http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO3vUAM7ckY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_g2wL8JJwA


Is this right that Taiwaneses get angry at Korea? (i heard whole Taiwan is in a frenzy with this thing now)

Yes, competition must be fair, of course!
But i heard that the Taiwanese player used unlawful equipment so she was disqualified.
So, is this Taiwanese fault or Korean fault?

It seems that Taiwan always have hostility to Korea, maybe inferiority complex or victim mentality? i don't know.
There are innumerable tries and rumors devoted to kicking Korea off their pedestals by Taiwan.

relax,they are even more angry at us.cuz they think we disqualified their player on purpose so the chinese player would win the gold medal.

taiwanese news programs always have the funniest uses of graphics

What a bunch of crybabies lol. I'll bet if it was the Japanese who did that to them, they wouldn't do anything about it since they worship the Japanese.

Why are they angry at Korea? Was the judge/official who made the disqualification call Korean?

Yes......


And Korean Tae Kown Do referees played dirty several times.
It happened during 2009 East Asian Games too according to the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABpF-LM61Yc

No, you moron. The referee was vietnamese or other ethnic. No korean was ever involved with the decision

Taiwan, grow up some pair of balls and stop b!tching at wrong people.

Really? Do you have the names of judge(s) and their nationality? I'm asking because on a Korean Forum ( http://forum.koreansentry.com/viewtopic.php?t=3518 ) they are saying the following:

SimonSays: "I'm sorry, but what does Korea have to do with all this? I don't care if the athlete was right or was cheating, but I just fail to see the Korea connection. She was playng in the ASIAN Games hosted by CHINA, playng against a VIETNAMESE opponent with socks that were checked by a CHINESE examiner. The match was stopped by a CHINESE technical director and a CHINESE player went onto win the competition. Korea has not won a single taekwondo medal. WTF. "

Settt: "Im laughing out loud at the comments. They are calling us cheaters.

So lets get this straight. Taiwanese athlete is caught cheating. Then Taiwan gets mad at Korea even though A. There was no Korean ref, B. It was a match between Taiwan and Vietnam, C. There was no Korean person in the finals at that weight division D. It was the decision by Chinese officials. Taiwan is such a miserable country. Where exactly did we cheat?"

So I'm getting a conflicting information here. I'd ask guys at KS, but I'm not a member of their forum, just a visitor.

Also, in the link that you provided.. what happened? I don't speak Chinese so I don't know what is the issue. Taiwanese athlete got kicked in the neck, which is an illegal blow? Background information would be helpful.

No Korean players won the medals in the women's Taekwondo under 49kg. In fact, Koreans didn't get even one single medal in Taekwondo on the day. I don't understand why they are blaming on us.

Women's Under 49kg (Nov 17-2010)

Medal Athlete Name Country
Gold WU Jingyu China
Silver KASAHARA Erika Japan
Bronze VU Thi Hau Vietnam
Bronze SONKHAM Chanapa Thailand

Women's Under 46kg (Nov 17-2010)

Medal Athlete Name Country
Gold HUANG Hsien Yung Chinese Taipei
Silver TOURAN Dana Jordan
Bronze KHOSH JAMAL Iran
Bronze VALENTINA Fransisca Indonesia

Taiwanese can only burn/rip paper flags.

According to this http://www.nownews.com/2010/11/17/91-2665169.htm

The referee was a Korean with the Philippines nationality. His name is 洪性天 and had some previous problems with Taiwanese players.

they seem to be blaming China more than anyone else.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=246359

the competitor directly mentions the Chinese examiner.

An article from taiwan? Is that the best you can come up with?

at least no one blames the Filipino

Do you have a link to an official Asian Games' website or some Western media source? I take news reports from Asian countries with a grain of salt b/c they can be based on hearsay (some Korean guy wedding Putin's daughter that proved to be false) or based on political motivation/pressure. Also, I can't read Chinese.

But even if he is of Korean ethnicity, he is a Philippino now. I mean, if a Korean-American goes to Taiwan and commits a crime, are you going to blame him, America, or Korea?

