QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Nov 29 2010, 01:35 PM)
Yes I'm challenging your bull.
It is a minority of anti-Japanese like you that are spreading ALL the B.S. about Japan.
It is such a pitiful thing: to gain satisfaction from falsely tarnishing the reputation of others.
Read your own post that I put in bold. Only a handful of people outside of Japan know about ch2. For those who don't know, ch2 is a huge Japanese language forum. People gather to talk about everything: fishing, games, AV, cars, etc... Of course there is a nationalist minority on that site that talk sh!t - AF is relatively a small site and look at the sh!t that goes on here. Don't you think the biggest Japanese forum would also have the most anti-korean/Chinese elements? To bring up ch2 proves you have to dig deep and far to try to find dirt on us. fail.
Youtube?! the Japanese Nationalist presents on youtube is dwarfed by the anti-Japanese propaganda that's on youtube. The ratio is like 1 to 1,000 I can't believe you'd even use that as an argument. Didn't check on the anti-Japanese side of youtube did you? lol.
Let's clarify here. Japanese, not even the nationalist, don't go around bad mouthing other Asians like, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Thai, Lao, Indonesians, Mongolians, Taiwanese etc.. Nationalist are the worst elements of Japanese society and yet they don't attack these other Asians unless an international event occurs. The only groups this deviant minority attacks are Chinese and Koreans( mostly Koreans).
Japanese are ONLY hated by a small number of Koreans and Chinese. We didn't cause this, the only thing Japan ever did against China or Korea was in ww2 of which no keyboard warrior was born to be a part of. As I said many times before, I don't recognize WW2 as a modern day argument to be anti-Japanese. The Grandparents had the right, so to some extent did the parents generation. But not today's kids. Without WW2, all your arguments collapse.
Every pole has always shown Japan to have a good reputation among Asia(except Korea and China), Europe and the rest of the world. Trying to get other countries to hate us won't work. Fail2.
I have just read your post and felt compelled enough to post a response, something I hardly ever do when browsing internet forums.
Unfounded anti-Japanese sentiment does indeed get out of hand within the Sinosphere and as you appropriately said, it is sickening, even for me as a Korean whose grandparents lived during the occupation. But inasmuch as I agree with a lot of what you are saying, perhaps you are really discounting the pain, suffering and anger felt by those who have been oppressed? I feel like your rather aloof attitude towards this issue is precisely why there is so much anti-Japanese sentiment even to this day. In terms of the way Japan has dealt with international relations of late is just that: aloofness. You will accept that it is human nature to expect an apology for a wrongdoing recieved. And, if you are indeed the knowledgable guy you seem to be, you will also accept that Japan during WW2 committed some hardcore war crimes that are arguably on par with those of Nazi Germany.
The general sentiment felt by the Chinese/Korean Japan haters is that Japan, unlike other belligerents in recent history, refuses to apologize
for its wrongdoings, and instead takes precisely your type of evasive stance, "c'mon guys, it's all part of the past!" Correct me if I am wrong, but Japan has yet to apologize or provide compensation for its crimes; rather it has merely "acknowledged" the things it has done. And yes, there is big a difference b/w the two. It's like saying, "yes we massacred people, and yes thats wrong, but we're not necessarily sorry for it". Read the 8/15 speeches by every single Japanese prime minister to date and you may know what I mean. The Chinese and Koreans have every right to be pissed when a national figure like Koizumi visits Yasukuni to bow and shed tears in front of some the sickest people ever to live; the very people who enslaved and humiliated my grandfathers (and you know I am not talking about your average Japanese soldier who died honorably for his country). What's the message??? I feel a strong undercurrent of ugly and bitter prideThey also have evry reason to be pissed when the Japanese government refuses any compensation whatsoever for the comfort women who were forcibly raped . day by day. Remeber, that comfort woman is some kid's grandmother today. You'd be pissed if you were that kid. Yet not only are they not compensated, in many cases the Japanese governemtn even denies this to be true.
Take a look at Germany. Holocaust denial is punishable by law. What about the United States? The U.S. goes out of their way to compensate for the pain caused by slavery with policies like affirmative action (a whole other issue). These countries have every right to say that what was the past was the past because they earned their clean sheets. Now take a look at Japan. For some reason Japan is the only one in denial, teaching their kids with skewed history textbooks romanticizing the war effort. See the difference? Koreans are under the impression that Japan is trying to really hard to forget and deny. There is a Korean saying that goes along the lines of, "he who strikes the blow easily forgets, but he who recieves it always remembers." Yes, the haters become dumb whiners if the belligerents had already apologized in 1945, but when they haven't, the "whining" is fully justified to this day, and the burden is inevitably on the Japanese folks of this day. But instead of an apology what we get see on TV is the prime minister bowing at Yasukuni when all of East Asia is watching in anger. Imagine the German prime minister bowing in front of Hitler's grave. Europe would be PISSED, no? Japan needs to come to terms with the uglier parts of its history, and exhibit actions which express its understanding of the pain of the oppressed in sincere fashion if it wants to be respected by her neighbors. She still doesn't in many ways. You say that Japan gets a bad rap exclusively in China and Korea, but that's because to others the issue isn't personal. Just as I acknowledge that Nazis were screwed up nutcases, but don't have any hard feelings for Germans that Jews or French might harbor.
Now don't get me wrong, I personally love Japan. I travel over there more often than any other place to enjoy a good bowl of pork ramen or warm sake, and I have the utmost respect for their people in their soft spoken kindness, humility, and simple work ethic that the Koreans need to learn from. I also see a lot of Japanese tourists in Korea who seem to have very pleasant experiences as well. Young Japanese and Koreans get along fine today at the personal level; the problem is in the politics, the grander scheme of things. When it boils down to it all, we are the closest kin to one other and foreigners can't even distinguish b/w the two. Why all the hate? I only wish the two countries can learn to get along better in the future, and I have great hopes for change in Japanese politics now that Naoto Kan is prime minister. Would love to hear what you think, Just my two cents.