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Understanding right to religious freedom

Harison Citrawan, Jakarta | Fri, 02/25/2011 11:00 AM | Opinion


Attacks on Ahmadis in Cikeusik, Banten, and on three churches in Temanggung in Central Java a few weeks ago have once again sparked public debate. Subsequently, the debate leads the nation to a crossroad on whether or not Ahmadiyah should be banned.

In my view, this can actually serve as momentum for us to enhance a progressive discourse on human rights now that the government is working on the bill on religious harmony. Thus, this article attempts to construe the idea of religious freedom from a human rights point of view, particularly concerning the two problematic issues of limitations of such freedom and the concept of proselytism.

Article 18 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights mentions that: (1) Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching; (2) No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.

I would like to emphasize the state’s protection of individual’s freedom of religion. Nevertheless, on some occasions many Indonesians mix up the terms of religious tolerance and religious freedom.

It appears that when we tolerate one’s religion along with his/her religious activities, it demonstrates the degree of freedom of religion; and vice versa, the degree of tolerance depends on how free people are to hold and practice their religions. But, in my view both terms differ fundamentally from one another.

Religious freedom is a legal right. The Human Rights Committee in its General Comment on Article 18 elaborates such freedom as “the freedom to manifest religion or belief [that] may be exercised ‘either individually or in community with others and in public or private’.”

The concept of worship extends to ritual and ceremonial acts giving direct expression to belief, as well as various practices integral to such acts, including the building of places of worship, the use of ritual formulae and objects, the display of symbols, and the observance of holidays and days of rest.

In addition, the practice and teaching of religion or belief includes acts integral to the conduct by religious groups of their basic affairs, such as the freedom to choose their religious leaders, priests and teachers, the freedom to establish seminaries or religious schools and the freedom to prepare and distribute religious texts or publications.

This interpretation should be quite clear to implement and certainly Indonesia could adopt this authoritative interpretation made by the Committee as the Covenant has been enacted into national law in 2005.

Nevertheless, on the other side, religious tolerance signifies the acceptance of differing views of people in religious matters. Such concept of toleration emerges mostly in a religious authority state, and further it presupposes preferential treatment of a predominant religious group.

Thus, it is also worth noting that the law preserves individual freedom, not individual tolerance, to a different view or faith. In many religious violence cases around the country, it seems that the state merely preserves the predominant religious group’s toleration; hence all religions are not equal.

With the law enforcement officers reluctant to prosecute perpetrators of the violence, predominant religious group toleration would likely prevail over individual freedom.

Second is the issue of proselytism. I would base the argument from a liberal democracy perspective which provides freedom to all individuals to a marketplace of ideas. Freedom of thought, opinion and religion are to be put on one bucket list of ideas and the human rights law indeed protects individuals to exercise such freedom.

It is interesting to highlight a debate in the case of Kokkinakis v. Greece (1993) in the European Court of Human Rights. In this case, the claimant defended proselytism by stating that “religion was part of the ‘constantly renewable flow of human thought’” and it was impossible to conceive of its being excluded from public debate.

From the court’s assessment I conclude that there should be a distinction between bearing witness and improper proselytism. The former relates to true evangelism and is likely to be inherent to some major religions, and the latter refers to the form of activities offering material or social advantages with a view to gaining new members for a congregation or exerting improper pressure on people in distress or in need; it may even entail the use of violence or brainwashing.

In addition, Judge Pettiti in his concurring opinion went even further by mentioning that freedom of religion and conscience certainly entails accepting proselytism; a believer must be able to communicate his faith and beliefs in the religious sphere as in the philosophical sphere. He also mentioned that the only limits to the exercise of this right are “those dictated by respect for the rights of others where there is an attempt to coerce the person into consenting or to use manipulative techniques”.

The use of violence in proselytism is clearly not covered under freedom of religion, but proselytism per se cannot be regarded as a direct infringement of one’s right. Moreover, the mere discussion of religion, or to try to convince one’s neighbor about his belief by “proper” means are not contrary to the current human rights law regime.

An important aspect of these legal reasonings conveyed above is that the state has to assess the existence of possible interference in an individual’s right to freedom of religion upon two considerations: first, the maintenance of public safety, order or morals or importantly the fundamental rights and freedoms of others, and second, such interference should be proportionate to the
legitimate aim necessary in a democratic society.

These two assessments consequently require the current government to define or to set criteria of religious freedom and adjust the bill on religious harmony to make it in line with the international human rights law.

It appears that in many aspects, the current bill is unlikely in accordance with the freedom protected in international human rights rules conveyed above, particularly concerning the issue of the limits of religious practice and proselytism.

Finally, as we still lack positive development of human rights — both in terms of system and practice — in construing the right to religious freedom the government and lawmakers may also have to take several human rights practices in well-established democracies into account.


In many religious violence cases around the country, it seems that the state merely preserves the predominant religious group’s toleration.