I also don't understand the Asian tendency of tying in an individual's ethnicity with the whole country and attacking the whole country instead of the individual. If the judge was a Korean who is biased against Taiwanese athletes, blame the judge and his capacity to make unbiased decisions.

However, if the event was held in Korea where a Korean judge was pressured by the Korean government to make a biased decision, I would see how you can attack the country/country's government. In this case, even if the judge was Korean, I don't see the need to attack Korea since as people have pointed out above, there was no need for him to disqualify Taiwanese athlete b/c there were no Korean contenders to win a medal. Were there any Korean contenders at all in that category?

His name is 洪性天 and had some previous problems with Taiwanese players.
1) I guess the question remains on whether or not he is simply biased against Taiwanese for personal reasons, or;
2) He gets kickbacks from certain groups or bows to political pressure. Since the venue happened in China, my questions is, in other instances where he made biased decisions, were the venues also held in China and/or is there an appearance where China would directly benefit from him making a biased decision against Taiwan.

The answer to this questions would indicate whether or not his simply anti-Taiwan, or gets pressured by China to make biased decisions against Taiwan so that China may benefit.

Referee just followed the rule. I don't think he favored or discriminated any specific nationality.

So？

I am just relaying the news. Why do you have to write a long reply?

So the Taiwanese wants to burn a flag because of a game? What happens when real human lives are being lost due to negligence and lack of concern, like the Manila hostage crisis? Will they personally go to the Philippines and burn the whole country then for a lack of care for their Taiwanese citizens?

The referee was CHINESE from MAINLAND CHINA. Taiwanese are just bitter because it's a Korean sport. They resent Korea for so much when we did NOTHING to them and treated them much nicer than other countries.

Washington Post: Taekwondo row spurs. . .

Taiwanese perceptions of foul play in the Yang decision were fed by media reports that Zhao Lei, an Asian Games official from China, was one of its authors. The competition was eventually won by China's Wu Jingyu.

I guess some Taiwanese hostile against Koreans need some reality check. Maybe they have had no restraint as nobody paid attention. I would understand if Korea had directly harmed them somehow but what special thing has Korea ever done to them (besides being an industrial competitor)? They can have some sort of complex as most human beings do but they should know the limit and stop spreading rumors about Koreans.

The Taiwanese burned Korean flag, threatened to boycott Korean products and dramas, called the Koreans as Korean dogs, etc.

They must really hate Koreans. I don't think they hate Koreans just because of this. They've hated Koreans for quite a few years now. The Asian Games is the perfect opportunity now to vent their anger.

So exactly why do they hate Koreans?

A game can mean a life for some people My friend's like that. He treats hockey as his life.

I have no idea. I've always heard that the Taiwanese holds some kind of grudge against Koreans, but non one (except the Taiwanese) knows why. Maybe someone on the forum can share with us why.

@ emotion1030 - I agree. There are many people who are really into the Asian Games. It does only happen once every four years, so it's something special, just for Asians. It's like the Olympics for Asians

That's what I would like to know, too.

Looking at the Korean newspapers and medias, there are not many coverages on Taiwan, nowadays. I wonder why we have to get all this hatred from the people that most of Koreans hardly pay attention.

Not yet. lol
keeping a low profile is not always bad, you know.

Somehow I have never seen anybody who could clearly explain this so far. The hatred is there but the justification is unclear.

I've heard of the hatred too.

Everyone knows that Taiwanese are Japanese wannabes. You know the whole "your enemy is my enemy" phrase. So Japanese enemies are their enemies. So since Korea is Japan's "enemy", then the Taiwanese will follow and treat Korea as their enemy. Just guessing.

This was my first time to see Korean flag being ripped and burned.
Obviously, I am not happy with that.

I heard most of Taiwanese people admire Japanese in spite of long occupation by Japanese.

Will they finally love us if we do the same?
(sarcasm).

I donno. I only wish that I could know why they react that way, --- not that I really care.

I thought you were Taiwanese or at least familiar with the matter or at least present another point of view. Never mind, I guess... And I was offering my analysis of this situation from different angles.

