Just a valid question. Not that I'm advocating such an idea but it seems as though the Japanese are by far the most respected Asian group out there. When people think of the Japanese especially westerners, they think rich country, advanced technology, exciting and vibrant culture as opposed to when they think Chinese, they see a dirt poor, overpopulated, communist country. To be fair, I will admit China was Asia's powerhouse for most of history and my own culture borrowed a good majority from her but that all doesn't matter now. I will say yes, most people do think Japanese are the superior Asians because we were the only Asian country to modernize. Less than a 150 years ago, Japan was an isolated and insignificant land of paddy fields and feudal despots. In the coming century and a half, Japan experienced two miracles, first we became an imperialist power and then after our unfortunate defeat at the hands of the US, we experienced another miracle, we became an economic powerhouse. All within the past 150 years.

In America I'd probably say yes

edit: i should have elaborated. I wouldnt say superior asian, but i'd say superior asian country.

The United Arab Emirates seems to be a country that is leaps and bounds ahead of other Arab nations, so are they superior? even though they are related to other Middle Easterners who have real bad situation. It depends on the circumtances that plaque a country. A smaller, well organized country, can modernize rapidly if they have the commited population that works hard and is collectively intelligent enough to enter professional fields, like in Taiwan, Singapore, UAE, S. Korea and Japan. The difference seems to be that the Japanese beat everyone to this position by imitating the West correctly before everyone else. The situation will change over time when Japan no longer has a "model" to imitate or they can't compete with newer strategies from countries like China.

America? Have you seen South Park? We Japanese have very small...

Japan has had a history of adopting things from foreigners that they see can benefit them and making it work for them.........Very progressive thinking which makes them successful......they are not superior but their overall values and stuff makes them do good......

Japanese Americans have adapted to the ways here and have seen much success in this country also.....

Just a quick question to the resident Japanese troll, but if the Japanese are indeed the superior master Asian race why is it that they borrowed their entirety of their culture from other people? Don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way trying to advocate the exact opposite idea of the Japanese being inferior, I'm just questioning the validity behind your assertion. It just seems illogical for a group of people who supposedly see themselves as superior yet are 100% culturally reliant on others. Also if the Japanese are indeed the "Superior Master Asian Race", they would have been in this position for most of their existence. They would have dominated Asia since the beginning of time, their culture would have shaped the world around them but if we were to study history, we would know that that's not true at all and in fact the exact opposite. Japanese culture itself was under someone else's cultural sphere of influence. If Japan was indeed the "Superior Master Asian Race", why is it that they only rose to prominence less than 150 years ago? (Not to mention their rise to prominence was by simply copying western powers) Why is it that they spent most of their history as an insignificant and unimportant group of islands who were culturally dependent on other great powers? Why is is that they spent most of their history copying others and still do to this day? For a group of people who claim they are supposedly superior to everyone else, they sure played a very small role in major significance as a nation or culture. I know what you're probably going to say in response, "Yeah Japan copied China in the past so what? That was all the past. Nowadays Japan strove ahead". Yes no one can deny that Japan has done quite well for herself in the modern era mostly due to adopting Western influence and yes that argument is more relevant in today's world as we do live in the present day as opposed to the past but either way my argument still strongly stands because in order to truly evaluate the situation, one must take a look at the whole picture and the whole picture will tell you otherwise. Japan has no claims to be superior to anyone. Superior races aren't cultural secondaries to others . And again please don't mistake me for bashing Japanese people or culture, I repeat I'm simply questioning the logic behind your assertions.

I wouldn'st say superior like... political-wise but I would say they are superior like... entertainment-wise.

If you would have to say Superior, It would most likely be the Chinese........They have the world's oldest and purest culture.....yes, Purest.......and they are a powerhouse....

The advantage of the Japanese: They are great copiers and post developers (meaning they can extract a lot mroe out of the original idea). THis makes them somewhat great as students but not great teachers if you know what I mean.

The disadvantage: It's kind of hard to imagine the Japanese to come up with anything of core value or some abstract idea that leads onto a myriad of other designs.

