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elleX0
As promised here is a summary of the article I promised:
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Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Myths - SUMMARY
This is a brief summary of the two main articles in this Group for convenience. The full extent and references to source is given in the 2 articles
(1) Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Myths - pt 1
(2) Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Myths - pt 2
Contents
Summary Part 1
Summary Part 11
OPINION:
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We start by assuming that not all readers are familiar with either Islam of Ahmadiyya sect and therefore have included references taken for granted by those who are involved with either. In order to be accurate, we have to quote extensively to avoid accusations of bigotry. Also all sources are provided so that anyone may further their own studies with such references. The main reason for these essays is to put to rest claims and counter claims as to whether the statements were correct or authentic because this sect has raised many contradictory issues. We will attempt to stick to the main issues. One of the main issues is, "Has the Ahmadiyya sect been unfairly demonised and persecuted?" This depends on how each person perceives whether any religious codes or doctrines have been violated or whether blasphemy has been committed. It is for each to pass their own judgement based on whether they accept the facts here or not. This is why a thorough understanding of Islam and Ahmadiyya sect is necessary to make such a judgement. We only expose the facts here. And this is mostly confined to the writings of the founder of the Ahmadiyya sect, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. The main article is in two parts.

Summary Part 1

(1) This section begins by Hazrat Mirza's, a Muslim, copious writings as testimonial of the loyalty of his family, his grandfather, his father and then his own close relationship with the British Raj and how he intended that he would continue to mutually support the British rule in India especially against Islamic Jihad. The incentive was expectations of generous rewards from the Raj. This clearly establishes the mercenary aspects of Hazrat Mirza's schemes.

(2) In order to draw Islamists away from attacking the Raj, Mirza realised that his only hope was to influence the Jihadists through religious beliefs, i.e., Islam itself.

(3) Mazrat Mirza set about to destroy "Jihad," and the only way possible was to "abrogate Jihad." He thus began to write many books in several Eastern languages to "abrogate Jihad."

(4) Mirza realised that "no earthly man" according to Islamic traditions, had the authority to alter or "abrogate the verses in the Quran." Only Prophets with the approval of Allah had this authority. But the Prophet Muhammad foresaw this and so,
Qur'an 33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but He is the Messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets.
To get around this hurdle, it would be necessary for Hazrat Mirza to manipulate the interpretation of the Quran (Allah's words.) This is where he crossed the boundaries of Islamic acceptance. But Mirza was imaginative and bold and was willing to face the challenges.
Summary Part 11
(5) Determined, Mirza had to elevate himself to be a Prophet of Allah so that he had the authority to abrogate the Quran. And he did this in a cunning way by first implying that he was a Mahdi and a Messiah and then later extends it to claim he was born as an reincarnation of the Prophet Muhammad. And thus Hazrat Mirza has replaced the Prophet Muhammad as "THE SEAL OF THE PROPHETS." He had no other alternative as failure was not an option for this self opinionated man. At first he created the impression that he was a Prophet who was not a Law giving Prophet (like Prophet Muhammad) but one who brought fresh interpretations of the Quran. But as he gained confidence, he promoted himself as equal in stature with the Prophet Muhammad and then even superior to the Prophet Muhammad. These are all referred to in detail in part 11. Mirza declared that those who did not accept him, Mirza, as a Prophet of Allah was not a Muslim.
(6) From an orthodox Islamic point of view:
a. Hazrat Mirza introduced new 19th century Islamic Laws by breaking the Law of the Seal of the Prophets, and elevating himself, by his own declaration that he was a Prophet. Not only that, that he as a reincarnation of the Prophet Muhammad and thus Mirza was , in fact, "the Seal of the Prophets."
b. As a result of his elevation as a Prophet, the "Shahada" or the "Qadiani Kalima" laws of the centuries had to be altered to accommodate the new Prophet, Mirza.
c. That Hazrat Mirza, introduced a new law because he "abrogated the 164 verses in the Quran relating to Jihad."
d. Hazrat Mirza also introduced a new 19th Century law that states, "Any Muslim who does not accept that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not a Prophet (of Allah) is not of the Fold of Islam. i.e., Non-Ahmadis are non-Muslims.
For details and references to Hazrat Mirza's writings:
(1) Part I: Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Myths
(2) Part II: Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Myths

OPINION:
Hazrat Mirza and his family had a good relationship with the British Raj and both parties benefited from this. Hazrat Mirza therefore wanted to continue this relationship for personal gain and was prepared to use his influence to convince the other Muslims of the benefit of such a rule. Mazrat Mirza was just a Muslim "opportunist" who was seeking favours in return for his loyalty to the Raj. At this early stage, there was no "spiritual call from Allah for his prophet hood." It was a call out of necessity and of his own creation.

Mirza realised that the driving force of Muslims against any foreign army or government was Islamic Jihad and he began to find ways to lead orthodox Muslims from following this conviction. He soon realised that the only way to effectively do this was through Islam itself. He had to abrogate Jihad in the Quran. For "abrogation" to be acceptable to any Muslim, he realised that only Prophet Muhammad had ever abrogated the Quran, and thus he set about to lay the ground work to achieve this. He had to become a "prophet himself" acceptable to the Muslim scholars. Hazrat Mirza's call to prophet hood was one of his own creation and invention without any intervention from Allah. He was a self-made prophet through manipulation of the Islamic traditions.

