen migrated south and mixed with negritos, retaining the language but loosing pheotype over time.
2. The Mon-Khmer sphere of influence was greater than now, before being pushed by other groups (Austronesian, Tai-Kadai, Tibeto-Burmic). Sometimes smaller groups adopt the language of bigger groups. This is documented phenomenon.
3. The Austro-Asiatic people were orginally Negrito.
I'll keep my eye out on any quality/academic information and update.
wow..that's interesting.. but didn't the austronesian malays arrived in SEAsia before the austroasiatic people did such as the mon-khmer tribes? also, aren't there other negrito tribes that speak an austronesian language? like in the philippines and other parts of malaysia..
QUOTE (ChuonCheat_Khmer @ Dec 6 2004, 05:41 PM)
wow..that's interesting.. but didn't the austronesian malays arrived in SEAsia before the austroasiatic people did such as the mon-khmer tribes? also, aren't there other negrito tribes that speak an austronesian language? like in the philippines and other parts of malaysia..
I get the feeling that Austroasiatic is the oldest major family in SE Asia. I'll get back to you on that.
EDIT:
See, if they find words in the languages spoken by the Munda of India that have connection with Austronesian, either by borrowing or common origin, this would mean that Austroasiatic orginated in south China, since there are no Austronesian languages in India.
If they find Tai-Kadai words in the negrito Mon-Khmer languages in Malaysia, it also would imply that this Austroasiatic family moved south from China, since there are no Tai-Kadai people in Malaysia, unless the negritos recently migrated south from Thailand.
you say austroasiatic were originally negritos but aren't the mon-khmers austroasiatic?
QUOTE (ChuonCheat_Khmer @ Dec 6 2004, 05:51 PM)
you say austroasiatic were originally negritos but aren't the mon-khmers austroasiatic?
I'm not saying Austroasiatic peoples were originally negrito. It's just a possibility out of many. Also, the "Austro" in Austroasiatic just means south, so it's not pointing to any race in particular.
hmm.. i'm confused.. you said the mon-khmer tribesman migrated south and mixed with negritos. but aren't mon-khmers austroasiatic in origin?
QUOTE (ChuonCheat_Khmer @ Dec 6 2004, 05:55 PM)
hmm.. i'm confused.. you said the mon-khmer tribesman migrated south and mixed with negritos. but aren't mon-khmers austroasiatic in origin?
Austroasiatic is a language group; it doesn't imply race. Just think of Hispanics. Many language families in the world cross racial boundaries. For example, there is a Tibeto-Burman language spoken in Pakistan and the people look Pakistani. Since all the other Sino-Tibetan-speaking peoples are Mongoloid, this particular tribe must've migrated there and mixed.
And I'm not saying anything, just presenting possibilities until I get for quality information. A lot of the internet stuff is highly unreliable, done by some typist quoting someone else who got it from a second source that got it from some other source.. and so on.
oops.. sorry. yeah, you said it's a possibility. if you don't mind telling me, how old are you User1. you know so much about anthropology and linguistics.
QUOTE (ChuonCheat_Khmer @ Dec 6 2004, 06:05 PM)
oops.. sorry. yeah, you said it's a possibility. if you don't mind telling me, how old are you User1. you know so much about anthropology and linguistics.
I'm not telling
That way I can act maturely and immaturely as I see fit. 
Anyway, I tend to doubt Austroasiatic people were originally australoid (Veddoid). None of the present populations in India show full australoid features.
any updates User1? i'm just bumping this thread..
QUOTE (angkorwat19 @ Dec 14 2004, 03:26 PM)
any updates User1? i'm just bumping this thread..
Nope.. I'll let you know..
as a khmer, i believe my people are really hybrids of mixed australoid,mongoloid and negrito. khmers have distinct features that sets them apart from australoid,mongoloid and negritos. khmers usually don't have nappy hair like negritos. khmers usually don't have as big a nose as australoids. khmers are darker than mongoloids. khmer still has this distinct mongoloid features.
as for the negrito part, i'd say probably less than 2% of the khmer population that contain negrito genes. but majority of khmers are mostly hybrids of australoid and mongoloid
as for the negrito part, i'd say probably less than 2% of the khmer population that contain negrito genes. but majority of khmers are mostly hybrids of australoid and mongoloid
QUOTE (angkorwat19 @ Dec 14 2004, 03:42 PM)
as a khmer, i believe my people are really hybrids of mixed australoid,mongoloid and negrito. khmers have distinct features that sets them apart from australoid,mongoloid and negritos. khmers usually don't have nappy hair like negritos. khmers usually don't have as big a nose as australoids. khmers are darker than mongoloids. khmer still has this distinct mongoloid features.