To put it simply, they have probably adapted better than the Chinese and later on, Westerners at their own ideas and plans.

I just have a question, is there anything Japanese NOT somehow inspired by either Chinese or Western ideas?

I dont understand how borrowing things from another culture is a disadvantage. Especially since it doesn't seem to have really hurt them economically. America is pretty much the result of a bunch of cultures influencing the way the government was formed. To me it just seems like an attempt at a cheap shot.

Crazy suicide methods... and Weird @$$ porn.

I don't think they invented crazy suicide methods lol


but I don't think the original poster is japanese anyways so I don't see how he is trolling

and I don't think any asian culture is superior bcuz they all have a lot of different things to offer so as far as one being superior there is no culture anywhere that is....everything has it's pros and cons

Which country has the people with super powers?

^isn't it actually a planet? oh wait it blew up....that's how we ended up with superman

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Well, so far, I haven't seen any Japanese people who can lift a truck or fly. So no, I don't believe they are superior.

An argument over "superiority" can go many different directions. We usually think of one being better than another if we say that it is superior. But then you have to answer the following question of "How so?" When you get to that point, then it can go all sorts of ways.

The simplest way to determine would be to be with numbers or percentages. If one country is superior, then is it superior economically (meaning economic surplus) technologically (most advanced luxuries and amenities), militarily, or are the citizens overall more happy than other countries?

When everything is said and done, I think more people will discuss the topic of which country has the overall (percentage wise) happiest population. But even that is not a clear cut solution because happiness is affected by numerous factors such as: education, wealth, family, and coommunity.

So, there is no clear cut answer to the question of superiority. You can only ask if one is leading another in terms of one thing like wealth (standard of living) or another.

If you can find the answer, then superiority can be established. But this is only in relative terms because even then, you still have to decide and agree on which factors to be more important (which isn't an easy task to do).

well u said japanese...have u then seen anyone that can do this? lol


there is no "superior"

Nope. Therefore Japanese people are the same as every other 1st world countries.

superior NO.
most entertaining. without a doubt.
the chinese are smarter and the koreans are better looking.
TheShadowRanger encompasses all people. Therefore no matter what race is in question, THESHADOWRANGER is the superior one.

yea i wouldn't say superior. they have the most fun though. they got all tha technology and animes ahaha.

i think that japanese are not really "superior" it's just they have in their culture a sense of perfectionism and determination. that is what drive them into better pastures.

Weren't they said to have the shortest average heights?

Yea.....a while back....but now the japanese have seen a significant increase in their average height becuz of higher protein diets introduced by westerners.

If only Vietnam wasn't in the state it was decades ago, then today Vietnam would be some what of Japan today.

The media here in the States have sort of painted an image that Japan is a better us. They have better education, students are smarter, there technology is better, etc. So in most American's point of view, Japan is the superior Asian country. You tell an American that you visited Japan over the Summer and they usually reply with curiosity and intrigue.
"Really? Did they have crazy plasma screens everywhere, and refrigerators that talk to you!?! And samurai! I love samurai movies!"
Tell someone you just visisted South Korea and you usually just get, "Why? I thought they just had rice patties and stuff. It must have been awful for you."
In reality, the countries are semi-similar and even though Japan has a stronger economy, Korea isn't far behind.
And of course it all depends on what you call superior. If it came to war, China could blow all the other Asian countries off the face of the Earth. If it came to performance cars, Japan would blow the others out of the water.

It's all about numbers man...Japan is the second largest economy after America in our present time. My business professor told me how his lectures have changed during the past decade. In the mid 90s, my professor and other professors would be teaching students here (North America) about the economy of Japan and their way of business practices. That was because back then, Japan was the number 1 economy. Man, we adopted the JIT from them (Just In Time)....ain't it cool..saved us Westerners some money on production if applied effectively.

"Hiroshi" is what i think someone talked about in their post...working long hours till they die.

Totally agree with the use of "superiority"...it can be judged many ways..