By his self elevation to a Prophet, and by manipulating the Quran and the Hadiths, he corrupted orthodox Islam. The article will show the manipulations and distortions Hazrat Mirza invented through his writings. But each reader may come to varying conclusions. Those are mine. So followers of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community sect have been misled by their founder on many essential issues of Islamic principles and are ignorant of the true writings of Hazrat Mirza.





Writings of Hazrat Mirza
chutzpah
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Feb 25 2011, 06:39 AM) *
As promised here is a summary of the article I promised:





Writings of Hazrat Mirza

Thanks for posting the above. I didn't know the Ahmadiyyah sect was founded on political expediency, how very interesting. I now understand why they are being persecuted and killed with the tacit approval of the Indon government. I still think the Ahmadiyyahs have the right to exist and to practise their version of Islam, no matter how heretical it is.

If Mirza's purpose was to abrogate the jihadist part of the Koran, then perhaps it was not at all a bad idea regardless of his motive. For most of the 'jihadist' verses or references to jihad espouse extreme violence and have caused so much pain and sufferings to millions since the advance of Islam, until today. The latest being the butchering of the new Pakistani minister for the minorities who also happened to be a Christian because he carried on the work of his predecessor who was also slaughtered for trying to ament the blasphemy law. Tampering with the Koranic verses which the Sharia law is based on is tantamount to blasphemy.

Talk about abrogation of the Koranic verses, many Islamic scholars are of the opinion that the later more violent verses abgrogate earlier more peaceful ones because the Koran says so. Anyway thanks again to posting about the Amadiyya sect. Good work Elle.
elleX0
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Mar 4 2011, 06:40 AM) *
Thanks for posting the above. I didn't know the Ahmadiyyah sect was founded on political expediency, how very interesting. I now understand why they are being persecuted and killed with the tacit approval of the Indon government. I still think the Ahmadiyyahs have the right to exist and to practise their version of Islam, no matter how heretical it is.

If Mirza's purpose was to abrogate the jihadist part of the Koran, then perhaps it was not at all a bad idea regardless of his motive. For most of the 'jihadist' verses or references to jihad espouse extreme violence and have caused so much pain and sufferings to millions since the advance of Islam, until today. The latest being the butchering of the new Pakistani minister for the minorities who also happened to be a Christian because he carried on the work of his predecessor who was also slaughtered for trying to ament the blasphemy law. Tampering with the Koranic verses which the Sharia law is based on is tantamount to blasphemy.

Talk about abrogation of the Koranic verses, many Islamic scholars are of the opinion that the later more violent verses abgrogate earlier more peaceful ones because the Koran says so. Anyway thanks again to posting about the Amadiyya sect. Good work Elle.

Chutzpah, thank you for your positive comments. The article was produced after many hours, days, of painstaking research, and composing. It certainly touches on many issues that are not known to Muslims and also to their own members of the Ahmadiyya clan. But they are extracts from the writings of their founder and indisputable.

The Ahmadiyyas have claimed themselves to be Muslims, and insulted Muslims by claiming that if they to not accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as their prophet they are no longer Muslims. Surely this is an insult that cannot be tolerated. If the Ahmadis kept all this to themselves, and say this is strictly an Ahmadi belief, it is one thing, but to hijack all of Islam and disrespectfully corrupt the Qur'an is an entirely another thing. Surely if someone insulted your mother or your wife you would want to kill him. But surely insulting your god is even more serious and is labelled as blasphemy.

Yes, abrogating Jihad benefits everyone, but it is violating the Qur'an that is at issue. No one has the authority to abrogate the Qur'an except Allah or his appointed prophet. This is also blasphemous.

The article also clearly shows that all Hazrat Mirza's actions has been for selfish and personal gain. He was certainly NO PROPHET. So he was lying and conning people, and Muslims do not like to be lied to about their Allah.

jrockerz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahore_Ahmadiyya_Movement

some other ahmadiyya branch
elleX0
QUOTE (jrockerz @ Mar 6 2011, 04:46 PM) *

jrockerz, the Lahori Ahmadiyya Movement began as part of the same movement but split into a separate movements and the Lahoris only accorded Hazrat Mirza as a reformer and not a prophet. That is the main difference. I did not want to complicate the issue. So even within the Ahmadis there are differences of doctrine.
chutzpah
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Mar 6 2011, 09:30 AM) *
Chutzpah, thank you for your positive comments. The article was produced after many hours, days, of painstaking research, and composing. It certainly touches on many issues that are not known to Muslims and also to their own members of the Ahmadiyya clan. But they are extracts from the writings of their founder and indisputable.