as for the negrito part, i'd say probably less than 2% of the khmer population that contain negrito genes. but majority of khmers are mostly hybrids of australoid and mongoloid
as for the negrito part, i'd say probably less than 2% of the khmer population that contain negrito genes. but majority of khmers are mostly hybrids of australoid and mongoloid
I've always said they were mixed/hybrids. That's pretty obvious. I'm not sure of the exact origins and strains and stuff like that. As I said, I'll keep a look out and update with anything substantial.
QUOTE (User1 @ Dec 6 2004, 06:11 PM)
QUOTE (ChuonCheat_Khmer @ Dec 6 2004, 06:05 PM)
oops.. sorry. yeah, you said it's a possibility. if you don't mind telling me, how old are you User1. you know so much about anthropology and linguistics.
I'm not telling
That way I can act maturely and immaturely as I see fit. Anyway, I tend to doubt Austroasiatic people were originally australoid (Veddoid). None of the present populations in India show full australoid features.
Ignorant. I'm pretty sure most students of Anthropology would understand that the Austroloids in Australia evolved in Australia(not Asia) as a result of the climate there. So there is a difference in features between pure Austroloids in Southern India/Sri Lanka, and Australia. Stop distorting facts.
QUOTE (Menikani @ Dec 15 2004, 09:15 PM)
QUOTE (User1 @ Dec 6 2004, 06:11 PM)
QUOTE (ChuonCheat_Khmer @ Dec 6 2004, 06:05 PM)
oops.. sorry. yeah, you said it's a possibility. if you don't mind telling me, how old are you User1. you know so much about anthropology and linguistics.
I'm not telling
That way I can act maturely and immaturely as I see fit. Anyway, I tend to doubt Austroasiatic people were originally australoid (Veddoid). None of the present populations in India show full australoid features.
Ignorant. I'm pretty sure most students of Anthropology would understand that the Austroloids in Australia evolved in Australia(not Asia) as a result of the climate there. So there is a difference in features between pure Austroloids in Southern India/Sri Lanka, and Australia. Stop distorting facts.
i am not sure but didn't proto-australoids originated from the continent of australia? hence the term "austro".
QUOTE (angkorwat19 @ Dec 15 2004, 09:29 PM)
QUOTE (Menikani @ Dec 15 2004, 09:15 PM)
QUOTE (User1 @ Dec 6 2004, 06:11 PM)
QUOTE (ChuonCheat_Khmer @ Dec 6 2004, 06:05 PM)
oops.. sorry. yeah, you said it's a possibility. if you don't mind telling me, how old are you User1. you know so much about anthropology and linguistics.
I'm not telling
That way I can act maturely and immaturely as I see fit. Anyway, I tend to doubt Austroasiatic people were originally australoid (Veddoid). None of the present populations in India show full australoid features.
Ignorant. I'm pretty sure most students of Anthropology would understand that the Austroloids in Australia evolved in Australia(not Asia) as a result of the climate there. So there is a difference in features between pure Austroloids in Southern India/Sri Lanka, and Australia. Stop distorting facts.
i am not sure but didn't proto-australoids originated from the continent of australia? hence the term "austro".
Proto-Austroloids originated in Asia, not Australia. Austroloids of the Indian subcontinent evolved one way, while the Austroloids in Australia did so another way. What User1 claims to be “australoid features” is inaccurate since there was two different "evolution" of Austroloids, one in India and another in Australia. The term "austro" in this case is refered to Southern Asia.
thanks for clarifying that Menikani. are you taking anthropology btw? i'm starting to take interest on this subject..
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this lady is a perfect example of a khmer with negrito ancestry
this lady looks like a typical khmer in my opinion
this lady looks like a typical khmer in my opinion
^What parts of Cambodia are they from?
The child of the second lady definitely has the look of an average Khmer child. Big round eyes..somewhat brownish hair.
The child of the second lady definitely has the look of an average Khmer child. Big round eyes..somewhat brownish hair.
the lady in the second pic i believe is from Trapang Prasat District. i don't know where is that located at.. as for the first lady, i don't know..she is a beggar..
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