I think both BrainT and BongNai have a point. Japan is the US’s biggest allay in the East and the media of both country’s usually paints a favorable picture of one another, to keep their relation close. The ideas some American’s have about Japan sometimes seem to go a little bit over aboard though. Japan is not really all that technically advanced than say Korea or China. You’re not going to see flying cars or personal robot maids in Japanese homes. Most people ride bicycles. That should tell you something. Japan’s economy has been struggling the past few years. You don’t really hear about the impacts of this on Japanese society in the US but people there have told me things are not all that good at the moment and people are loosing jobs. Come to think of it, a lot of the views Americans have about Japan and the Japanese seem to be way off. 2

Personally I do like Japan a lot, for my own personal reasons. But it’s just like most other countries, it has its ups and downs.

All racist things aside, arent the Koreans like what - equivalent to 1 CHinese province (both by size AND population)? It's much easier to develop if you're a smaller nation?



This is inaccurate:

1. Japan in terms of consumer electronics is way superior than Korea and China (even if the latter two's technological efforts were combined). A lot of the electronics these two countries produce are all original Japanese/Western designs/innovations - tft lcd, plasma (well, Samsung is winning some patents over Fujitsu but thats besides my point), dvd, cars, you name it.

Militarily, I'd think China since they're an enemy of most superpowers and they'd need to "protect" themselves. Also, I think Japan did agree not to develop nuclear equipment and warheads after WWII or something with America so they could get economic assistance from the US boys. Space wise, I think China is also ahead, but once again this is the "I want to be one of the BIG BOYS" syndrome.

Both Korea and more so, China started way after Japan in consumer electronics and the heavy manufacturing industries. Mitsubish and Toyota have been around for at least a decade whilst Koreans are roughly 50 to 80 years and Chinese probably 30 years max (after Mao's death).

2. Riding bicycles is a way to cut down emissions AND due to the smaller size of Japan physically, it's more convienient and economical to do so. Biking in say America or Australia is downright dangerous (due to too many cars) and no economical because the way the cities are planned out and developed. The Dutch and a lot of Scandanavian's population ride bikes due to smaller cities, economy adn reducing emissions. If Japan was the size of America or China or Russia then it would definitely use cars more often.

3. The Japanese economy is so large that losing 0.1 or even 5% of the total GDP is nothing. The average Japanese earns something like $30,000 USD per annum, so 5% is nothing. Plus, you have to be careful when using statistical evidence and intrepreting it, note that a lot of the decrease is due to shifting manufacting offshore (mainly to China), in essence, they lose a bit of money, but the profits are still reaped in by Japanese firms and not China. For example, Sony produces stuff in China, that is counted in the Chinese GDP and not Japanese but in reality, the money still flows back to Japan since Sony is a Japanese company.

Finally, note that Japan has been in a recession hole for almost TEN YEARS yet the avg Japanese is still bloody well off (even compared to Western standards). Why? Because the avg rate they decrease by is small relatively to their economy, PLUS they still have so much $$ to develop stuff, its not like its gonna be replaced by China or Korea technolgically within the next 10 years and here is a brief intro into why:

1. China: Not exactly Uncle Sam's bosom buddy not the EU, so they'll nail down these companies before they get too big. Furthermore, their budgets are like a drop of a coin in the R&D spending Western and Japanese firms do. They also statrted much later than the Japanese in R&D and dont really have the core technologies to work off.

2. Korea: Not as big as Japan population wise so they lack the talent pool and adequete engineers. A large chunk of their economy is still controlled by the very politically alinged big 3 conglomorates - Hyundai, Samsung and LG. The Japanese have way more than 3 players (these are perhaps the only 3 well known Korean brands internationally) - Japanese companies have a whole of "players" in most fields and are still recognised as better than Korean quality wise - slipping in some areas but I dare say the average American would prefer a Toyota over a Hyundai. Furthermore, apart from Samsung - no other Korean companies sets standards or is a considered a "big boy company", go through most consortiums and it's mostly Japanese, American and European companies who hold the rights to royalty payments.