The writer is an alumnus of Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, the Netherlands
elleX0
Firstly, who are the signatories to the UN "Universal Declaration of Human Rights - 1948"? Is Indonesia a signatory, is Pakistan, is Syria, Iran? You cannot impose this declaration on nations who do not accept this declaration. Article 18 states:
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Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.


Most people simply take for granted when we speak of Human Rights all of us refer to the 1948 Act above. Well, there is another act less known to most people:

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Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights
WHEREAS the human rights decreed by the Divine Law aim at conferring dignity and honour on mankind and are designed to eliminate oppression and injustice;
I) Right to Life

a) Human life is sacred and inviolable and every effort shall be made to protect it. In particular no one shall be exposed to injury or death, except under the authority of the Law.

II) Right to Freedom

a) Man is born free. No inroads shall be made on his right to liberty except under the authority and in due process of the Law.

III) Right to Equality and Prohibition Against Impermissible Discrimination

a) All persons are equal before the Law and are entitled to equal opportunities and protection of the Law.
IV) Right to Justice

a) Every person has the right to be treated in accordance with the Law, and only in accordance with the Law.
XII) Right to Freedom of Belief, Thought and Speech

a) Every person has the right to express his thoughts and beliefs so long as he remains within the limits prescribed by the Law. No one, however, is entitled to disseminate falsehood or to circulate reports which may outrage public decency, or to indulge in slander, innuendo or to cast defamatory aspersions on other persons.
e) No one shall hold in contempt or ridicule the religious beliefs of others or incite public hostility against them; respect for the religious feelings of others is obligatory on all Muslims.
XIII) Right to Freedom of Religion

Every person has the right to freedom of conscience and worship in accordance with his religious beliefs.

Explanatory Notes

1 In the above formulation of Human Rights, unless the context provides otherwise:

a) the term 'person' refers to both the male and female sexes.

b) THE TERM "LAW" DENOTES THE "SHARI'AH, i.e., THE TOTALITY OF ORDINANCES DERIVED FROM THE QUR'AN AND THE SUNNAH AND ANY OTHER LAWS THAT ARE DEDUCED FROM THESE TWO SOURCES BY METHODS CONSIDERED VALID IN ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE.

2 Each one of the Human Rights enunciated in this declaration carries a corresponding duty.

3 In the exercise and enjoyment of the rights referred to above every person shall be subject only to such limitations as are enjoined by the Law for the purpose of securing the due recognition of, and respect for, the rights and the freedom of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare of the Community (Ummah).

The Arabic text of this Declaration is the original.


I believe that we could be speaking at cross purposes and so we must be clear what we are referring to. The Islamic Declaration of Human Rights is based on the Sharia Laws, unlike the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.Therefore we are discussing rights of the Freedoms of choice in respect of Sharia Laws which has quite a different meaning to most of us.
chutzpah
Elle, I think you hit the nail on its head. The Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights must be viewed and understood from the Sharia perspective just as all matters pertaining to Islam. Even though it appears to have similar values to the Universal one, it is quite different when it is practised in accordance to the Sharia. I think this is what you mean by cross purposes? I also believe many Muslims do not fully understand this and are often confused the two.
elleX0
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Mar 4 2011, 03:01 PM) *
Elle, I think you hit the nail on its head. The Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights must be viewed and understood from the Sharia perspective just as all matters pertaining to Islam. Even though it appears to have similar values to the Universal one, it is quite different when it is practised in accordance to the Sharia. I think this is what you mean by cross purposes? I also believe many Muslims do not fully understand this and are often confused the two.

chutzpah, I am willing to bet that 99.999% Europeans when they speak of "Human Rights" have no idea that there is a "Islamic ?Declaration of Human Rights" which you have rightly pointed out is based entirely on and conforming to the Islamic Sharia Laws. Both declarations are therefore not the same thing. And this is what I mean when I say we are talking at cross purposes.

In fact, I see the "UN Declaration of Human Rights" as rights based on "western values" and does not take into consideration other cultures and their values. This is why I cannot see that it is "universal" because it is often used to "demonise" nations the west does not like and want to humiliate. Also it does not help nation states either. It tends to take away the sovereignty of nation states like "immigration issues" in Europe that is controlled by Brussels against the interests of nation states, i.e., you cannot deport a murderer to the country of his origin because his country practice the "death Penalty" and so his life might (I said might) be at risk. What rubbish?
chutzpah
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Mar 6 2011, 09:13 AM) *
chutzpah, I am willing to bet that 99.999% Europeans when they speak of "Human Rights" have no idea that there is a "Islamic ?Declaration of Human Rights" which you have rightly pointed out is based entirely on conforming to the Islamic Sharia Laws. Both are not the same thing. And this is what I mean when I say we are talking at cross purposes.

