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Anouvong
I think all the problem of Thai and Lao issues are from inferiority complex of some Lao members here. Just look at few topics like Thai/Tai and Isaan.

Thai/Tai word is more famous than Lao. Everybody in this world know what Thai/Tai is but they don't have any clue what is Lao. So these Lao members do a shortcut by claiming the word TAI as their own. Even Lao themselves never called TAI. Only Central Thai people name themselves TAI. They feels inferior to Thai/Tai becuz Lao's existence must be referred to Thai/Tai, just look at their Thai Lao restaurants, Muay Thai Lao, or even identify themsleves in America as Thai not Lao. icon_smile.gif

Isaan, the northestern Thailand region, people in this region comprise of hybrid people of Thai, Chinese, Vietnamee, Khmer, Lao, Khmu, Kui, Mon, etc. Isaan to these Lao members are nothing but a toy to increase their current low ego. Like I mentioned, these Lao members have inferiority complex, to have Isaan people under their control is just make them feel bigger. LOL I bet you, if Isaan really was part of Laos right now. They wouldn't be anything but another groups of Lao bannork hillbilly to these Lao members. (You may not know that Lao from the north consider themselves as PURE Lao, and they think Lao in the South Laos and in Isaan are mixed blood, dark-skined, and speak fake and redneck Lao accent.) Do these Lao members really care Isaan like they always say in Thai and Lao chat? I guess not! All of these Thai-Lao problems are from their inferiority complex and the miserable life experience of their ancestors. That's it!

btw, Thai Isaan people are proud Thai, same like Lanna people. They have never had miserable war life like these Lao, becuz they live in Thailand, the greater Tai empire. Thanks for your concern of our Thai people. Buk Lao Americuns. beerchug.gif
BingBing888
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader2006/reader2473.htm


"THAI INFERIORITY COMPLEX"
Having lived and worked in Thailand for a number of years, I have formed the opinion that much of the Thai character is driven by a belief that, in general, Thai people as a whole suffer from what can be described as a national Inferiority Complex.

I think there is plenty of evidence in Thai society and culture to support my opinion, but first to define what I mean by an inferiority complex.

This inferiority complex is the tendency of a person to depreciate the worth of themselves in comparison with other people. It is to be unduly sensitive to criticism and thus to adopt a negative attitude towards others.

These characteristics clearly manifest themselves when Thais deal with non-Thais, and often when interacting with each other.

Some might disagree with this opinion, and in fact say that Thais in fact display a Superiority Complex when dealing with people and nations outside their geography and culture, but it is in fact a characteristic of the sufferer of an inferiority complex to over-compensate by bluffing and occasionally resorting to the overtly aggressive. More of this later.

Consider the symptoms and see if the patient does have the condition I describe.

Thais may have real reason to feel inferior to farangs. Physically, Thais are smaller, weaker, suffer more ill-health and have a much shorter life span than the average Westerner. In sports, Thais are unable to compete at an international level except in sports where there are artificial limits imposed, such as in boxing and weight-lifting where Thais can compete against similarly sized opponents. We should not expect to see a Thai world heavyweight boxing champion or an Olympic 100 metre gold runner anytime soon. However, it is true that improvements in health education and increasing GDP is bringing about a taller and stronger young generation. The tennis ace, Paradon, may just well be the start of a new future, but it is the future and not the current nor historical norm..

When farangs enter Thailand they are seen by the average Thai as being superior in physical terms. Many Thais have commented to me on the strength of elderly foreign tourists making an extremely long and arduous plane journey and then walking in the daytime heat and humidity around the various cultural and leisure attractions of the country. At an age when an equivalent Thai would have withdrawn to the village and rarely venturing far from the house, his or her Western peers are still actively engaged in social, public activity. Take a walk around the department stores, ride the river boats, or visit upcountry on an overnight bus and you will see that the average age of the people you meet is quite young indeed, especially if you were to perform the same activities in Farangland. In Thailand, older people are often used to baby-sit the house and/or children.

Notwithstanding how many of Stickman readers prefer the beauty of a Thai girl, the Thais themselves much prefer the farang look. Children are admired for the whiteness of their skin colour; actors, actresses and models are likewise required to be light-skinned. Advertisements and cultural stereotyping reinforce the opinion that the ‘foreign’ look, is more beautiful and desirable than the Thai look.

Thais also feel intellectually inferior to foreigners. For a start, few Thais speak a language other than their own, and those that do will speak it at a very low level. Neighbouring countries such as Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong all speak English to a very high international level. Even in countries such as Burma and Cambodia, I have met ordinary working people whose foreign language skills far outstrip those of the middle-class Thais I live and work with.

The ability to speak a foreign language has little impact on a low class Thai, such as a farmer or up country taxi driver, but from middle class Bangkok Thais up through the higher levels of Thai society there is an awareness that foreign language skills in Thailand are very poor when compared with their peers in other countries. And as Thais increasingly travel overseas for business or leisure this comparison reinforces the inferiority complex.

Another symptom of an inferiority complex is the sacrifice of principle to gain acceptance. In other words, the truth or the right way of behaviour can be ignored if it causes discomfort or upsets the status quo. Just about anybody who has spent time in Thailand will have a pocketful of anecdotes to confirm that this is the situation in the country. Stickman has literally hundreds of submissions from Western gentlemen who have come up against Thai untruthfulness and amoral behaviour in order to avoid unpleasant situations from arising. So much has already been written on the subject that it does not require repeating here.