According to the official website for Asian Games, there were no South Korean contestants for women under 49kg (the same weight division Yang competed in):
http://www.gz2010.cn/info/ENG_ENG/ZZ/ZZS10...@@@@@@@ENG.html

First time? Really? I guess the real haters of Korea are not Japanese or Chinese, but Taiwanese. Interesting.

Why would Koreans help Chinese to win a gold medal?
So Taiwanese are blaming Koreans because a Filipino national (who's supposedly Korean) disqualified their player to let Chinese athlete win?

Upon further research on the official Asian Games website, BINGO!!! Here are the referee and judges:

http://www.gz2010.cn/info/ENG_ENG/TK/TKR17...0000002ENG.html

Referee: FERNANDEZ Stephen Estanislao from Philippines
http://www.gz2010.cn/info/ENG_ENG/ZB/ZBB10...ber=101835.html

Three judges:
Guo Li from China: http://www.gz2010.cn/info/ENG_ENG/ZB/ZBB10...ber=102161.html
ALFADHEL Faraj from Kuwait: http://www.gz2010.cn/info/ENG_ENG/ZB/ZBB10...ber=101826.html
ABDUJABOROV Jamshed from Tajikistan: http://www.gz2010.cn/info/ENG_ENG/ZB/ZBB10...ber=101843.html


Click on the links next to their names to see the pictures. Looks like the matter is settled. Koreans have nothing to do with that disqualification; neither the ref nor any of the judges were Korean. Taiwanese are irrational and get whipped up into a frenzy over mindless rumors that are not substantiated by facts.

Case closed.

PS Asian Games, you need to do some reference checking b/c as you can see from that article you posted about a Philipino judge being of Korean ethnicity... it was a complete lie. A Philipino was not a judge but a ref and he definitely doesn't look like a Korean. That's what I meant when I said, I don't really trust news articles from Asian sources. Too much rumor and speculation that gets passed as "news."

Here's a pretty good explanation from a foreign graduate student of Asian studies and someone who has lived and traveled to both Korea and Taiwan.

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Anti-Korean Sentiment in Taiwan
Having spent a wonderful year or so in Korea I have had occasion to speak of my experiences to people I meet here in Taiwan. I have been surprised to see some anti-Korean sentiment amongst people I have met here.

I first got a hint of this soon after I arrived in Taiwan. At a Sichuan style restaurant here with a group of friends I was asked what I ate in Korea and I said that I was a huge fan of Korean food, and that is probably what I miss most about it now having left Seoul. My words were met with what seemed to me utter shock and disbelief around the table. It was almost like I had insulted their mothers.

One of my friends responded, “But in Korea all they eat is meat and kimchi! What is there about Korean food to like? They have no vegetables!” I tried to explain that there are many dishes in Korea that have a wonderful assortment of vegetables but my further defense of Korean cuisine only seemed to make things worse. We moved on to other topics.

Since then I have kept my ears open when it comes to the way people I have met respond to things related to Korea and sometimes I have come right out and asked, “What do you think about Korea?” or “What is your impression about Korea.” The results have been interesting. Three recent responses:

1. Taipei, pro-Blue female. “Koreans are so arrogant! You know they tried to register the Dragon Boat race with [some UN organization] as a Korean tradition that they invented?”

2. Kaohsiung, female. “I hate (討厭）Korea! I have interacted with many Korean women at international conferences and they are always talking. They are so loud and very rude.”

3. Kaohsiung, male pro-Green graduate student. Has studied Korean at university level. “I hate (討厭) Koreans! I knew many Koreans at university and they were so rude, arrogant, and obsessed with their pride. Koreans hate the Japanese. They are always trying to show how they are as good as the Chinese, and when it comes to the Taiwanese, they look down (看不起) on us.