In fact, I see the "UN Declaration of Human Rights" as rights based on "western values" and does not take into consideration other cultures and their values. This is why I cannot see that it is "universal" because it is often used to "demonise" nations the west does not like and want to humiliate. Also it does not help nation states either. It tends to take away the sovereignty of nation states like "immigration issues" in Europe that is controlled by Brussels against the interests of nation states, i.e., you cannot deport a murderer to the country of his origin because his country practice the "death Penalty" and so his life might (I said might) be at risk. What rubbish?

Well said and I can not agree with you more. There are too many evils done in the name of this so called UN-DHR which have caused countless sufferings everywhere. Just look at the current possible US involvement in Libya in support of the demonstrators/anti Ghadaffi forces, sigh..... The US is the most aggressive and war mongering nation on earth. I have never before encountered such glorification of war as whenever I visit Washington DC. The glorification of war is mind boggling.
elleX0
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Mar 9 2011, 03:33 AM) *
Well said and I can not agree with you more. There are too many evils done in the name of this so called UN-DHR which have caused countless sufferings everywhere. Just look at the current possible US involvement in Libya in support of the demonstrators/anti Ghadaffi forces, sigh..... The US is the most aggressive and war mongering nation on earth. I have never before encountered such glorification of war as whenever I visit Washington DC. The glorification of war is mind boggling.


Although I agree that America has not yet realised that she cannot tell the world how to "suck eggs" she is learning the hard way. By practicing McCarthism on every nation that will not bow down to the Great America, she has had to maintain the largest air force, the largest navy, the largest atomic war heads, in the world. But rich as America might be there is a limit to armaments spending, and taking from the nation taxes to pay for it, or as America has done borrow to pay for the defence system. Now America owes Billions that I cannot see how she can pay off in the next 3 generations even if she started to tighten her belts today. As a result of this debt, pay back time must come some time. It is going to be painful and people will have to tighten their belts, and aircraft carriers will have to be scrapped, and navies reduced. Then will she be the most powerful nation on earth? Will the empire lose its shine?

Everything that goes wrong in the UN is not necessarily the work of America. Remember the Arabs have many members who can influence the decisions in the UN. Also the EU also tend to suck up to the Arabs and many declarations may have been due to such manipulations. For example, the Declaration of Human Rights seem to have benefited the Arabs more than any other nations that I know of. How? Why? When? and that is a long story to be discussed another day. The Declaration seem to be used mostly against Russia and China, and perhaps Colonel Gadaffi because he has fallen out of grace. But there is no question that many of the resolutions in the UN favours America.
chutzpah
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Mar 11 2011, 04:00 PM) *
Everything that goes wrong in the UN is not necessarily the work of America. Remember the Arabs have many members who can influence the decisions in the UN. Also the EU also tend to suck up to the Arabs and many declarations may have been due to such manipulations. For example, the Declaration of Human Rights seem to have benefited the Arabs more than any other nations that I know of. How? Why? When? and that is a long story to be discussed another day. The Declaration seem to be used mostly against Russia and China, and perhaps Colonel Gadaffi because he has fallen out of grace. But there is no question that many of the resolutions in the UN favours America.


Yes the demonizing of China and Russia to a lesser extent continues unabated with the US in particular and the UK leading the charge. The manipulation of the US from within by Islamic group is already happening. It is interesting to see where all these will lead to eventually .

It is interesting to note of the US' hypocisy when it comes to Saudi Arabia where human right is a very foreign concept, freedom of religion, including the right to assemble publically and public demonstration is a big no no. But when it comes to China the US responds very differently citing human right abuses etc etc ad nauseum. Don't get me wrong, I adore the US culture and its contribution to the world, but I despise its meddling foreign policy.
elleX0
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Mar 12 2011, 02:51 AM) *
Yes the demonizing of China and Russia to a lesser extent continues unabated with the US in particular and the UK leading the charge. The manipulation of the US from within by Islamic group is already happening. It is interesting to see where all these will lead to eventually .

It is interesting to note of the US' hypocisy when it comes to Saudi Arabia where human right is a very foreign concept, freedom of religion, including the right to assemble publically and public demonstration is a big no no. But when it comes to China the US responds very differently citing human right abuses etc etc ad nauseum. Don't get me wrong, I adore the US culture and its contribution to the world, but I despise its meddling foreign policy.

It is all to do with "funding." CIA receives Congress's funding if they can prove there is an enemy they have to fight or subterfuge. Without demons, the funding will dry up. It is as simple as that.
chutzpah
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Mar 12 2011, 05:26 AM) *
It is all to do with "funding." CIA receives Congress's funding if they can prove there is an enemy they have to fight or subterfuge. Without demons, the funding will dry up. It is as simple as that.


Yep, and another it must also benefit America greatly, otherwise congress will be most reluctant to approve funding. We see the replay time and again, Irag, Afghanistan it's all about oil, the same goes for the extended tolerance or should I say total blindness to Saudi Arabia.
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