Linked with this condition is the denial of reality and the separation of motives that is present in persons having an inferiority complex. By this, I mean that a Thai will quite willingly tell you something that is opposite to known facts, even when both you and they have full knowledge of the facts. Your Thai girlfriend will tell you what ever she thinks you want to hear, and she will quite easily be able to justify and rationalise in her own mind this separation of the reality to what she is saying or doing.

A person with an inferiority complex will not take kindly to having this distortion or denial of reality pointed out to them. They consider it a personal injustice and will internalise the blame rather than attempt to argue the veracity of their statements or actions. For a Thai this is evident in the sullenness or withdrawal that they experience when faced with a challenge to their statements or actions by the undeniable evidence of the truth. Your girlfriend will pout, and depending on the depth of her feelings may not speak to you for days on end.

Occasionally, inferiority complexes manifest themselves not as a withdrawal, but as a rebellion against correction, maybe even violent confrontation. The Thai waiter may take months of abuse from his customers and then one day walk into his restaurant and at random fire off a loaded gun. Thai police and immigration officers, people apparently trained to deal with stressful situations, are notoriously likely to take this course of action when they just can no longer internalise the sense of personal injustice that a westerner is usually better equipped to handle. Two weeks ago, a department store security guard shot dead a customer who jumped the bank queue. He didn’t do it because he was a bully, he did it because he could no longer stand her bullying and was unable to rationalise his feelings.



Many Stickmanites will have experienced a mean-spiritedness which is out of keeping with the well-known Thai qualities of grace, calmness, and service. This meanness is not expressed in the lobbies of Thailand’s luxurious five-star hotels, but it will be found at the immigration counters on the country’s borders by the visa runner. It will be found by the backpacker who is accused by a policemen of dropping a cigarette end. And it will be felt by those whose funds have suddenly dried up. It is typical of those with a sense of inferiority to be outwardly subservient to those deemed superior while overcompensating by being rude, unfair, and spiteful to those deemed inferior.

It is not just the poor or under-dressed farang who will receive this mean treatment. Witness the demeanour of the hi-so to shop assistants, drivers, and maids as evidence.

There are two other symptoms of an inferiority complex that I believe are present in Thai people.

Firstly, those who feel inferior often do not grasp the big picture of things. They tend to have excessive attention to the little things. Form is more important than content. So for example, you might give somebody a gift, but the wrapping and packaging has to be immaculate, otherwise the recipient may not appreciate your generosity. You may wish to make merit at a temple, but merely putting money into a box or writing out a cheque is insufficient. It has to be accompanied by a big show with many witnesses. A whole ceremony has to be built around the act of giving. You may buy a new house, but it is not enough to invite the new neighbours around for a glass of white wine. There has to be in attendance nine monks for good luck, who will perform a set of rituals that will determine whether or not the new house owner will have good luck or not. These examples are not the actions of a well-rounded person confident in his or her own abilities to succeed in life. It is like the beautifully painted, yet deceptive facades on a Hollywood movie set, there is nothing of substance behind it.

The final symptom of an inferiority complex that I wish to mention is an overly dutiful sense of obedience. I have left this example to last because I believe it goes to the very heart of Thai society and culture.

From the moment a child is born in Thailand it is placed on a ladder of inferiors and superiors. Whether the baby is born to a rice farmer in Isaan or within the highest levels of Thai society it will have its own unique place which cannot be occupied by another. From the very earliest age the child will be taught its position in relation to others. And at the outset it will learn that, in most cases, it is at the bottom of the heap. In other words this person is the most inferior person of all; everybody else is ‘phi’. And this feeling is among the first feelings of awareness as a person that a Thai will know.

The Thai will grow older and will eventually be addressed as ‘phi’ by other Thais. But he or she will always be aware that he or she will remain a ‘nong’ forever, unless living to a very old age and outlasting contemporaries; or by becoming a monk and thus side-stepping the issue for a time. Even joining the monkshood, he will still have other monks superior in status, so the sense of inferiority is unlikely ever to leave him.

Equally for women, even though Thailand is socially enlightened compared to many of its neighbours, in that opportunities in education and careers are available, a woman usually defers to her husband’s wishes, especially in a public or extended family situation..

Thai society is not conducive to individualism, diversity of opinions or promotion of new ideas. These characteristics are more likely to be found in more well-balanced societies, or cultures that display the characteristics of a superiority complex.

Without getting into the current political situation in Thailand, if ever there was a lesson for the average Thai to learn that you shouldn’t rock the boat it is illustrative that a small personal spat between the Prime Minister and a former buddy can develop into a national political crisis.

Yet by promoting a sense of community, obedience, and tradition, a Thai is far more likely to have a sense of inferiority re-enforced within his or her own identity. When this identity is compared with his or her peers, especially if this comparison is done against the Western culture then I believe that an inferiority complex will develop at a national level.

Thais will become physically stronger as economic progress continues. It will take a great effort, however, to raise the intellectual and artistic levels within the country. Although this will happen in most open societies that experience economic surpluses, there may not be the political will to improve those levels to any great degree. In the past an industrious and compliant workforce was necessary to produce cheap agricultural and manufactured goods to drive the export boom. That role may be overtaken by the Chinese which would require the Thais to move up the value-added ladder or into niche markets. This would require better education and an inquisitive spirit which would improve intellectual levels as a by-product, but at this moment in time there seems to be very little government activity geared towards these ends.




As far as social and cultural factors are concerned, I see very little possibility of these changing significantly. Even Bangkok Thais still feel strong affinity with their hometown upcountry where traditional values have strong roots. Culture is intertwined with religion, in a way barely witnessed in the majority of Western countries today. Social economics, with the presence of owner-managers in even the largest of Thai businesses, still favour a small elite controlling a compliant majority.

