Have not visited this forum for a long time.

What happened to the diehard TIers? Can I assume that they are all gone to hiding and ready to follow the eventual unification?

They are busy making money in China.

Unification? lol

Is Chen shui Bian still behind bars?

ask for independence, dig up your dirt tracks, serve life behind bars.

well they certainly are more quiet now, but I doubt they are about to give up their "cause"any time soon.

There are several surveys online that show that the majority of Taiwanese prefer status quo. However, the amount of people in Taiwan wishing for immediate independence is larger than that for immediate unification.

my die hard taiwanese friend eventually wants to work in mainland in the future lol

In their hearts of hearts, the diehard TIers are still crazy about the Chinese (mainland) culture.

I was in Beijing for a month in August and saw tons of Taiwanese tourists there.

no

to me,taiwanese are just a bunch of japanese wannabes,its sad and embarrassing.I dont want unification with them

not all are japanese wannabes.

Not now, but i think eventually, if China keep going in the same path. It's all about how much money you have and how strong you are, not all this useless rhetoric about ideologies.

They will unify when it's cool to be Chinese again.

That's funny considering places like Taiwan, HK and Singapore all retain more original Han Chinese culture than the mainland after the brilliant cultural revolution by your precious Mao. Maybe if we do unify in the future we can teach you a thing or two about authentic Chinese culture.

Wrong. The "original" or "authentic" culture is the culture on the mainland. Culture is always changing and the mainland will always be the "true" culture. Which means that people in Taiwan, HK and Singapore aren't practicing real Chinese culture.

what authenic chinese culture?Betel nut beauties??

quoted for truth

LOL then I would rather not practice the "real" Chinese culture then.

he was hated by the pro-union becos his policies favor non-union.

but he is under detention not becos of that.
his family are involved in moving out large sum of money that they cannot explained why - and are not likely to be used for independence.
while evidences are still lacking that he is personally involved in sending out the money, there are bits and pieces that suggest he had accepted these money from non legal basis.

in fact, a lot of politicians in taiwan have some unclear accounts. even ma ying jeou is involved, but his sum is petty so there is no good reason to target him without handling the more important issues.

Cultural revolution (HK, Taiwan, Singapore was not influenced by any of these events, thus preserved authentic traditional Chinese culture, all intact)

and

Traditional Chinese script (Mainland's bastardization of Chinese written language much?)

Seriously, Chinese culture in Hong Kong is very much more traditional than say Beijing, because of Cultural revolution.

Hope China and Taiwan will be unified peacefully soon.

What a stupid notion that authentic Chinese culture is anywhere but in China, what absolute crab... I mean crap!

The claim of preserving the "authentic Chinese culture" was an old political refrain used by the KMT in its conflict against the CCP. It is interesting to see it brought up again in the context of the ROC's political ambitions today. I guess habits do preserve themselves. I'd warn against it, however. The existence of "authentic" culture implies the existence of "unauthentic" culture, which is simply one of those chauvinistic tools used to mislead the public. The cultures of China and Taiwan are both "authentic" in the sense that they are living cultures practiced by living people, and will go down in history as such. Value judgments beyond these are fundamentally subjective. I tend to see them as nonsense.

uh. Remember what the whole point of the cultural revolution was? Yeah. To get rid of Chinese culture. Guess where it happened?

Good ole crazy Mao. The guy was a total nutcase, and ran China's economy into the ground.

Typical Mainlander attitude. It's funny seeing how mainlanders nowadays are clamouring to regain the traditional Chinese culture that was lost in the cultural revolution.

Call the culture in China today authentic if you must, but make no mistake about it, places like HK, Tw and Singapore all retain much more traditional Chinese culture than the Mainland. Sad but true.

Wait, so Taiwan and Hong Kong are more Chinese because the cultural revolution happened in China?

The Taiwanese aren't even sure if they're Chinese or not.

Hong Kong does have a lot of traditional Chinese elements to it, but let's be realistic here. Before 1997, half of the people in HK considered themselves Chinese, the other half either straight HK or British. Taiwan was a Japanese colony, and HK was a British colony also.

The overwhelming bulk of early Chinese tradition (and China) is in Northern China. A lot of cultural relics were lost in the Cultural Revolution, but the overwhelming majority of everything culturally Chinese is still in mainland China. Do I really need to mention the Great Wall? The Forbidden Palace? The Terra Cotta soldiers? At the very least, everyone in mainland China can consider themselves Chinese.

Guys, where did the Three Kingdoms take place at? Taiwan? Hong Kong? The vast majority of everything Chinese is (believe it or not) in China. I can't believe that changing a writing system from traditional to simplified means you're not Chinese anymore. I take it anyone not wearing hanfu is a lao wai also. I take it anyone not speaking Cantonese is also less traditionally Chinese as well.

Are people in Taiwan and Hongkong celebrating with Hanfu? are they proud of being at least...Chinese?? *pointing at Taiwan*. And what traditions in Taiwan that Fujian doesn't have? pupet show and santaizi? oh plz they got them in Min Nan area, there are variations of them all around Fujian.