Though they fortunately lack any rocky islets to fight over and no effigies are being burnt in street protests, I was really surprised at the really strong emotions evoked here in Taiwan. I never got “我不太喜歡” or other more moderate phrases. The sentiment was unusually direct. Of course, it is nowhere near the kinds of reactions I have seen among many young Chinese towards the Japanese (first encountering these powerful emotions in Beijing in 1997 was my first motivation to study Sino-Japanese relations and the contentious historical issues in the region). Korean sentiments against the Japanese seems, by contrast, a little more tame these days, though I may get this impression because I have been hanging out with a lot of more younger “pro-Japanese” treasonous types when I lived in Seoul.

One explanation might be a general clash of personality types. As some of the comments above hint at, the generally more relaxed and polite personality style I have found to be common on this island may simply clash a bit more with the sometimes more intense and aggressive style often found on the peninsula to the north. Obviously, I have seen plenty of exceptions to this on both sides.

Something I heard indirectly which may play is role was from a Taiwanese woman who I’m told said that though Korea and Taiwan were long lauded as two of Asia’s leading economic “tigers” some Taiwanese feel like they “lost” to the larger and more powerful Korea, thus leading to the development of a kind of insecurity complex when they find themselves compared to their more populous and culturally distinct rival.

There is no doubt that Korea has a certain degree of international visibility that Taiwan lacks. Asus does not quite have the brand power of Samsung or LG and Taiwan’s cross-straits crisis doesn’t have the benefit of an official axis of evil member next door. If my Korean friends complain that most Americans can’t find their country on a map (to be fair, we apparently can’t seem to find most places on a map, even after we invade them) then imagine the chances of them locating this little Formosan paradise. My Taiwanese friends who have a lot of international experience often refer to the frustration they feel at having to explain to everyone that they are from TaiWAN, not from ThaiLAND. Yes, they survived the tidal wave nicely, thank you (when I hear such complaints I’m reminded of my Korean friends who express their annoyance at being mistaken for Japanese when they travel, and sometimes revealing a more condescending discrimination when recounting their much greater horror at being mistaken as Chinese. As for myself, I have long since stopped caring if people introduce me as coming from Sweden or Finland, I just feel a bit sorry for Denmark, since it rarely gets offered as my homeland and, really, to be fair, the Danish kingdom did rule over Norway the longest).

Korea’s visibility extends to Taiwan as well. I see buses around Taipei plastered with huge advertisements for the latest Korean historical drama, and a Korean drama always seems to be playing on some channel or other here. Somebody must be watching them. This afternoon I ate Korean food in a food court in a Kaohsiung shopping mall, and Korean 泡菜 (kimchi) or the word 韓式 （Korean-style) is added as a prefix to many food items in many regular Chinese-style restaurants.

Of course, I don’t get the impression the “Korea” brand is anywhere close to the “Japan” brand here in Taiwan in terms of its power. Thousands of Japanese products are sold in stores around Taiwan with their Japanese packaging and labels fully intact. The word “Japan” or “Japanese Style” is printed in big fat or highlighted characters on signs for all manner of products (especially anything related to cosmetics, electronics, and very often for food related items) in a way reminiscent of products sold in the US with “NEW! IMPROVED!” attached. Maybe my memory is off, but I don’t seem to remember anywhere near this extent of explicit use of the Japan brand in Korea.

Of course, everyone knows that Taiwan is infamously pro-Japanese. Japanese men seem to believe they stand a better chance of finding love here in Taiwan than anywhere in Asia. The postwar experience of dictatorship, the 2/28 massacre, and the importance of the long Japanese colonial period to the claims of a distinct Taiwanese national identity all contribute to this. This weekend I was introduced to a somewhat inebriated Taiwanese doctor who was told that I was doing my dissertation on Chinese traitors (漢奸). He turned to me, somewhat perturbed, and proudly announced, almost toppling over as he straightened up, “我就是漢奸！” (I am myself a 漢奸！)