In conclusion, I believe Thais exhibit the characteristics of an inferiority complex, which is also expressed at a national level. I believe that this complex is so deeply ingrained into the personality of the individual and in the culture of the country that it is likely to continue with little change for many years to come.
Anouvong
Buggaew Bingbong, I expect you did better than just copy and paste. embarassedlaugh.gif
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 10:11 PM) *
Buggaew Bingbong, I expect you did better than just copy and paste. embarassedlaugh.gif


Did you read what they have to say about Thai inferiority complex? Very intersting isn't it? embarassedlaugh.gif Buk Thai KeeKway! embarassedlaugh.gif
Anouvong
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 10 2010, 11:13 PM) *
Did you read what they have to say about Thai inferiority complex? Very intersting isn't it? embarassedlaugh.gif Buk Thai KeeKway! embarassedlaugh.gif


You can make a new threat about Thai issue. But this thread is my analysis about you guys who tend to have serious mentality problems. embarassedlaugh.gif

Bingbong, as I remembered you are the one who are gone crazy when Thai people call you Lao. Do you think you have inferiority complex to the Thai?
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 10:19 PM) *
You can make a new threat about Thai issue. But this thread is my analysis about you guys who tend to have serious mentality problems. embarassedlaugh.gif

Bingbong, as I remembered you are the one who are gone crazy when Thai people call you Lao. Do you think you have inferiority complex to the Thai?

I think We were having a conversation about Thai using "Lao" as a slang to oppress our names and our pride. Just like how Dew Arisara explained about her used as a negative language in Thai society. I'm just telling you and others the truth that Thai still have inferior issue with us Lao people as a whole because of there parents mis-behavior towards Lao people during there time. And now Thai today are doing what their parents did during the younger days of their time back then all over again. icon_smile.gif It seem Thai haven't learn anything in our time.
Anouvong
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 10 2010, 11:23 PM) *
I think We were having a conversation about Thai using "Lao" as a slang to oppress our names and our pride. Just like how Dew Arisara explained about her used as a negative language in Thai society. I'm just telling you and others the truth that Thai still have inferior issue with us Lao people as a whole because of there parents mis-behavior towards Lao people during there time. And now Thai today are doing what their parents did during the younger days of their time back then all over again. icon_smile.gif It seem Thai haven't learn anything in our time.


So you do feel inferior when we call you Lao? That's interesting. icon_smile.gif
SabaiSabai
from what I gather from reading that article is that the guy is an old farang who has/had Thai girlfriends who have cheated him. He is bitter about how thai people have treated him because he could not integrate into thai society (the need for middle class Thai people to speak english at an international level WITHIN Thailand is for what? to talk with tourists? lol) I think I wrote a post about this somewhere else in the thread on what thai people think about Farangs.

This my friends, is another good example of a Westerner who could not integrate himself wihtin Thai society and has become a bitter old man icon_smile.gif
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 10:29 PM) *
So you do feel inferior when we call you Lao? That's interesting. icon_smile.gif


Actually No!. Makes me feel stronger and proud about my pride and about how a Thai like yourself feels so inferior towards us. We feel that it is our best interest to learn and understand why Thai like you have such a hate on all Lao people in general. And how Thai people who is becoming so rationally stress by blaming Lao for everything Thai cause.
BingBing888
QUOTE (SabaiSabai @ Dec 10 2010, 10:31 PM) *
from what I gather from reading that article is that the guy is an old farang who has/had Thai girlfriends who have cheated him. He is bitter about how thai people have treated him because he could not integrate into thai society (the need for middle class Thai people to speak english at an international level WITHIN Thailand is for what? to talk with tourists? lol) I think I wrote a post about this somewhere else in the thread on what thai people think about Farangs.

This my friends, is another good example of a Westerner who could not integrate himself wihtin Thai society and has become a bitter old man icon_smile.gif


At least he knows some of the issue on how others can seek and awknowlege for those old fat retire falang to go to Thailand for some illegal sex. But then again, Thailand still support such exploit as a part of Thai culture. So prositution in Thailand is illegal, but Thai don't called it prosititute. But is apart of Thailand cutlure to be a prostitute. beerchug.gif
Anouvong
Thais feel inferior to farangs? what a joke. I think that farang must wrongly interpret the friendly hospitality of Thai people as inferiority. LOL Thais never been under any farang colonial power so we never have any slavery mind to any farang. It must be the Lao who feel inferior to farang cuz they were once a Farang kheekha. icon_smile.gif
Anouvong
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 10 2010, 11:39 PM) *
Actually No!. Makes me feel stronger and proud about my pride and about how a Thai like yourself feels so inferior towards us. We feel that it is our best interest to learn and understand why Thai like you have such a hate on all Lao people in general. And how Thai people who is becoming so rationally stress by blaming Lao for everything Thai cause.


Then what's your problem if we use the word lao as a slang, it doesn't mean Lao people at all? confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 10:46 PM) *
Thais feel inferior to farangs? what a joke. I think that farang must wrongly interpret the friendly hospitality of Thai people as inferiority. LOL Thais never been under any farang colonial power so we never have any slavery mind to any farang. It must be the Lao who feel inferior to farang cuz they were once a Farang kheekha. icon_smile.gif


Didn't the Siamese enslaved the Lao people from Viengchan to build Siam kingdom and canals? Which in fact why Thai today feels that they lost Laos for that reason?
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 10:54 PM) *
Then what's your problem if you use the word lao as a slang, it doesn't mean Lao people at all? confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif


Yes it does mean Lao! It all started because Thais looked down on Issan people and Lao people from Laos who fled from a war torn country. That's how the Thai came up with such slang to interpret a bad element towards people that act or look like us. And that Lao slang is still supported by you and Thai people.