The Ahmadiyyas have claimed themselves to be Muslims, and insulted Muslims by claiming that if they to not accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as their prophet they are no longer Muslims. Surely this is an insult that cannot be tolerated. If the Ahmadis kept all this to themselves, and say this is strictly an Ahmadi belief, it is one thing, but to hijack all of Islam and disrespectfully corrupt the Qur'an is an entirely another thing. Surely if someone insulted your mother or your wife you would want to kill him. But surely insulting your god is even more serious and is labelled as blasphemy. Yes, abrogating Jihad benefits everyone, but it is violating the Qur'an that is at issue. No one has the authority to abrogate the Qur'an except Allah or his appointed prophet. This is also blasphemous.

The article also clearly shows that all Hazrat Mirza's actions has been for selfish and personal gain. He was certainly NO PROPHET. So he was lying and conning people, and Muslims do not like to be lied to about their Allah.

You are right. It is a great insult and the height of blasphemy. However I also think that if the Ahmadis do not insist and keep their belief to themselves then they are not following the teaching of the Koran and are not good Muslims, so it is rather like a catch 22 situation.
elleX0
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Mar 9 2011, 03:25 AM) *
You are right. It is a great insult and the height of blasphemy. However I also think that if the Ahmadis do not insist and keep their belief to themselves then they are not following the teaching of the Koran and are not good Muslims, so it is rather like a catch 22 situation.


chutzpah, It is because the Ahmadis identified themselves as "Muslims" that has created the insults and blasphemy. But then if they called themselves anything else they would have lost the purpose of Hazrat Mirza attempting to influence "Muslims" to submit and be loyal to the Raj.

Because Ahmadis claimed to have rejected aggressive "Jihad" the only other avenue for them was to promote "oral, verbal, or literary Jihad by proselytising Islam." And that was what they did. But by so doing then were encroaching on the territory of orthodox Islam and this causes resentment.

Like you said, it was like catch 22, either way they were going to build up resentment among orthodox Islam.
chutzpah
More on the Indon Ahmadis


Family ‘repents’ from following Ahmadiyah teachings in Bogor
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/03...ings-bogor.html

We are officially part of Islam, says Ahmadiyah
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/02...-ahmadiyah.html

Police say Ahmadiyah sect members provoke locals
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/02...oke-locals.html

Chief detective says Ahmadis partly to blame for lynching
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/03...e-lynching.html
elleX0
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Mar 15 2011, 07:10 AM) *
More on the Indon Ahmadis


Family ‘repents’ from following Ahmadiyah teachings in Bogor
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/03...ings-bogor.html

We are officially part of Islam, says Ahmadiyah
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/02...-ahmadiyah.html

Police say Ahmadiyah sect members provoke locals
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/02...oke-locals.html

Chief detective says Ahmadis partly to blame for lynching
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/03...e-lynching.html


(1) States:"A family whose members were previously part of Jemaah Ahmadiyah Indonesia declared that they were returning to mainstream Islam after undergoing a program organized by the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI).

A small minority of Ahmadis appear to be practical human beings and will blow with the wind.

(2) States: "Ahmadiyah spokesman Ahmad Mubarik says authorities must not force Ahmadis to leave Islam because they are part of the religion."

But Ahmadis are heretic and have been ousted as "non-Muslims" by orthodox Muslim governments. So Indinesian Ahmadis still cannot be introspective enough. There will be more bloodshed.

(3) States: "“We [Police] have asked them [the Ahmadiyah followers] to leave but they refused. They said that they would fight until the last blood should police fail to protect them,” said Alex as quoted by MetroTV.
Alex said that the tension between the two groups had heightened since Saturday when the locals mobbed the house suspected to become a place of worship for the Ahmadiyah followers."

It would seem that the Ahmadis believe that they are Muslims and have been unjustly targeted. Trouble ahead.

(4) States:"“We [Police] have asked them [the Ahmadiyah followers] to leave but they refused. They said that they would fight until the last blood should police fail to protect them,” said Alex as quoted by MetroTV.
Alex said that the tension between the two groups had heightened since Saturday when the locals mobbed the house suspected to become a place of worship for the Ahmadiyah followers.
"You gentlemen should not be troubled. If you can no longer guard me, just leave. I will hang on until my last drop of blood," Deden said as quoted by Ito.

Ito also revealed several names of suspects linked to the attack that left three Ahmadis dead and several others injured. "

It is apparent that Indonesian Ahmadis do not realise why their beliefs are not acceptable to orthodox Islam. This is out of ignorance and brain washing.

It is obvious that many people have fixed ideas about their own faiths and do not know what the other faiths believe, and this could create serious conflicts. A lot of these misunderstandings are due to ignorance of the causes of the resentment or the causes of the religious divide. I have written at lengths about the Ahmadi doctrines to illustrate the deviations.
chutzpah
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Mar 17 2011, 04:40 AM) *
It is obvious that many people have fixed ideas about their own faiths and do not know what the other faiths believe, and this could create serious conflicts. A lot of these misunderstandings are due to ignorance of the causes of the resentment or the causes of the religious divide. I have written at lengths about the Ahmadi doctrines to illustrate the deviations.


Quite right, there are sects in every faith and the most apparent of all is Christianity with over 50,000 sects in Protestanism alone. So Islam is no different except the Koran does not tolerate heresy and the punishment is death.
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