Not dissing, but it's the truth.

I wouldnt say Japan - but somewhat a Korea or Taiwan or inbetween. Even if South Vietnam had taken the same path as these two, it would likely end up as a modern Korea because its roughly the size of South Korea population wise. Taiwan's way too small to do anything major in any front.

Inaccurate? I thought of it more as an opinion. Anyway for this argument let's go ahead and claim what you said was accurate well at least some of it.



People may say Japan puts out a superior product but I think that’s more of an opinion in most cases. Personally I do think Samsung makes a lot of good products. I can’t say much about Chinese products because I live in the US but I can’t imagine their products to be that far behind Japan’s. But that’s really besides the point because whether the technology of China or Korea is as you say some kind of Japanese or Western imitation they do pretty much have the same things that they do in Japan, tft, lc, plasma, dvd, cars, etc. Correct?



"I want to be one of the BIG BOYS syndrome.” I got nothing to say. I don’t even know what to say that.







I see your point. Personally I would rather ride a bicycle to work myself as well. But you can’t say that bicycle is much of an advance technology these days can you? And that was my point.



Losing 5% maybe alright one year if you could recover the next year but to continue to do so over a number of years, that would be a major problem definitely not something to ignore.

As for $30,000 per year I guess that’s not bad. Hell a lot of people from other countries may never get to see that in their lifetime. But hold up, before the rest of you pack your bags for Japan in hopes of living ghetto fabulous “you have to be careful when using statistical evidence and interpreting it”. Japan is one of the most expensive places to live in the world. $30,000 may be enough to get you by even if you live in Tokyo, that is if you’re a bachelor and if you don’t mind a little less bling. $30,000 for a family of 4 I’m not saying you couldn’t make it but your @$$ would be living more ghetto than fabulous. Now remember the men are still primarily the bread winners in Japan and once the first child is born most mothers become house wives.

As for the Japanese firms that setup shop in other countries, I would imagine that the “big heads” of those companies do rake in so much profit off the top from the cheap labor. It sure would be nice to be one of those few executives making all that cash but on the other hand it would have to suck to be one of the thousands of Japanese workers who lost their job because their company upped and moved to another country.



See this is what I meant when I said people’s idea of Japanese sometimes goes a little bit over board. How much money do you think Japan has? Excuse me I shouldn’t laugh. Like I said before, when I was talking to people in Japan about the economy’s current situation none of them seemed to be laughing about it at all. Here are just some of the companies that claimed bankruptcy well within the last ten years: Hokkaido Takushoku Bank, Yamaichi Securities, Sanyo Securities, Tokuyo City Bank. Incase you didn’t know these all are very large banks in Japan, Hokkaido Takushoku and Yanaichi both being among the top 10 before they went under. The last time I check the Japanese national debt was topping 700 trillion yen! :shocked: That’s like 150% of the entire worth of the Japanese economy! :jawdrop: There is no way the government can let the economy continue on like this for another 10 years. That would be insane. They would go from being the richest nation in Asia to being one of the poorest in Asia in no time.



All racist things aside I wouldn’t say Korea lacking of talent nor adequate engineers. I wouldn’t go so far as to count the Korean economy out either, they have made great strides in their economy over the years and that’s without US holding their hands most of the way. But I have to admit I sort of do agree. I don’t really see their economy surpassing Japan’s (well what it is right now) within the next 10 years because in a lot of ways their economy is tied to Japan and China may eventually snuff them out.

China, that’s right. Now here is an Asian country that definitely has a chance to pass Japan in the next ten years. If you don’t know what I’m talking about I have to ask where have you been? China’s economy has been shooting up like a rocket compared to the rest of Asia. People aren’t talking about them just passing up the number two economy (Japan) they’re saying they could eventually be making a run for number one as well. The US hasn’t been helping China out in the past but that definitely hasn’t stopped China’s economy from becoming the fastest growing economy in recent years. Now I’m not saying it’s gonna happen but who knows in the next ten years or so US companies may be saying “ni hao” to China and “sayonara” to Japan.