Even Dew Arisara is an example of that Thai inferior issue towards Lao people with no reason to direct at any who. Even you are Lao hater from what we all been reading so far.
Anouvong
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 11 2010, 12:02 AM) *
Yes it does mean Lao! It all started because Thais looked down on Issan people and Lao people from Laos who fled from a war torn country. That's how the Thai came up with such slang to interpret a bad element towards people that act or look like us. And that Lao slang is still supported by you and Thai people.


Even Dew Arisara is an example of that Thai inferior issue towards Lao people with no reason to direct at any who. Even you are Lao hater from what we all been reading so far.


Are you confused? That's really funny. The word 'Lao' is not derogatory. The word 'lao' is a slang means something like clumsy even my friends use it to me. LOL It's noting to do with LAO people. embarassedlaugh.gif

I think you do feel inferior so you get offended when we use the word 'lao' as a slang.
MFofLanxan
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 10 2010, 11:08 PM) *
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader2006/reader2473.htm


"THAI INFERIORITY COMPLEX"
Having lived and worked in Thailand for a number of years, I have formed the opinion that much of the Thai character is driven by a belief that, in general, Thai people as a whole suffer from what can be described as a national Inferiority Complex.

I think there is plenty of evidence in Thai society and culture to support my opinion, but first to define what I mean by an inferiority complex.

This inferiority complex is the tendency of a person to depreciate the worth of themselves in comparison with other people. It is to be unduly sensitive to criticism and thus to adopt a negative attitude towards others.

These characteristics clearly manifest themselves when Thais deal with non-Thais, and often when interacting with each other.

Some might disagree with this opinion, and in fact say that Thais in fact display a Superiority Complex when dealing with people and nations outside their geography and culture, but it is in fact a characteristic of the sufferer of an inferiority complex to over-compensate by bluffing and occasionally resorting to the overtly aggressive. More of this later.

Consider the symptoms and see if the patient does have the condition I describe.

Thais may have real reason to feel inferior to farangs. Physically, Thais are smaller, weaker, suffer more ill-health and have a much shorter life span than the average Westerner. In sports, Thais are unable to compete at an international level except in sports where there are artificial limits imposed, such as in boxing and weight-lifting where Thais can compete against similarly sized opponents. We should not expect to see a Thai world heavyweight boxing champion or an Olympic 100 metre gold runner anytime soon. However, it is true that improvements in health education and increasing GDP is bringing about a taller and stronger young generation. The tennis ace, Paradon, may just well be the start of a new future, but it is the future and not the current nor historical norm..

When farangs enter Thailand they are seen by the average Thai as being superior in physical terms. Many Thais have commented to me on the strength of elderly foreign tourists making an extremely long and arduous plane journey and then walking in the daytime heat and humidity around the various cultural and leisure attractions of the country. At an age when an equivalent Thai would have withdrawn to the village and rarely venturing far from the house, his or her Western peers are still actively engaged in social, public activity. Take a walk around the department stores, ride the river boats, or visit upcountry on an overnight bus and you will see that the average age of the people you meet is quite young indeed, especially if you were to perform the same activities in Farangland. In Thailand, older people are often used to baby-sit the house and/or children.

Notwithstanding how many of Stickman readers prefer the beauty of a Thai girl, the Thais themselves much prefer the farang look. Children are admired for the whiteness of their skin colour; actors, actresses and models are likewise required to be light-skinned. Advertisements and cultural stereotyping reinforce the opinion that the ‘foreign’ look, is more beautiful and desirable than the Thai look.

Thais also feel intellectually inferior to foreigners. For a start, few Thais speak a language other than their own, and those that do will speak it at a very low level. Neighbouring countries such as Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong all speak English to a very high international level. Even in countries such as Burma and Cambodia, I have met ordinary working people whose foreign language skills far outstrip those of the middle-class Thais I live and work with.

The ability to speak a foreign language has little impact on a low class Thai, such as a farmer or up country taxi driver, but from middle class Bangkok Thais up through the higher levels of Thai society there is an awareness that foreign language skills in Thailand are very poor when compared with their peers in other countries. And as Thais increasingly travel overseas for business or leisure this comparison reinforces the inferiority complex.

Another symptom of an inferiority complex is the sacrifice of principle to gain acceptance. In other words, the truth or the right way of behaviour can be ignored if it causes discomfort or upsets the status quo. Just about anybody who has spent time in Thailand will have a pocketful of anecdotes to confirm that this is the situation in the country. Stickman has literally hundreds of submissions from Western gentlemen who have come up against Thai untruthfulness and amoral behaviour in order to avoid unpleasant situations from arising. So much has already been written on the subject that it does not require repeating here.

Linked with this condition is the denial of reality and the separation of motives that is present in persons having an inferiority complex. By this, I mean that a Thai will quite willingly tell you something that is opposite to known facts, even when both you and they have full knowledge of the facts. Your Thai girlfriend will tell you what ever she thinks you want to hear, and she will quite easily be able to justify and rationalise in her own mind this separation of the reality to what she is saying or doing.

A person with an inferiority complex will not take kindly to having this distortion or denial of reality pointed out to them. They consider it a personal injustice and will internalise the blame rather than attempt to argue the veracity of their statements or actions. For a Thai this is evident in the sullenness or withdrawal that they experience when faced with a challenge to their statements or actions by the undeniable evidence of the truth. Your girlfriend will pout, and depending on the depth of her feelings may not speak to you for days on end.