When it comes to Taiwanese sentiments towards Korea, if my very limited exchanges are at all suggestive of anything, the Korean brand power, food culture, and drama fandom seen here are not incompatible with a degree of emotional disdain. Even one of the women included in the comments above who expressed a hatred of Korea and especially Korean women also says that while she loves Japanese kimonos and culture of all kinds she doesn’t like the Japanese people themselves because they, “Are so polite to you all the time but who knows what they are thinking on the inside.” This deep dislike of a purported Japanese “two-facedness” is a familiar image. I remember an elderly neighbor of my parents in Oklahoma who, after decades of negotiations with Japanese chemical companies told me something along the lines of, “Them Japanese’d always lie to your face. ‘Yes’ never meant ‘yes,’ and ‘maybe’ always meant ‘no.’ And you’d never know when they might pull a Pearl Harbor on ya.” (His distrust wasn’t limited to the Japanese, however. He spent a lunch once trying to convince me that every evil of the 20th century could be blamed on the inherently demonic nature of the Englishman. I think he bore a very serious grudge against the English ever since he was arrested by an English MP in World War II when he was on shore leave in Gibraltar).

All being said, however, I was a bit surprised to find anything more than, at worst, indifference towards Korea. Instead, I might have expected a feeling of camaraderie for an economically successful and culturally rich counterpart that is similarly struggling to define itself in a challenging geopolitical environment dominated by its larger neighbors.

UPDATE: There was a surprising amount of interest in this posting but I feel my posting didn’t come across quite the way I wanted it to. I am not justifying any of the claims that I quote hear, nor do I think the feelings expressed by my informers were much more than the kinds of stereotypes we all engage in or somehow reflect some kind of genuine bubbling discontent here in Taiwan. On the contrary, of all places I have lived in East Asia, the people I have met here in Taiwan are the most cosmopolitan and open. That was precisely why the rare expressions of dislike for a particular group of people stood out such that it made me notice it and become curious since I expected the contrary to hold true among two places with much in common in their recent history and development.

http://muninn.net/blog/2008/07/anti-korean...-in-taiwan.html

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To summarize.. insecurity complex. We've seen it in the Japanese nationalists and now Taiwanese and Chinese nationalists. I've come to accept it now and as long as people can see it for what it is, I don't really care anymore.

So the referee's from the Philippines? So are the Taiwanese going to burn the Filipino flag now?

OMG, this is unacceptable. I am almost speechless. thanks for the info.

Koreans is known to be sore losers and uses underhand methods to ensure their fake victory in games.

Not to mentioned sports , it also happened in on-lines games competition too.

Just pure disgusting and low life.

So are you saying Koreans helped Chinese to win?
Besides Korean referees weren't even involved in this case.

not that I condone this, but I did hear that the reason why they're mad is because the Ref is actually ethnically korean, but he's from the phillipines.

go figure.

FERNANDEZ Stephen Estanislao is the only Filipino referee for that match and he doesn't look like Korean at all.

This is the referee that did the match.

http://www.gz2010.cn/info/ENG_ENG/ZB/ZBB10...ber=101835.html



He doesn't look anything remotely like a Korean. His last name also doesn't suggest any Korean heritage. All this only tells me one thing. It is that the Taiwanese on the net are lying again. They have that bad habit of spreading unsubstantiated rumors about Koreans whom they hate very much.

lol, cry more taiwan!

It is time for the Taiwanese to burn a new flag.... the Filipino flag!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9drPmoXTKE...feature=related

Good shot of the ref at 0:33. Doesn't look Korean at all. Definitely looks like Fernandez on the official website.

And some more moments of Fernandez here refing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Ht7l1Jdkg

Nope, definitely not Korean.

He's definitely not a Korean.

So where did this 洪性天, Filipino national of Korean ethnic come from?

I feel like I have been watching a mini series written by some Taiwanese drama queen who is a Korean hater, obviously.

One thing, it is very unusual for a Korean male to use "性" as his first name. Most of Korean male names use 성(星) or 성(城) for the same homonym. At least, I haven't seen it in real life.

why are they mad at the ref when the girl herself blame the Chinese examiner already....actually, if shes right, she should be mad. how can you be approved first and then magically be wearing illegal things during the match...

Taiwan is a sorry @$$ nation and does not deserve a gold medal in any sports.

WTF is wrong with them?

fu-k TAIWAN

I hope mainland Chinese will educate Taiwanese better in the future,
so that such a silly incident won't happen again