Again, I'll say it personally I like Japan and I don't mean to be dissing either but it's the truth.

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That's weird. I would've thought that the Chinese were considered the "superior" Asian race. After all, there are more Chinese abroad who have worked actively to promote Chinese culture. It may seem insignificant, but the word "Chinese", or anything associated with it (such as "Chinese food", "feng shui", "tai chi", etc.) seem to be more popular.

What I don't get is why the Japanese would continue to insist on placing Europe and Europeans at a higher pedestrial, when it's clear that your average German, French (esp. the French), and Italians have little to no regard for Japan. It's like liking the king's boot, only to get booted back.

Sorry but keep dreamin buddy any asian nation can be great, thats a fact, we are all living proof, we havnt been exterminated from the face of the planet have we? when the rest of the world thinks of us Chinese as the "niggas" of the east, all i can say is, they are scared of us, have contempt because they know of what a dirt poor, down trodden nation can do so much as to make them scared $hitless in just 50 years. America has been a rich nation for sometime without conflict and yet their progress in comparison to us or other countries like Korea and Japan or even Vietnam is jack$hit. thank you

Peace

with reply to Musashino's post, yer i totally agree. Although i do have some shortcommings with being nice to Japanese people, (only me, dont start attacking the rest of my people please) i do beleive we should see past our differences. i dont understand why Japan likes europe so much but perhaps its because they never felt the boot of western imperialism. (americans r not europeans) so learn from your neighbours, we should also learn from your people, there is no shame in learning from one another, afterall thats how progress begins right? and Japan has progressed much under outside influence (dont blame us for weakening your people with our culture etc, because thats not valid, if you wernt geographically close to us, who can you blame for you weaknesses to outsiders?)

Peace, ill try to be more friendlier
Mr.Tree

I want to say first and foremost that its 2004 and were quickly heading into 2005 so I think anybody that still hates becuz of colour is beyond ignorant. Regarding this topic about who the most superior/dominant asian country is I think there are some more areas to look at before making any conclusions. I think this thread should also be looked at from a friendly point of view becuz I don't think any of us would want other people to get the wrong idea based on our opinions. First of all Im 100% Chinese and proud of it so obviously if you ask me of course Im gonna say its China and I expect anybody else here wheather it be Japanese or Vietnamese to shout out their own countries its just pride. I like to say Ive never had any personal beef with any culture but I will be the first to admit I have always been competitive with the japanese and god bless you guys for sushi cuz lord knows I love it. Theirs a difference with being competitive and looking for trouble, being brought up in a traditional household my parents would tell me stories of our relatives that served in the war against the japanese so I just developed a natural competitiveness with them. Lets not fool ourselves China should be looked at as most dominant becuz were the ones that are blowing up not expanding but we are BLOWING UP economically as a powerhouse and in power. We have 1.3 billion chinese people whats that like 50 chinese people for every japanese person, plus anybody thats famous in hollywood thats asian is CHINESE: Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Kelly Hu, Lucy Liu, Chow yun Fat, and Jin. I heard somebody said that japanese leads all asian countires in entertainment which I think is a bunch of crap. Japanese don't lead at all what hollywood is doing is just taking japanese movies like Ringu, and The Grudge and just made it into their own. Is that your idea of leading asian country in entertainment ahh no. Look at the NBA Yao ming (Chinese) were talking about somebody who beat out Shaq last year in the allstar game to be in the starting five on the western squad thats pretty damn good. First asian rapper to get signed to a major record label (CHINESE). Japanese is #1 when it comes to technology hands down but if your going to rank them number 1 just becuz of that then I think its just pure BS. Whenever people want asian food the first thing they think of is chinese, and the occasional japanese. Unlike the japanese we have more restaurants more grocery stores were more famous who here has ever heard of Japanese town NO ONE its CHINA TOWN and every asian shops at chinese grocery stores becuz we have more businessess set up. Shaolin Arts which is an ancient form of chinese martial arts is on the top 5 list of most effective. Everybody loves our women, loves our culture, and how many of you have seen whites blacks spanish even indians get tattoos of chinese characters. A prime example of that is the nba and the nfl look at all the athletes that have chinese characters. Look at Jet Li I like to see china and japan settle this feud once and for all with a martial arts competitiion with our best fighters Bruce Lee and Jet Li against the japanese fighters whoever they may be. Look at rap music Umm excuse me WU-TANG thats a chinese name the 36 chambers was completely inspired by chinese culture and what about that song everybody loves kung fu fighting. Im pissed when I see people saying that well if Japan had the population we had they be in our position fu-k THAT. Success of a country isn't based on the number of people they have its based on what every person contributes to making there country prosperous. So i think that people that usees that lame reason to attribute to chinas up and coming future success is not giving us enough credit for what we've done. Tiger woods is Thai so big ups to the thai people for that I personally think hes the best golfer that has ever lived. Matsui, and Ichiro both great baseball players and both japanese so props to you on that. To me i don't think there should even be a question as to who the most domiant is or will continue to be. My parents have always felt that the two other countries that could possibly compete with China is The U.S and Russia, a good example of this is in the olympics that just took place in Athens Greece not to long ago where The U.S, Russia, and China numbered out the top three in the medal count. Was Japan even on the top ten? So any of you that think were just a dud think again Im not just here spouting $hit and making up $hit I have facts to back it up and I also have the honor to shout out countries that are respected and great but for those that can't admit China is the most powerful check your history books and read to see what they say about us in our development of a country and compare it to any other asian countries. Im not saying that other countries are inferior but when it comes to whos more famous, more stronger, more raw, and more hungry its US. Japan is number 2 PERIOD....