Occasionally, inferiority complexes manifest themselves not as a withdrawal, but as a rebellion against correction, maybe even violent confrontation. The Thai waiter may take months of abuse from his customers and then one day walk into his restaurant and at random fire off a loaded gun. Thai police and immigration officers, people apparently trained to deal with stressful situations, are notoriously likely to take this course of action when they just can no longer internalise the sense of personal injustice that a westerner is usually better equipped to handle. Two weeks ago, a department store security guard shot dead a customer who jumped the bank queue. He didn’t do it because he was a bully, he did it because he could no longer stand her bullying and was unable to rationalise his feelings.



Many Stickmanites will have experienced a mean-spiritedness which is out of keeping with the well-known Thai qualities of grace, calmness, and service. This meanness is not expressed in the lobbies of Thailand’s luxurious five-star hotels, but it will be found at the immigration counters on the country’s borders by the visa runner. It will be found by the backpacker who is accused by a policemen of dropping a cigarette end. And it will be felt by those whose funds have suddenly dried up. It is typical of those with a sense of inferiority to be outwardly subservient to those deemed superior while overcompensating by being rude, unfair, and spiteful to those deemed inferior.

It is not just the poor or under-dressed farang who will receive this mean treatment. Witness the demeanour of the hi-so to shop assistants, drivers, and maids as evidence.

There are two other symptoms of an inferiority complex that I believe are present in Thai people.

Firstly, those who feel inferior often do not grasp the big picture of things. They tend to have excessive attention to the little things. Form is more important than content. So for example, you might give somebody a gift, but the wrapping and packaging has to be immaculate, otherwise the recipient may not appreciate your generosity. You may wish to make merit at a temple, but merely putting money into a box or writing out a cheque is insufficient. It has to be accompanied by a big show with many witnesses. A whole ceremony has to be built around the act of giving. You may buy a new house, but it is not enough to invite the new neighbours around for a glass of white wine. There has to be in attendance nine monks for good luck, who will perform a set of rituals that will determine whether or not the new house owner will have good luck or not. These examples are not the actions of a well-rounded person confident in his or her own abilities to succeed in life. It is like the beautifully painted, yet deceptive facades on a Hollywood movie set, there is nothing of substance behind it.

The final symptom of an inferiority complex that I wish to mention is an overly dutiful sense of obedience. I have left this example to last because I believe it goes to the very heart of Thai society and culture.

From the moment a child is born in Thailand it is placed on a ladder of inferiors and superiors. Whether the baby is born to a rice farmer in Isaan or within the highest levels of Thai society it will have its own unique place which cannot be occupied by another. From the very earliest age the child will be taught its position in relation to others. And at the outset it will learn that, in most cases, it is at the bottom of the heap. In other words this person is the most inferior person of all; everybody else is ‘phi’. And this feeling is among the first feelings of awareness as a person that a Thai will know.

The Thai will grow older and will eventually be addressed as ‘phi’ by other Thais. But he or she will always be aware that he or she will remain a ‘nong’ forever, unless living to a very old age and outlasting contemporaries; or by becoming a monk and thus side-stepping the issue for a time. Even joining the monkshood, he will still have other monks superior in status, so the sense of inferiority is unlikely ever to leave him.

Equally for women, even though Thailand is socially enlightened compared to many of its neighbours, in that opportunities in education and careers are available, a woman usually defers to her husband’s wishes, especially in a public or extended family situation..

Thai society is not conducive to individualism, diversity of opinions or promotion of new ideas. These characteristics are more likely to be found in more well-balanced societies, or cultures that display the characteristics of a superiority complex.

Without getting into the current political situation in Thailand, if ever there was a lesson for the average Thai to learn that you shouldn’t rock the boat it is illustrative that a small personal spat between the Prime Minister and a former buddy can develop into a national political crisis.

Yet by promoting a sense of community, obedience, and tradition, a Thai is far more likely to have a sense of inferiority re-enforced within his or her own identity. When this identity is compared with his or her peers, especially if this comparison is done against the Western culture then I believe that an inferiority complex will develop at a national level.

Thais will become physically stronger as economic progress continues. It will take a great effort, however, to raise the intellectual and artistic levels within the country. Although this will happen in most open societies that experience economic surpluses, there may not be the political will to improve those levels to any great degree. In the past an industrious and compliant workforce was necessary to produce cheap agricultural and manufactured goods to drive the export boom. That role may be overtaken by the Chinese which would require the Thais to move up the value-added ladder or into niche markets. This would require better education and an inquisitive spirit which would improve intellectual levels as a by-product, but at this moment in time there seems to be very little government activity geared towards these ends.




As far as social and cultural factors are concerned, I see very little possibility of these changing significantly. Even Bangkok Thais still feel strong affinity with their hometown upcountry where traditional values have strong roots. Culture is intertwined with religion, in a way barely witnessed in the majority of Western countries today. Social economics, with the presence of owner-managers in even the largest of Thai businesses, still favour a small elite controlling a compliant majority.

In conclusion, I believe Thais exhibit the characteristics of an inferiority complex, which is also expressed at a national level. I believe that this complex is so deeply ingrained into the personality of the individual and in the culture of the country that it is likely to continue with little change for many years to come.


shut up b!tch !!! I just watch news bout Thai PM visiting Laos last night, ur commie daddy asked us to help paying for renovation of roads to n around ur international airport. embarassedlaugh.gif Should I send all bull$hit works of yours to his office and tell him not pay a stang ???? bawling.gif Dat's my tax money too, at least be thankful to Thais for helping out so many things for Laotian Nerakhun b!tch !! kiss.gif
Anouvong
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 10 2010, 11:56 PM) *
Didn't the Siamese enslaved the Lao people from Viengchan to build Siam kingdom and canals? Which in fact why Thai today feels that they lost Laos for that reason?