However I do agree that southerner are more traditional than northerner

So you think that because 20 or 30 Internet users (who could be located anywhere in the world) do not show up on an Internet message board, that it means that the island of Taiwan is ready to unify with China?






That doesn't even make sense.

So what do you think is the true reason why the diehard TIers don't show up here anymore?

Anyway, I know a teacher at a Tainan University who said that his school is going to enroll over 1000 mainland students.

Also, the cross-strait agreements are being signed left and right. Even the DDPs are taking a centralist line on this issue.

There are many possible reasons - academic, family, personal and business related - that I can think of. Perhaps some of them even got banned. Or simply lost interest in AF. Or are too busy to post.


I've been busy with school, internships and jobs, so I have posted much less frequently, for instance.

Whoa really. You are still in the school process. Somehow I got the strong impression that you are at least 30 or above.

Hong Kong and Taiwan retain a lot more traditional Chinese culture than Mainland.

Communism and Cultural revolution destroyed a lot of ancient Chinese culture that was preserved in HK and Taiwan.

I just graduated and got a job. I'm transitioning into working life.

all they retained is the traditional script. that's about it. it's laughable to say that HK or singapore retained more traditional culture than say beijing which has far more traditional architecture.

You know, I seriously have problems with the way young Taiwanese talk.

I am glad that Taiwan is more opened to China, and there are small number of conscientious Taiwanese who talk good Chinese.

How can Taiwan "reunite" with China? That's like the U.S. reuniting with Britain. What a silly notion.

Obviously it is not similar to that.
Maybe it is like East / West Germany.
But actually that is not really exactly the same either.
It is the only kind in the world, unique.

Anyways....

I believe some aspect of traditional Chinese culture is more preserved in TW such as Taoism (possibly), but other than that I dont see much difference.
I have some vague idea that TW and other places did not have cultural revolution so some cultural aspects were not destroyed or attacked.
But to be honest, I am not able to explain or understand what exactly was destroyed.
In my opinion the main difference probably is Taoism.
Maybe there are more Taoism followers in TW and other places.
But I think nowadays with modernization and globalization, more and more people are lax in their religion, so maybe some Taoists are just cultural Taoists who are not really religious, meanwhile in China there is a relaxation and even rejuvenation of traditional Chinese culture which may include Taoism revival, so I think the trend is somewhat moving in the direction of a confluence.

What do you think, anyways this is just my sense.

Other than Taoism or religiosity aspect, I am not able to understand the difference between traditional Chinese culture in China and outside.

Culture is much more complicated than just one religion.

It has to do with how a people (in this case the Chinese people) as a whole look at themselves in terms of value, religion, language, concept, way of do things, beliefs, thnking in general, etc. Culture is a mental commonality and way of life of a people.

That is why the overseas Chinese people are less culturally Chinese because their Chinese culture is invariable compromised by other cultures. For example, the Chinese in San Francisco are less culturally Chinese even though they do the same lion dance celebration in Chinese New Year.

It is obvious that overseas Chinese living in countries closer to China are more culturally Chinese. Chinese people in Singapore and Malaysia are more culturally Chinese, but the differences are still there. Their Chinese culture is compromised by other cultures of the region.

Unless Taiwan becomes more closer to China, it will inevitably be less culturally Chinese. It does not matter if they all eat the same food, or have the same lions dance.

Taiwan can stop acting as a white man's puppet now. We want peace and unity in Asia.

Never!!!!! Taiwan has already developed an independent identitfy and political system! Going backward to Chinla is a joke! You Chinese need to respect the will and ideals embraced by the current owners of Taiwan!

^LOL, funny. Before the handover, 95% of Hong Kongers didn't see themselves as Chinese, but ten years later things have completely changed. Of course there are still dejected bleeding heart British pets like yourself who seem unable to accept the fact that your masters are not comming back. Cry us a river. lol.

Your argument makes no sense at all. Culture is not relevant to any country laying claim to any other country.

I personally don't believe that Taiwan is "ready for unification" with mainland China. It wouldn't benefit the government or economic status of Taiwan at all. The KMT government would just be paying taxes, draining any economic success Taiwan had to Beijing.

Having a "One Nation, Two Systems" (like Hong Kong) policy wouldn't be necessarily TERRIBLE, but I don't think it's in the interest of the people in Taiwan.

Considering that 66% of Taiwanese oppose unification, while 47% support independence, I would hardly say that Taiwan is ready for unification.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/arch...4/27/2003501789

Sums up my thoughts exactly.

Dude, by 2050, HK people would be begging to reunify with Shenzhen and merge fully with China, and let go of the barbaric colonial relic known as British administration.

fu-k, just STFU, and quietly accumulate wealth, while ensuring West doesn't not exploit any disorder in world affairs to de-stabilize China's restoration of her rightful position as the world's leading economic superpower, a position held for more than 2 millenias.

The West has proven that their inputs in public affairs is simply fantastical ideas by impractical people. Time is on China's side, as Chinese people are morally and culturally superior to these barbarians of the West.

NO UNIFICATION
Republic of China and KMT are the true China