yeah very wierd porn, "Bukake"

i am not from japan, but i am currently in japan, and i love it here, i would deffenately say that they are superior asian country.

ofcourse we are

Quit it fu-kin troll.. I just took a look at your post record.. You're just building some post space for some serious trolling.. There is someone who use to do this.. I wonder if it's you.

i agreeing to kenkade7 post....is that against the rule?

You have a point. Racially, no race/ethnic group should be superior to any other. But at the moment, Japan's status in the international community is higher than that of other Asian countries. China's status is rising, though. But I still think it's going to take quite some time before ours would surpass that of Japan's.

hehe Atleast I'm seeing you in action so I know who you are the next time you do some serious trolling..
shamless.. claiming Chinese looks for Cambodians..

are you ashamed of cambodian?..do you look down on them?
if not then why are you offended whn i say they look cambodian. i think you're a troll

shut up retard.. you're sad

personal attack? isnt that what troll do?well i guess you are one

arent you that kid who made those retarded @$$ "ask a black dude" threads

i am not from korea, but i am currently in korea, and i love it here, i would definately say Korea is MY favorite choice. Let's see what the New York times has to say:

New York Times Travel

Why Go Now
by Andrew Yang

Because Seoul is the new Tokyo. With Seoul's proximity to Beijing and Tokyo (both less than two hours away by air), this city of about 10 million is becoming the focal point of transportation and business in northern Asia. Think of it as a capital with the culture and excitement of Tokyo, but less hectic and easier on the pocketbook. It was host to the 1988 Summer Olympics, and is becoming more international and cosmopolitan.

The commercial conglomerates of Seoul, like Samsung and SK Telecom, have kept the city enriched with a healthy diet of skyscrapers and world-class cultural institutions. Everywhere you look design-centered museums, art galleries, restaurants, bars and boutique hotels are thriving.


The article goes on.....but as anyone who has spent some time in Seoul can tell you, it's a hell of a lot of fun. Superior.......? Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I've enjoyed my stay here better than my stay in Tokyo. It's also the food for me. Korean food actually seems to have flavor and spice, one thing I found lacking in Japanese foods.. And Korean style sushi is sooooo much better. They just keep the dishes coming and coming and coming for at least an hour or so (depending on where you go). But hey, Just my opinion.