I don't get your point. We feel we lost Laos (region) cuz Laos was a part of our Siam/Thailand nation. so what's next?
Anouvong
QUOTE (MFofLanxan @ Dec 11 2010, 12:18 AM) *
shut up b!tch !!! I just watch news bout Thai PM visiting Laos last night, ur commie daddy asked us to help paying for renovation of roads to n around ur international airport. embarassedlaugh.gif Should I send all bull$hit works of yours to his office and tell him not pay a stang ???? bawling.gif Dat's my tax money too, at least be thankful to Thais for helping out so many things for Laotian Nerakhun b!tch !! kiss.gif


These Lao Americuns are so much nerakhun, their parents never teach them the word 'Gratefulness' but 'Hatred' to the Thai people. icon_smile.gif
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 11:17 PM) *
Are you confused? That's really funny. The word 'Lao' is not derogatory. The word 'lao' is a slang means something like clumsy even my friends use it to me. LOL It's noting to do with LAO people. embarassedlaugh.gif

I think you do feel inferior so you get offended when we use the word 'lao' as a slang.


Yes I feel offended because it is directed at Lao people in general. And how the name came about was intentional by the Thai in general to refered at Lao people negatively.
BingBing888
QUOTE (MFofLanxan @ Dec 10 2010, 11:18 PM) *
shut up b!tch !!! I just watch news bout Thai PM visiting Laos last night, ur commie daddy asked us to help paying for renovation of roads to n around ur international airport. embarassedlaugh.gif Should I send all bull$hit works of yours to his office and tell him not pay a stang ???? bawling.gif Dat's my tax money too, at least be thankful to Thais for helping out so many things for Laotian Nerakhun b!tch !! kiss.gif

Don't you know? We are just trying to give Thailand a chance to understand the Lao people. But in this case, we haven't seen any progress yet. It is your people decision if you want to help us or not. We can always find other allies and friends to help us instead. Also, our asking is the reason fo the Issan Thai people to help thier future and future development for both region in that area. Nothing more or special about asking for that. Khao jai mai? embarassedlaugh.gif
Anouvong
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 11 2010, 12:23 AM) *
Yes I feel offended because it is directed at Lao people in general. And how the name came about was intentional by the Thai in general to refered at Lao people negatively.


Why?! If I were you I wouldn't feel anything. Like you once said you also use the word Thai for degrading Thai people. But we just don't care $hit! embarassedlaugh.gif

Be proud of yourselves ok? get rid of the slavery mind. icon_smile.gif
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 11:20 PM) *
I don't get your point. We feel we lost Laos (region) cuz Laos was a part of our Siam/Thailand nation. so what's next?


Thai feels inferior towards Lao because they lost touch and sense of Laos people and a country they used to occupy in the past. Am I right? icon_smile.gif
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 11:28 PM) *
Why?! If I were you I wouldn't feel anything. Like you once said you also use the word Thai for degrading Thai people. But we just don't care $hit! embarassedlaugh.gif

Be proud of yourselves ok? get rid of the slavery mind. icon_smile.gif


That's just apart of many reason I have. I personally met a Thai and they weren't so nice towards Lao people, even tho that Thai thought I was one of them in the crowd.




I called that Thai two face hypercrite just like you and Sawan on AF. icon_smile.gif
Anouvong
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 11 2010, 12:29 AM) *
Thai feels inferior towards Lao because they lost touch and sense of Laos people and a country they used to occupy in the past. Am I right? icon_smile.gif


I think the other way around. icon_smile.gif

Lao feels inferior towards Thai because they lost touch and sense of the bigger Tai family people and a country they used to live in the past. beerchug.gif
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 11:33 PM) *
I think the other way around. icon_smile.gif

Lao feels inferior towards Thai because they lost touch and sense of the bigger Tai family people and a country they used to live in the past. beerchug.gif


But how can that be??? I don't feel that way or others. embarassedlaugh.gif We feel that it is our duty to be independence and to unify our people once again. Laos has open its doors and now we shall bring our education and knowlege back to our motherland. And also, bring back our nationalism and pride into our country. In the next 20 years Laos will soon forget about Thailand and its dependance. The future is IndoChina and China economic boom to favored towards not Thai any more. That's the final goals for the Lao people and my future grand kids. beerchug.gif

I say boycott all Thai product! beerchug.gif
Anouvong
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 11 2010, 12:31 AM) *
That's just apart of many reason I have. I personally met a Thai and they weren't so nice towards Lao people, even tho that Thai thought I was one of them in the crowd.




I called that Thai two face hypercrite just like you and Sawan on AF. icon_smile.gif


That's the point. Becuz Thais live in the biggest Tai family nation. You speak like Thai Isaan people so many Thais feel you are relatives. But you Laotard members here are really BS, bad mouth against Thai people. You hurt many Thais' feeling here. It's becuz you are whitewashed or you are just a typical American @$$hole not a real Lao at all. beerchug.gif
BingBing888
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 11:38 PM) *
That's the point. Becuz Thais live in the biggest Tai family nation. You speak like Thai Isaan people so many Thais feel you are relatives. But you Laotard members here are really BS, bad mouth against Thai people. You hurt many Thais' feeling here. It's becuz of you are whitewashed or you are just a typical American @$$hole not a real Lao at all. beerchug.gif


When we talk about Thai. We met for the population of those in Bangkok. Since most problem that Thai has against Lao are from Bangkok itself. Issan is excluded from our thought and Lanna aswell. beerchug.gif
meji2010
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 11 2010, 11:43 AM) *
When we talk about Thai. We met for the population of those in Bangkok. Since most problem that Thai has against Lao are from Bangkok itself. Issan is excluded from our thought and Lanna aswell. beerchug.gif

กรูหล่ะเบื่อเมิง จริงๆ คนกรุงเทพ คนอิสาน คนล้านนา อะไรของเมิงพวกกรูเป็นคนไทย กรูหล่ะรำคาญ
BingBing888
QUOTE (meji2010 @ Dec 10 2010, 11:49 PM) *
กรูหล่ะเบื่อเมิง จริงๆ คนกรุงเทพ คนอิสาน คนล้านนา อะไรของเมิงพวกกรูเป็นคนไทย กรูหล่ะรำคาญ

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meji2010
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 11 2010, 12:02 PM) *
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ไอ้โง่ embarassedlaugh.gif
SabaiSabai
translates as

"im really so sick and tired of you. Bangkok people, Issan people, Lanna people, what is with you?!?!?! we are Thai people. Im so "dancing on rafters!! lol jk" sick of it/annoyed.
BingBing888
QUOTE (SabaiSabai @ Dec 11 2010, 12:32 AM) *
translates as

"im really so sick and tired of you. Bangkok people, Issan people, Lanna people, what is with you?!?!?! we are Thai people. Im so "dancing on rafters!! lol jk" sick of it/annoyed.


Oh! Ok now at least I understand what that person trying to say. embarassedlaugh.gif Thanks for the translate.
SabaiSabai
QUOTE (BingBing888 @ Dec 11 2010, 04:37 AM) *
But how can that be??? I don't feel that way or others. embarassedlaugh.gif We feel that it is our duty to be independence and to unify our people once again. Laos has open its doors and now we shall bring our education and knowlege back to our motherland. And also, bring back our nationalism and pride into our country. In the next 20 years Laos will soon forget about Thailand and its dependance. The future is IndoChina and China economic boom to favored towards not Thai any more. That's the final goals for the Lao people and my future grand kids. beerchug.gif

I say boycott all Thai product! beerchug.gif



lol my friend, that is only a pipe dream. Laos nationalism and pride did not really exist untill the French came and provoked it. We used to be one people before that biggrin.gif would be beneficial to Laos if we become one nation once again icon_smile.gif if there were ever a boycot of Thai products in Laos, Laos economy will collapse o.O bad for the folks that still struggle to live there. Its not like the government will be handing out benefits or welfare.

The english make fun of the Irish for being backwards. The Irish don't really much like the english. Northern Ireland are Irish people loyal to England.

Thai make fun of Laos people for being backwards. Laos don't really much like thai people (well the ones on AF anyway). Issan is Laos people loyal to Thailand.

same $hit, different setting.
BingBing888
QUOTE (SabaiSabai @ Dec 11 2010, 12:40 AM) *
lol my friend, that is only a pipe dream. Laos nationalism and pride did not really exist untill the French came and provoked it. We used to be one people before that biggrin.gif would be beneficial to Laos if we become one nation once again icon_smile.gif if there were ever a boycot of Thai products in Laos, Laos economy will collapse o.O bad for the folks that still struggle to live there. Its not like the government will be handing out benefits or welfare.

The english make fun of the Irish for being backwards. The Irish don't really much like the english. Northern Ireland are Irish people loyal to England.

Thai make fun of Laos people for being backwards. Laos don't really much like thai people (well the ones on AF anyway). Issan is Laos people loyal to Thailand.

same $hit, different setting.



Its not the same $hit. Its a different situation and how it become what is is in that environment. Don't try to make it seem so easy. And why would you think Laos would collapese when it has other to seek?

You are seeing Laos now. But what about Laos in the next 20 years? I don't think the Lao people going to just relied on Thai product for our daily lives. Laos will have other country to contribute with beside Thai product. And even that! Laos may soon produce thier own product instead of relying on Thailand for most of its needs in the future.
sawan
QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 10:59 PM) *
I think all the problem of Thai and Lao issues are from inferiority complex of some Lao members here. Just look at few topics like Thai/Tai and Isaan.

Thai/Tai word is more famous than Lao. Everybody in this world know what Thai/Tai is but they don't have any clue what is Lao. So these Lao members do a shortcut by claiming the word TAI as their own. Even Lao themselves never called TAI. Only Central Thai people name themselves TAI. They feels inferior to Thai/Tai becuz Lao's existence must be referred to Thai/Tai, just look at their Thai Lao restaurants, Muay Thai Lao, or even identify themsleves in America as Thai not Lao. icon_smile.gif


I have no doubt about this part. It's the only way to explain their thinking when they tried to say that "Thai" is not "Tai". I can't think of any other better way to explain it.

Lao people never associated themselve with the word "Tai", they've been calling siamese "Tai/Thai" and calling themselve "Lao"

But now it's 21st century, the word Thai/Tai become something in this world and suddenly we started to hear these Yankee trying to be "Tai"

I can't explain it better than this.

But I welcome any other theory. icon_smile.gif


QUOTE (Anouvong @ Dec 10 2010, 10:59 PM) *
Isaan, the northestern Thailand region, people in this region comprise of hybrid people of Thai, Chinese, Vietnamee, Khmer, Lao, Khmu, Kui, Mon, etc. Isaan to these Lao members are nothing but a toy to increase their current low ego. Like I mentioned, these Lao members have inferiority complex, to have Isaan people under their control is just make them feel bigger. LOL I bet you, if Isaan really was part of Laos right now. They wouldn't be anything but another groups of Lao bannork hillbilly to these Lao members. (You may not know that Lao from the north consider themselves as PURE Lao, and they think Lao in the South Laos and in Isaan are mixed blood, dark-skined, and speak fake and redneck Lao accent.) Do these Lao members really care Isaan like they always say in Thai and Lao chat? I guess not! All of these Thai-Lao problems are from their inferiority complex and the miserable life experience of their ancestors. That's it!


But for this part, I am really lost.

For many decades, I heard Lao people trying to claim that Isaan people are Lao.

But just recently, I started to hear Yankee Lao in AF denying that Isaan people has nothing to do with their pure Lao blood.

I just can't explain such reaction of these yankees.
Your theory above is one explanation but I think there must be some other reason.

Is it possible that some of them found Isaan accent which is true Lao accent not as what they want Lao to be?

In their imagination, Lao should speak like Lanna. They admire Lanna for their beautiful culture.

So, they start to keep themselve a distant from Isaan people and bind themselve to Lanna people who is far away.

Is this related? I don't know. I need to observe Savan and friends more than this before I can come to the conclusion.

Meanwhile, you may try to purpose other theory to explain it.

This issue is very interesting and need to be investigated. icon_smile.gif
Buddhalove
Pretty much sum up of thai inferior complex. I agree. beerchug.gif

Thai inferiority complex is the tendency of a person to depreciate the worth of themselves in comparison with other people. It is to be unduly sensitive to criticism and thus to adopt a negative attitude towards others.
Anouvong
QUOTE (sawan @ Dec 11 2010, 02:35 AM) *
I have no doubt about this part. It's the only way to explain their thinking when they tried to say that "Thai" is not "Tai". I can't think of any other better way to explain it.

Lao people never associated themselve with the word "Tai", they've been calling siamese "Tai/Thai" and calling themselve "Lao"

But now it's 21st century, the word Thai/Tai become something in this world and suddenly we started to hear these Yankee trying to be "Tai"

I can't explain it better than this.

But I welcome any other theory. icon_smile.gif


They are still chasing the Tai word. They write it as Tai Vientiane. That's really ridiculous, it should be tai Vientiane, tai with lower case t cuz to the Lao, tai is not a specific name but a common word mean people. Tai Vientiene is not name of ethnic but just mean "people of Vientiane" or Khon Vientiane. They are trying so hard to link themselves with the word TAI. embarassedlaugh.gif

And thanks for remind me that, the Lao also call us as TAI. Their Lao ancestor call Thai/Siamese as Tai since ancient time. beerchug.gif

QUOTE (sawan @ Dec 11 2010, 02:35 AM) *
But for this part, I am really lost.

For many decades, I heard Lao people trying to claim that Isaan people are Lao.

But just recently, I started to hear Yankee Lao in AF denying that Isaan people has nothing to do with their pure Lao blood.

I just can't explain such reaction of these yankees.
Your theory above is one explanation but I think there must be some other reason.

Is it possible that some of them found Isaan accent which is true Lao accent not as what they want Lao to be?

In their imagination, Lao should speak like Lanna. They admire Lanna for their beautiful culture.

So, they start to keep themselve a distant from Isaan people and bind themselve to Lanna people who is far away.

Is this related? I don't know. I need to observe Savan and friends more than this before I can come to the conclusion.

Meanwhile, you may try to purpose other theory to explain it.

This issue is very interesting and need to be investigated. icon_smile.gif


North Lao is similar to Lanna becuz they adopted Lanna culture. These Lao just don't know it. The whole Lanna culture including some of Lanna people and the Emeral Buddha were brought to Lao Lanxang by Lao king Chaisettha. Since then Lao practiced Lanna culuture like Lanna food, Lanna's Buddhism, Lanna alphabets became Lao's Tua Lao script. So today, some of them are similar but they are not same people in the beginning. You can see in the language, Lanna language is very closed to the Tais of Shan, and Lue, not Lao. Lao is more close to Thai (LOL). Lao is just Lannanized people. I think they know that Thai people admire Lanna and Lanna culture. So some of Laotards love to claim Lanna and disown Lao southerners and not interested in the Issan people.

It maybe back to my theory that Lao people are not same people in the beginning cuz LAO is created by the French. The real Lao is just a group of mixed T'ai and Lawa in Luang Prabang. The French made this group to be the core of LAO so they can make all ethnics like Khmu, Puan, T'ais to be one LAO. So it's easy for them to disown others cuz they don't feel they are same people. You can see they are easily fight each others like Lao killed Lao in the past. In the meantime they also love to claim others as LAO, just to make them feel bigger, to reduce their inferiority complex. icon_smile.gif
Udonnome
I m thai and Lao by birth and grew up with Lao people. I notice that Lao people don't have an inferiority complex as bad as Thai people do. Yes I was born in the US and visited both country and from my observation the jek Thai not the normal Thai are very insecure about their appearance they try to at like if they were British or something but sadly to say the UK is Thailand s pimp and Thai try so hard to change their images by mixing their chineseyness with European blood or African blood. Even in the US you can see a Thai from a mile away just by seeing how they react to white people all scared and scrawny afraid to stand up against the white man. When Laos and every Sea Asian country was at war Thailand was quietly hiding behind england for protection and what does England do? Take the Thais to England and pimp them out





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